Linux-Advocacy Digest #568, Volume #33 Fri, 13 Apr 01 02:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. (Steve Thompson)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (Ed Allen)
Re: Big Brother Billy does it again! (Ed Allen)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: MS and ISP's (Chad Everett)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Steve Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer.
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 05:16:04 +0000
Quoting Anonymous ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> t. max dumbass:
> > Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:03:22
> > >GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Joseph Ogiba wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > This is the biggest bullshit story I ever heard. There is no demand from the
> > >> > public for a PC with Linux instead of Windows.You Linux diehards have a bug
> > >> > up your ass the size of Texas over the word MICROSOFT. If there was a demand
> > >> > Larry Ellison would start a company selling PC's with your "FREE" OS.Your
> > >> > just pissed because YOU paid $320.00 for one share of VA Linux and watched
> > >> > it drop to $3.00 today. Linux is DEAD as a consumer OS and Windows XP is the
> > >> > nail in the coffin.
> > >>
> > >> No different than you WinTroll diehards. When the great fanfare of the
> > >> rollout of WindowsXp arrives into town like a cheap carnival will we
> > >> know for sure if it really is all that it can be.
> > >
> > >i'm no more loyal to microsoft than i am to any other business. [...]
> >
> > Do you always defend a company's right to rip off their customers,
>
> i defend a company's right to sell products on whatever terms they can
> negotiate with vendors and consumers. if i as a consumer dislike those
> terms i can take my business elsewhere.
> however all things considered i consider windows to be a real bargain.
>
> > then,
> > and break the law?
>
> the law, dear sir, is a beast.
For some strange reason, I initially read that as:
"the law, dear sir, is a breast."
which must indicate some sort of cognitive defect on my part since breasts are
often attractive, evolved for a useful purpose, and require minimal support to
keep them from sagging due to the deleterious effects of gravity and age.
Um... Carry on.
Regards,
Steve
--
Now where did I put those wine glasses?
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 06:01:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said mlw in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:33:14 -0400;
>>Anonymous wrote:
>>>
>>> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > Anything with a command line is easier to learn, of course, because it
>>> > is simpler
>>
>>The GUI vs CLI debate rages on. At issue is "easier to learn" vs "easier to
>>use." The problem with this is that is is different based on the application
>>you are using.
>
>There is no debate. Just people with confused opinions, and people who
>appreciate both. Sorry, Mark, at issue in the statement above is not
>any argument about what "easier to learn" is or means or relates to
>"use". That is simply a category error. It's possible that, had jackie
>not stripped it of all context, you still would not have realized that,
>but nevertheless, I made the statement, so I know what it means. And it
>means what it says, and there is no room for debate. Memorizing a
>string of text might seem like rocket science to some people, but it is
>simpler than pages and pages of "now go here" instructions, every time.
>
But think how much easier it is to turn out a thousand page book when
seventy percent of it consists of screenshots of the next pop-up.
And the author gets to release a new one when MS changes the appearance
of the mythical single GUI yet again.
If it is so intuitive why do they keep changing it ? Does what is
intuitive mutate like a virus ?
--
Linux -- The Unix defragmentation tool.
------------------------------
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Big Brother Billy does it again!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 06:01:02 GMT
In article <9b52dg$58h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Dave Martel wrote:
>
>> Here we go again, folks! From the Wall Street Journal:
>>
>> <http://www.canoe.ca/MoneyWSJ/wsj2-dow.html>
>
>[cut]
>
>> There's much more of interest in the article, including MS's claim
>> that the reason they're doing this is to avoid paying a license fee
>> for a higher-quality MP3 encoder. Yeah, sure.
>
>Dont get histeric - its just their software that wont recortd MP3's. Guess
>what - it does not do it today and people still use MP3
>
>
You obviously did not read it or you would have seen...
"The industry doesn't want [MP3] pushed, and Microsoft and
RealNetworks don't want it pushed. The consumer is going to eat
what he's given," says David Farber, the former chief technologist
at the Federal Communications Commission.
So that missing recording of MP3 is part of the force feeding of more
monopoly crapware to victims who, according to you crap pushers, "have
never been harmed by the monopoly".
--
Linux -- The Unix defragmentation tool.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:06:10 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:13:15 GMT, Martin McPhillips
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:04:48 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
>> >
>> >>Hitler cut the taxes of the rich so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler raised the taxes of the poor so did raygun
>> >>Hitler cut corporate taxes so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler cut welfare programs so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler lowered unemployment payments so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler outlawed unions so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler privitized large portions of the government so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler ran on a racist program so did raygun.
