Linux-Advocacy Digest #460, Volume #33 Mon, 9 Apr 01 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Dave Martel)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (GreyCloud)
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (Goldhammer)
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (Dave Martel)
Re: Article: Microsoft excludes world+dog from Passport climb-down (Dave Martel)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Ed Allen)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Matthew Gardiner)
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:34:34 -0600
On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:42:55 GMT, "WGAF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:57:48 GMT, "WGAF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> >> TCLPro, Corel PhotoPaint, WordPerfect, Snif+, not to mention the usual
>> >> apps like GIMP and XEmacs. There's bunches more but it's been a long
>> >> day.
>> >
>> >The TCLPro is available for the Windows platform also for the same cost,
>> >which is free.
>>
>> Your original statement, to which I was responding and which you
>> carefully clipped, was:
>>
>> >You'd have hard time naming some commercial
>> >grade application for Linux. Even if you do,
>> >they won't be free.
>>
>> It doesn't matter that TCLPro, GIMP, and Emacs/XEmacs are also
>> available free for Windows, they still prove that statement wrong.
>
>How so?
LOL! Give it up.
>> >The commercial software like Corel isn't free as I said
>> >previously. You can have any versions of the Emacs....
>>
>> Go to <http://linux.corel.com/download/>. You'll find free downloads
>> of the linux versions of Corel Photopaint 9 and WordPerfect.
>
>Time limited and restricted software, a.k.a shareware...
Nope. Neither one cost me a thing. Reread the page, registration is
free for noncommercial users. No problem, commercial users can use
another free commercial-grade application for linux - StarOffice. It's
multiplatform, and they can even get the source code for free. KOffice
is also shaping up nicely.
>> >needs to be recovered, otherwise the distro will disappear. The point is
>> >that it won't be long when the Linux pricing will go by licensing the
>> >distros for corporation based upon the number of installation.
>>
>> I have no problem with that, since the only way a commercial distro
>> can survive competition from the free ones is to offer value in
>> proportion to its additional cost. However, the kernel is still linux
>> and the applications are still open-source and freely downloadable all
>> over the place, so there's a rather low real-world limit to just how
>> much additional value any commercial distribution can possibly
>> deliver.
>
>Kernel in itself can do nothing applications are the entities what makes it
>worth while to turn on the machine. That's how the distros get the companies
>to pay for their distros. It won't be long before even the desktop versions
>will be licensed. Sure, you still can have the barebone freebie but there
>will be no compelling reason to have it without the apps.
You have some funny ideas about distros. I'd enlighten you but it's
more fun watching you make a fool of yourself.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:51:15 -0700
silverback wrote:
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> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 00:40:12 -0400, JulianD. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 00:35:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >(silverback) wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:24:16 -0400, JulianD. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:25:00 -0700, Robert Sturgeon
> >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:38:28 GMT,
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:18:59 -0700, Robert Sturgeon
> >>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:29:39 GMT,
> >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>(snips)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Yeah, it's right-wing socialism, characterized by vertical integration
> >>>>>>>>of the industrial sector.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>there is no such thing as right wing socialism dumb fuck
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>What then do you suppose Nazi means?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I don't give a fuck what the name means dummy. Unless yer one of the
> >>>>>idiots that still thinks East germany was a democracy and China a
> >>>>>republic.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thank you for being totally open about your willful
> >>>>ignorance.
> >>>
> >>>If was totally open all the time about his ignorance, this group would
> >>>be nothing but silvernut's posts.
> >>
> >>still think a name means more than their actions asshole? Yer a
> >>really dumb one ifyou do.
> >
> >let's step outside.
>
> sure you firat so I can kick yer dumb ass good.
>
> >
> >>
> >>***********************************************
> >>
> >>GDY Weasel
> >>emailers remove the spam buster
> >>
> >>For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
> >>
> >>http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
> >>
> >>*********************************************
> >
>
> ***********************************************
>
> GDY Weasel
> emailers remove the spam buster
>
Hmmm... looks like you have a hankering for Ryder Trucks there Billy
Butt Crust.
The Bombers choice.
> For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>
> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>
> *********************************************
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 05:52:39 GMT
On 8 Apr 2001 21:29:24 -0700,
kirk@do_not_spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I spend the last 3 hours trying to mount a CD on linux and finally
>gave up.
Ok.
>so I started KonCD (or whatver that thing is called that comes with KDE).
>of course , it did not see it and no reason is given. searching and
>reading I found I need to build a new kernel with scsi ide emulation mode
>(imagin if someone on windows has to rebuild windows to write a CD).
