Linux-Advocacy Digest #742, Volume #33 Sat, 21 Apr 01 04:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: What's the point (GreyCloud)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Jim Richardson)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Jim
Richardson)
Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What's the point (GreyCloud)
Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Fortune passes everywhere... except Loki (Pete Goodwin)
Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:09:21 -0700
pookoopookoo wrote:
>
> > Then why does Hollywood use them a lot??
>
> That's not design =) It's a common misconception, what they do there is just
> rendering / 3d animation (I think). No actual web or print design as a
> designer would think of it =) I'm talking about actually designing a printed
> piece or a web site. Doesn't often happen in Unix. Unix is more the server /
> backend type of thing. All the frontend stuff is mostly designed on Windows
> and MacOS (not necessarily programmed on those 2 platforms, but designed).
>
> > I think my sore spot with a lot of PeeCees is the lack of ECC memory.
> > You didn't say if you had that kind of memory in your box or not. There
> > was a report by Texas Instruments on memory chips. Their conclusions
> > were to utilize ECC chips (Error detecting and Error correcting). This
> > helps in keeping the kernel from crashing from random bit failures.
> > You have to just see an SGI in action to believe it. These are awesome
> > machines.
> > I saw one demonstrated on ZDTV once. Only drawback is that it cost
> > $35k.
>
> ECC memory doesn't affect performance in any way. It's actually a little
> slower than normal memory. But It's so easy nowadays to get perfect memory,
> I see no need for extra expense of ECC unless you're running...you guessed
> it...A unix server =) But hey, I'm a designer...what do I know ; )
>
> SGI's nowadays are just expensive. As a designer, I consider even Macs
> expensive so SGI is way up there on the curve of diminishing returns (for
> your dollar). It no longer has the aura of power it once had, because now we
> have 200$ gaming cards on PC's that can put a 2500$ Oxygen graphics card
> from 1.5 years ago to abject shame. Just take a look at the new games coming
> down the pipe and the GeForce 3...It's near-movie quality rendering in
> realtime.
It's nice to know about the new cards. Can't argue there about the
price.
I thought that you were in the graphics type artist that uses 3d
animation for movies.
The part about the ECC chips has to do with the way memory cells are so
small and hold so little charge. A TI engineer explained to me that the
background radiation from the universe can sometimes change the state of
a memory cell. We used this piece of info for ionizing-radiation
environmental electronics for better reliability. I used to have an old
486 that used ECC memory with win95 on it... I was surprised to see that
it crashed only once in a blue moon compared to a machine without it.
I don't do web designs so I really can't argue on the software
availability for linux or for windows. Someone told me about PHP, but
again I wouldn't know.
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:54:49 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:34:04 +0100,
andrew harrison, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Phlip wrote:
>>
>> Proclaimed mlw from the mountaintops:
>>
>> > Jonas wrote:
>> >> MS Office offer alot that no one else offer. The overall interaction
>> >> between Microsoft products is the strenght of the company.
>> >
>> > Name one feature in MS Office that isn't offered in Star Office or Applix.
>>
>> Do they have a macro language?
>>
>StarOffice does can't say for applix
>
>Regards
>Andrew Harrison
>Enterprise IT Architect
Applix has a fairly nice macro language, open source IIRC.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:58:10 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:38:23 -0400,
Scott Erb, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>
>Jim Richardson wrote:
>
>> The keyword you are looking for is dictatorship...
>> Surely you don't expect an anarchist to approve of any state run regime?
>> or were you trying to claim that there is no similarity between fascism and
>> communism? which was the point of my post. If you wish to say that there are
>> (or were) some right leaning dictatorships as bad as the some left leaning
>> ones, I'd agree, but that doesn't make the left leaning ones any less horrible.
>
>You raise some good points -- dictatorship in the name of Allah or Jesus
>or any cause or creed shares some commonality in that centralized
>governmental power enforces the beliefs of the leaders about how their
>ideology should be implemented.