>> >
>> >Typical communist tactic. Take a bunch of "who cares" similarities
>> >(hey! They both had a brain and two legs!), throw in a couple
>> >bald-faced lies, and hope that no one catches it.
>>
>> too bad little fool all raygun did once he got to the Whitehouse was
>> read the script that Hitler wrote.
>
>Let's face it Glenn, Reagan shut down that Big Home for the
>Retarded in Russia that you hoped would open a branch in
wrong again mcfly, thats the big lie all right wing morons tell. In
fact the CIA gave the unions in Poland far more credit for bringing
the end to the USSR than they did to the drooling idiot.
>Oregon and take you in, and you can't forgive him for it.
>
>I understand. Let me counsel you, Glen. Put you faith in
>Good Old McFly, and let him bring you home to the promised
>land: Mainstreaming.
***********************************************
GDY Weasel
emailers remove the spam buster
For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
*********************************************
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:06:39 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:50:55 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:04:48 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
>> >
>> >>Hitler cut the taxes of the rich so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler raised the taxes of the poor so did raygun
>> >>Hitler cut corporate taxes so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler cut welfare programs so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler lowered unemployment payments so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler outlawed unions so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler privitized large portions of the government so did raygun.
>> >>Hitler ran on a racist program so did raygun.
>> >
>> >Typical communist tactic. Take a bunch of "who cares" similarities
>> >(hey! They both had a brain and two legs!), throw in a couple
>> >bald-faced lies, and hope that no one catches it.
>>
>> too bad little fool all raygun did once he got to the Whitehouse was
>> read the script that Hitler wrote.
>
>So, Reagan killed Jews?
the drooling idiot raygun ran on a racist platform
>
>As I recall, you were pissed at him for selling weapons to Isreal.
>
>
>Or are you talking about some other Hitler....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>>
>> ***********************************************
>>
>> GDY Weasel
>> emailers remove the spam buster
>>
>> For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>>
>> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>>
>> *********************************************
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
***********************************************
GDY Weasel
emailers remove the spam buster
For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
*********************************************
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:08:04 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:14:54 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, silverback
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:14:09 GMT
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:29:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>>
>>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, silverback
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote
>>>on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:08:47 GMT
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>>take a good look around. The republiCONs are the fascists, they have
>>>>the same agenda.
>>>
>>>So give me some specifics? I'm curious.
>>
>>Hitler cut the taxes of the rich so did raygun.
>
>Ah yes, the eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil rich.
>
>I am curious as to which windfall redistribution would be better
>for the economy; it's a thought experiment I've been kicking around
>in the back of my mind for some time.
>
>Assume that the government has just magically gotten $10B by selling
>some asset -- gold, silver, truffles, oil, marijuana, securities,
>the selling of air, etc. [*]
>
>What would be the most equitable way to distribute this windfall?
>
>What would be the most profitable way to distribute this windfall?
>
>What would be the most desirable way (in the opinion of certain
>individuals: e.g., business, environmentalists, Congress,
>the American Medical Association, etc.) to distribute this windfall?
>
>What would be the best way to distribute this windfall?
>
>And...
>
>What would be the least equitable way, etc...?
>
>One can clarify the question further. Assume 100 million taxpayers,
>1 million "mom and pop" operations, 10,000 medium (large?) business owners,
>and the Fortune 100 (a subset of the Fortune 500).
>If one desires, 1 Bill Gates, the richest man in the world.
>(At least he was, a couple of years back. Larry Ellison might have
>passed by him by now.)
>
>Who should get what from this windfall, which belongs to "the people"?
>Or does it belong to the country? What precisely dies it mean?
>
>>Hitler raised the taxes of the poor so did raygun
>
>Define "poor". The middle class pay the bulk of this nation's taxes;
>I doubt if Germany was any different, really, especially if one
>defines "middle class" as "those individuals which are at most
>1 (2?) standard deviation away from the mean per-capita income".
>
>>Hitler cut corporate taxes so did raygun.
>>Hitler cut welfare programs so did raygun.
>
>"Welfare queens" is an interesting issue, admittedly. I'm not
>sure what to make of it at this time.
>
>>Hitler lowered unemployment payments so did raygun.
>>Hitler outlawed unions so did raygun.
>
>All unions, or just selected ones? The only union Reagan specifically
>dealt with is PATCO, and that was apparently because they went on
>strike.
>
>>Hitler privitized large portions of the government so did raygun.
