Linux-Advocacy Digest #547, Volume #33 Thu, 12 Apr 01 14:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Martin
McPhillips)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Eric Tetz)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Douglas Siebert)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Jerry Coffin)
Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home (Mark Hillary)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Mathew)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:09:16 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:22:18 -0400, Rob Robertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> Rob Robertson wrote:
>>
>> >silverback wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Rob Robertson wrote:
>> >
>> ><etc,... snip>
>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >What part of Islamic theology specifies the vertical integration of
>> >> >> >> >> >industry within the country.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> fascism is corporate rule dummy. Maybe you should educate yerself and
>> >> >> >> >> find out how many of those Iranian corporations are controlled by the
>> >> >> >> >> religious allyotahs.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > So if the Ayatollahs who constitute the ruling *state* power control
>> >> >> >> >those Iranian corporations, how does that support your "fascism is
>> >> >> >> >corporate rule" thesis, Glen?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> [Scott Erb = disingenuous fraud] is playing dum.... err forgot who I was
>> >> >> >> replying to there folks excuse me. [Scott Erb = disingenuous fraud]
>doesn't
>> >> >> >> have to play dumb he is dumb. Gee [Scott Erb = disingenuous fraud] you
>> >> >> >> might do a little checking and when you do you will find that the
>> >> >> >> Ayatollahs own and control those corporations.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
>> >> >> >the economy, not societal control by corporations. You and I have had
>> >> >> >this conversation several times in the recent past, but only now do
>> >> >> >you recognize that it is the state rulers controlling businesses that
>> >> >> >constitutes fascism, not rule by corporations.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> wrong again [ disingenuous fraud] under fascism the corporations
>> >> >> are the government.
>> >> >
>> >> > Oh dear, this really is getting 'complex' now. Up above you say that "those
>> >> >Iranian corporations are controlled by the religious allyotahs [sic]", which
>> >> >to me means that the *political* leaders (the allosaurus's, or whatever) are
>> >> >in control of the *business* leaders, not the other way around. That's what
>> >> >I'd said to you many times, as noted in the replays which you deleted (leftist
>> >> >censorship in action again, eh Glen?).
>> >>
>> >> it figures that the simple minded lying [disingenuous fraud] would
>> >> be unable to understand.
>> >
>> > I've explained it to you many, many times over the past few months, Glen, and
>> >I've explained and paraphrased it several times in this thread (and the proof
>> >of that is in this very post). I think that you're just upset because I found
>> >you eventually agreeing with me that fascism is the state-directed control of
>>
>> wrong again [ disingenuous fraud]. The Nazis allowed the corporations
>> to write the laws.
>
> Do the Ayatollahs allow Iranian companies to write the laws, Glen?
>
yup
>> >the economy as you note with your 'Ayatollah Fascism' comment above, and that
>> >I would connect that back to your fascist call for the government take-over of
>> >the electricity industry in California.
>> >
>> > Not very good advertisement for your book _The Nazi Hydra_, Glen!
>> >
>> >> > You repeat the claim that "the Ayatollahs own and control those corporations",
>> >> >and at the risk of being redundant and repetitious, I'd note that Ayatollahs
>> >> >are the *political* leaders. Now you contradict *yourself* (while leaving in
>> >> >the evidence of the contradiction in your response, oddly enough) when you
>> >> >claim that "the corporations are the government".
>> >> >
>> >> >> > Do you remember this exchange, Glen?;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> i remember yer a lying [Scott Erb = disingenuous fraud].
>> >> >>
>> >> >> remainder of this lying [Scott Erb = disingenuous fraud]'s tripe snipped,.
>> >> >> He doesn;t have a point and is prone to lying.
>> >> >
>> >> > Au contraire, mon frere. The point I've been trying to make all along has
>> >> >been that fascism is the state-directed *control* of the economy as opposed
>> >> >to communism's state *ownership* of industry. You echoed my sentiment above
>> >> >with your 'fascist Iran' claim, and I'd also note the irony of your calls
>> >> >for the government takeover of the California electricity industry, which
>> >> >is much more like fascism than my calls for laissez-faire capitalism.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you for the pleasant discussion.
>
>_
>Rob Robertson
>
>
> Got freedom?
>
> http://www.lewRockwell.com
>
> http://www.free-market.net
>
> http://www.mises.org
>
> http://www.hazlitt.org
>
> http://www.antiwar.com
>
> http://www.unionsquarejournal.com
>
> http://www.libertocracy.com
>
> http://www.unknownideal.com
>
> http://www.self-gov.org
>
> http://www.lp.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:06:23 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:44:50 -0400, Rob Robertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>
>> "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>> >
>> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > : Well, when sliverdick goes to bed at night, he has nightmares that
>> > : George Bush is hiding under his bed.
