Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #33 Sat, 7 Apr 01 00:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: XP = eXPerimental ("Chad Myers")
Re: Communism ("billh")
Re: Communism (Roberto Alsina)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
Re: Entry-level *ix positions?? (Chad Everett)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("JS PL")
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("JS PL")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("WGAF")
Re: Entry-level *ix positions?? (Donn Miller)
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:56:55 GMT
"Shun Yan Cheung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9alru9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9al6fp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> The Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >X-rated Porn?
>
> Are there any non-X-rated Porn ? :-)
www.furnitureporn.com
Purely G rated, except for the language, maybe.
-c
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 02:14:25 GMT
"Roberto Alsina"
> >Roberto, your immature responses are starting to bore. Are you 15 or so?
> >You talk that way. One last time, if you want to discuss with adults,
act
> >like one. If you want to act like aaron I"ll killfile you too.
>
> Well, I am unable to act as a gun nut, so I'm safe from that.
LOL!!! If you think Roger is again nut, you are seriously mistaken.
Again, your assumptions are getting the better of you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: 7 Apr 2001 02:17:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Roberto Alsina"
>
>> >Roberto, your immature responses are starting to bore. Are you 15 or so?
>> >You talk that way. One last time, if you want to discuss with adults,
>act
>> >like one. If you want to act like aaron I"ll killfile you too.
>>
>> Well, I am unable to act as a gun nut, so I'm safe from that.
>
>LOL!!! If you think Roger is again nut, you are seriously mistaken.
>Again, your assumptions are getting the better of you.
Hmmm... ok. Let's go piece by piece.
Roger said "If you want to act like AARON I'l killfile you".
Then I said "I am unable to act as a GUN NUT".
Now, think real hard, check what's in uppercase in both pieces,
and try to rub two braincells together to see if there is a spark.
--
Roberto Alsina (wondering if this is the reading level of the
average US citizen)
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 02:24:36 GMT
"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Roberto Alsina"
> >
> >> >100 times more likely? Where do you get your stats or is this just an
> >> >ignorant, emotional statement?
> >>
> >> Well, I answered that in another post. It's an extremeley conservative
> >> number.
> >
> >You have still failed to answer the question at hand. Where did you get
> >your statistics?
>
> Well, did you read the other post? You know, the one where the answer
> is? Not this one, the other one. Yes that one. Good boy!
No answer, huh?
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 02:25:24 GMT
"Roberto Alsina"
> His politics are obvious from his posts.
> He claims to be in the army.
No he does not. Again you assume much too much. It has been sometime since
Roger has been in the Army.
> Do you know many men who hate guns and join the army?
Yes, I know several soldiers that support strong gun control.
>
> >> Those men went to an academy sponsored by your employer.
> >
> >LOL!!! You don't even know who Roger's employer is. Again you assume
too
> >much.
>
> IIRC, he claims to be in the US armed forces?
You remember and assume incorrectly.
I may be confusing him with
> someone else, though.
>
> >> I see a connection. Apparently you don't.
> >
> >You see little. You assume much.
>
> Could be.
No doubt.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 7 Apr 2001 02:27:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Roberto Alsina"
>> >
>> >> >100 times more likely? Where do you get your stats or is this just an
>> >> >ignorant, emotional statement?
>> >>
>> >> Well, I answered that in another post. It's an extremeley conservative
>> >> number.
>> >
>> >You have still failed to answer the question at hand. Where did you get
>> >your statistics?
>>
>> Well, did you read the other post? You know, the one where the answer
>> is? Not this one, the other one. Yes that one. Good boy!
>
>No answer, huh?
Just unwillingness to repeat myself.
If you really really want it, check google, they have a nifty search feature.
Or, if you have a decent newsreader, search for it.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 7 Apr 2001 02:30:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Roberto Alsina"
>
>> His politics are obvious from his posts.
>> He claims to be in the army.
>
>No he does not. Again you assume much too much. It has been sometime since
>Roger has been in the Army.
>
>> Do you know many men who hate guns and join the army?
>
>Yes, I know several soldiers that support strong gun control.
several != many. "support gun control" != "hate guns".
Man, you are really not a bright bulb.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 02:33:00 GMT
"Roberto Alsina"
> Just unwillingness to repeat myself.
> If you really really want it, check google, they have a nifty search
feature.
Since you prefer to assume so much. I'll simply assume your unwillingness
to again answer means your use of these "sources" are as lacking as your
other use of other sources.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 7 Apr 2001 02:37:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Roberto Alsina"
>
>> Just unwillingness to repeat myself.