IDE CD-Rs and CD-RWs employ a kind of SCSI emulation:
ATAPI. To use ATAPI CD-Rs and CD-RWs you should build
SCSI support into the kernel (not as a module.)
>Then I started searching the net for clues, I found that I need to tell
>the kernel at boot up some more hint. so added the line
>
>append "hdb=scsi"
>
>where hdb is my CD drive on my PC.
Is it?
>try again
>
>mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /some_directory
>
>no luck. same erros.
Think of your ATAPI CD-R as essentially a SCSI device. It
should be mounted to /dev/sr0 or /dev/sr1, etc.
Add this line to /etc/fstab:
/dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,owner 0 0
then use
#mount /mnt/cdrom
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:41:50 -0600
On 8 Apr 2001 21:29:24 -0700, kirk@do_not_spam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>shutdown the PC, reboot to window, stick the same CD and it is there.
>the directory I wrote on the CD is actually there.
>
>No rebuilding kernels, no telling windows any boot parameters, no
>mounting, no trying to remember the device cryptic names. It is just there
>to use. as an OS should be.
Bet you change that tune in a year or two when you try to make a
(legal) backup copy of a retail music or software CD, and Windows
won't let you.
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.privacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Microsoft excludes world+dog from Passport climb-down
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:48:48 -0600
On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:38:00 GMT, T. Max Devlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Dave Martel in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:45:13
>-0600;
>>Looks like we all rejoiced a bit too soon:
>>
>><http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/18165.html>
>>Microsoft excludes world+dog from Passport climb-down
>>By: Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco
>>Posted: 07/04/2001 at 00:48 GMT
>>
>>"Although Microsoft very publicly ate humble pie this week, after its
>>Passport authentication hub's Terms of Use appeared to give it carte
>>blanche over users' intellectual property, it seems that it was only
>>eating American Pie."
>>
>>"To be precise, Microsoft's revision of its Passport Terms of Use
>>applies only to American users." <snip>
>
>Okay, I think we've finally gone from the realm of "illegal" to the
>realm of "immoral". This is so pathetic that the word pathetic is
>pathetic in describing how pathetic and loathsome it is.
Yeah, I rather liked it, too. It's so much fun watching MS stick their
foot in their mouth again, and again, and again...
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 06:01:09 GMT
In article <HOZz6.93538$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
WGAF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> You're confusing glitz with quality.
>>
>
>And you're confusing media blitz with quality...
>
And we all know about "The vast rightwing conspiracy", too.
Who pays for this blitz ?
What proof do you have besides your own babbling ?
--
Linux -- The Unix defragmentation tool.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:21:04 +1200
WGAF wrote:
> "Salvador Peralta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9anard$p1u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > WGAF quoth:
> >
> > > In some respect you're right, KDE can lock up as much as Windows :).
> >
> > I've never that happen in v2.1. I have application crashes, and
> > application lockups ( so far, only knode in v2.1 ), but that is a
> > simple PS -A, kill PID. Or XKill.
>
> Hmm... Tha application locks up but you kill X. Did you say that the X never
> locks up?
You've never used UNIX, right? XKill turns you mouse into a application killer,
thus, you can kill windows etc that are locked
>
>
> > I said better integration between the browser and applications. Can
> > you specify that you want to use an image editor to open images in
> > IE? Can you select what application you'd like to use to view
> > source? Can you specify what mail client you'd like to use? Which
> > news client? How much configuration can you do on your key bindings?
> > Can you open zipped and gzipped files without uncompressing them?
> > Can you set HTTP user agent?
>
> Sure you can, there's MS Outlook and Outlook Express mail clients.
Errrrrrrrrrrr, haven't answered the questions. oh, and btw, are you really
that stupid to run a virus spreader such as Outlook.
>
>
> > Simply untrue. The only application on my desktop that I do not have
> > full cut-and-paste capabilities with other applications is Mozilla.
> > And that's because the project made a poor choice of widget sets to
> > work with.
>
> Therefore the copy/paste doesn't work doesn't work within apps on the Linux
> platform.
Works for me. Don't know what the fuck you are do'in.
>
>
> > > From the tipical end users perspective it doesn't really matter what
> > > the OS is. Most of them don't know it anyway. Nonetheless they get
> > > more usability out of Windows or more concisely from the
> > > applications running on Windows.
> >
> > Not really. About the only microsoft application you can make a case
> > for being superior to its counterparts on linux is office. And even
> > that is open for debate. In terms of visual Office software, I
> > prefer ABI Word to office for word processing. Spreadsheets are
> > spreadsheets. The only real advantage office has is its presentation
> > software. Some people might justify spending a few hundred on that
> > piece of functionality. I cannot.
