Linux-Advocacy Digest #666, Volume #33 Tue, 17 Apr 01 14:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux is for the lazy (Martigan)
Re: Linux is for the lazy
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Chad Everett)
Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 ("Dreamspinner3")
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (Konrad Schwarz)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 ("Big Bob")
Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 ("Stuart Binns")
Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 ("Dreamspinner3")
Re: Microsoft gets hard ("JS PL")
Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 ("Dreamspinner3")
Re: Microsoft gets hard ("JS PL")
Re: Impact of Internet ("Cagdas Ozgenc")
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From: Martigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is for the lazy
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:12:52 GMT
Brian Langenberger wrote:
<snip the stuff>
>
> I'm sure many of you can think of more, but I think the point
> is clear: if you want to add a really successful feature
> to the Unix UI, make it a feature that facilitates laziness -
> because I'm really enjoying not having to do so much work... :)
>
Well I'm sure that you know why or just plain dumb! ;-) If that is
lazzy why is the point and click method better? Is it because you can ONLY
do what the programer wants? Oh I quess that when you add a shortcut from
"start-programs-accesories-network connections-dialer" is not lazzy?" It
takes sooooooo much brain power to navigate thrue the directories. What is
it???? C:\windo[ze]ws\system\WTF\oh here it
is\drivers\GFX\win98\GFX\drivers\inf\WAI\here
Your right three letter representasions are bad. I'd rather type
everything out. So when I want to understand what a command is I dont want
to type $info blah, rather I would want to open the informaitve "HELP"
dialog box, click on the index, and type my desired command in the blank ;
resulting in a mountain of information that will directly define the uses
of said command. ;-) your right...."linux is for lazy [smart] people."
If heaven were running Windows a lot of souls would get lost in a reboot.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux is for the lazy
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:18:13 GMT
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:08:24 +0000 (UTC), Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>After some deliberation, I've come to the conclusion that Linux
>(and Unices in general) are built by the lazy, for the lazy.
>As proof of this, let's look through the whole gamut of
>UI tools.
>
You're absolutely right. Real computers use a computer that crashes
hourly.
Having data stability is just damn lazy!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 17 Apr 2001 12:05:46 -0500
On 12 Apr 2001 01:19:48 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>"Roberto Alsina" <
>>
>>> If "murder" means "unlawful kill", then since the laws of aramaic tribes
>>> in 2000BC are not at all like today's, the distinction is meaningless.
>>
>>It doesn't surprise me at all that you are unclear of what is murder.
>
>It doesn't surprise me at all that you are unclear that murder now and
>murder three thousand years ago don't mean the same thing.
>
And it now doesn't surprise any of us that you have absolutely no clue
about the meaning of "murder three thousand years ago". Your ideas
about history are such a jumbled mess that it is incredible you're
trying to reinforce your arguments about murder and killing by
referring to history.
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From: "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:20:16 -0500
Reply-To: "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Get real. Not everyone cares to hear about your kids, or what you're
teaching them. The world does not revolve around your children, or anyone
else's children for that matter! Again, you're responsible for your kids,
not us. Deal with it!
"Todd Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:wj_C6.14156$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> It's a good thing you have chosen not to reproduce.
>
> Your lack of compassion and responsibility would probably result in your
> offspring building pipe bombs to get your attention.
>
>
>
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From: Konrad Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:25:32 +0200
"Rick C. Hodgin" schrieb:
>
> >> > Just like an 8086 addressing >1MB.
> >> An 8086 cannot, under any circumstances in an IBM compatible PC address more
> >> than 1MB. Ever.
> >Yet they routinely did.
>
> They did not. They could access much more memory than 1MB because of
> features present on adapter cards that could swap out portions of <=
> 1MB memory with memory that was logically mapped beyond 1MB. But it
> was still addressed within the 1MB region.
Which was exactly Peter da Silva's point.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 17 Apr 2001 17:25:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 12 Apr 2001 01:19:48 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Roberto Alsina" <
>>>
>>>> If "murder" means "unlawful kill", then since the laws of aramaic tribes
>>>> in 2000BC are not at all like today's, the distinction is meaningless.
>>>
>>>It doesn't surprise me at all that you are unclear of what is murder.
>>
>>It doesn't surprise me at all that you are unclear that murder now and
>>murder three thousand years ago don't mean the same thing.
>
>And it now doesn't surprise any of us that you have absolutely no clue
>about the meaning of "murder three thousand years ago". Your ideas
>about history are such a jumbled mess that it is incredible you're
>trying to reinforce your arguments about murder and killing by
>referring to history.
I need to refer to history because the commandment makes no sense
if you don't.
