Linux-Advocacy Digest #294, Volume #34 Mon, 7 May 01 12:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature" ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux and MP3s (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: A Windows enthusiasts take on Mundie's speech (Craig Kelley)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Tom Wilson")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie (Craig Kelley)
Re: Linux and MP3s (Craig Kelley)
Re: A Windows enthusiasts take on Mundie's speech ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature"
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:10:21 -0400
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On Fri, 4 May 2001 23:53:38 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > You can only brute force it if you know the decode algorithm. You can
> > guess, and analyze and do lots of things, but it could be things like
> > XORing the data against a pets name, while rotating 3 bits and
> > compressing it using 10 different compression algorithms.
>
> I have only a small understanding of cryptography, but I don't think
> this is correct. For one thing, it is difficult to come up with a
> sequence of steps that produces a unique result. In the general case
> there are many other methods that would produce the same result and the
> analyst only needs to find one. Having only a 4-bit key will make this
> a lot easier.
Actually, there are many combinations of encryption methods, keys,
and plain text that will produce the same cypher-text.
However, only a very small number of those possibilites have plain
text that makes sense.
A lot of encryption used by military organizations uses plain text
that is unintelligible and other methods.
>
> But even if you are correct, it is a very bad idea to depend on a
> secret algorithm for security. If the algorithm is ever compromised,
> all communications using that algorithm will be trivial to solve by
> brute force. When that happens (and you have to assume that it will,
> eventually) you have to come up with a whole new scheme rather than
> merely a new key.
The Germans found out all about that...
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: 7 May 2001 15:15:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 07 May 2001 15:02:17 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > > > > I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
>> > > > > Seagull.
>> > > > > Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls
>go
>> > on
>> > > > > a straffing run!
>> > > >
>> > > > The avian mammals or the 80's new wave group with the funny hair?
>> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > You mean: "The aqautic avians or the 80's new wave gropu with the
>funny
>> > hair?
>> > >
>> > > answer: yes
>> >
>> > Aquatic or no, they're still mammals...
>>
>> birds are mammals????
>
>They are warm-blooded and the feathers are just modified hairs.
Actually, festhers are modified scales, just like hairs are modified
scales. I have seen no argument ever for feathers being modified
hairs.
> As far as
>the egg laying thing goes, Platypuses lay eggs and THEY are considered
>mammals. Birds are kind of a big question mark. Especially when you throw in
>the dinosaur thing.
Well, there is this problem about birds being mammals. You know,
the mammary issue (and yes, I know the platypus have no nipples).
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:36:35 +0200
"Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 6 May 2001
> > 13:33:48
> > > > > >That is one thing that frighten me about the GPL.
> > > > > >There is already GPLed data, what happen when other things start
to
> > get
> > > > GPL?
> > >
> > > i'm not a lawyer, but GPL has nothing to do with data.
> >
> > freedb.org, read COPYING
>
> i visited <URL:http://freedb.org/> i could find no link called
> "COPYING". nor was the word "copying" to be found anywhere on the
> page. please be more specific.
ftp://www.freedb.org/pub/freedb/COPYING
> > > > > Then the world becomes a better place.
> > > >
> > > > Really? Then why don't tell me how happy you would be when the
credit
> > card
> > > > companies would publish *your* credit history, because of GPL?
> > >
> > > what planet do you live on? they already publish your credit history.
> > > afaict it has nothing to do with the GPL.
> >
> > On the US, maybe, not where *I* live.
>
> do you feel the GPL will change this?
It was a bloody *example*, all right?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:39:40 +0200
"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9d5tcg$rpb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Ayende Rahien wrote in message <9d4olk$2op$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Consider this scenrio, MS release WindowsGPL, where the license has once
> >exception "A program need not to be GPLed if it used just enough of the
> >system's resources to query whatever this is WinGPL or normal Win, and
then
> >display a message saying this program cannot be run on WinGPL"* ?
> >Essencially meaning that everything you run on WinGPL must GPLed, too.
Now,
> >they also have normal Windows, which doesn't have this provision.
> >How much software would run on WinGPL and how much on normal Windows?