>>Hitler ran on a racist program so did raygun.
>
>I am not aware of Reagan's racism; is there something I'm missing?
to bad raygun was very careful about coaching his welfare queen as a
black inner city woman.
>The main campaign themes I remember are "It's Morning [Again]
>In America". I highly doubt any candidate would want to run on
>a racist platform -- although Pat Buchanan tried, by suggesting
>we should construct a wall between ourselves and Mexico. But,
>to put it delicately, I don't think Pat has the totality of his
>small glassy round spheres. :-)
>
>>
>>and theres more
>>
>>
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>--
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
>>>EAC code #191 5d:17h:19m actually running Linux.
>>> This space for rent.
>>
>>***********************************************
>>
>>GDY Weasel
>>emailers remove the spam buster
>>
>>For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>>
>>http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>>
>>*********************************************
>
>[*] One possibility, although it didn't result in nearly that much
> revenue, was the auction of certain frequencies by the FCC.
> This was definitely a one-time thing.
>
>--
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
>EAC code #191 6d:10h:19m actually running Linux.
> I'm here, you're there, and that's pretty much it.
***********************************************
GDY Weasel
emailers remove the spam buster
For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
*********************************************
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Apr 2001 00:54:53 -0500
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:22:17 -0400, JS PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said JS PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:42:54 -0400;
>> [...]
>> >MS holds no "right" to be on all computers, but my power company holds
>the
>> >"right" to be my sole supplier of electricity. That is a true monopoly.
>[...]
>>
>> Sounds more like a true public utility. Tell me, is this "right" that
>> they have something they always have by their nature, or something which
>> is imbued unto them from outside?
>
>It doesn't matter. They are the lawfully granted the right to be the sole
>supplier of electricity. No one else may sell electricity in their area. A
>person who puts up a windmill, or any type of generator may not sell the
>electricity they produce, except back to the monopoly holder in my area. And
>I like the term "sell back" as if it was once and is always theirs. That is
>a true monopoly.
>
You're forgetting a crucial detail there pal. If they are granted this right
in the manner you describe, then there also exists a government entity called
a public utilities commission (or something similar) that acts as an oversite
over the company. The government agency has the power to dictate what the
company may and may not do, what they can charge for their product or service,
it can fine the company for violations or actions that it deems is bad for
the consumer, etc., etc.
Are you suggesting that a similar government oversite be done for Microsoft?
Sounds like you are.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:09:23 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:23:41 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>sliverdick wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:35:37 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >sliverdick wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:22:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam A. Kersh)
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (sliverdick) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:35:21 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Mathew wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Sam A. Kersh wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sliverdick) wrote:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:24:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >>>> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>>> > >
>> >> >>>> > >>Goldhammer wrote:
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
>> >> >>>> > >>> Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
>> >> >>>> > >>> >the economy,
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> Hmm. Sounds like communism.
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >>Precisely.
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >>Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
>> >> >>>> > >
>> >> >>>> > >bullshit you lying sack of shit. Fascism is the polar opposite of
>> >> >>>> > >communism. They have nothing in common.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > both are built on state control of the economy and setting certain
>> >> >>>> > groups up as elitists leaders. Germany had Hitler; Italy has Mussolini
>> >> >>>> > and russia had Stalin.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> So notorious Latin American, fascist dictators, such as Pinochet,were
>> >> >>>> really communists.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Spot the strawman....
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>You don't seem to get it, do you
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Communism and Nazism are ideological "kissing cousins".
>> >> >>
>> >> >>nope
>> >> >
>> >> >I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the last
>> >> >year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
>> >>
>> >> and yer wrong again fuckhead
>> >>
>> >> >redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation." Falsely call
>> >>
>> >> sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
>> >
>> >So you would have no problem with your grocer charging you more
>> >for a pound of ground beef every time you get a raise.
>> >
>>
>> sorry fuckhead beef purchases is not taxation.
>
>But, according to you totalitarian-collectivists, my tax money is used to
>purchase "governance". Why should those who are most productive, and
so fuckhead the rich are not more productive. Overall all they are
better at is stealing from the poor.
>not causing problems, pay more for government, most of which is for
>the benefit of those who are lazy, unproductive, and troublemakers.
>
>Oh...yes, I forgot...becuase the thought of not getting your
>welfare check and having to work for once in your life scares
>the shit out of you...doesn't it sliverdick monkey-boy, PARASITE
>
>
>
>> Anyone making over 500K
>> needs to be taxed at 95% with zero deductions.