>
>Fascism and Communism as *ideologies* are very different. In practice,
>things get murky. Socialist Kurt Schumacher, who (like most Social
>Democrats) fought against Communists and Fascists in street fights in
>Weimar Germany, and then was imprisioned by fascists for 12 years, after
>which he fought against the Communist take over of East Germany, called
>Stalinists and Soviet style communism "red lacquered fascism." He
>didn't see a difference, he thought they were both fascist. Yet he was
>a proud socialist and Marxist.
>
>So the point is that we can compare ideologies (in which case fascism
>and communism are very different), governmental practices based on the
>labels given (in which case there are some similarities, though as
>fascism is an ideology based on irrationalism and anti-reason, it can
>range from Franco's conservative pro-church fascism to Hitler's rabid
>racism), or idealized views of how that ideology should look in practice
>(whereas democratic socialists regard the East bloc as opposed to their
>values). In any case, debates like these unfortunately tend to become
>ones where labels are used to insult or ridicule, rather than understand
>the differences between systems and how they function.
I don't care what you call it, I don't care what philosophy backs it, if it
initiates force, it is statism, the only question is how bad.
All governments are bad, are inherently evil, some are merely less evil than
others.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:13:02 -0400
Michael Vester wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Michael Vester wrote:
> > >
> > > "Bryant Charleston, MCSE" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey folks,
> > > >
> > > > I'm a Linux newbie and I'm reading through a few books and practicing
> > > > hands-on to learn Linux -- then Unix. A couple of the books spend quite a
> > > > bit of time addressing scripting languages like Perl and Tcl/Tk. As a newbie
> > > > to Linux, I'd like to get some feedback on how important these (or any
> > > > other) scripting languages are in the real world.
> > > >
> > > > 1) Should I skip these and continue to learn and master the basic CLI
> > > > commands FIRST, or learn them along w/the CLI?
> > >
> > > Do you mean the shell? There are several included with every Linux
> > > distribution.
> > >
> > > > 2) Which of these scripting languages are the most important?
> > >
> > > Depends on what you are doing. I invested time in learning Perl. It can do
> > > anything the shell and much, much more. Also, Perl is on just about every
> > > Unix/Linux system out there. Start at www.cpan.org
> >
> > Not in the commercial world. Also, there is a version problem with perl.
> > I can't remember where the cutoff is, but there's a backwards compatibility
> > problem (perl 4.x vs perl 5.x ???)
> >
> > In any event, anywhere you go, basic shell scripts are the foundation level
> > (all of your system initialization is done in bourne-shell scripts).
> >
> > Therefore, learning shell scripting is a higher priority than perl scripting.
> >
> > in fact, I'm a *HIGHLY* paid, high-responsibility admin, and I've only
> > had to deal with perl once, and never really did get the hang of it.
> >
> > Everywhere else, perl just adds confusion, because it's no universally known.
> > Which leads to a chicken-and-the-egg problem.
>
> Perl does have a steep learning curve. I am finally getting good at it.
The variable typing scheme reminds me of a weird combination of
Apple BASIC and Fortran, only more confusing.
> But the main point I want to emphasize is that all these scripting
> languages share many attributes. If you know one, learning another one is
> much easier. My two years of experience in the Unix world (still have
> much to learn), I have noticed that many programs use the same command
> vocabulary. Even options have common ground like -r for recursive.
correct.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > 3) Are there other important scripting languages that are also widely used
> > > > that I should be aware of?
> > > >
> > > With Unix/Linx scripting languages, learning one gives you a great
> > > foundation to learn another. And welcome to the side of light. I too was
> > > once a losedos user and tech support of losedos networks.
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the feedback!
> > > >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:13:58 -0700
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Even the more typical one:
> >
> > "I bought a copy of Linux, it worked perfectly on my computer, however,
> > now my car doesn't start, Linux is crap!"