>> >
>> > : Strangely, whenever he turns on the lights, and looks under the
>> > : bed....there's nothing there other than his semen-stained copies
>> > : of The Communist Manifesto and other Marxist diatribes that get
>> > : him all so giddy.
>> >
>> > That was a mental picture I think we could have lived without. :)
>> >
>>
>> It's got a centerfold of a child being taken from her parents
>> to be "raised by the village"
>>
>> Sliverdick just goes ape over that one.
sorry fuckhead I opposed ruthless rudy who wanted to seize the
children of New York's homeless if they failed to accept a job on his
physic friends 900 line.
>
> Do you mean this one?;
>
>http://members.nbci.com/rational1/wild/
>
>_
>RR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:10:22 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:44:21 -0400, Rob Robertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:37:19 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >silverback wrote:
>
><etc,... snip>
>
>> >> wrong again liar. Fascism is corporate rule. The Nazis allowed the
>> >> corporations to write the laws.
>> >
>> >So, then, you agree that it's bad to let the Sierra Club and similar
>> >groups write environmental law, and that it's a bad idea to let
>> >those with a vested interest in the welfare bureacracy to write
>> >welfare laws.
>>
>> nope, the Sierra club is hardly a corporation buttfuck.
>
>From http://outingleaders.sierraclub.org:8082/Common/ins_manual/index.asp;
>
>[...]
>
> The Sierra Club, which includes the chapters, groups, and sections,
> is considered one corporation under California corporation law.
ahh so what he have here is fraud admitting to being a dumb fuck.
There are 2 types of corporations for profit and non profits. Funny
how the dumb fucker can't tell the difference.
>
>
> Fish, barrel, etc,...
>
>_
>Rob Robertson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:10:00 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Donn Miller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:24:58 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Brent R wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what you mean. BASH/CYGWIN is available for Windows, as is
>> sed & awk, batch files (ok they do suck but they can do *some* large
>> scale things fast), the Windows Scripting Host (although I haven't tried
>> this one out) and some limited DOS console stuff that can do scripting
>> pretty easily.
>
>Ah, yes, but bash/cygwin only give you a momentary respite. There's
>other obstacles, such as the horrible performance of the FAT
>filesystem.
Then switch to NTFS. That was easy. :-)
Of course, then one has to worry about heavy fragmentation and
degrading performance as the MFT fills up. (This is an improvement?
When will someone write a slip-in DLL/module/whatever for NT that
allows it to use a proper file system, like reiserfs, xfs, or
even ext2fs? :-) )
>Also, doing parallel builds ala make -j don't work with
>Windows 9X, because the FAT FS is unable to store both last modified and
>last accessed timestamps. Also, I think gcc/cygwin is a great and very
>nifty compiler. But the Cygwin version of bash sometimes causes make to
>hang during long compiles. So far I have found Cygwin very frustrating
>for big projects. But, yes, it sure is nice to have a command line
>under Windows. I find it more convenient to issue "df" at the Cygwin
>command line than to fire up Windows Explorer to see how much disk space
>I've got left.
Cygwin: 'd' 'f' [ENTER], view results.
Explorer: double-click on "My Computer", right-click on selected drive
revealing drop-down menu, move mouse to "Properties", left-click,
view results.
Or: click on Start button, click on "Programs >", click on
"Windows NT Explorer", right-click on drive, etc.
Gee, which one's simpler? :-)
[.sigsnip]
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From: Martin McPhillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:13:15 GMT
silverback wrote:
>
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:04:48 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
> >
> >>Hitler cut the taxes of the rich so did raygun.
> >>Hitler raised the taxes of the poor so did raygun
> >>Hitler cut corporate taxes so did raygun.
> >>Hitler cut welfare programs so did raygun.
> >>Hitler lowered unemployment payments so did raygun.
> >>Hitler outlawed unions so did raygun.
> >>Hitler privitized large portions of the government so did raygun.
> >>Hitler ran on a racist program so did raygun.
> >
> >Typical communist tactic. Take a bunch of "who cares" similarities
> >(hey! They both had a brain and two legs!), throw in a couple
> >bald-faced lies, and hope that no one catches it.
>
> too bad little fool all raygun did once he got to the Whitehouse was
> read the script that Hitler wrote.
Let's face it Glenn, Reagan shut down that Big Home for the
Retarded in Russia that you hoped would open a branch in
Oregon and take you in, and you can't forgive him for it.
I understand. Let me counsel you, Glen. Put you faith in
Good Old McFly, and let him bring you home to the promised
land: Mainstreaming.