(I'm
> >talking about the *exact* same base code, the only difference is that the
> >reutnr value of bool isWindowsGol(); )
>
> When you write software, you can put whatever licence you want on it. MS
> could specify that the in order to use the Windows API, your program's
> window had to have a dark blue border - only those willing to pay for
> special extended licences would be allowed to choose a red window border.
>
> One of the particular features of GPL and the definition of "open source"
is
> that you cannot place restrictions on what programs use it and what users
> use it. Thus such as licence as you suggested would not be "open source".
MS doesn't place any limitation on WinGPL, it's release under GPL, with the
only exception to the GPL being "checking whatever this in WinGPL, and
closing the program with an appropriate message."
It's the FSF that anything else that run on this machine must be GPL.
> >(Linux gets away with it with a license exception that says that you
don't
> >have to GPL your program for normal system calls)
>
> The header files are covered by the LGPL, which is specifically made to
> avoid this potential problem - it is not Linux-specific. Basically, the
> LGPL says that if you write code that is based on the main code of the
> LGPL'ed library, you need to (L)GPL your code. But if you just include
the
> headers, you don't. That is what makes it possible to write closed source
> programs using open source tools.
Yes, I know. Again, I'm trying to show a *point* here.
I want to show what it would be like had the tables been truned.
The only people who find what they are looking for in life are the fault
finders.
--Foster's Law
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:59:53 +0200
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3af69816$0$12207$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >Basically, all they are doing is taking
> > a working non-DOS OS (NT 5.0, aka. W2K) and making it better for games
so
> > that home users will want it too. In fact, given that (as far as I
> > understand it), W2K is fine for games and other home uses, it is more a
> > marketting change than anything else - MS could easily have marketted
W2K
> > for home use.
>
> W2K needs an upgrade as does any OS one year old. So, WinXP is an upgrade.
> MORE importantly, MS no longer will need to split it's resources between
the
> old and the new. AND even more importantly all the software writers out
> there will rejoice. There is only one version of the Windows API to
program
> for. There is only need for one version of any given application. This is
a
> good thing for everyone.
This is very important factor, BTW.
Especially since most of Win32 API descend from NT, so anything that is on
9x is usually a (bad) port.
And there are things that NT does that are a godbless for a programmer.
(Unicode, to name but one annoying feature)
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and MP3s
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 03:24:49 -0700
Mark Styles wrote:
>
> Fellow advocates,
>
> I currently have my entire CD collection stored in MP3 format on a
> 30Gb hard drive in a Windows PC.
>
> Because I use that PC for other things, which sometimes interfere with
> the music, I've been busy building a new PC to be a dedicated
> 'jukebox' on our LAN.
>
> I've decided as an experiment to install Linux on the new PC to see
> how well it handles my musical needs.
>
> My question is, what applications should I use to emulate XingMP3
> Player functionality?
>
> Also, will IDE be good enough, or should I invest in SCSI?
IDE is more than enough. As for a mp3 player for Linux, I would suggest
XMMS, used for years, and never had a problem. As for automated
broadcasting, grab shoutcast off www.shoutcast.com for Linux.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Windows enthusiasts take on Mundie's speech
Date: 07 May 2001 09:27:21 -0600
Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 06 May 2001 23:18:54 -0700, Matthew Gardiner
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, just as a follow up, how can a GPL program fork? when all
> > > modifications must be made public and handed back to the author. The
> > > only time a program can fork is under the BSD license.
> >
> > How do you explain GNU Emacs vs XEmacs then? Or GCC vs EGCS?
> >
>
> Also explain how forking has been a bad thing for BSD.
And how it's been bad for Emacs (I use XEmacs only, BTW).
Where are all the supposed harms?
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:30:34 GMT
"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 07 May 2001 15:02:17 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> > <snip>
> >> >
> >> > > > > I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be
the
> >> > > > > Seagull.
> >> > > > > Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of
Seagulls
> >go
> >> > on
> >> > > > > a straffing run!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The avian mammals or the 80's new wave group with the funny hair?
