Linux-Advocacy Digest #453, Volume #33 Sun, 8 Apr 01 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro (Peter Hayes)
Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... (GreyCloud)
Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates... (GreyCloud)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (GreyCloud)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (GreyCloud)
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:08:31 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:42:44 -0500, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Rick wrote:
<hypersnip>
> > > Um, MacOS runs on Macintosh. It is a hardware/software combo, at least
> >
> > That's what I said. See the line I underlined with "^^^^^^^^" above.
> >
>
> You STILL dont get it. It is a combo. A combo. Like buying a Ford with a
> Ford engine, or a Motorola radio with motorola chips/software, or any
> vendors cell phone with that models particular features. I hardly think
> it is an obsolete product since it is now using a large amount of BSD
> for its software engine, AND not too long ago one of its models was the
> best single selling mode in the world. If you dont want the product dont
> buy it, but quit bitching about it.
Name any company (other than Apple) that independently manufacturers and
sells Apple motherboards, cases, etc.
>
>
> > > for now. When will you recognize that and quit bitching about it? Apps
> > > for Macintosh run on, um Macintosh.
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > >
> > > Now tell me what non x86 or x86 clone amchines Windows runs on. Or
> > > Solaris.
> >
> > Solaris runs on Sparc and on x86. Maybe more.
> >
> > Besides, Solaris is merely ONE member of the Unix family.
> > If you want, you can go to Sun's website and download Solaris for x86.
> >
> > http://www.sun.com/solaris/downloads.html
> >
>
> You forgot to tell me what non-x86 or non-x86 clones WIndows works on.
NT4 ran on x86 and Alpha.
But that's a smokescreen question because there are many many companies
designing and building x86 based hardware. It's a very competitive market,
many trees have been felled to fuel the advertising alone.
There is only one company manufacturing and selling Apple machines. There
is only one company manufacturing Apple operating systems. Substituting
OS X for Window$ would drive users into the grasping maw of a company that
would have been just as predatory as Microsoft had they taken the chances
offered to them instead of sueing all and sundry.
Peter
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates...
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:13:02 -0500
"Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:N__z6.56894
> This article presents the usual incorrect
> picture of the OSS movement as somesort of
> 'corporation' or 'business' whose goal is
> to compete in the marketplace:
You didn't actually READ the article, did you? You probably skimmed it and
assumed it was just what you claim. In fact, the author addresses your
point by stating quite accurately that your comment ignores the fact that
OSS is only moving at its current rapid pace because the key players are
being paid by corporations.
> "To stay competitive, open-source companies and
> communities must do a better job of courting a
> group for whom they seem to have little
> understanding or respect. Ironically, it's a
> group they should know very well."
>
> Natually, with this incorrect mental picture
> of the OSS movement, it is easy to suggest
> that OSS will fail because it has no organized
> marketing department, no armies of PHBs, no
> telemarketers, no advertising deparment, no
> human resources management layer, or other
> bogosities irrelevant to loose groups of
> volunteers who do what they do because they
> find it interesting.
This isn't an incorrect picture. If Linux is to stay competitive, is the
key phrase. If you don't care if it's competitive or not, fine. But many
people, probably most do.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:29:39 GMT
On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 12:46:01 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mathew wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>
>> > Mathew wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > "Scott D. Erb" wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Alex Chaihorsky wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > "Scott D. Erb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > However, I suspect Marx would be spinning in
>> > > > > > > > his grave to see his ideas associated with Stalin or Mao. Ideological
>> > > > > > > > development is complex.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I have to address this before I address anything else, because I think
>this
>> > > > > > > is pivotal.
>> > > > > > > Marx was a monster. If you read Manifesto you will find:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Marx was naive. He believed that if you got rid of capitalism you could
>have complete
>> > > > > liberty, the state would whither away, you would end exploitation. He was
>motivated
>> > > > > by the industrial slums, and how horrid the workers were paid. He wanted
>the workers
>> > > > > to rise up against that, and believed if they did they could collectively
>control the
>> > > > > means of production and everyone would be better off.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > And yet, you still promote the policies based on the theories of this
>> > > > man WHO YOU HAVE JUST ADMITTED was a fool.
>> > >
>> > > And you promoted dealing with a totalitarian facist fundamentalist Iran.
>> > > Now tell me how you are not a Commuinist?
>> >
>> > Iran is fascist now....
>>
>> They have been fascist since the Ayatollah took over,but also a bit
>> under the Shah.
