Linux-Advocacy Digest #305, Volume #34 Mon, 7 May 01 22:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Where can I find a Linux Badge? (Dave Martel)
Re: Linux is the future, say former MS execs ("Joe Ogiba")
Re: the Boom, Boom department ("~�~")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud)
Re: Andrew Leonard: "Microsoft: Free-software licenses are the devil's ("Bobby D.
Bryant")
Re: Where can I find a Linux Badge? (Brent R)
Re: the Boom, Boom department ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP (GreyCloud)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Matt Kennel)
Re: the Boom, Boom department (Brent R)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: This post has something to offend just about everyone (Matt Kennel)
Re: Bill Hudson caught LYING again. ("billh")
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where can I find a Linux Badge?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:05:42 -0600
On Mon, 07 May 2001 23:58:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ivory
Bones) wrote:
>Using the CD's on a book cover, I managed to install RedHat 7.0 on an old
>486. Then I got a deal on a Pentium class machine built from parts, and
>Installed the same CD's on it.
>
>Well of course all you people out in Linuxland know that I have discovered
>a really nice OS and will soon be leaving Bill's land behind.
That's what I said last August when I discovered linux. Alas, nobody
else around here wants to learn new applications so I have to keep one
Windows machine around.
>I live in the Florida panhandle. There are three major bookstores in town,
>and all have Linux sections. There's got to be some other local users and
>it would be nice to chat with them, and maybe form a local user's group.
>
>A badge advertising Linux would be a nice way to get started. I searched
>the web and came up with a coffee mug which won't work, but the idea is
>right.
>
>Anyone know where to find a badge?
>
SuSE linux comes with a small Tux pin but that's probably not what you
want. You might try <http://www.linuxmall.com> and click the Shopping
tab and then click the "fun" icon. They have Linux stickers, T-shirts,
bumper stickers, etc. You can find other linux accessories, as well as
dirt-cheap CD's of linux distro's and applications, at
<http://www.cheapbytes.com>
If you have a bubblejet printer, you can buy iron-on transfer sheets
for it and make your own T-shirts. Or, you can print up your own
artwork and find badge-making kits at the larger arts & crafts stores.
I have also seen bubblejet paper that has circular cutouts designed to
stick to clothing.
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From: "Joe Ogiba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is the future, say former MS execs
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:17:56 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:4vDJ6.18457$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/18768.html
>
> Better sell my shares in Microsoft... oh yeah, I don't have any.
>
> --
> Pete
Yeah I hear IBM,Compaq,HP,Dell and Gateway will install Linux on ALL PC's in
the future because there is no demand for a PC with the Windows OS.Linux
rules...yeah baby.Microsoft will be out of business by the end of the
year...yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
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From: "~�~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:21:04 GMT
> > I'd have done this ages ago, but I have an iMac! A big pretty
> > gumdrop that's impossible to upgrade!
> >
> > Richard
> iMac's are all good, esp. with MacOS X.
ai laddie... cept it don't have the foggiest what a cdrw is.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:26:00 -0700
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9ctn5h$vgk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Jon Johansan wrote in message <3af18b76$0$37328$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >
> > >"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:zySH6.6169$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> Just from the commercial side of things, I don't see XP taking off for
> > >quite
> > >> a while. So many of these shops have just now upgraded to W2K. I think
> MS
> > >> would have been better served to have given W2K a miss and just waited
> > >until
> > >> XP was done. The whole thing is more than a little strange when you
> > >consider
> > >> their past marketing efforts. It just doesn't make sense.
> > >
> > >Imagine this:
> > >XP is the achievement of a single code base. One set of drivers, you do
> not
> > >need to maintaine different drivers for W9x and ME and W2K. There is only
> > >one set of updates. Only one GUI to learn. One way to do things. It's the
> > >termination of a KNOWN ugly line of code. It's the end of ANYTHING
> remotely
> > >to do with DOS (other than emulation for backwards compatibility).
> > >
> >
> > It is amazing how you can view "doing it right for once" as such a big
> deal.
> > Dropping DOS and moving to a single code base is without doubt a big step
> > forward for MS, but you make it sound like they have just invented sliced
> > bread - they should have taken this step 10 years ago when the 386 became
> > popular. There is nothing magical or dramatic about dropping DOS - no
> other
> > OS has been hobbled by such legacy.
>
> AHHHh you said it right there in that last sentence.