>> If you really really want it, check google, they have a nifty search
>feature.
>
>Since you prefer to assume so much. I'll simply assume your unwillingness
>to again answer means your use of these "sources" are as lacking as your
>other use of other sources.
Assume all you want, please. I don't give a flying fuck what an illiterate
dweeb assumes.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:28:18 -0400
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> hmm 2 days and yet no reply. I guess "JS PL" has realised how stupid
his/her
> comments were, and has now set off to make up a new alias. Sounds very
> familiar to Claire Lynn/Flatfish/Jeff (care to add more).
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > I'm still trying to understand the connection "JS PL" and "Peter Ammon"
are
> > trying to make. Microsoft are giving away a product for free, plan and
> > simple. I simply pointed out that it was the was the case, and that I
felt
> > that it was double standards on Microsofts part. Even if you could run
in on
> > the desktop version of Windows, would anyone seriously consider it? I
have
> > actually set it up to stream a piece of media accross my lan at home, so
it
> > is possible to do it on Windows 2000 Pro.
> >
> > Also, the follow up articles. So, if a piece of software is written for
> > more than one platform, and it is given away, it is evil, however, if it
has
> > been written for only one OS, and that OS just so happened to be written
by
> > Microsoft, then it is perfectly acceptable? thats the logic our good
friends
> > "JS PL" and Peter Ammon" subscribe to.
Is there something in here that deserves a follow up? The steaming media
server costs about $1000.00. You can call it free till your blue in the
face. It's $1000 because you only get it with Windows2000 Server and up.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Entry-level *ix positions??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 6 Apr 2001 21:24:53 -0600
Mr. Kulkis' scheme is perfectly doable. For example:
My newsreader is slrn on a linux box. It is a "console" based newsreader and
needs very little bandwidth between the user and slrn. I could easily dial-in to
my home machine using a 56K modem and comfortably run slrn to read and post
if my dial-in home machine was also connected to a newsserver over a cable modem
DSL line, or other network type connection (heck even a second modem doing PPP).
I have easily modified my "X-mailer:" entry in this message (check it out) to
exactly match that of Mr. Kulkis'. I am actually posting this message with
slrn on a linux box and I am accessing the linux box remotely.
After this post, I'll be reverting back to my normal headers.
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>>
>> WesTralia wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > And once you get your UNIX network all setup be sure to change the
>> > X-Mailer header string in your news reader. This will give you firewall
>> > like security if you ever surf the net from your new network. Also,
>> > once you get your UNIX sys admin job, remember to never use the web
>> > browser on the local machine at work.
>>
>> Not *POSTING* USENET NEWS from a client's machine != never browsing from
>> a client's machine.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>
>Oh! It helps, it helps a lot! Your story is so muddled that I cannot
>believe that you are still clinging on to it.
>
>
>
>
>> > Always use a modem to dial-up
>> > your (remote) home machine and then do a remote login. Once you
>> > are logged in you can pull up your web browser across the slow modem
>> > connection from the remote machine to your local machine at work.
>>
>> Usenet news activity doesn't require a high speed connection.
>> 9600 bits/second is quite sufficient.
>>
>
>Netscape across a 9600 modem! You are a riot!
>
>
>
>
>> > The reason you wnat to do this is for security! Remember that your
>> > news reader at home has the X-Mailer string changed so as to provide
>> > you with security when surfing the net.
>>
>> What OS am I running?
>> What newsreader am I using?
>>
>
>This is too easy!
>
>1. Windows 98
>2. Netscape for Windows 98 news reader
>
>
>> >
>> > Are you getting any of this?
>> >
>>
>> Yeah...you don't understand the first thing about camoflauge.
>>
>
>You poor little fleeb. You have been OUTED! LOL!!! LUSER!
>
>
>
>
>
>--
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From: "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:36:31 -0400
"Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:24:04 -0400, "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom> wrote:
>
> >
> >Yeah right. You meant download from your CDROM drive. Excuse me...I need
to
> >download a program from my D drive.
> >
> >You don't think anyone is dumb enough to believe your "I meant download
from
> >my cd" bullshit do you?