>
>Iran has a socialist, vertically integrated economy.
and yer fucking nuts.
and that is beyond any doubt.
>
>If not, then it ain't fascist.
fascism has nothing to do with socialism fuckhead. Fascism is based on
corporate rule and capatilism.
>
>Merely being a non-Communist police state doesn't make a government "fascist"
>hope the helps, marxist bastard.
>
>>
>> >
>> > Must be some new definition of fascist with which the rest of the
>> > English-speaking is unfamiliar.
>> >
>> > Or by "fascist" do you merely mean "non-Communist"
>>
>> You should know what fascist means.
>
>Yeah, it's right-wing socialism, characterized by vertical integration
>of the industrial sector.
there is no such thing as right wing socialism dumb fuck
>
>Since Iran doesn't even have an industrial sector worth noting,
>it fails the test.
the hell it doesn't have an industrial sector
>
>That doesn't mean that it's not a police state...it's merely
>a police state that *ISN'T* fascist.
its fascist get over it stupid.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > He was wrong. Dead wrong. Tragically wrong. But there is no way Marx or
>Engels (and
>> > > > > I've read a lot of their private writings, including a lot of Engels stuff
>in the
>> > > > > original German) would have ever supported the kind of brutal tactics of a
>Stalin, Mao
>> > > > > or Pol Pot.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > And yet, you still push for the kinds of policies which can ONLY be
>> > > > successfully implemented by a Stalin, Mao, or Pol P
>> > >
>> > > > Why is that?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > 1. Complete liquidation of private property
>> > > > > > > 2. Liquidation of the family, introduction of "official, open mutual
>> > > > > > > ownership of wives"
>> > > > > > > 3. Children taken from families are brought up by community (Hillary,
>> > > > > > > hello!)
>> > > > > > > 4. Industrial armies, not employer - employee, (and that is from the
>guy who
>> > > > > > > LOVES proletariat!)
>> > > > > > > 5. Central credit by central banks with total banking monopoly for the
>> > > > > > > State.
>> > > > > > > 6. Age when children start working - 9 years of age (Resolution of
>Geneva
>> > > > > > > International Congress).
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > If this is not the most monstrous document in the history of the
>> > > > > > > civilization, please, state which one is.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > This system was implemented four times almost totally - in Hitler's
>> > > > > > > concentration camps, Stalin's GULAG and Mao's re-educational
>settlements and
>> > > > > > > Pol Pots' Cambodia camps.
>> > > > > > > Partially - USSR, Red China, Vietnam, North Korea.
>> > > > > > > Superficially - Poland, E. Germany, Hungary, Mongolia, Czeckoslovakia
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Why would Marx be spiining other than out of excitment?
>> > > > > > > Typical (I hate this word) socialist attitude - they all have aberrated
>> > > > > > > Marx. NO! THEY DIDN'T!
>> > > > > > > All socialists remain civilized untill they seize the power. Then the
>> > > > > > > Marxist bestiary begins.
>> > > > > > > EVERY TIME.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Marx was fantasizing about what he thought would lead to a utopia. He was
>wrong. He
>> > > > > thought the state would whither away, it didn't. His goal was to end
>alienation and
>> > > > > create perfect liberty, his ideas did not lead that direction. His errors
>were
>> > > > > typical of 19th century social science (over-determination, bad
>predictions), and
>> > > > > ultimately the errors in his theories helped lead to the kinds of horror you
>> > > > > describe. But to demonize Marx personally because of that is simply
>misguided, and of
>> > > > > course irrelevant.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > At the very least now Social Democrats and most leftists recognize that the
>vision of
>> > > > > "scientific socialism" espoused by Lenin and the Communists was not only
>wrong, but
>> > > > > evil in its actions. Social Democracy does not lead to the kind of evil
>you
>> > > > > describe. Sweden has no gulags, Norway is not run like Pol Pot's China.
>You're
>> > > > > overstating your case. The danger comes not from Marx, but from any
>attempt to
>> > > > > centralize power to try to shape society without that power being
>accountable to the
>> > > > > people. Marx was dead wrong not to understand or realize that, but I am
>convinced
>> > > > > that he and Engels personally would have been appalled by what later was
>done in their
>> > > > > name. Their theory was a failure, but to demonize them is simply silly.
>> > > > > cheers, scott
>> > > > > http://violet.umf.maine.edu/~erb/
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
>> > > > Unix Systems Engineer
>> >
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates...