>
>
>Translation: Sliverdick monkeyboy knows, deep inside, that he is
>utterly incapable of EVER doing anything that would convince someon
>to pay him even $100K/year
>
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
***********************************************
GDY Weasel
emailers remove the spam buster
For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
*********************************************
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:11:17 GMT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:57:32 -0400, Rob Robertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> Rob Robertson wrote:
>>
>> > silverback wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sam A. Kersh wrote:
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >> > I've come to the conclusion based on silverback's posts over the
>> >> > last year that he is a closet communist. He touts "welfare" aka
>> >> > redistribution of wealth through "progressive taxation."
>> >>
>> >> sorry progressive taxation is not redistribution
>> >
>> > Poor Glen doesn't know whether he's a Fascist (e.g., the state take-over
>> > of the California electricity industry) or a Communist (everything else)!
>>
>> too bad [Scott Erb = disingenuous fraud] I'm neither I'm a liberal.
>
> And just what are you 'liberating', Glen? You advocate the state-sponsored
>theft of 95% of the income of anyone who earns over $500,000, support a
wrong fraud a progressive tax is not theif.
>government take-over of private industry (after government regulations
>assured their bankruptcy), advocate the suppression of free speech via
>Denial of Service attacks against political enemies on the Internet and
>firehosing preachers in public spaces,...
>
> You're a Bloody Collectivist, Yeadon.
no the bloody collectivist are the fucking corporations that have
killed millions.
>
>> >But, that's the problem with labels; a Bloody Collectivist like Glen will
>> >twist and contort himself a million different ways in order to disguise
>> >the liberty-destroying nature of his politics.
>>
>> allowing corporations to price gouge consumers has nothing to do with
>> being a collectivist [Scott Erb = disingenuous fraud].
>
> The key is competition, Glen. That's what laissez-faire capitalism is
wrong again fraud they tried that bullshit once in this country. It
end in a rather spectular failure called the Great Depression.
>all about, you see; without government regulations preventing some new
>company from competing, entrepreneurs have an incentive to innovate and
>provide goods and services at a lower cost than that provided by the
>'price gougers'.
>
>> In fact the real collectivist are the fucking corporations that are
>> bleeding the people.
>
> No corporation tells me to put down a 10X 'scope probe and pick up a
wrong again fraud
>shovel to dig a canal, or dig potatoes out of the fields. I'm free to
>do what I want, as long as idiotic government regulations aren't out
>to deprive me of my freedom (or electricity!).
>
> And while you're here, why aren't you using a small, inexpensive wind
>mill for all your electricity needs at home?
>
>> > What *is* happening in America today? Are we feeling the effects of
>> >'democratic socialism', 'liberal fascism', or something else entirely?
>> >
>> >
>> >From http://www.taxguru.org/politics/Commies.htm;
>> >
>> >
>> >COMMUNIST MANIFESTO
>> >
>> >Published in February 1848 by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
>> >
>> >Following are the ten measures needed for a Communist society, exactly
>> >as published in the English language translation.
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. Expropriation of property in land and application of all rents of
>> > land to public purposes.
>> >
>> > 2. A heavy progressive tax.
>> >
>> > 3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
>> >
>> > 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
>> >
>> > 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of
>> > a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
>> >
>> > 6. Centralization of transport in the hands of the State.
>> >
>> > 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the
>> > State; the bringing into cultivation of wastelands, and the
>> > improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
>> >
>> > 8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial
>> > armies, especially for agriculture.
>> >
>> > 9. Combination of agriculture with industry, promotion of the gradual
>> > elimination of the contradictions between town and countryside.
>> >
>> > 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of
>> > children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of
>> > education with industrial production, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > The constitution of the United States is currently an odd admixture
>> >of fascism, socialism, and resilient pockets of laissez-faire capitalism.
>> >It defies an easy categorization because many of the previous forms of
>> >collectivism have transformed themselves, as these freedom-destroying
>> >ideologies are wont to do. That is why I refer to the current structure
>> >as 'AmSoc'.
>
>_
>Rob Robertson
>
>
> "Thus the fear of concentration camps and the resulting insight
> into the nature of total domination might serve to invalidate
> all obsolete political differentiations from right to left and
> to introduce beside and above them the politically most important
> yardstick for judging events in our time, namely: whether they
> serve totalitarian domination or not."
>
> - Hannah Arendt, _The Origins of Totalitarianism_, p. 442
***********************************************
GDY Weasel
emailers remove the spam buster
For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
*********************************************
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list by posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