> >
> >In case you actually DONT know the correct way to use the term "download"
> >here you go:
> >
> ><paste>
> > download v : transfer a file or program from a central computer to a
> >smaller computer or to a computer at a remote location [ant: upload]
> >Source: WordNet � 1.6, � 1997 Princeton University
> ></paste>
> >
> Thanks for pointing that out. I believe I had mentioned, if not in my
> original post on this thread, at least in some other thread on ADM is
> that I am not a programmer, just a user. A very frustrated MS user.
>
> Now, why are you still trying to obfuscate? The original point was
> that I, a non programmer, was able to troubleshoot a video card
> without throwing away the video card because I installed IE. BTW, how
> much did you pay for the Viper550? I understand they were going for
> about $150 in early 99.
>
> Try to shift the thread as much as you want, you still haven't
> answered the question. Why did you throw away a perfectly good $150
> video card (at the time) rather than do a simple amount of research to
> find the solution to the problem for free? You spent more time
> looking up the word "download" off of wordnet, so you are obviously
> not as stupid as your previous posts indicate.
Who threw it away? It runs inside the Windows 98 (first edition) machine
across the room just fine. I believe I said I swapped it out with a known
good card. But you can go back and look it up to make sure.
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From: "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:42:55 -0400
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS PL wrote:
> >
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9afpfd$ot0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:9afjn4$hud$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "JS PL" <jspl@jsplom> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > > What product did you "buy" that adds IE5 to their DOWNLOAD????
I've
> > > > never
> > > > > > seen any company tack on a 60 meg file that's available for free
> > > > elsewhere
> > > > > > anyway!! What company is adding an un-necessary 60mb or so file
to
> > > their
> > > > > > product download? Hmmm....That's very interesting.
You_did_"buy"_it,
> > > > > didn't
> > > > > > you??
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry to burst your bubble, but I just happened to go to this
page:
> > > > > http://www.aonix.com/Products/CSDS/oa.win.free2.html
> > > > > a.. Full Special Edition (77 MB)
> > > > > Includes all Core and Help files plus Internet Explorer and Sun
Java
> > > > > Development Kit (JDK).
> > > >
> > > > And what about this??
> > > > "Please note that the Permissions/Copyright Group will not grant
special
> > > > permission rights to redistribute Microsoft Internet Explorer
(and/or
> > any
> > > > components thereof)."
> > > > at:
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/permission/copyrgt/cop-soft.htm#IE
> > > >
> > > > dang, foiled again?
> > >
> > > Then how can magazines distribue it on CDs? And ISPs?
> >
> > I haven't seen that happening since early in the existence of IE4. IE is
now
> > built in to Windows, why does an ISP have to distribute it these days?
The
> > Alan guy was attempting to fib and got caught. He didn't buy any
software
> > which included IE in the download. He got caught and has now taken the
smart
> > course of shutting the fuck up. End of story.
> >
> > The company in the link you posted is most likely breaking the law, but
I
> > would have to see the EULA of the browser they are distributing to prove
it.
>
> You appear to be in the misapprehension that a license agreement you
> have with Microsoft has the same scope as a law of the country. Nothing
> refrains Microsoft from making different arrangements with different
> customers.
Your kidding. Really??
>You can't distribute the copy of IE you've got, because of
> your license agreement, but this doesn't mean anything about how other
> licenses will read.
You appear to have not read the part where I wrote that the company is most
likely breaking the law but someone would have to download the browser from
their site and view the license to prove it.
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From: "WGAF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 03:45:47 GMT
"Salvador Peralta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9aldeb$4ad$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > The "basically equal terms" part is arguable at best. KDE still
> > requires more computer knowledge from the average end users,
>
> I don't think you can justify that statement. KDE's UI is very
> similar to Windows. it just happens to come with more applications
> and a browser that is better designed and better integrated with
> other applications on the desktop ( eg choice of customizable image
> editing tools, choice of text editors, more customizable
> configuration options, better facilities for viewing compressed
> documents without requiring a full decompression, etc. )
In some respect you're right, KDE can lock up as much as Windows :). Yes, I
know that one can just telnet, or if it's not available use the "F2,3,4"
keys and kill KDE from there. However, I disagree with your conclusion about
the better integration with applications. One can't even copy/paste between
application. Just because KDE looks like Windows it doesn't mean it acts
like one in lot of respects.
> > more than most of them willing to learn when alternate OSes with
> > less knowledge requirements are easy to come by.
>
> While it is true that Linux is more powerful than windows in terms of
> its shell and has a much larger selection of command-line
> applications, one need not ever use a shell to get as much or more
> functionality out of the box than the "typical" end user has in
> windows.
