Linux-Advocacy Digest #592, Volume #33 Sat, 14 Apr 01 02:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Windows commits suicide. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Thore B. Karlsen)
Windows commits suicide ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Article: Windows XP won't support USB 2.0 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Article: Windows XP won't support USB 2.0 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Article: Windows XP won't support USB 2.0 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Impact of Internet ("2 + 2")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Windows commits suicide.
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:10:48 -0400
Michel Catudal wrote:
>
> "pete_answers@x" a �crit :
> >
> > I really have no idea what people see in all these Unix variations
> > of operating systems. They are good for servers, in the back room
> > for geek to use. The rest of the world uses windows becuase it juts
> > works!
>
> At work a collegue just got himself a new PC to replace the his old one after the
>last
> crash (from about 3.5 feet). Pentium IV running at 1.3GHz. He tried to install
> Star Office forgetting that Office 2000 and Visio were running in the background.
> A page fault on the install occured. He then closed the offending programs, one of
>them
> had to be flushed with the ctrl alt del command. After the programs all closed he
> proceeded on installing Star Office which succeeded.
> He then rebooted the PC and the message "no operating system present" appears.
> I boot on a windblows 98 diskette and the drive seems there. I run partition magic
> and the partition is still active. It seemed that Windblows 98 committed suicide.
> It's boot was shot. The recovery was to put a recovery CD in the drive and reinstall
> winblows. The PC was bought last week.
>
> And you say : "It just works" with a straight face.
Behold "ease of use"
>
> Ya been sniffing flour?
>
> --
> Tired of Microsoft's rebootive multitasking?
> then it's time to upgrade to Linux.
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat
> We have all kinds of links
> and many SuSE 7.0 Linux RPM packages
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Thore B. Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
24hoursupport.helpdesk,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:17:39 -0500
On 13 Apr 2001 23:52:40 +0100, Nix <$}xinix{[email protected]> wrote:
>> The point is that in emacs I _have_ to write functions to
>> make it liveable, whereas in other editors I can get by with just
>> fiddling with a few options.
>What do you find unliveable? It sounds like your ideal editor differs in
>major ways from the Emacs defaults, in which case you --- or *somebody*
>--- probably would have to write some code. (But it would only have to
>be done once.)
I don't know which newsgroup you're reading this in, but I did mention
some of the things that annoy me about emacs in comp.editors. c-mode is
the biggest annoyance.
>> M-x customize in emacs is not enough, but in vim I can get by with only
>>:options.
>Not enough for what? What do you want to do? If your ideal editor is
>just like vi, use vi; vi will always be a better vi than Emacs. (But
>Emacs can be a better vi than vi can be an Emacs, IYSWIM. Emacs is far
>more flexible.)
Emacs is potentially more flexible, but also more frustrating for me.
Emacs tries to do its thing, and I can't get it to work with me easily.
That's why I do indeed use vi. (Or rather, vim.) vim is pretty much
perfect right out of the box.
--
"By the time we've finished with him, he won't know whether
he's Number Six or the cube root of infinity!"
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Windows commits suicide
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:11:18 -0400
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On 13 Apr 2001 21:21:02 -0500, Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"pete_answers@x" a �crit :
> >>
> >> I really have no idea what people see in all these Unix variations
> >> of operating systems. They are good for servers, in the back room
> >> for geek to use. The rest of the world uses windows becuase it juts
> >> works!
> >
> >At work a collegue just got himself a new PC to replace the his old one after the
>last
> >crash (from about 3.5 feet). Pentium IV running at 1.3GHz. He tried to install
> >Star Office forgetting that Office 2000 and Visio were running in the background.
> >A page fault on the install occured. He then closed the offending programs, one of
>them
> >had to be flushed with the ctrl alt del command. After the programs all closed he
> >proceeded on installing Star Office which succeeded.
> >He then rebooted the PC and the message "no operating system present" appears.
> >I boot on a windblows 98 diskette and the drive seems there. I run partition magic
> >and the partition is still active. It seemed that Windblows 98 committed suicide.
> >It's boot was shot. The recovery was to put a recovery CD in the drive and reinstall
> >winblows. The PC was bought last week.
> >
> >And you say : "It just works" with a straight face.
> >
> >Ya been sniffing flour?
> >
>
> This is easily explained by the fact that the guy had the audacity to install
> a non-Microsoft office package. Everyone knows Microsoft software is
> specifically designed to self destruct when confronted by a traitor user.