>
> Really, how about Visio?
Hmm, gee, Visio, a real, original program by Microsoft (if you hadn't noticed,
I am being sarcastic!). What can Office do, that StarOffice can't? Please
list all the things you can do on office, that you can't do on StarOffice, I
would say that you would be pretty hard pressed to find something StarOffice
doesn't have.
>
>
> >
> > > there are
> > > lots of games, 10 zillion different text editor with little or no
> > > relation to each other. Not to mention all of the interesting
> > > looking apps what Linux has.
> >
> > Holding aside the games ( since I don't use them ), my system came
> > configured out of the box with a screen magnifier for the visually
> > impaired. CD burning utilities, fax sender/viewer, babelfish,
> > advaned text editor, basic text editor, and a binary editor ( all
> > superior to their counterparts on windows ), postscript and pdf
> > viewers, the gimp ( you won't really try and compare MS paint to the
> > gimp, will you? ), screen capture software, ftp, chat, newsreaders,
> > email, html editors, word, illustrator, spreadsheets, calendar,
> > organizer, palm connectivity, and a host of other applications all
> > comparable or better than their counterparts on windows ( if they are
> > even available after a windows install ), and I don't even have half
> > of what I could have put on my desktop.
>
> All of those software and you can't even copy/paste between them...
Yes, you can. I have a feeling thats all you do all day, copy-paste,
copy-paste, copy-paste. Ok, so I am guessing that you don't mind paying
$NZ1300 +GST For Microsoft Office 2000, and $NZ800 +GST for Windows 2000, both
of them virus spreading, unstable pieces of shit. The only application I do
miss from the Windows world would be Lotus Smart Suite.
>
>
> > > Windows comes
> > > You'd have hard time naming some
> > > commercial grade application for Linux. Even if you do, they won't
> > > be free.
> >
> > Again, what came bundled with my system is superior to what comes
> > bundled with windows, and there is more of it. Most every piece of
> > software on my system is commercial grade. As to what commercial
> > grade software I have on my system compared with windows for free
> > versus what comes with linux, there is no comparison.
> >
> > Visual Age for Java Free
> > DB2 Free
> > Perl v 5.6 Free
> > Python Free
> > Apache Free
> > Cocoon Free
> > Tomcat Free
> > PostGRESQL Free
> > gcc/gpp Free
> >
> > etc.etc.etc...
>
> And most of those software is also available for Windows as well for free,
> what's your point? The DB2 which cite the second time is a personal edition,
> with all of its limitations, and not full blown DB2. Tomcat can't hold a
> candle to Jrun 3.0. Etc, etc....
The Linux/UNIX/*BSD equivilant are better, best example of this would be the
problems the apache team faced when trying to port Apache to Windows. Even
when they did get it running, it was not as stable or reliable as the
*NIX counterpart.
>
>
> > > Provided that KDE could provide the same applications as Windows
> > > does, which it can't do.
> >
> > No, it provides more and better applications.
>
> Garbage...
Nope, I would say your pre-emptive assumptions are garbage. I guess you have
never used Linux in your life, or maybe your one of those people who can't
stand the fact that they have finally realised that they aren't the genius they
thought they were.
>
>
> > > And even if they do provide free software with the OS, MS is called
> > > names and accused of monopoly. Go figure...
> >
> > Microsoft is reviled because of their business practises. if you;d
> > like to get into that discussion, I'll be happy to. But let's be
> > clear. I'm not calling microsoft names. I'm saying that their
> > software is worse than what I have with linux. The operating system
> > is worse. The applications they bundle with their operating system
> > are worse. And both the operating system and its applications are
> > improving at a slower rate than those that come with linux.
>
> And I'm saying that Linux software is worse than I have with Windows. As for
> the OS, once you compare Windows to Linux with GUI and its apps, there's no
> difference between the two on the stability level. Except that Windows has a
> better finish and application integration. Sure, you could just compare the
> Linux kernel to Windows and draw your conclusion, which is what you seem to
> do.
What do you mean by, and I quote, "Windows has a better finish and application
integration"? I have used both Redhat 7, and I have just installed SuSE Linux
7.1, and believe me, the quality of the setup tools, the automatic updater in
Yast2 are vastly superior to what Windows has to offer. the GNOME on Redhat 7,
is awsome. Cleanly refined. SuSE Linux 7.1, IMHO, is probably the best Linux I
have used so far, esp the lenfths SuSE has gone to, to intergrate YaST2 and
various other tools into KDE 2.0.1.