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From: Eric Tetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:15:29 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thore B. Karlsen wrote:
> On 12 Apr 2001 15:48:49 +0100, Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> The idea of shipping a minimal emacs has been suggested for a
>>while, on top of which you could add just the packages you use. I
>>think that this would be a good idea, but I don't think that the woman
>>power is there to do it at the moment. To be honest I doubt that it
>>ever will be. 47MB of disk space is just not a lot these days.
>
> Sigh..
>
> So it's not a lot. It's still more than even Microsoft Office. It's more
> than DJGPP.
>
> That you in most cases have lots of space doesn't justify wasting it. I
> just don't buy into that philosophy.
Wasting it? Not using the space because of some kind of depression era
miser-ism going on would be the real waste. The computer is your servant,
and today it's time is dirt cheap. Any amount of machine time/space spent
to save a human time is well spent, not wasted. If Emacs had a
brain-machine interface (could read your mind) but required 3 gig to
install, would it be worth it? Considering that you can probably dig a 3
gig drive out of your local landfill, I would say yes.
I have single applications that require 500MB to install (games). Why
would anyone worry about giving up a *fraction of a percent* of their drive
space to the one app they use more than any other?
Cheers,
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Siebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:24:36 +0000 (UTC)
"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>First, most organizations should never have been running consumer
>versions of Windows in the first place. They were not intended for
>business use. If a business user must run some version of Windows it
>should be NT or 2000.
Why, because Microsoft says so? Windows 95 cost less, had smaller RAM
requirements, and ran on a much wider variety of hardware than Windows
NT. As it was big organizations had to spend a lot to upgrade hardware
when moving from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95, because it required more
CPU and more RAM. It would have cost a hell of a lot more, not to
mention all the extra costs for licensing. Yes, NT is more "manageable"
but when things inevitably got screwed up it was easier and cheaper to
just send out an intern with a golden image CD and reinstall regardless
of which OS is installed.
Even today, I'm sure a majority of corporate desktops are Windows 95 or
98. Windows 2000 is certainly a big improvement, but given all the Y2K
issues no one was going to upgrade to it, and by the time they got
around to thinking about it, XP was just around the corner. And since
it'll be for consumer use as well, the problem of missing drivers will
finally be fixed (there are still some things that only have Win9x
drivers)
--
Douglas Siebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:31:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Everett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 11 Apr 2001 17:17:49 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:00:54 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Jonas wrote:
>>>
>>> Hm.
>>>
>>> To wish for another Big IBM as a qritique against microsoft isn't sufficient
>>> to open up the market in a competitive state.
>>>
>>> MS Office offer alot that no one else offer.
>>
>>Bzzzt! wrong.
>>
>>Star Office
>>WordPerfect Office
>>and soon, KOffice
>>
>>The ony thing MS-Office provides is a certificate of monopoly-ware-icity.
>>
>
>Plus the little winking paperclip help man.
Not any more -- Microsoft has now recognized the futility of shoving
Clippy onto the public. :-)
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From: Jerry Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:33:02 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
[ ... ]
> You needn't walk over all objects; only those that are candidates for
> losing scope; as soon as scope changes you only need to check those
> that are visible in the current scope; the same applies with
> intentional reference death, you only need to check the current
> reference and it's children. Yes, this does mean you could have to
> walk over all objects -- but more often it doesn't mean anything of
> the sort.
True, but more or less irrelevant -- my point was that with (at least
most) GC systems, the time taken is related to the number living
objects, and generally a linear function. Using X as the number of
living objects, looking through .1 percent of the living objects is
obviously a lot faster than looking through all of them, but O(.001X)
is still identical to O(X). By contrast, with most manual systems,
we don't have any function of X at all -- we have a function of a
totally separate Y, which is the number of objects that have been
freed. IOW, we're trying to compare O(X) to O(Y), which is clearly
impossible without knowing something (quite a bit usually) about the
relationship between X and Y.
> [i slipped up and used the term 'object' when i wanted to keep it
> generic; but it seems appropriate]
In this sort of discussion, I generally use "object" in roughly the
way the C standard does -- basically just a piece of memory. Whether
what's stored in it is an instance of a class is basically
irrelevant; of course, when you're chasing pointers to find live
objects, it become relevant that you can identify pointers, but's
about it...
> Probably true, but we heard the same things about high-level (and 4GL)
> languages back in the 80s and early 90s. People avoided C like the
> plauge because it was so slow at certain things; it could never be as
> fast has hand-crafted assembly. Today, it's difficult to beat the
> compiler with your own assembly code
Actually, no it's not, at least in my experience. Both I, and quite
a few other denizens of comp.lang.asm.x86 routinely beat the best
compilers on the market with relative ease. It's often hard to
justify bothering, but usually fairly easy to do when there's a
reason.