I just wanted to see that again.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Article: Windows XP won't support USB 2.0
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:13:21 -0400
Tim Kelley wrote:
>
> Dave Martel wrote:
>
> This is actually good news. USB2 is inferior to firewire as is SCSI.
>
> They will support usb 1, and there are no usb 2 devices yet anyway.
>
> USB 2.0 is intels ploy to kill firewire, which is clearly superior.
> It doesn't have anything to do with USB 1.0
>
> Hopefully firewire will kill both scsi, usb 1, and usb 2, IDE, floppy and
> parallel ports in one stroke. Firewire is something we really need.
Firewire does NOT replace SCSI.
400 Mbits/second is only 50 MBytes/second.
SCSI is at 160 MBytes/second and climbing.
>
> > <http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5558916.html>
> >
> > "The Redmond, Wash.-based software maker said it will not include
> > support for USB 2.0, the latest iteration of the universal serial bus
> > connection technology, in Windows XP, its next-generation operating
> > system expected later this year. Microsoft will instead throw its
> > support behind IEEE 1394, also known as FireWire, which was developed
> > by Apple. "
> >
> > Microsoft says it's a quality issue, which is nonsense (what -
> > Microsoft, concerned with quality? <g>). A Register article a few
> > weeks ago asserted that MS's real reason is that USB doesn't offer a
> > content-control mechanism, and 1394 does.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Tim Kelley
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Article: Windows XP won't support USB 2.0
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:13:27 -0400
Tim Kelley wrote:
>
> Dave Martel wrote:
>
> This is actually good news. USB2 is inferior to firewire as is SCSI.
>
> They will support usb 1, and there are no usb 2 devices yet anyway.
>
> USB 2.0 is intels ploy to kill firewire, which is clearly superior.
> It doesn't have anything to do with USB 1.0
>
> Hopefully firewire will kill both scsi, usb 1, and usb 2, IDE, floppy and
> parallel ports in one stroke. Firewire is something we really need.
Firewire does NOT replace SCSI.
400 Mbits/second is only 50 MBytes/second.
SCSI is at 160 MBytes/second and climbing.
>
> > <http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5558916.html>
> >
> > "The Redmond, Wash.-based software maker said it will not include
> > support for USB 2.0, the latest iteration of the universal serial bus
> > connection technology, in Windows XP, its next-generation operating
> > system expected later this year. Microsoft will instead throw its
> > support behind IEEE 1394, also known as FireWire, which was developed
> > by Apple. "
> >
> > Microsoft says it's a quality issue, which is nonsense (what -
> > Microsoft, concerned with quality? <g>). A Register article a few
> > weeks ago asserted that MS's real reason is that USB doesn't offer a
> > content-control mechanism, and 1394 does.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Tim Kelley
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Article: Windows XP won't support USB 2.0
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:13:52 -0400
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:24:12 GMT, Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Dave Martel wrote:
> >
> >This is actually good news. USB2 is inferior to firewire as is SCSI.
> >
> >They will support usb 1, and there are no usb 2 devices yet anyway.
> >
> >USB 2.0 is intels ploy to kill firewire, which is clearly superior.
> >It doesn't have anything to do with USB 1.0
>
> Superiority is in the eye of the beholder.
>
> >Hopefully firewire will kill both scsi, usb 1, and usb 2, IDE, floppy and
> >parallel ports in one stroke. Firewire is something we really need.
> >
>
> I won't complain if firewire competes with these other standards on
> the free market and wins, but it's not anybody's place to deliberately
> obstruct access to other interface standards just so they can force
> consumers to accept firewire.
USB was stupid from the get-go.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Impact of Internet
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:14:16 -0400
We have seen the rise of the internet, especially beginning with its web
phase.
The tremendous web bubble, now collapsing at least partially, can be
attributed to speculation, etc.
There is no question that, aside from a frenzy to build web sites, the
computer industry as a whole ITSELF has converged on the web, making
tremendous investments in web-related technologies.
Now is a time for sober second thoughts.
In particular, how should the value of the web be analyzed in terms of
technology, societal impact, etc.?
Some points:
1. Hardware. It is interesting to comtemplate that, given the web as circa
1994-5
(yes, I'm aware of TCP/IP's history--let the old stinky ready to do that
tiresome lecture stand down to begin with--I can hear the gas expiring: "OH
_____!!!" --wouldn't it be interesting for a change to have someone announce
the "code paths" of their knowledge and what they DON'T KNOW ___ ___ about),
that the first PC, ie low cost, servers using Pentium chips date from this
era. What are the implications of IC chip tech moving its mass market into
the domain of the server?