>
>
> > > Linux is about 3 years away from Windows 2000. Since 90+% of people
> > > use some form of Windows, one could say that people voted with they
> > > wallet. You can dice it whichever way you wanted, but you can't deny
> > > that fact.
> >
> > Linux wasn't a commercial desktop option until the end of last year
> > or early this year so that's really a silly comparison. As for being
> > 3 years away from the current incarnation of win32, I don't think
> > we've gotten that far ahead of windows 2000.
>
> No, it didn't. Linux is left behind in the dust. As for Linux not being a
> commercial desktop option until now, that in itself says a lot about all of
> the arguments from last year.
and yet again I say, that from the sentence above, that you don't mind paying
$NZ800 +GST for Windows 2000 Pro and $NZ1300 +GST for Microsoft Office 2000
>
>
> > I hope you have licenses for all of those copies. If not, you are
> > admitting to a criminal act in a public forum.
>
> The licenses came with the PC from the OEM, which isn't really a copy of W2K
> anyway just a restore CD. Nice of you to assume that I don't have the
> necessary licenses, typical Linux mentality since that's what you would've
> done.
It is an OEM license, which allows the OEM to create a custom CD for lusers
such as you, who have the inability to manually install the software
themselves.
>
>
> > > You're kidding, right?
> >
> > Not at all. I've made the case for Linux being superior with the
> > applications that are bundled with it. If you'd like to make a case
> > for windows plus a bunch of commercial add-on's, don't forget to
> > throw in the costs associated with each purchase required to bring
> > it's suite of applications up to or above what I have for free on
> > linux.
>
> And don't forget to mention that, just like with anything else you get what
> you pay for.
Geeze, you have a real generalisation problem, don't you?
>
>
> > > It is easier to improve something on the lower level...
> >
> > Which makes me wonder why microsoft simply isn't improving as quickly.
>
> That's funny...
what is? that hes right?
>
>
> > > With everything being equal, which isn't IMHO, the lack of
> > > applications is still a hurdle what Linux needs to take.
> >
> > I can basically guarantee that I have more applications on my linux
> > system than you do on any of your windows systems.
>
> You forgot an adjective, let me correct it for you. "more useless
> applications on my linux
> system than you do on any of your windows systems."
Nope, I can grab a copy of SUSE with all the Net clients (Such as Napster,
Hotline, IRC, ICQ), office software, games, ON CD, I would other wise have to
download if I have Windows 2000.
>
>
> > > And if I tell you that being an NT admin and had to explain to Unix
> > > admin that he can not telnet to Solaris 2.7 as root user, what does
> > > it tell you?
> >
> > It tells me that your unix admin was probably an inexperienced hire.
> > Holding aside the root issue, he must be inexperienced if he is
> > thinking about logging onto a production machine with telnet as *ANY*
> > user. If you are more experienced, you should know better as well.
>
> I guess I should've spelled out what I said to the Solaris admin.
> Nonetheless, you missed the point that there are incompetent admins with any
> OS.
Most of them are for NT, as it requires no knowledge to setup up a network,
however, to secure it and ensure it is stable, well, thats another kettle of
fish. FOr a UNIX admin, all of the above could be done with ease.
>
>
> > > You mean those manpages which start at year 1900? But you're right,
> > > it is not easy to read the Linux manuals and one needs to learn how
> > > to read them first.
> >
> > Start with the how-to's. My system came bundled with most of them.
>
> And read through on the history of Linux and how great Linux Torwald is? No
> thanks.. Besides, what the hell the pronunciation of his name is doing in
> the how-to's?
Well, no, I have a UNIX book here (next to me), and I have never heard any
praising, or promoting of Linux in the how-to's.
>
>
> > > That's bs at its best. Those documentations are written with
> > > competent Linux users in mind which makes it harder for a newbie to
> > > learn Linux.
> >
> > I see. Now we're taking issue with targetting useful documents to
> > competent users. Less competent users can start with the how-to's.
> > My system came with how-to's, info pages, man pages, Administrator's
> > guides, programmer's guides, etc. Yours came with a set of generally
> > useless popup windows.
>
> And my Mandrake 7.0, Caldera 2.4 came with generally useless man pages. Not
> to mention the fact that some of the how-to's aren't set up correctly by the
> installation program and can't be accessed by the shortcuts.
Mandrake 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is fucking old. As for Caldera 2.4, geeze,
that is even fucking worse! wtf is wrong with you? Please, if you are going to
be critical of Linux, use the latest version. Maybe I should use Windows 3.0
as the bench mark for all Windows variants, because you do the same with Linux.