> -- and now people ususally use it
> in cases where they don't want the compiler to optimize away some
> special hardware property that they are accessing.
Hmm...rarely much of an excuse, IMO. "volatile" will handle this at
least 90% of the time -- the problem there is that most people don't
know C well enough to know what volatile is or does.
> Memory managment is a mundane task that will eventually be handled
> automatically every time, in every commonly-used language.
It probably will eventually, but not anytime very soon. There are
just too many people who simply like feeling in control of things for
it to happen easily -- after all, Smalltalk's been using it for 25
years and Lisp for around 40, but Java's the first widely-used
language to use it for most purposes (though most BASICs have used it
for the string pool for quite a while).
> I think we're violently agreeing on this issue; I don't see GC as a
> bad thing in Java 2.0 -- it had some problems with Sun's Java 1.0 JVM
> to be sure,
Of course -- _I'm_ the only person who can get things perfect the
first time! <GD&R>
> but those were implementation issues coupled with too much
> beautiful architecture in the wrong places of the language (when was
> the last time you saw a garbage man wearing a dinner suit?).
Oddly enough, quite recently. Of course he was taking his wife to
dinner at the time, not collecting garbage... <G>
--
Later,
Jerry.
The Universe is a figment of its own imagination.
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From: Mark Hillary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:35:21 +0100
Dave Martel wrote:
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/18265.html>
> Missing Novell server discovered after four years
>
> Can you imagine an NT server running totally unattended for four
> years?
>
Could you imagine an NT server running totally unattended for four days let
alone years?
LOL :-)
--
Mark Hillary
Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
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From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:37:07 +1000
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> *sunbird* wrote:
> >
> > sliverdick wrote:
> >
> > > and yer wrong again fuckhead
> >
> > > sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
> >
> > does it hurt being so stupid?
> >
>
> No brain, no pain.
You sound like a Marine now!
>
>
> > sunbird
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:37:49 -0400
Rob Robertson wrote:
>
> silverback wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:22:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam A. Kersh)
> > wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > >I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the
> > >last year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
> > >redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation."
> >
> > sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
>
> Poor Glen doesn't know whether he's a Fascist (e.g., the state take-over
> of the California electricity industry) or a Communist (everything else)!
> But, that's the problem with labels; a Bloody Collectivist like Glen will
> twist and contort himself a million different ways in order to disguise
> the liberty-destroying nature of his politics.
>
> What *is* happening in America today? Are we feeling the effects of
> 'democratic socialism', 'liberal fascism', or something else entirely?
>
> From http://www.taxguru.org/politics/Commies.htm;
>
> COMMUNIST MANIFESTO
>
> Published in February 1848 by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
>
> Following are the ten measures needed for a Communist society, exactly
> as published in the English language translation.
>
> 1. Expropriation of property in land and application of all rents of
> land to public purposes.
>
> 2. A heavy progressive tax.
>
> 3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
>
> 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
>
> 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of
> a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
>
> 6. Centralization of transport in the hands of the State.
>
> 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the
> State; the bringing into cultivation of wastelands, and the
> improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
>
> 8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial
> armies, especially for agriculture.
>
> 9. Combination of agriculture with industry, promotion of the gradual
> elimination of the contradictions between town and countryside.
>
> 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of
> children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of
> education with industrial production, etc.
>
>
> The constitution of the United States is currently an odd admixture
> of fascism, socialism, and resilient pockets of laissez-faire capitalism.
> It defies an easy categorization because many of the previous forms of
> collectivism have transformed themselves, as these freedom-destroying
> ideologies are wont to do. That is why I refer to the current structure
> as 'AmSoc'.
Repealing the 17th Aemendment (it took the Senate out of the hands of the
state legislatures, and turned it into a super-House-of-Representatives
by mandating popular elections) is absolutely essential.
When the senate was chosen by state legislatures, the Federal
government was kept in check, and socialism had an insurmountable
wall to overcome.
If you TRULY want to see an end to the leviathan Federal Government,
then get the 17th Amendment repealed. When that happens, you'll
see that the House of Representatives will no longer have the
ability to commit such outrages such committing blackmail upon
the state legislatures by holding federal gas tax revenues
(earmarked for federal highways) hostage until they cry uncle.
>
> _
> Rob Robertson
>
> "Thus the fear of concentration camps and the resulting insight
> into the nature of total domination might serve to invalidate
> all obsolete political differentiations from right to left and
> to introduce beside and above them the politically most important
> yardstick for judging events in our time, namely: whether they
> serve totalitarian domination or not."
>
> - Hannah Arendt, _The Origins of Totalitarianism_, p. 442
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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