>
> Ask the japanese market why it doesn't own us. They come out with a new OS
> every other month. They introduce new hardware completely incompatible with
> the previous hardware quartly. They just do whatever is new and cool
> whenever it's available. yep - all the latest funnest toys for them - and
> backward compatibility be damned. ... hmmm... and we've never felt a single
> tiny itch of competition from them when usually the Japs take an american
> idea, improve and repackage it and beat us at our own game.
>
> Wanna take a guess why Windows is so popular? Backwards compability (I know,
> not 100% so don't quibble on that point) is the thing. A guy with a copy of
> Windows 95 and software from 5 years ago will mostly likely still be able to
> run his stuff when he upgrades to WinXP. Hardware from 95 will still most
> likely run in a machine purchased in 2002 (still plenty of motherboards with
> ISA slots if that's the hang up).
>
> Now - sure, MS could do what you propose. Come out with Windows -3112 "The
> Antiupgrade" and have it rewritten from the ground up by european teens on X
> supporting only the very latest popular standards and just ignoring
> everything that is "uncool" in the scene at that minute and just ignore the
> VAST installed userbase and blow off every single manufacturer and ISV and
> force them to grok some new undocumented (documentation is uncool and boring
> to true hackerz) APIs...
>
> <sarcasm>yea, great idea!</sarcasm>
>
> >Basically, all they are doing is taking
> > a working non-DOS OS (NT 5.0, aka. W2K) and making it better for games so
> > that home users will want it too. In fact, given that (as far as I
> > understand it), W2K is fine for games and other home uses, it is more a
> > marketting change than anything else - MS could easily have marketted W2K
> > for home use.
>
> W2K needs an upgrade as does any OS one year old. So, WinXP is an upgrade.
> MORE importantly, MS no longer will need to split it's resources between the
> old and the new. AND even more importantly all the software writers out
> there will rejoice. There is only one version of the Windows API to program
> for. There is only need for one version of any given application. This is a
> good thing for everyone.
>
> >
> > >XP is a godsend for tech support. No longer having to ask: what version
> of
> > >windows are you running? and then having to fork your knowledgebase and
> > >script based on that.
> >
> > What's the weather like on your planet? Perhaps companies with one
> computer
> > will upgrade all at once, but for everyone else, there will be a mixture
> of
> > versions as always. Newer versions come in at the top, older ones go out
> at
> > the bottom, but the release of XP does not change anything there. It may
> > mean that eventually tech support will only have to ask which version of
> XP
> > people are running.
>
> Obviously not everyone will upgrade at once but this feature alone is one
> that might propel those that have been waiting even to do a W2K upgrade to
> consider going right to XP. Remote desktop take-over is even more
> compelling.
>
> >
> > >
> > >I don't see XP as a wait for it or think about it upgrade, I see XP as a
> > >must have upgrade. Give me a shop running W2K servers and W2K/XP desktops
> > >and I'll show you one that has cut tech support by half just from
> > >eliminating support for old crap.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Don't forget that XP is not yet ready - the "old crap" is MS's current OS.
>
> True (old crap <= WinME) - but it's coming...
Who cares??
--
V
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Andrew Leonard: "Microsoft: Free-software licenses are the devil's
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:35:57 +0600
Adam Warner wrote:
> "Meanwhile, Microsoft's plaintive wail over the future of innovation is just
> a smoke screen. What Microsoft really wants are new markets to dominate,
> whether they be overseas or on the Net. And apparently the company sees the
> GPL as standing in the way. But each attempt to demonize the GPL as the
> enemy of Microsoft-style capitalism risks making the free-software movement
> stronger instead."
Of course, considering that Microsoft uses 'innovate' to mean either 1) "copy
the product and run the vendor out of business" or else 2) "steal outright",
then the GPL really is a threat to 'innovation', in the sense that Microsoft
uses the term.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where can I find a Linux Badge?
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:37:35 GMT
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> On Mon, 07 May 2001 23:58:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ivory
> Bones) wrote:
>
> >Using the CD's on a book cover, I managed to install RedHat 7.0 on an old
> >486. Then I got a deal on a Pentium class machine built from parts, and
> >Installed the same CD's on it.
> >
> >Well of course all you people out in Linuxland know that I have discovered
> >a really nice OS and will soon be leaving Bill's land behind.