Now, perhaps you can enlighten me in what "murder" means, when it is
said to an aramaic tribe around 1300BC (notice the change in date,
don't bother arguing it).
Unless you can answer that, trying to apply the commandment to today's
actions is an exercise in stupidity.
And no, I need not know what exactly murder meant at 1300BC to know
that it makes no sense to use the word in the current meaning, all
I need is a reasonable doubt about the meaning being the same.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Big Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:31:41 -0700
"Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9bhs3f$9hrcc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Don't expect others to censor themselves for the sake of your kids just
> because you don't want to/can't/whatever take the time to watch them on
the
> Internet.
>
Where did you come up with that? I'm talking about what's displayed on a
computer screen in subject lines in a DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY
newsgroup....digital photography...get it? Not alt.whipsandchains or
alt.billgatessucks.
No one asked anyone to watch my or anyone else's kids. It's not
unreasonable to expect to click into a DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY
newsgroup......and find discussion that is not
low-rent-yee-haw-let's-********-get-*******-drunk-and-kick-some-*******-butt
-and-git-us-some-*******-wimmin' mentality. It has nothing to do with kids
on the internet, it has to do with tacky language displayed where it doesn't
belong and common sense.
Is the term "Usenet etiquette" in your vocabulary?
Yes, he has a "right" to post it, (as long as his ISP agrees and the Usenet
servers carry it), and I also have a right to tell him what I think of it.
Big Bob
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From: "Stuart Binns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:30:13 +0100
The difference is that you wouldnt expect to see profanity on this newsgroup
my kids have digital cameras and I wouldnt want them to see f... this and
f... that all over the place
Dont get me wrong I can swear with the best of them but there are places
more appropriate than this group
"Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9bhs3f$9hrcc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Why not just killfile the guy and be done with it? Why whine here abou
it?
> And teaching your kids what is polite language is your responsibility. If
> you don't want them exposed to it, watch what they do on the Internet.
> Don't expect others to censor themselves for the sake of your kids just
> because you don't want to/can't/whatever take the time to watch them on
the
> Internet.
>
> "Big Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Am I tacky would be have been a better question (Hint: answer begins
with
> a
> > 'Y'). That's 2 fresh new entries to the blocked senders list, possibly
> more
> > to come. Nothing like telling your kids they should use polite
language,
> > then clicking on a newsgroup....digital photography no less...and
finding
> > people with so little regard for others that they can't even ask a three
> > word question without displaying their tackiness in the subject line.
And
> > then of course the 'guilt by association' of replying with subject line
> > intact.
> >
> > Kindly restrict your cross posting to newsgroups that appreciate your
> > tackiness...photographers in general tend to have a bit more class than
> > that.
> >
> > Big Bob
>
>
>
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From: "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:37:28 -0500
Reply-To: "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Did you see me swearing at all? Hmmm???? Yes, I know what this group is
about. Yes, I agree with you (suprise!!) such language as he used is
unpleasant. However, why whine about it? And you're the one who mentioned
your children.... He has a right to post here. I just ignore and/or
killfile people I don't like. I don't whine about it or try to impress my
morals upon them. I guess that is where we differ.
"Big Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9bhs3f$9hrcc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Don't expect others to censor themselves for the sake of your kids just
> > because you don't want to/can't/whatever take the time to watch them on
> the
> > Internet.
> >
>
> Where did you come up with that? I'm talking about what's displayed on a
> computer screen in subject lines in a DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY
> newsgroup....digital photography...get it? Not alt.whipsandchains or
> alt.billgatessucks.
>
> No one asked anyone to watch my or anyone else's kids. It's not
> unreasonable to expect to click into a DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY
> newsgroup......and find discussion that is not
>
low-rent-yee-haw-let's-********-get-*******-drunk-and-kick-some-*******-butt
> -and-git-us-some-*******-wimmin' mentality. It has nothing to do with
kids
> on the internet, it has to do with tacky language displayed where it
doesn't
> belong and common sense.
>
> Is the term "Usenet etiquette" in your vocabulary?
>
> Yes, he has a "right" to post it, (as long as his ISP agrees and the
Usenet
> servers carry it), and I also have a right to tell him what I think of it.
>
> Big Bob
>
>
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From: "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hard
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:38:17 -0400
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:56:26 GMT, David Ehrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >...