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:14:58 -0700
WGAF wrote:
>
> Luckily for Linux, there are people who can see behind the hype.....
>
> http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/01/12/index3a.html
The article was written by another WinTroll. All too easy to spot.
Take another look at the XP. Looks like a dead emoticon with its tongue
hanging out.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Read this clueless Linux advocates...
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:16:08 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:N__z6.56894
> > This article presents the usual incorrect
> > picture of the OSS movement as somesort of
> > 'corporation' or 'business' whose goal is
> > to compete in the marketplace:
>
> You didn't actually READ the article, did you? You probably skimmed it and
> assumed it was just what you claim. In fact, the author addresses your
> point by stating quite accurately that your comment ignores the fact that
> OSS is only moving at its current rapid pace because the key players are
> being paid by corporations.
>
> > "To stay competitive, open-source companies and
> > communities must do a better job of courting a
> > group for whom they seem to have little
> > understanding or respect. Ironically, it's a
> > group they should know very well."
> >
> > Natually, with this incorrect mental picture
> > of the OSS movement, it is easy to suggest
> > that OSS will fail because it has no organized
> > marketing department, no armies of PHBs, no
> > telemarketers, no advertising deparment, no
> > human resources management layer, or other
> > bogosities irrelevant to loose groups of
> > volunteers who do what they do because they
> > find it interesting.
>
> This isn't an incorrect picture. If Linux is to stay competitive, is the
> key phrase. If you don't care if it's competitive or not, fine. But many
> people, probably most do.
Just written by another Moron thats a sucker for more glitz! He was
raised watching TVs' Madison Avenue garbage.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:22:07 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Anonymous
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:30:34 -0600
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Anything with a command line is easier to learn, of course, because it
> >> is simpler
> >
> >i just wanted to see that again
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> There are advantages to the command line, but ease of learning
> is not among them (though it depends in part on the complexity
> thereof, the design of the GUI, and to a large part on the
> documentation available using 'man' or 'info').
>
> A well-designed GUI can be very easy, especially if it has common
> elements; this is what makes Windows so powerful. (Mac OS, too,
> as it turns out, although the details are different, and, to
> a slightly lesser extent, widget sets on X; the main problem there
> is cut and paste, and resize feedback.)
>
> Everyone understands:
>
> - moving the mouse pointer
> - clicking, dragging, and dropping
> - double-clicking, dragging, and dropping icons
> - folder icons as directories, document icons as files
> - top-mounted window pulldown menus
> - keyboard shortcuts
> - buttons with balloon help
> - text entry controls, both multiline and single-line
> - Control/C, Control/X, and Control/V
> - scrollbars
> - scrolling lists (both horizontal and vertical)
> - drop down comboboxes (which are actually a combination of button,
> menu, and list)
>
> Windows does have advantages. However, MS may be frittering
> away some of them; the latest Windows appear to have movable
> menubars. What use is that? Detach a menubar from the window,
> and it becomes a floating menubar -- um, now what app did
> that floating menubar correspond to?! (Netscape and GTK have
> the same capability, so it's not limited to Windows.)
>
> And then there's the famous gorgeously slow disappearing and
> scrolling out menus. Waste of CPU cycles, IMO. What's
> next, rapidly rotating dialog boxes a la old filmreels and cartoons? :-)
> At least balloon help serves a purpose, especially since some of
> those icons aren't exactly intuitive. Even pulldown menus
> are an aid to documentation; they show the capabilities of the
> program -- which makes the "hide less recently used" option
> on pulldown menus in Windows a bit puzzling. Then again,
> one can make a case either way.
>
> The horizontal scrolling file requester is an abomination, but
> we're used to it now, even to the point of duplicating it,
> bodge for bodge, in the Wine project -- although that may
> be because I'm using it with Win95 and the Microsoft DLLs are
> setting that up.
>
> One other advantage with Windows -- IE has instantaneous refresh
> during resize; Netscape does not. This feedback is very helpful
> to the user who wants to see the web page just so, and may explain
> in part why IE is so popular in the first place.
>
I just tried it under Netscape... works great.
> Most X window managers rubberband during resize, so this facility
> may not even be available. I am tempted to write one that treats
> X resize events similarly to X move events, but I fear the performance
> in many apps may not be there -- and it will take me awhile,
> as it's not my speciality.
>
Resize under Motif works great.
