Linux-Advocacy Digest #750, Volume #33           Sat, 21 Apr 01 08:13:04 EDT

Contents:
  Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1 (mlw)
  Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthias Warkus)
  Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthias Warkus)
  Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthias Warkus)
  Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthias Warkus)
  What to do with Bill Clinton (was Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)) (Ace 
Agincourt)
  Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1 (Matthew Gardiner)
  Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthew Gardiner)
  Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: What to do with Bill Clinton (was Re: OT: Treason (was Re:  ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: What's the point ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Red Hat has become scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:48:39 -0400

Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Gardiner says...
> > >
> > ><snype>.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> A cynic would conclude that you're burying your head in the sand. A 44% spike in
> > >> a deflating market, dot.com collapse and all, cannot be attributed to
> > >> "upgrades".
> > >>
> > >> Were you a Lotus executive in a previous life ? :-)
> > >
> > >Nope, I wasn't a Lotus executive. I'd be interested who their big
> > >customers were, also, if they were new, what did they migrated from, and
> > >how many were upgrades and how many of them were new sales.  It is very
> > >easy to give xyz figures, however, unless you have any basis for you
> > >assumptions, then I suggest that you keep your trap shut.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > One can come to a conclusion that even a 2-hour session with MS accountants
> > would leave you "unconvinced".
> 
> It would have nothing to do with that.  If Microsoft listed the
> companies they have converted from, say Oracle to SQL then it would have
> been a thing to crow about, however, they have shown no list, hence,
> their sales figures are nothing more than sales hype.

I have yet to see a convincing case for Microsoft SQl. If you need big and bad,
you go oracle. If you want simple and small, you go mysql, if you want
midrange, go Postgres.

What value, over the above listing, does MS SQL bring to the table that the
above does not?

-- 
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:05:09 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:13:14 -0500...
...and Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  The US is very competitive and attracts the brightest minds from
>  around the world.

Yeah. After all, there is a distinct shortage of US-born US citizens
who are able to grasp the heliocentric system and can successfully
recognise the shape of their mother country on a map. Better bring
some bright foreigners in.

mawa
-- 
Motorbremser!
M�ckenm�rder!
M�dchenzeuger!
R�ckenschl�fer!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:00:42 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:11:11 -0500...
...and WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  If you are to continue making disparaging comments about America and her 
>  people at least do so with correct spelling and sentence structure.

Heh, this would make for a great signature for me:

"Proudly making disparaging comments about America and her people with
correct spelling and sentence structure since 1998."

>  In other words, you are not exactly making New Zealand look like the
>  educational mecca of the world.

;)

mawa
-- 
Zehnfingertipper!
Zeitungsfalter!
Zeltheizer!
Zentralverriegler!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:03:22 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:53:37 +1200...
...and Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >It
> > > is one thing helping a country, it is another thing to tell a country
> > > what to do.
> > 
> > Fuck that! I guess that you would not pass comment on Nazi Germany if
> > you were back then.
>  
>  I would, however, its funny the US never did anything about during the
>  15 years of hell in Germany.

Huh? If you mean the Nazi tyranny, that was a mere 12 years, and hell
yes, the US did something about it -- late, but they did. They helped
give us a goddamn democracy, after all.

mawa
-- 
D�nnschlauchberegner!
Trommelbremser!
Hartplatzparker!
Buchr�ckenbruchvermeider!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:58:23 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:15:40 -0500...
...and B. R. Ivy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Does anyone out there think that Red Hat is moving towards a proprietory OS?
>  I really appreciated the way that RH 7.0 installed but it almost seemed too
>  slick.  And now they want to bundle in the way too pretty Nautilus GUI with
>  7.1.

Which makes anything proprietary how?

What is your point, my dear friend? None, it seems to me.

mawa
-- 
Zehnfingertipper!
Zeitungsfalter!
Zeltheizer!
Zentralverriegler!

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From: Ace Agincourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: What to do with Bill Clinton (was Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism))
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:50:31 +0100

Hi Aaron,

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:22:12 -0400, 
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing:

? Ace Agincourt wrote:
? > 
? > Hi Don,
? > 
? > On 21 Apr 2001 01:26:52 GMT,
? > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
? > put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing:
? > 
? > ? On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:11:05 +0100, Ace Agincourt wrote:
? > ? > Hi Roberto,
? > ?
? > ? > Serbia was at war with the Kosovas.  Are you claiming that the mass
? > ? > murders did not occur.
? > ?
? > ? They are mass *murders* only if they are war *crimes*, ie they are
? > ? unlawful even in the context of war. Are you claiming the mass murders
? > ? were not war crimes ?
? > 
? > Should, then, Lord Walworth have been tried for war crimes after he
? > murdered Wat Tyler?  Who would have intervened in England's private
? > affairs?
? > 
? > ?
? > ? > Also, Hitler went to war against the Jews.
? > ? > Are you a holocaust denier?
? > ?
? > ? The NAZIs were tried as war *criminals*, meaning their killings were found
? > ? to be unlwaful.
? > 
? > Under whose authority?  Should Bill Clinton be forced to stand trial
? > for his war crimes: the bombing of a Sudanese Pharmaceutical plant and
? 
? Yes.
? 
? He should also be put on trial for Treason. 
? 
? And sentanced to hanging by his testicles.


