Linux-Advocacy Digest #280, Volume #34 Mon, 7 May 01 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Shared library hell (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing? (GreyCloud)
Re: Article: AOL in cahoots with Compaq, HP to derail WinXP, .NET? (GreyCloud)
Re: Apple is doing a good thing (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) ("Tom
Wilson")
Re: Linux books (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Windows makes good coasters (John Travis)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (John Travis)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (John Travis)
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Subject: Re: Shared library hell
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:11:37 GMT
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So linux does not suffer from shared library hell?
Not in my experience, no.
> Symbolic linking gets round this problem, I'm told.
More like a bit of discipline when naming and numbering libraries.
> However, say I have libqt.so.2.2.4 and libqt.so.2.3.0. Both would be
> symbolically linked as libqt.so.2 - so unless an application links directly
> to each individual version, it may get the wrong version.
Ignoring the fact that it's a C++ library - these should be installed
with links from
libqt.so.2.2 -> libqt.so.2.2.4
and libqt.so.2.3 -> libqt.so.2.3.0
and libqt.so -> libqt.so.2 -> either of them (usually the newest)
Now, while the above mentioned discipline requires a new major number
when interfaces change (thus 2.2 and 2.3 ought to be compatible),
applications can still specify e.g. libqt 2.2 and use the first link,
2.2.4 or whatever minor number you install.
Or they can just specify libqt, and probably run into problems.
> You would think that libqt.so.2.2.4 is older than libqt.so.2.3.0 - however,
> there's a difference. One was built with an _older_ version of gcc - 2.3.0!
> So how does Linux cope with this?
That gcc (actually, g++) isn't binary compatible across versions is a
problem. Hopefully, the RSN gcc 3.0 will fix this for good, but one
thing Microsoft deserves a bit of credit for, is standardising a
linking scheme for C++ on their platform.
It is also a valid criticism of some Linux vendors that they are a bit
too eager to ship unreleased compilers, and thus break compatibility.
Basically - if this really is a problem - you can either recompile the
application, or do tricks with library loading (LD_PRELOAD).
Recompliing isn't so hard anymore, since distributions ship source
packages now.
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing?
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:10:32 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Jasper wrote:
> >
> > The problem is simply that Microsoft is continuing to develop products
> ^^^^^^^
> You misspelled "STEAL"
>
> > at a rather frightening rate. Every month we see a new version of
> > software being released or an assault on an area of computing
> > previously thought to be out of the grasp of Microsoft. This
> > generates media interest and also targets for the bashers to focus on.
> >
> > The year 2001 for Linux?
> >
> > The new kernel release hardly made a ripple - except for a host of bug
> > reports. The IBM deal looks great - but how long can you advocate
> > something when no one really knows what IBM plan to do with Linux.
> > Will it just replace AIX or will they attempt to market it in the way
> > they did OS2? Sun will now use Gnome as their standard desktop. Does
> > this mean the Linux community should abandon KDE?
> >
> > These are rather boring issues the general public doesn't care about.
> >
> > In the meanwhile Microsoft are continually developing along a
> ^^^^^^^^^^
> stealing
>
> > multitude of IT areas in parallel. If only because of their name the
> > minute they enter a new market they make instant inroads and generate
> > media attention. They also attempt to do things on a scale that only
> ^^
> steal
>
> > an organization of their size would attempt.
> >
> > Also Linux advocates continue to ignore fundamental problems with
> > their system. Things such as lack of ACL's, no journalled file system
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> In over 20 YEARS of working with computers, including several years
> working in the most sensitive areas of Fortune 500 corporations, I
> have **NEVER** come across a situation which needed ACL's.
>
> NOT ONE.
>
> The **ONLY** purpose for ACL's is to satisfy the file security
> requirements for the CIA and NSA.
>
> Outside of these organizations (and maybe police Internal Affairs
> divisions), there is ZERO need for ACL's.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> > and no micro kernel architecture. Although SSH is available, it is
>
> Micro kernals are like Pascal: Good for teaching ideas, but a
> LOUSY thing to use for real work.
>
> > far from comprehensive across all network interfaces and there is no
> > enforcement of encryption - as Microsoft did with SP3 and onwards.
> > Does NFS work properly with the new kernel? It certainly hasn't with
> > previous releases. NFS itself should have been abandoned years ago if
> > only on the basis of security issues alone.
>
> NFS has weaknesses, yes...but not nearly as bad as the typical Mafia$oft platform.
> >
> > And for goodness sake can any Linux advocate say with a straight face
> > they can easily connect their Linux box to an ISP? They should be
> > working on this issue night and day because nobody is going to use
> > Linux is they cannot connect to the Internet. But instead they prefer
> > to call users names rather than address the issue.