>
> That's what I said last August when I discovered linux. Alas, nobody
> else around here wants to learn new applications so I have to keep one
> Windows machine around.
>
> >I live in the Florida panhandle. There are three major bookstores in town,
> >and all have Linux sections. There's got to be some other local users and
> >it would be nice to chat with them, and maybe form a local user's group.
> >
> >A badge advertising Linux would be a nice way to get started. I searched
> >the web and came up with a coffee mug which won't work, but the idea is
> >right.
> >
> >Anyone know where to find a badge?
> >
>
> SuSE linux comes with a small Tux pin but that's probably not what you
> want. You might try <http://www.linuxmall.com> and click the Shopping
> tab and then click the "fun" icon. They have Linux stickers, T-shirts,
> bumper stickers, etc. You can find other linux accessories, as well as
> dirt-cheap CD's of linux distro's and applications, at
> <http://www.cheapbytes.com>
>
> If you have a bubblejet printer, you can buy iron-on transfer sheets
> for it and make your own T-shirts. Or, you can print up your own
> artwork and find badge-making kits at the larger arts & crafts stores.
> I have also seen bubblejet paper that has circular cutouts designed to
> stick to clothing.
A Linux pocket-protector would probably be more appropriate...
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:38:50 +0600
Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
> Linux is not yet a credible games platform.
What you meant to say is, "Linux does not have as many commercial games published for
it as Windows does."
This speaks *nothing* of Linux as a platform.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:43:34 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Nah! FUD!
>
> You qouted the whole articles for *two* words?
> And what was FUD about it?
GPL is a viral thing... totally untrue.
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Kennel)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:54:38 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: mbkennel@<REMOVE THE BAD DOMAIN>yahoo.spam-B-gone.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
:How many men in jail for long terms voluntarily engage in same
:sex sexual acts?
when both ends are voluntary? no more than in population at large.
:That percentage might give you an idea of
:how many are to some degree bi-sexual.
Not exactly, it gives you an idea of how many are rapists.
:--
:Andrew Hall
:(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
--
* Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
*
* "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
* Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:00:13 GMT
"." wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
> >>
> >> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.os.linux.advocacy :
> >>
> >> >First of all, what is the "boom, boom department?".
> >>
> >> I thought everybody boom, boomed.
> >>
> >> >Second of all, I agree to a certain extent on the stupidity some distro's have of
> >> >including thousands of apps/games that are just re-interations of the
> >> >same thing.
> >>
> >> Hear, hear. Perhaps if the distro makers decided to showcase a couple
> >> of good games, instead of throwing in all the available chaff, one
> >> might be less unforgiving.
> >>
> >> >I've finally hung up my SuSE parade gear, and I have moved
> >> >back to Corel Linux, yes, I know, people will go, "it is not as flexible
> >> >as <distro>", however, for my purposes, it works fine a dandy, I also
> >> >have found I have less problems using Corel software (surprise,
> >> >surprise), such as Wordperfect and Corel Draw, the added benefit is that
> >> >it is debian based which gives me access to 1000's of useful, and no-so
> >> >useful files.
> >>
> >> Of all the popular distributions, SuSE is the worst afflicted
> >> as far as the 'let's package the kitchen sink with this distro'
> >> disease is concerned.
> >>
> >> >As for the comment regarding Linux games from Loki, I take issue with
> >> >that, I have used both Simcity 3000 and Civilisation Call to Power, and
> >> >they are right on par with their Windows counterpart.
> >>
> >> My opinion is that Loki's CTP is absolutely awful.
> >>
> >> >Conclusion from previous poster: A whining Wintrol with a hypothetical
> >> >senario based on an issue he has with Windows
> >>
> >> Linux distributions include games of a quality and fashion that hark
> >> back to personal computing from the mid eighties.
> >>
> >> It's a fact.
> >>
> >> Linux is not yet a credible games platform.
> > Not yet, however, OpenGL and OpenAL are both taking shape quickly.
> > Also, if you were playing these games with Xfree86 3.3.6, then yes, it
> > would be shit house, however, 4.03 is a milestone in terms of
> > performance etc when playing games.
>
> Indeed. Heres a figure:
>
> 450mhz PIII ATA/66 machine with 2x AGP with a straight shot NVIDIA GEFORCE
> 256 in it, running mandrake linux w/xfree 4.0.3 and the latest NVIDIA drivers...