Don't you think hanging by testicles is too good for him?


? 
? 
? > the associated maimings, and the bombing of an Afghan youth training
? > centre and its associated murders?
? > 
? > Best wishes, Ace.
? > 
? > ====================
? > 
? > This story shall the good man teach his son;
? > And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
? > From this day to the ending of the world.



Best wishes, Ace.

====================

This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
>From this day to the ending of the world.

------------------------------

From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:49:20 +1200

> I have yet to see a convincing case for Microsoft SQl. If you need big and bad,
> you go oracle. If you want simple and small, you go mysql, if you want
> midrange, go Postgres.
> 
> What value, over the above listing, does MS SQL bring to the table that the
> above does not?

2 Tonnes of hype, bloat and bugs? those are the "good aspects" MS SQL
has.

Matthew Gardiner

-- 
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)

If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself

Running SuSE Linux 7.1

The best of German engineering, now in software form

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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:54:13 +1200

Matthias Warkus wrote:
> 
> It was the Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:53:37 +1200...
> ...and Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >It
> > > > is one thing helping a country, it is another thing to tell a country
> > > > what to do.
> > >
> > > Fuck that! I guess that you would not pass comment on Nazi Germany if
> > > you were back then.
> >
> >  I would, however, its funny the US never did anything about during the
> >  15 years of hell in Germany.
> 
> Huh? If you mean the Nazi tyranny, that was a mere 12 years, and hell
> yes, the US did something about it -- late, but they did. They helped
> give us a goddamn democracy, after all.
Names of dictators that killed thousands, yet, not one word from the US:

Pol Pot
Alberto Penche
Stalin

If you are going to jump up on ya soap box and declare war on those who
oppress the masses, please do it consistency.

Matthew Gardiner

-- 
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)

If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself

Running SuSE Linux 7.1

The best of German engineering, now in software form

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:56:39 -0400

billh wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> 
> > Tell us again...just for the record.
> 
> It is recorded.  Find it, wannabe.
> 
> BTW, I always drew HFP $300 increments.  I seriously doubt you have a clue
> as to why.  If you're careful and use a few brain cells you'll be able to
> determine why from my original posted.  You'll also be able to determine
> exactly how the exact amount of my income protected by the Combat Zone
> Exclusion to Taxes.  You're pathetic, KuKu.  Simply pathetic.


Your coyness is unbecoming, coward.



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

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K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:04:32 +0100

"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> 
> Michael Vester wrote:
> >
> > "Bryant Charleston, MCSE" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey folks,
> > >
> > > I'm a Linux newbie and I'm reading through a few books and practicing
> > > hands-on to learn Linux -- then Unix. A couple of the books spend quite a
> > > bit of time addressing scripting languages like Perl and Tcl/Tk. As a newbie
> > > to Linux, I'd like to get some feedback on how important these (or any
> > > other) scripting languages are in the real world.
> > >
> > > 1) Should I skip these and continue to learn and master the basic CLI
> > > commands FIRST, or learn them along w/the CLI?
> >
> > Do you mean the shell? There are several included with every Linux
> > distribution.
> >
> > > 2) Which of these scripting languages are the most important?
> >
> > Depends on what you are doing. I invested time in learning Perl. It can do
> > anything the shell and much, much more. Also, Perl is on just about every
> > Unix/Linux system out there.  Start at www.cpan.org
> 
> Not in the commercial world.  Also, there is a version problem with perl.
> I can't remember where the cutoff is, but there's a backwards compatibility
> problem  (perl 4.x vs perl 5.x ???)
> 
> In any event, anywhere you go, basic shell scripts are the foundation level
> (all of your system initialization is done in bourne-shell scripts).
> 
> Therefore, learning shell scripting is a higher priority than perl scripting.
> 
> in fact, I'm a *HIGHLY* paid, high-responsibility admin, and I've only
> had to deal with perl once, and never really did get the hang of it.
> 
> Everywhere else, perl just adds confusion, because it's no universally known.
> Which leads to a chicken-and-the-egg problem.
> 

perl does take a bit of getting used to, but it can be kind of handy. 
For example, if you have deal with windows machines and macs, perl is
very good for messing with text formats to pass between the machines.