> >
> > What about the lack of databasing with configuration files under
> > Linux? /etc/passwd is a joke. The CPU cycles require to parse all of
> > these free formatted text files must be enormous.
>
> IF you believe that, then either you are insane, or you have never
> written a parser.
>
> /etc/passwd was DESIGNED to be parsed quickly, you yutz.
>
> Not only that, but /etc/passwd is RARELY referenced. Unix and Linux
> run on User ID's, NOT /etc/passwd.
>
> > Is there a plan to
> > address this issue?
>
> Is there a plan to address the Venusian invasion fleet from Andromeda?
>
> Hint fucking hint: There is ZERO need to address nonexistant problems.
>
> >
> > You can only talk about uptimes for so long. And frankly people don't
> > care that your system is up for a year. Any server not having a
> > single hardware or software upgrade in a year would be poorly
> > maintained.
>
> You keep telling yourself that.
> One...many upgrades don't require a reboot. I know that's pretty shocking
> to you, but that's how life is in the non-Mafia$oft world.
>
> > And uptimes in the desktop field are a non-issue.
>
> Personally, I like being able to lock a desktop at the end of the day,
> CONFIDENT that when I return in the morning, it will be the same as I
> left it...and that I can go month after month without losing my
> current desktop to a kernal-bug-inflicted reboot.
>
> (with all my various pieces of "work in progress")
>
> >
> > On Fri, 4 May 2001 14:50:03 +0200, "Mikkel Elmholdt"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >A quick (and non-scientific) overview of this newsgroup reveals that the
> > >majority of posts are related to anti-Microsoft topics and not to the
> > >official topic of the newsgroup, namely advocating the virtues of Linux.
> > >
> > >It's a well-known fact, that if you cannot really come up some good
> > >arguments for your case, then you can always fall back on hammering on your
> > >opponents weaknesses. Is that the case here? If it is, then I find it rather
> > >lame.
> > >
> > >Any damn fool can bash Microsoft ..... but try to put up a compelling case
> > >for the use of Linux, would be a more challenging task, at least for the
> > >majority of posters here.
> > >
> > >Mikkel
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
LOL!! Now lets send this troll along. Seems that he's worried about
his MS stock.
Jasper should know better than to dump all of his eggs into MSs'
basket. He should diversify and buy stocks in Sun, HP, IBM, etc.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Article: AOL in cahoots with Compaq, HP to derail WinXP, .NET?
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:14:29 -0700
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9d4ihk$gffu6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > What about an AOL-Linux package?
> >
> > If they did this and ended up supplying a full Linux Distro on every
> > magazine and mailshot they currently put their CD on then MS won't stand a
> > chance - who will pay at least $50 for an MS os when every magazine has a
> > full rival os on the cover. The only way MS could compete would be to make
> > their OS free as well - when combined with an enforced company split the
> OS
> > company would soon be wiped off the map and the applications company would
> > be forced to code for Linux, FreeBSD, etc
>
> Sounds wonderful until you consider the AOL-Time/Warner part of the
> equation.
>
> They BADLY want to be the next Microsoft and if given a true monopoly
> position, would make us long for the good-old-Microsoft days.
Yes, and I recall that Time-Warner bought out Atari a long time ago and
ruined Atari.
Time-Warner are no better than MS, if not worse.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apple is doing a good thing
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:16:56 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9d38qv$hid$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > That's why 98/ME will be dead this
> > >> > year, replaced by Windows XP.
> > >>
> > >> In exactly the same way they were replaced by Windows 2000.
> > >
> > > They weren't intended to be replaced by Windows 2000.
> >
> > They were. OK, so MS switched away from this idea as soon (pretty soon)
> > as it was evident that Win2K was not good enough, but initially, Win2K
> > was meant to be the great unfork in the road.
>
> Yes. Windows 98 was first intended to be the last 9x based product, but as
> Win2k grew, they realized they had too much on their plate. They had to cut
> a few things, and one of them was the consumer version, which is why Win98SE
> came out (which gives you an idea of exactly how long ago this was).
>
> Hell, it was even before the name Windows 2000 existed. It was still called
> Windows NT 5 back then.
>
> > > MS will stop selling 9x based OS's after XP is released.
> >
> > Like they did with Win2K.
>
> They didn't have a consumer version of Win2k. They DO have a consumer
> version of XP.
You mean a planned version called XP. Its not for sale yet.
--
V
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Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:19:40 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> they saw on TV and order the latest and greatest Pentium 4 system with
> all of the bells and whistles including AOL or MSN for less than 2k.
> They open the box plug it in and it works. Sure the scanner/printer
> and modem are Win* variety, but who cares? It works.