> >> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > > You mean: "The aqautic avians or the 80's new wave gropu with the
> >funny
> >> > hair?
> >> > >
> >> > > answer: yes
> >> >
> >> > Aquatic or no, they're still mammals...
> >>
> >> birds are mammals????
> >
> >They are warm-blooded and the feathers are just modified hairs.
>
> Actually, festhers are modified scales, just like hairs are modified
> scales. I have seen no argument ever for feathers being modified
> hairs.
I've actually heard of one such argument before. I remember reading about it
around the same time the dinosaur connection (which I think is true) was
being loudly debated. The next time I head back home for a visit, I'll try
and dig through the old periodicals to find it again.
>
> > As far as
> >the egg laying thing goes, Platypuses lay eggs and THEY are considered
> >mammals. Birds are kind of a big question mark. Especially when you throw
in
> >the dinosaur thing.
>
> Well, there is this problem about birds being mammals. You know,
> the mammary issue (and yes, I know the platypus have no nipples).
Frankly, I think birds are a bridge between reptile and mammal. A pre-mammal
or post-reptile as it were. I don't know what the hell to think about the
platypus other than its' being an evolutionary fluke that somehow survived.
------------------------------
From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:29:54 +0200
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3af69dcc$0$12274$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > Better be patient enough to wait another 15 years for its' elimination.
>
> It took less than 5 years for DOS to become obsolete, not sold not
> supported - eliminated.
> It will take less than 5 years to dump Win9x. It won't be sold or
supported,
> no new drivers, no new applications. Every new PC sold will come with XP,
> upgrades are dirt cheap - why would Win9x stay alive?
>
> Sure I've seen the occasional box running DOS in a closet with a unix
print
> server client running on it here and there but... that hardly means MS-DOS
> is alive and well.
Windows has the killer applications that DOS didn't, what killer
applications does XP have that you can't run on 9x?
Since it's going to be a long time before stuff that is written to XP will
not be able to run on 9x, I would say you are in for a long wait.
Beside, I think that MS stopped supporting win3.11 only a couple of years
ago, and they *still* sell it.
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From: "JS PL" <the_win98box_in_the_corner>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:28:54 -0400
T. Max Devlin wrote in message ...
>Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 06 May 2001
>>"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> Daniel Johnson wrote:
>>> > > They foisted M$ OSs on people. You ststement does not hold water.
>>> >
>>> > They gave their customers what they wanted; that is what
>>> > it takes to be a top-20 OEM.
>>>
>>> No, they didnt. You are plainly not worth any more time. You ignore
>>> evidence, including quotes from M$ executive.
>>
>>If you've got a quote from an MS excutive who says that
>>the customers did not want Windows, I'd like to see it.
>
>Quotes from customers aren't enough?
God forbid that they bring consumers in to testify in a trial thats supposed
to be about protecting the consumer and not competitors!
I wonder what that says about who the trial was REALLY about?
I think I know.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie
Date: 07 May 2001 09:31:56 -0600
Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> While I don't necessarily think that would be a bad thing, I don't
> >> think it's likely. For one thing, a corporation would probably be
> >> more comfortable releasing code under GPL than under BSD - that way,
> >> competitors couldn't make improvements without also giving them
> >> back.
>
> > Yes, but the situtation is reversed with already-existing GPL
> > software. Companies would rather use BSD-licenced software (eg,
> > Apple's Darwin) than GPL for obvious reasons.
>
> Yes, they'd rather *use* BSD code. But I'm talking about *releasing*
> it - i.e. contributing back.
Apple *has* contributed back plenty. They have done a lot of work on
Darwin, and if the BSD teams want to grab some code they are more than
welcome to do so.
> Of course, there are lots of allegations about companies using GPLed
> products without coming up with the code, so the issue may be a bit
> hypothetical.
Difficult to prove -- so much so that it's usually a waste of time to
discuss it.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and MP3s
Date: 07 May 2001 09:34:07 -0600
Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Fellow advocates,
>
> I currently have my entire CD collection stored in MP3 format on a
> 30Gb hard drive in a Windows PC.