>
>
> > > I understand more about MS licensing than I care to disclose.
> >
> > So you understand why there are many times more linux systems
> > deployed than there are systems licensed. Why not just concede the
> > point and have done?
>
> Because I don't agree with you on that point, pretending that there are more
> Linux installation than the actual figure is rubbish.
Take away the Windows 2000 clustering tools, and Windows 2000 would be a
pathetic piece of shit. Windows 2000 depends on clustering technology, with
out it, Windows 2000 would never have gotten out of the door. Oh, and if you
have looked, there are quite a few people defecting to SUN from NT, by the
sales figures they release each quarter.
>
>
> >
> > > Furthermore, lately Linux functionality is getting licensed and cost
> > > money too. Yes, the base OS is still free but there are signs that a
> > > robust Linux system will cost as much as NT.
> >
> > Right. Like how you need to pay big bucks to do clustering with
> > Beowulf? Or big bucks to handle SMP on a single system? oops. The
> > only additional cost associated with linux is usually the cost of
> > licensing a product like oracle or db2 or a best in class server like
> > Tux. But then you aren't paying for linux, you are paying for an
> > application.
>
> Yes, Linux can do all of that albeit not as well as a commercial grade OS.
Define "Commercial Grade". So, If I have the beowold clustering software, it
was closed source, and I sold it for $1000000000000000000000000000000 you would
be somehow happy that because it is expensive, some how, its must be better
than the free alternative.
>
>
> >
> > > It is a lot easier to grow from less than a single digit to couple
> > > of digits vs. growing 90+%, agreed?
> >
> > Yep. Windows has nowhere to go but down.
>
> Statistics seems to disagree with you, get used of it.
Hmm, not in New Zealand. I went into the computer store, and in a space of 30
minutes, 6 people had enquired about Linux, 4 of them actually bought a copy.
>
>
> > > That sentence seems to contradict your previous claims...
> >
> > Not at all. Whatever may be going on in server-space, NT has a
> > larger client-base.
>
> And NT also has a larger server market share what you seem to forget.
What server market? the low end, bum market? the market where nobody gives a
shit whether their server is reliable? geeze Microsoft, what a great
achievement, NOT!
>
>
> > > Even Linux realized this and trying to make it easier for
> > > the admins and end users to use the OS. Even traditionally CLI only
> > > devices, like routers, load balancers, and firewalls are giving the
> > > end user the choice to use GUI. And that's how it should be.
> >
> > I agree. But with linux, they aren't locked into a gui, and that's
> > also how it should be.
>
> Geeks will be geeks...
Unfortunately, you donot have the intellectualy applitude to be one.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:43:23 +1200
Well, actually, KDE for Solaris is distributed in the *.class form. As for the
KDE download proceedure, why don't you fix it? or email KDE requesting that
they put the distro all in one RPM? or DEB?
Matthew Gardiner
WGAF wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > <snype>
> >
> > I guess you have never used Solaris before. Solaris, you download the
> self
> > exacting archive (with the extension *.class), double click on it, and a
> > wizard is launched which you click on the next button to continue the
> > installation. So, no, you comment regarding UNIX or Linux is not valid.
> A
> > more pressing issue is why, when I was running Windows 2000, did I have to
> > reboot after installing Media Player? its just a fucking media player, not
> a
> > low-level component of the operating system! explain that. Also, what
> did
> > I need to reboot after installing the high encryption pack for Internet
> > Explorer did I need to reboot? I find those more annoying, esp. when you
> have
> > update Windows 2000 and everything you update requires a system reboot.
>
> What is Solaris has to do with questionable distribution for KDE? You can
> try to deflact attention from KDE upgrade method, but it doesn't change the
> fact. The present distribution system for Linux sucks.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:46:00 +1200
Bob, you should read the bitch-feast on the ZDNET newsdesk forum, the
number of people bitching about Windows is unbelievable, esp. after the
promotion WGAF has done on how great Windows. I guess WGAF will be eating
humble pie after the first 5 patches are released for Windows XP after it
has been released.
Matthew Gardiner
Bob Hauck wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:49:26 GMT, WGAF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >What is Solaris has to do with questionable distribution for KDE?
>
> Having trouble following the thread are we? "Robert@" made the argument
> that the KDE installation is the result of a general "Unix mentality".
>
> > The present distribution system for Linux sucks.
>
> Well, then Linux will die out and you'll have to find something else to
> make idiotic statements about.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
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> -| http://www.haucks.org/
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