No it doesn't. That is, in essence, the problem. I get plenty of
calls from friends and family about this, and it most certainly
doesn't work anywhere well enough for them.
The only "consumer" computer users that seem happy about things, are
the Mac users, but that could easily be due to their ranks being so
diminished that only the enthusiasts remain... It'll be interesting to
see where MacOS X goes, though.
> I sure see a lot of great stuff here....NOT :(
[19K of software announcements]
> Most of this stuff might as well be Greek to the average user.
So? Look, just because you don't know what an ethernet bridge is or
does, doesn't mean that having the functionality available is a
disadvantage.
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windos is *unfriendly*
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:24:26 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>> Could it be that there's a bug in Linux? Or in the drivers? Not in the
>> drivel you post?
>
> Shut up and stop whinging. Just do what any one of the helpful people
> have suggested and put a script in rc.local. If you couldn't be arsed to
> either do that or fix the bug, then you shouldn't be arsed to post
> either.
Shut up period. I tried various suggestions. None of them worked.
--
Pete
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:29:04 GMT
"Jonas Due Vesterheden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:iliJ6.10914$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:9d1uvi$qfl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Thank Jesus! It's a real HTML breaker, and has led to
> > > circus plug-ins like Macromedia Flash and Shockwave, as
> > > well as the ability to hijack a workstation through HTML
> > > or VBScript.
>
> > Nothing render pages better than it.
> > NS has plugins as well. And you didn't even needed VBScript to hijack a
> > workstation, all you needed is a JPEG.
> How do you hijack a workstation with a JPEG image?
Buffer overflow with code executing off of the stack. The code launches a
shell with the permissions of the program you've stack-crashed. If the
process was running with "root" permissions - Game Over. It's the same MO
any exploit like that uses.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:32:05 GMT
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > That's exactly my point. Pascal properly hides what shouldn't be
> > > normally used by an application developer (i.e. dirty tricks with
> > > pointers). You can do in Pascal anything you can do in C, but you must
> > > state very explicitly, so that you're made aware of what you're doing.
> > > Once you've learned, you may start playing with C++, if you feel like,
> > > but your background will make you avoid all the trivial errors you can
> > > do with C++, without the compiler telling you, and learning only at
run
> > > time.
> >
> > Not true. You can't do anything can do with C++. You can't write
device
> > drivers, for instance.
>
> I don't see why. Do I miss a point?
Hmmm, I've written DOS Device drivers using a mixture of Assembly and
TurboPascal 5 before (Interface to a DC-600 Tape Drive)
I don't see the point, either.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:39:43 GMT
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> > I didn't "bash" on it, I was just merely saying that cmd.exe is better
> > in everything but scripting, it seems. Bash is ok, it's just not very
> > user friendly and in fact, gets the in the way most of the time.
> >
> > -c
>
> cmd.exe... this is in Win2k I presume?
and NT4 too. And, its' utility and function isn't that drastically different
than command.com.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux books
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:44:38 -0700
Salvador Peralta wrote:
>
> Edward Rosten quoth:
>
> > Hello Advocates.
> >
> > A friend of mine has asked me for reccomendations (etc) for books on
> > Linux. I've never really bothered with books much, so I thought I'd
> > ask you guys what you found the best.
>
> No recommendations on what books to buy ( I've never bought a Linux
> book other than "Linux Programming by Wrox which I DO NOT recommend
> ), but Barnes & Noble and their affiliates are having an
> enterprise-wide sale on 4 or 5 linux Newbie books. Stuff that used
> to cost in the $40's for $15 to $20. They are also discounting some
> of the Coriolis Books based on the stuff coming out of the LDP (
> LAME, lps, sag, nag, etc. )
>
> FWIW, I prefer electronic books to print b/c they are free, have
> superior search features, and because I'd rather kill a byte than a
> tree for my reading pleasure.
>
> --
>
> Salvador Peralta -o)
> Programmer/Analyst, Webmaster / \
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I have to agree with you on the Wrox book. That one is sort of a
sampler of various ways to code in different languages. It is not even
comprehensive.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:48:53 -0700
James Philips wrote:
>
> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <3af47ba7_2@newsfeeds>:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Linux was/is and will continue to be a miserable failure as a consumer
> >> desktop OS until it wakes up and starts offering an end result that is
> >> superior instead of an inferior result based upon theoretical superior
> >> technologies.
> >
> >Actually, Linux isn't necessarily for instant gratification. If you
> >want that, go to se a whore. The computing equivalent of that whore is
> >MS Windows. Linux is a great platform. The only advantage Windows has
> >over it is application availability. That's it. The ease-of-use
> >arguments are bogus.