-- 
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What to do with Bill Clinton (was Re: OT: Treason (was Re: 
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:02:49 -0400

Ace Agincourt wrote:
> 
> Hi Aaron,
> 
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:22:12 -0400,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing:
> 
> ? Ace Agincourt wrote:
> ? >
> ? > Hi Don,
> ? >
> ? > On 21 Apr 2001 01:26:52 GMT,
> ? > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
> ? > put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing:
> ? >
> ? > ? On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:11:05 +0100, Ace Agincourt wrote:
> ? > ? > Hi Roberto,
> ? > ?
> ? > ? > Serbia was at war with the Kosovas.  Are you claiming that the mass
> ? > ? > murders did not occur.
> ? > ?
> ? > ? They are mass *murders* only if they are war *crimes*, ie they are
> ? > ? unlawful even in the context of war. Are you claiming the mass murders
> ? > ? were not war crimes ?
> ? >
> ? > Should, then, Lord Walworth have been tried for war crimes after he
> ? > murdered Wat Tyler?  Who would have intervened in England's private
> ? > affairs?
> ? >
> ? > ?
> ? > ? > Also, Hitler went to war against the Jews.
> ? > ? > Are you a holocaust denier?
> ? > ?
> ? > ? The NAZIs were tried as war *criminals*, meaning their killings were found
> ? > ? to be unlwaful.
> ? >
> ? > Under whose authority?  Should Bill Clinton be forced to stand trial
> ? > for his war crimes: the bombing of a Sudanese Pharmaceutical plant and
> ?
> ? Yes.
> ?
> ? He should also be put on trial for Treason.
> ?
> ? And sentanced to hanging by his testicles.
> 
> Don't you think hanging by testicles is too good for him?


That depends on whether you tie a noose around his testicles...or use
300-pound test fishing line, stitched THROUGH his testicles.



> 
> ?
> ?
> ? > the associated maimings, and the bombing of an Afghan youth training
> ? > centre and its associated murders?
> ? >
> ? > Best wishes, Ace.
> ? >
> ? > ====================
> ? >
> ? > This story shall the good man teach his son;
> ? > And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
> ? > From this day to the ending of the world.
> 
> Best wishes, Ace.
> 
> ====================
> 
> This story shall the good man teach his son;
> And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
> From this day to the ending of the world.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:05:36 -0400

GreyCloud wrote:
> 
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Roy Culley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > When talking about your file system, there shouldn't be *ANY* bugs.  MS
> > is
> > > > very loathe to make changes to it's file system, and when it does, it
> > spends
> > > > eons testing them.  FAT32 started testing before Windows 95 came out,
> > but
> > > > didn't actually appear in a product until nearly 2 years later.
> > > >
> > > > Any possible bug in your filesystem should scare the living hell out of
> > you.
> > > > One bug can corrupt your entire disk.
> > >
> > > You really are an obstreperous bastard. The reason why reiserfs was
> > > not incorporated into the first 2.4.0 release was not because of bugs.
> >
> > Really?  Explain why 2.4.2 has a Reiserfs bug fixed.
> >
> > Explain why 2.4.3 has not zero, not one, but THREE bugs regarding the
> > Reiserfs fixed?
> >
> > Explain why 2.4.4 pre-4 has a Reiserfs bug fixed in it so far.
> >
> > > SuSE, a major contributor to reiserfs development, has been using it
> > > on their servers for a long time. They have provided it with their
> > > distributions for a long time. On the SuSE mailing list many people
> > > would ask if reiserfs is stable enough. SuSE people themselves replied
> > > saying they used it on servers with huge partitions and that it was
> > > rock solid.
> >
> > It may be "rock solid" in the vast majority of circumstances, but you can't
> > predict when you will become the exception to the rule.
> >
> > > To say that MS is loath to release critical software
> > > before doing eons of testing has to be one of the biggest jokes
> > > ever. MS hasn't given a toss about quality until the Internet became a
> > > big thing. They are now producing a fairly reliable operating system
> > > but only after the huge embarrassment of so many bugs being made
> > > public via the Internet.
> >
> > MS's file systems have always been rock solid.  They take the file system as
> > a very important piece of the puzzle.
> 
> Oh Really??  Then why do you have run scandisk all the time before doing
> a defrag??
> Why does this have to be done once a week at least to keep things on an
> even keel??
> Looks like some bugs to me.

Come on..don't you know that ALL features have 6 legs and need to be
rescued from Roach Motels.



> 
> --
> V


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:07:58 -0400

Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> 
> <snype>
> > Yeah...BECAUSE OF THE FOREIGN COMPETITION, you ignorant git...
> >
> > And then Lee Iococca came along, and said 'the only way we can
> > survive is if we start IMPROVING OUR PRODUCTS!"
>
> Geeze, that must of been a shocking statement in Detroit

"Shocking" is an understatement.

At that time, Cadillac had THE WORST ASSEMBLY QUALITY of the entire
General Motors corporation.



> 
> We used to have assembly plants in New Zealand, we got rid of the
> tariffs, and instead of trying to compete with cheap Japanese imports,
> we focused in areas where we can compete, such as high quality clothing
> and agriculture.
> 
> Matthew Gardiner
> 
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
> 
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
> 
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
> 
> The best of German engineering, now in software form


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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