> Compared to all this, the command line is extremely dry and
> uninteresting, although improvements have been made there, too;
> older systems don't have:
>
> - filename completion
> - command completion
> - filename and command listing on double-TAB
> - arrow-key history and editing (although some used VI-style keys)
>
I use Bash under Solaris 8. No problemo.
> Heck, HP-UX can still come up using @ for linekill and # for backspace.
> Arcane? You bet your sweet bippy. But the users have changed;
> we're more demanding and fickle now.
>
I don't find these situations in Sun OS5.8.
> >
> >men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> >more even than death
> >- bertrand russell
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 1d:22h:12m actually running Linux.
> Hi. I'm a signature virus.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:24:32 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Anonymous
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote
> > on Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:30:34 -0600
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Anything with a command line is easier to learn, of course, because it
> > >> is simpler
> > >
> > >i just wanted to see that again
> > > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >
> > There are advantages to the command line, but ease of learning
> > is not among them (though it depends in part on the complexity
> > thereof, the design of the GUI, and to a large part on the
> > documentation available using 'man' or 'info').
> >
> > A well-designed GUI can be very easy, especially if it has common
> > elements; this is what makes Windows so powerful. (Mac OS, too,
> > as it turns out, although the details are different, and, to
> > a slightly lesser extent, widget sets on X; the main problem there
> > is cut and paste, and resize feedback.)
> >
> > Everyone understands:
> >
> > - moving the mouse pointer
> > - clicking, dragging, and dropping
> > - double-clicking, dragging, and dropping icons
> > - folder icons as directories, document icons as files
> > - top-mounted window pulldown menus
> > - keyboard shortcuts
> > - buttons with balloon help
> > - text entry controls, both multiline and single-line
> > - Control/C, Control/X, and Control/V
> > - scrollbars
> > - scrolling lists (both horizontal and vertical)
> > - drop down comboboxes (which are actually a combination of button,
> > menu, and list)
>
> Actually, not. Ever see a true newbie in front of a Windows machine?
>
> They are just as stymied by a GUI as they are by a command line.
>
You're correct! I've watched new secretaries trying to learn point and
click for the first time. Hand-eye-coordination training is needed.
All newbies to windows have trouble in the beginning. And then real
troubles later on when the crapware starts giving them fits.
> > Windows does have advantages. However, MS may be frittering
> > away some of them; the latest Windows appear to have movable
> > menubars. What use is that? Detach a menubar from the window,
> > and it becomes a floating menubar -- um, now what app did
> > that floating menubar correspond to?! (Netscape and GTK have
> > the same capability, so it's not limited to Windows.)
> >
> > And then there's the famous gorgeously slow disappearing and
> > scrolling out menus. Waste of CPU cycles, IMO. What's
> > next, rapidly rotating dialog boxes a la old filmreels and cartoons? :-)
> > At least balloon help serves a purpose, especially since some of
> > those icons aren't exactly intuitive. Even pulldown menus
> > are an aid to documentation; they show the capabilities of the
> > program -- which makes the "hide less recently used" option
> > on pulldown menus in Windows a bit puzzling. Then again,
> > one can make a case either way.
> >
> > The horizontal scrolling file requester is an abomination, but
> > we're used to it now, even to the point of duplicating it,
> > bodge for bodge, in the Wine project -- although that may
> > be because I'm using it with Win95 and the Microsoft DLLs are
> > setting that up.
> >
> > One other advantage with Windows -- IE has instantaneous refresh
> > during resize; Netscape does not. This feedback is very helpful
> > to the user who wants to see the web page just so, and may explain
> > in part why IE is so popular in the first place.
> >
> > Most X window managers rubberband during resize, so this facility
> > may not even be available. I am tempted to write one that treats
> > X resize events similarly to X move events, but I fear the performance
> > in many apps may not be there -- and it will take me awhile,
> > as it's not my speciality.
> >
> > Compared to all this, the command line is extremely dry and
> > uninteresting, although improvements have been made there, too;
> > older systems don't have:
> >
> > - filename completion
> > - command completion
> > - filename and command listing on double-TAB
> > - arrow-key history and editing (although some used VI-style keys)
> >
> > Heck, HP-UX can still come up using @ for linekill and # for backspace.
> > Arcane? You bet your sweet bippy. But the users have changed;
> > we're more demanding and fickle now.
> >
> > >
> > >men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> > >more even than death
> > >- bertrand russell
> >
> > --
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> > EAC code #191 1d:22h:12m actually running Linux.
> > Hi. I'm a signature virus.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
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