>
> Linux is a great OS in a lot of ways, but it's hard to see how you can
> really claim that it's as easy to learn as Windows. Even most Linux
> advocates realise that a total beginner can't use Linux without learning
> quite a lot.
>
> >The fact is that Windows is NOT easy to use, but rather, people have
> >already learned it and are familiar with it, so that gives a false
> >impression that it is easy to use.
>
> That's true to a certain extent, but I know quite a few Windows users who
> know next to nothing about Windows and don't want to learn, they know how
> to install and launch apps and that's about it. If they had any problems
> with Windows, such as hardware not plugging and playing correctly they
> would call tech support before even reading the manual.
>
> Most Windows users do have to learn a fair amount, because sooner or later
> they will run into problems when upgrading hardware or installing new apps.
> But in my experience there's a lot less in Windows that needs to be
> learned. Even with the most easy to use Linux distributions most people
> are going to have to learn about the system before they can successfully
> set it up with all their hardware and software working.
>
> James
My wife and I are leaving windows. Reason: we're sick and tired of
freezes, non-responding apps, a very slow print manager, BSODs, and the
list goes on.
She likes CDE under Sun better, but first she wants to try Linux on her
own machine.
Half the things she wants to do is a PITA under windows. She's tried the
things she wants under Solaris and she's very happy with the results so
far.
Did you know that MS Web-Tv censors you if you make bad remarks about
MS?
A friend of mine knows this to be fact. He wants to buy a computer
without windows on it.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:55:43 -0700
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> On 06 May 2001 01:07:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> wrote:
>
> >Why not, 62 apps! :-
>
> Geez, no wonder MS is getting so worried. Their timing was WAY off on
> this one. It's far, far too late to stop the open-source movement.
>
> I've got this mental image of BG tied across the tracks desperately
> reciting his anti-linux mantra while a trainload of penguins bears
> down on him. Heh heh!
I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
Seagull.
Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls go on
a straffing run!
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 00:56:42 +0200
In article <9d4iog$p5v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I don't see any reason why you can't copyright an API.
Remember that you cannot copyright an idea, but only
your specific expression of that idea.
Also note that the FSF does not believe in API and
look-and-feel copyrights (remember Apple).
--
Stefaan
--
How's it supposed to get the respect of management if you've got just
one guy working on the project? It's much more impressive to have a
battery of programmers slaving away. -- Jeffrey Hobbs (comp.lang.tcl)
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 07:00:56 GMT
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dave Martel wrote:
> >
> > On 06 May 2001 01:07:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Why not, 62 apps! :-
> >
> > Geez, no wonder MS is getting so worried. Their timing was WAY off on
> > this one. It's far, far too late to stop the open-source movement.
> >
> > I've got this mental image of BG tied across the tracks desperately
> > reciting his anti-linux mantra while a trainload of penguins bears
> > down on him. Heh heh!
>
>
> I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
> Seagull.
> Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls go on
> a straffing run!
The avian mammals or the 80's new wave group with the funny hair?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:48:00 GMT
And Chris Ahlstrom spoke unto us...:
>As far as obtaining audio data, cdparanoia is great. You can often
>reconstitute a broken CD (one with tracks that skip) with it.
>Is there any software like that available for free in the Windoze world?
Cdparanoia is a nice little proggy. But there are at least two similar tools
for windows, both of which are freeware. One is EAC IIRC.
jt
--
Got Free?
The daemon inside.
http://www.freebsd.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:50:11 GMT
And Chad Myers spoke unto us...:
>This is BS.
>
>I have a PII-400 with 256MB RAM and I can play Unreal Tournament while burning
>a CD.
Hmm...haven't tried this one yet but I have a feeling that would be a coaster.
I might boot 2k and try it right now if I didn't only have _one_ cdr left :-).
Guess there is another errand for tomorrow.
jt
--
Got Free?
The daemon inside.
http://www.freebsd.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:53:26 GMT
And Tom Wilson spoke unto us...:
>At 10x burning speed under Linux the fifo's utilization seldom drops below
>98% regardless of the load (System in question is 768MB, 30 GB 7200 RPM
>UDMA, PIII 866). The same system running Windows will often drop as low as
>58% with no other tasks running and will, about 40% of the time, produce a
>frisbee. However, I don't know if this is attributable to Adaptec's burning
>software (Not so good, IMHO), or to the OS (Equally not-so-good). One of
>these days I plan to try Nero just to see, but, I find burning under Linux
>to be so much better that it seems a waste of time to mess with it.
I *highly* recommend you give Nero a try. EZ was a POS for a long time IMO.
Nero is usually about half the price, and twice the quality (even EZ5Platinum
vs. Nero5.5).
jt
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