> >> Since you actually are or "were" classified as a Microsoft Business
> >Partner,
> >> I can safely assume that your now "extinct" like the other 32,000 that
> >he
> >> claims are now extinct, since all business partners of Microsoft are
> >> supposedly EXTINCT? Or could it be that there are really NO business
> >
> >Jeez. You've really got to cut back on your coffee! What I was saying is
> >that Microsoft's claims of x zillion business partners really don't mean
> >much since many, like me, found the programs to be worthless. I'm sure
> >there are many out there that did not bail (as we did). I was not
> >talking about extinction and, if you reread what I wrote, I doubt you
> >will even find the word there.
> >
> >Got that?
> >
>
> Don't be too hard on JS PL. He tends to make really stupid statements
> that show his poor judgement and lack of maturity. He has a real tendency
> to call names and say bad words too. This has caused him to get passed up
> by people who are choosing who to do business with.
and your a big fat baby!
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From: "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:39:41 -0500
Reply-To: "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I agree, I understand. What I am saying is that this person shouldn't
expect others to censor themselves for the sake of his kids, IF THEY ACCESS
THIS GROUP. And if he himself find such language offensive, just killfile
the offender and be done with it.
"Stuart Binns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:r5%C6.12487$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The difference is that you wouldnt expect to see profanity on this
newsgroup
> my kids have digital cameras and I wouldnt want them to see f... this and
> f... that all over the place
>
> Dont get me wrong I can swear with the best of them but there are places
> more appropriate than this group
>
>
> "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9bhs3f$9hrcc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Why not just killfile the guy and be done with it? Why whine here abou
> it?
> > And teaching your kids what is polite language is your responsibility.
If
> > you don't want them exposed to it, watch what they do on the Internet.
> > Don't expect others to censor themselves for the sake of your kids just
> > because you don't want to/can't/whatever take the time to watch them on
> the
> > Internet.
> >
> > "Big Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Am I tacky would be have been a better question (Hint: answer begins
> with
> > a
> > > 'Y'). That's 2 fresh new entries to the blocked senders list,
possibly
> > more
> > > to come. Nothing like telling your kids they should use polite
> language,
> > > then clicking on a newsgroup....digital photography no less...and
> finding
> > > people with so little regard for others that they can't even ask a
three
> > > word question without displaying their tackiness in the subject line.
> And
> > > then of course the 'guilt by association' of replying with subject
line
> > > intact.
> > >
> > > Kindly restrict your cross posting to newsgroups that appreciate your
> > > tackiness...photographers in general tend to have a bit more class
than
> > > that.
> > >
> > > Big Bob
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hard
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:43:34 -0400
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS PL wrote:
> >
> > "David Ehrens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:aFHC6.18762$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > ...
> > > > That looks pretty proportional to their claim of 32,000 worldwide!
> > >
> > > Microsoft partners include companies who have several MS-certified
> > > (MCSE, MCP, MSD) employees on staff, or who at one point were
interested
> > > in riding the Microsoft wave. I am one of the many former "paper"
> > > partners that MS had at one point. The advantages to these programs
were
> > > minimal, aside from the legitimacy that certification confers on
> > > individual technicians. For instance, we had to pay distributor prices
> > > 5-10x higher than Compaq, Dell, and Gateway for product, were
> > > continually beat up by educational "partners" who were selling product
> > > illegally at academic discount prices, and as a company outside an
urban
> > > hub, were routinely passed over (in referrals) in favor of preferred
> > > partners in major cities, in some cases in other states. It was a big
> > > disappointment. I know others who bailed out of various MS programs.
> > >
> > > I don't care if Microsoft can prove they have 500,000,000 partners.
> > > Their allegiances lie with companies in their size and weight class,
not
> > > small consulting or integration outfits.
> >
> > So before we get away from the assinine Linvocate statement that "there
is
> > ONE word for a Microsoft Business partner, extinct"
> > Since you actually are or "were" classified as a Microsoft Business
Partner,
> > I can safely assume that your now "extinct" like the other 32,000 that
he
> > claims are now extinct, since all business partners of Microsoft are
> > supposedly EXTINCT? Or could it be that there are really NO business
> > partners who are extinct, or such a small percentage that it mirrors the
> > natural rate of extinction?
> >
> > You see, it's these stupid assed statements that will be the death of
Linux.
> > Normally when someone is choosing between two people to do business
with,
> > they WON'T choose the guy that's bad mouthing and making proposterous
> > statements against the competitor. Statements like, "there's one word
> > for......." show nothing but immaturity and poor judgement. Not good
> > qualities.
> Just out of general curiousity, what is your occupation and what company
> do you work for?
I do things which truly astound and bill for it.
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From: "Cagdas Ozgenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Impact of Internet
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:19:49 +0300
With hindsight you can never go wrong. Now everyone seems to talk as if they
knew this would happen.
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