>
> Because I use that PC for other things, which sometimes interfere with
> the music, I've been busy building a new PC to be a dedicated
> 'jukebox' on our LAN.
>
> I've decided as an experiment to install Linux on the new PC to see
> how well it handles my musical needs.
>
> My question is, what applications should I use to emulate XingMP3
> Player functionality?
xmms
> Also, will IDE be good enough, or should I invest in SCSI?
IDE will be fine; there are apache mods to do specialized streaming
and juke-box functions. Search for 'mp3' at freshmeat.net for more
information.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Windows enthusiasts take on Mundie's speech
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:38:52 GMT
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Bob Hauck wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 06 May 2001 23:18:54 -0700, Matthew Gardiner
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh, just as a follow up, how can a GPL program fork? when all
> > > > modifications must be made public and handed back to the author.
The
> > > > only time a program can fork is under the BSD license.
> > >
> > > How do you explain GNU Emacs vs XEmacs then? Or GCC vs EGCS?
> > >
> >
> > Also explain how forking has been a bad thing for BSD.
>
> And how it's been bad for Emacs (I use XEmacs only, BTW).
>
> Where are all the supposed harms?
Actually, I can see some forking as being healthy if new ideas and
techniques are brought forth and proven. No-one ever suffered from an
intellectual debate or contest - Except, maybe, the loser and at that only
to the ego involved. I think it far worse to stick to a lesser idea just to
keep the status-quo.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:49:22 -0400
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tom Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > > > I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
> > > > > > Seagull.
> > > > > > Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls
> go
> > > on
> > > > > > a straffing run!
> > > > >
> > > > > The avian mammals or the 80's new wave group with the funny hair?
> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > You mean: "The aqautic avians or the 80's new wave gropu with the
> funny
> > > hair?
> > > >
> > > > answer: yes
> > >
> > > Aquatic or no, they're still mammals...
> >
> > birds are mammals????
>
> They are warm-blooded and the feathers are just modified hairs. As far as
> the egg laying thing goes, Platypuses lay eggs and THEY are considered
> mammals. Birds are kind of a big question mark. Especially when you throw in
> the dinosaur thing.
>
Actually, from my understanding, birds are closer to reptiles.
> > > At any rate, birds lobbing dung at BG would be a bit less jarring than
> > > seeing that pale guy with the 57 Chevy hairstyle doing the same.
> >
> >
> > HEHHEHEH
> >
> > how about both...simultaneously.
>
> Surreal image to be sure.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:50:08 -0400
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Mon, 07 May 2001 15:02:17 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Tom Wilson wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >
> > >> > <snip>
> > >> >
> > >> > > > > I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be
> the
> > >> > > > > Seagull.
> > >> > > > > Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of
> Seagulls
> > >go
> > >> > on
> > >> > > > > a straffing run!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > The avian mammals or the 80's new wave group with the funny hair?
> > >> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >> > > You mean: "The aqautic avians or the 80's new wave gropu with the
> > >funny
> > >> > hair?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > answer: yes
> > >> >
> > >> > Aquatic or no, they're still mammals...
> > >>
> > >> birds are mammals????
> > >
> > >They are warm-blooded and the feathers are just modified hairs.
> >
> > Actually, festhers are modified scales, just like hairs are modified
> > scales. I have seen no argument ever for feathers being modified
> > hairs.
>
> I've actually heard of one such argument before. I remember reading about it
> around the same time the dinosaur connection (which I think is true) was
> being loudly debated. The next time I head back home for a visit, I'll try
> and dig through the old periodicals to find it again.
>
> >
> > > As far as
> > >the egg laying thing goes, Platypuses lay eggs and THEY are considered
> > >mammals. Birds are kind of a big question mark. Especially when you throw
> in
> > >the dinosaur thing.
> >
> > Well, there is this problem about birds being mammals. You know,
> > the mammary issue (and yes, I know the platypus have no nipples).
>
> Frankly, I think birds are a bridge between reptile and mammal. A pre-mammal
> or post-reptile as it were. I don't know what the hell to think about the
> platypus other than its' being an evolutionary fluke that somehow survived.
correct. They are a seperate forking.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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