>
> Not necessarily so farfetched. :)
>
> I fired up RedHat 5.2 I think it was, some time back. Had some problems,
> but nothing too terribly nasty - on my end. I was networked to another PC
> (the wife's) at the time, though, and weird things started happening with
> her machine, running Win98. It locked up. It wouldn't let her log in. It
> timed out constantly when accessing the internet. It was, generally
> speaking, unusable. When I nuked RH, though, her machine stopped having
> these problems and went back to normal.
>
> Since then I've run Mandrake 7.2(?) and 8.0B3 without any such problems; MDK
> is now my usual OS, although I keep WinME around for playing games. To this
> day, I have no idea _why_ running Linux on this box made hers unusable, but
> it did. Frankly, I wouldn't have thought it possible[1], and I sure as hell
> wasn't expecting that to happen, but it did.
>
> Go figger.
>
> [1] other than, say, if it were hammering the LAN so badly that nothing
> would cope with it properly... which didn't seem to be the case.
Penguins' magical powers over windoze.
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:15:37 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron Ginn
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on 20 Apr 2001 15:32:05 -0700
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> Michael Vester wrote:
> >
> >> > Depends on what you are doing. I invested time in learning Perl.
> >> > It can do anything the shell and much, much more. Also, Perl is
> >> > on just about every Unix/Linux system out there. Start at
> >> > www.cpan.org
> >
> >A perhaps pedantic example of Perl not being able to do everything a
> >shell can do...
> >
> >You can't change an environment variable other than for child
> >processes. You have to use a shell to do this.
>
> $ENV{"VARIABLE"} = 'newvalue' doesn't work?
>
> I'm curious as to whether $ENV{'INC'}, for example, can be
> set prior to a 'require "file";' or 'use package;' statement.
>
> Of course, putenv("name=value") in a C program doesn't really
> do a lot, either. :-) Unless someone calls getenv("name") later.
>
Actually, it's incredibly useful. How else would the shells
change their own environment variables?
> As another pedanticism: Perl doesn't have the ability to do
> shell-style history or line editing, AFAIK.
> (Neither does C or C++. :-) )
>
> >
> >I can't think of any others off the top of my head, though.
> >
> >--
> >"Perl is worse than Python because people wanted it worse."
> > Larry Wall, 14 Oct 1998
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 4d:16h:46m actually running Linux.
> Darn. Just when this message was getting good, too.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fortune passes everywhere... except Loki
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:08:31 GMT
>From http://lwn.net
'Finding cash has been a high priority for Draeker since last year. He says
the company knew back in December that funding wasn't becoming available
and that employees were told about the situation. "We told them they were
welcome to stay," noted Draeker, "or start to look for other jobs. A number
of people left over a period of 3 months. At that point most had gone about
as far they could with the ups and downs associated with being a start up
in a down market." Now the company is running at break even levels. Says
Draeker, "We've cut back to a size where we can sustain our operations
exclusively from sales revenue. That said, we are still looking for funding
partners."'
--
Pete
Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
Kylix: the way to go!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:21:00 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > GreyCloud wrote:
> > >
> > > "User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Dave Martel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > : <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/18265.html>
> > > > > : Missing Novell server discovered after four years
> > > >
> > > > > : "...the University of North Carolina has finally located one of its
> > > > > : most reliable servers - which nobody had seen for FOUR years...One of
> > > > > : the University's Novell servers had been doing the business for years
> > > > > : and nobody stopped to wonder where it was until some bright spark
> > > > > : realised an audit of the Campus network was well overdue...Attempts to
> > > > > : follow network cabling to find the missing box led to the discovery
> > > > > : that maintenance workers had sealed the server behind a wall."
> > > >
> > > > > : Can you imagine an NT server running totally unattended for four
> > > > > : years?