2. Protocols. How do we evaluate HTML/HTTP, especially the hyperlink, in the
scheme of things?
Would any run-of-the-mill programmer has invented such an easy,
user-clicked, non-programmable thing as the web page with its attendent rise
of web authoring, where specialists (bless all our ______ _____ selves) are
not needed?
3. Hype. How do we evaluate the Java phenom against the foregoing (and
XML-RPC/SOAP)?
4. Killer apps. It's been a long time since the browser hit as a killer-app.
Has the tech brains gone into some kind of Trekkie warp and fossiled, due to
some unknown combination of influences? Why the long hang time to the NEXT
GREAT THING? Is the industry in an intense battle of infrastructure-building
turf, which history will see as insignificant in the prespective of a 30-40
year period?
5. The dot-com rhetoric has often said this is a New Industrial Age of
Communication and/or Information.
Is there any substance to this? If we put the present tech crew back into
1750, would they have missed the invention of the machine? Would those that
could be supported by the non-machine economy be doing fine crafts like
programming? Or in the next 30-40 years, will there be some new programming
language and the same high sounding talk about new paradigms?
2 + 2
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:15:30 -0400
Chris Hedley wrote:
>
> In article <9b57ke$cu9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > What's worse - MUCH worse - is the ones who got Windows (including NT)
> > deployed as *servers*.
>
> What's even worse than that is oneupmanship. At a previous employ, we
> were quite happily using a couple of Linux servers, one FreeBSD and the
> odd Irix and Solaris system. Along comes a new manager and blows the
> entire budget, probably as much cost as all the other servers put together,
> on an extremely overspecced NT server. I don't know how he got the
> approval for it since it was never actually used for anything, although it
> was suspected that the reason he got it was so that he could brag to the
> manager of another department that "my NT server's bigger than yours."
> Most expensive room heater we ever bought...
Did you properly position the monitor face down, centered on,
and just a little above his shoulders?
>
> Chris.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:17:02 -0400
Chris Morgan wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Siebert) writes:
>
> > Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Siebert) writes:
> >
> > >> Even today, I'm sure a majority of corporate desktops are Windows 95 or
> > >> 98.
> >
> > >My limited experience contradicts this - it's more often Windows NT in
> > >our support calls - so could you back this up, I'm interested, perhaps
> > >our customers are unusual. Thanks
> >
> >
> > Well, I don't have any official survey results, I think we would both
> > be interested in such. But in my experience as a consultant, the places
> > I go almost always are running Win9x on their desktops. However, as I
> > do consulting in big-iron Unix systems (SAP environments, that sort of
> > thing) maybe I'm not getting a representative look.
>
> Our customers are financial professionals. On their desks it's mostly
> Windows NT judging by the problem reports we get, and something DOS
> based (95/98/ME) on their laptop. Never actually seen a bug report
> mentioning 2000 or ME so far. So I guess we can add our two
> unrepresentative samples together and conclude ... nothing ! :)
>
> So yes, some hard data would be welcome here.
That would violate Mafia$oft's End User License Agreement.
>
> >Places that bought the MS line that Win9x suddenly became unsuitable
> >for corporate desktops with the release of WinME and Win2K (i.e.,
> >when they decided that revenue from millions of upgrades would help
> >their ailing stock price) are also probably attempting to run their
> >enterprise applications on Windows :)
>
> We use NT on the desktop, but run the software that makes the money on
> Unix. The PC support teams attempts at PC servers have been pretty
> laughable.
>
> By the way, Win9X _is_ pretty unsuitable for corporate desktops, IMO,
> due to little gotchas like the single (64k?) memory area for all GDI
> resources - you may well have a gig of RAM, a 1GHz processor, a
> gazillion megs of free disk space, but run a program that leaks a few
> resources here and there and your PC will eventually crash inside the
> operating system (not very good for subsequent stability of, e.g. the
> filesystem).
>
> >
> > I'm sure MS probably will tell you that the personal version of WinXP
> > is unsuitable for corporate desktops, and that the more expensive
> > professional version should be used. Though I've never seen anything
> > listing exactly what features that the professional version will have
> > that the personal one won't, and why they are needed, to justify the
> > price differential.
>
> I would like to know too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Morgan <cm at mihalis.net> http://www.mihalis.net
> Temp sig. - Enquire within
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Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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