>From the tipical end users perspective it doesn't really matter what the OS
is. Most of them don't know it anyway. Nonetheless they get more usability
out of Windows or more concisely from the applications running on Windows.
Take for example the MS Office. Sure, there's Linux variants of office
application, but they are far from being as usable as Office. Not to mention
the fact that some of the applications don't even exist on the Linux
platform, there are lots of games, 10 zillion different text editor with
little or no relation to each other. Not to mention all of the interesting
looking apps what Linux has. You'd have hard time naming some commercial
grade application for Linux. Even if you do, they won't be free.
> There should be little to no learning curve for someone to convert
> from Windows to KDE if all they intend to do is use applications
> within the gui.
Provided that KDE could provide the same applications as Windows does, which
it can't do.
>
> > Couple this with
> > lack of quality software, support,
>
> Linux comes out of the box with more software and generally higher
> quality software than windows. There really is no comparison in that
> arena. The profit model of microsoft and its partners is largely
> based on limiting the number and quality of applications it provides
> for free with the os.
And even if they do provide free software with the OS, MS is called names
and accused of monopoly. Go figure...
>
> > and the end user has no reason
> > to change his/her desktop system at the moment.
>
> The justification is simple: Linux is hands down better than
> windows9x, and at worst, comparable to NT and its variants without
> the associated costs and endless upgrade cycle.
Linux is about 3 years away from Windows 2000. Since 90+% of people use some
form of Windows, one could say that people voted with they wallet. You can
dice it whichever way you wanted, but you can't deny that fact.
>
> Again, for anyone interested in a system with a long product
> lifecycle and low total cost of ownership, linux is a much better
> alternative than windows. For example, a few weeks ago I upgraded my
> desktop environment and every application in it without rebooting.
> All at zero cost.
And I have only Windows 2000 in my home network, 6 PCs in all. I do use
Linux on one of my laptop for auditing purposes and I learned on the hardway
not to upgrade to the "newest" Linux. Case in point, Mandrake 7.0 installs
on the laptop just fine, 7.1 on the other hand doesn't. Although the
installation runs through just fine, however, after rebooting the machine it
stops at accessing the hard drive and just sits there. The Caldera 2.3 also
runs just fine on my other laptop. Installing the 2.4 kernel preview edition
hosed that laptop. Yes, I should've stayed with my previous versions but
isn't the 2.4 kernel suppose to support more hardware? One of my laptops
isn't even old, I've got it lass than a year ego.
>
> Never mind the fact that it is also more stable, secure, and comes
> out of the box with a much more robust suite of applications.
You're kidding, right?
> Moreover, Linux is improving faster than windows and is supported on
> more architectures than windows.
It is easier to improve something on the lower level...
> > That maybe true, however, it isn't as clear cut as you seem to
> > suggest. There are other factors which need to be considered when
> > one picks an OS. One of them is the available resources to handle
> > such a system and the other is the end user's knowledge base. One'd
> > need a much wider availability of Linux admins and users before one
> > can even think of using Linux platform.
>
> I'm not so sure. A graphical interface is a graphical interface.
> And KDE's happens to be very windows-like specifically to eliminate
> the "end users will need to be retrained" objection.
With everything being equal, which isn't IMHO, the lack of applications is
still a hurdle what Linux needs to take.
> Since linux has traditionally drawn its user base from a more
> technically literate cohort than windows does, and because Unix
> skills are Unix skills whether your particular Unix system is
> PC-based or mainframe based, there is actually a very high number of
> competent administrators relative to a platform like windows where a
> person can spend thousands learning how to plug values into wizards
> that change every few months without getting grounded in the
> underlying principles of the systems they are learning to configure.
> they'll have an MCSE ( or whatever it is called these days ), but
> will they be able to help their end users ( without costly retraining
> ) when the next flavor of windows hits the street?
Be careful here, the wizards started to show up in Linux also to ease the
administration and installation of applications and the OS in itself.
>
> I'm a programmer/administrator, not a technician, and don't even own
> a copy of windows yet I know more about windows networking, and
> security, than most any of the PC techs in our company's employ. And
> these are competent, trained indiciduals. Their knowledgebase just
> happens to be limited by the environment they use.
And if I tell you that being an NT admin and had to explain to Unix admin
that he can not telnet to Solaris 2.7 as root user, what does it tell you?
There are bad admins and there are good ones. Count your blessings if you
happen to work with good ones only.