> > > >
> > > > > In the computer world, that's tantamount to discovering the remains of
> > > > > Pompeii. Except that it was still working! Now, the motive of discovery was
> > > > > Microshit and software audits. Were it not for the BSA, that lone server
>would
> > > > > have continued until the hardware died, humming away the years like the
> > > > > Energiser Rabbit. That is some good uptime, 4 years entombed in a room that
> > > > > was sealed off like the dead Pharohs of Old Egypt.
> > > >
> > > > Gee, here at NCSU, I just took down an old AIX 1 server (IBM Model
> > > > 80/386) that had been up continuously from 1989 through 2000 after the
> > > > Y2K rollover (it was even Y2K compliant). Mostly it was put out to
> > > > pasture for no good reason, except to drop a sparc in its place.
> > > > During 12 years of operation, its only problem was one HD bellyup.
> > > >
> > > > My NT4 box, well, it regularly bluescreens me, at least once a month,
> > > > for no good reason.... such fun....
> > > >
> > > > There is something to be said for something as ```remains of Pompeii''
> > > > in serverdom... if it works, don't muck it up with that other pointy
> > > > clicky thingie that bluescreens you to boredom....
> > > >
> > > > Good ol' *nix runs forever......
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > > That's pretty much true. There was survey FWIW between IBM S/390,
> > > AS/400 users and UNIX users as which O/S was the most reliable. It
> > > varied of course but most put in UNIX as the most reliable, while some
> > > AS/400 users said that the S/390 was the best. IBM is now claiming 35
> > > years guaranteed uptime.... I don't know how that could be determined.
> >
> > IBM has some pretty esoteric technology, with load-balancing among
> > CPU's etc. I'm quite confident that multiple CPU's within an AS/400
> > or S/390 could crash and reboot without ANY process being harmed
> > in the slightest...and the operators never even being aware of it.
> >
>
> I forgot about that part. It doesn't surprise me tho about IBM.
Deep within IBM, even during IBM's worst customer-abusing years,
there have always been islands of utter brilliance.
When I was in college, I vowed that I would do everything I could
to help bring about the demise of IBM for the same type of behaviors
now exhibited by Mafia$oft.
I have since taken that back, as their current CEO, when he was hired,
said that the FIRST thing they had to do was to start serving their
CUSTOMER'S interests (for a change)...which is one of the reasons
why so much resources are going into Linux...AIX was specifically
designed to aid IBM at the detriment of the customer (changing the
names and internal structures of system config files makes administrator's
scripts written for AIX useless on Sun and HP, and vice-versa.)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:22:35 -0400
Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> MH wrote:
> >
> > If you work on something for two hours on any system and don't save it every
> > few minutes you're getting your due.
> >
> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9bnkg3$a8qhr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > The problem is not that Windows or Office are bad software. They aren't.
> > > > Windows and Office are both fabulous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes I particularly love the way it regularly crashes just when you are
> > > about to save the past 2 hours work and lose it all - great feature that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> That is ridiculous.
>
> Previously, when I was using OS/2, I had DeScribe as my main
> wordprocessor. I had autosave turned off, never did intermediate saves
> and I _never_ lost more than an average of five words in a document I
> was working on. Sure, DeScribe would crash occasionally (this seems
> inevitable these days with application software), but every time it
> would come back up with the unsaved document restored to within a
> maximum of ten words or so. OS/2 simply never crashed.
>
> On linux, I use Applix Office, which seems to have implemented the same
> feature: I still don't have autosave enabled, I stubbornly refuse to do
> intermediate saves, and on the rare occasion that Applix throws in the
> towel (sofar once, due to a dodgy embedded WPG-graphic), my document
> simply comes up again.
>
> I know I keep repeating myself, but it sure looks like the Windows users
> of this world are _very_ easily pleased. Personally, I like software
> that considers _my_ work as the most important part.
Ignorant people are easily amused by 50-year old technology.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
> ==============================================================
> "You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
> ==============================================================
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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