>
> Moreover, because there is zero cost of entry to learn linux
> programming or administration, and because the system is better
> documented, and has grown within a culture of cooperation and
> collaboration, it is easier to become grounded in the basics of linux
> faster than windows. This ignores the straight economics of the
> situation: Pay hundreds or thousands for windows programming tools
> and administration environments plus thousands more for training or
> pay $8 including shipping to cheapbytes for the same types of tools
> and learn how to read your manpages.
You mean those manpages which start at year 1900? But you're right, it is
not easy to read the Linux manuals and one needs to learn how to read them
first.
>
> > There has been some progress
> > in that area, nonetheless it still can't compete with the other OSes
> > admin and user support base as of yet.
>
> Garbage. Linux has a much more robust support network than any other
> OS in existence. It is also better documented than windows or *any*
> other flavor of unix. It is easier to find information on how to
> handle administrative chores. Indeed, the system itself comes with a
> much more complete library of documentation than any other system in
> existence.
That's bs at its best. Those documentations are written with competent Linux
users in mind which makes it harder for a newbie to learn Linux.
> > And NT remained the #1 server OS in the market, gaining about 6%.
> > Most of the Linux' gains came at the expense of Unix and Novell
> > platform and not NT.
>
> Again, you don't seem to understand how the differences in licensing
> schew the numbers. microsoft's draconian licensing policy basically
> guarantees a 1 to 1 relationship between licenses shipped and systems
> deployed. Most linux installations do not involve licensed
> distributions. My own case is a perfect example of this: 0
> licenses, 9 systems deployed.
I understand more about MS licensing than I care to disclose. Furthermore,
lately Linux functionality is getting licensed and cost money too. Yes, the
base OS is still free but there are signs that a robust Linux system will
cost as much as NT.
> > The numbers for this years growth contradict your statement. Linux
> > seems to slowed down so far this year.
>
> We won't really know much of anything until IDC releases their 2000
> reports sometime near the end of this year. What I do know is that
> Apache usage is up another 1.25% in January and IIS is down 1.76% and
> that Apache is extending its lead over IIS in terms of support for
> the kinds of things that I look for ( eg. servlets, jsp's, xml/xsl
> support, mod_perl, php, etc. )
That's a whole other argument and we don't go there...
>
> I also take issue with your statistics on desktop usage. IDC had
> linux at 4% of the desktop market last year and as the fastest
> growing desktop platform in the marketplace. The 1% statistic that
> you cite is based on web traffic from a very limited selection of web
> sites, ignores the fact that IE sends 2 requests instead of 1 when it
> requests a remote URL, and ignores the fact that most browsers
> available on Linux allow their users to specify their own value for
> http user agent.
It is a lot easier to grow from less than a single digit to couple of digits
vs. growing 90+%, agreed?
> > I disagree with your norm for IT professionals. Then again, it
> > depends which circle one moves. I'm working with NT and that seems
> > more like a norm now days.
>
> I think you misunderstood my comment. My point is that most IT
> professionals that use Linux will tend to build multiple systems off
> of a single source CD or multiple systems without even a single
> licensed copy.
I completely misunderstood your previous comment.
> As for NT, while I agree that there are more NT systems deployed,
That sentence seems to contradict your previous claims...
> but
> the quality of skillset for people trained on NT is, in my
> experience, much lower than people trained on Unix. Windows is
> designed to keep people ignorant about what their system is up to.
> this is no less true for "programmers" and adminsitrators than it is
> for end users.
Your perspective is just that, I have different experiences with NT admins.
Although that depends what level we're talking about. And there's the year
2001 factor, an OS suppose to make life easier not harder. Even Linux
realized this and trying to make it easier for the admins and end users to
use the OS. Even traditionally CLI only devices, like routers, load
balancers, and firewalls are giving the end user the choice to use GUI. And
that's how it should be.
Otto
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:48:30 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Entry-level *ix positions??
Chad Everett wrote:
sily modified my "X-mailer:" entry in this message (check it out) to
> exactly match that of Mr. Kulkis'. I am actually posting this message with
> slrn on a linux box and I am accessing the linux box remotely.
But, there are other headers which are Messenger-specific, such as:
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
Aaron's headers also contain these. Now, all you'd ahve to prove is
that it's possible to change the "X-mailer:" entry on any version of
Messenger.
Sorry, I don't buy it; I say he's running Messenger on Win 98 until
someone shows me it's possible to imitate those other entries.
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