>
> Also running w2k with the latest NVIDIA drivers
>
> Unreal Tournament, fullscreen, 1600x1280, 32 bit color depth:
> Linux: 60fps, average
> Windows: 33fps, average
Uh, no.
> Now, take this however you like.
>
> Though it will all be moot within the next week or so when my 1300mhz thunderbird
> game system is delivered. It will run windows, sadly.
>
> -----.
>
> --
> "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
>
> ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:14:49 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rob Barris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <11FJ6.9669$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > In Windows, when you pull down a menu
> > > Windows creates a window (with no
> > > title bar or other decorations) to contain
> > > it. Drawing can proceed as normal in other
> > > windows. No problem.
> > >
> > > This is how everyone does it. Everyone but
> > > the Mac, that is.
> >
> > I'm sure you meant to write "MacOS versions 1.0 - 9.1" here.
>
> I haven't yet been able to find out how MacOS X does it,
> but it may well correct this stuff.
>
> In any case I'm not yet sure that 9.1 will be the last
> revision that uses the real QuickDraw, rather
> than thunking it through to Quartz.
>
> Recall how much fun MS has had trying to kill
> DOS.
>
> I look forward to watching Apple, um, enjoy
> the same passtime. Don't you? :D
One day, in the near future, Apple will simply cease to support OS 9. AS
they dont support serial ports, ADB, etc. As they moved to the PPC from
the 68K family. Apple has a history of being able to move forward, and
drag the rest of the industry with it.
--
Rick
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:18:41 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 06 May 2001
> > >> No, they didnt. You are plainly not worth any more time. You ignore
> > >> evidence, including quotes from M$ executive.
> > >
> > >If you've got a quote from an MS excutive who says that
> > >the customers did not want Windows, I'd like to see it.
> >
> > Quotes from customers aren't enough?
>
> Well, Rick says that there are quotes from "M$
> executives" to support this.
>
> There are certainly a small number of customers who
> do not want Windows. Getting a few "Windows Suxors"
> quotes from *them* should be very easy.
>
> Getting MS to admit it would be another story, though.
>
> MS's whole pricing structure is predicated on Windows
> being very popular. I think that alone shows they think
> that it is popular.
Oh sure. They are so assured Windows is so popular, they have now
started trying to convince people that the Open Source movement will be
the end of the world as we know it, rather than just pointing out the
supposed superiority of their products.
Microsoft has never, -NEVER- competed based on the merits of their
products.
--
Rick
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:19:54 -0400
JS PL wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JS PL wrote:
> > >
> > > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > > Then I suggest you are being sloppy with your accusations; you
> > > > > > > know full well that MS never excluded anyone. At their *worst*
> > > > > > > they want you to sell *their* product, whatever else you may
> sell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then why were their OEM-licenses dependant upon NOT selling any
> > > > > > other vendor's OS?
> > > > >
> > > > > They weren't.
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember, not everything Max says is true. :D
> > > >
> > > > Then, try expalain what a per-processor license is.
> > >
> > > The per processor license simply required the OEM to pay a royalty to
> > > Microsoft for each computer it manufactured containing a particular
> > > microprocessor type during the term of the agreement. The minimum
> commitment
> > > provision allowed the OEM to receive a volume discount by committing to
> ship
> > > a designated number of computers. These agreements had obvious benefits
> for
> > > both the OEM and Microsoft. Microsoft did not, however, require any OEM
> to
> > > enter into a per processor license in order for the OEM to license
> Microsoft
> > > 's operating systems products. Rather, it was one of several licensing
> > > options made available to each OEM, and it was selected only by those
> OEMs
> > > that found it to be to their economic advantage. Indeed, the majority of
> > > Microsoft's license agreements for its operating systems were not per
> > > processor agreements.
> >
> > AND... Microsft set the pricing so that it was almost impossible ot NOT
> > use per-processor licensing. And since vendors were already paying for
> > M$' OS, if they loaded another one, they ( and the customer) paid for
> > another license. And befor you start braying about percentages of
> > vendors, go do some researc of vendors and find out waht the percentage
> > of -shipping computers- they covered.
>
> Only 62% of total licences were ever sold under this type of licensing at
> it's highest point. That doesn't translate into "nearly impossible".
> That's LICENCES not VENDORS idiot.
>
> During Microsoft's 1994 fiscal year - the final year in which it offered per
> processor licenses - approximately 59% of MS-DOS units licensed by OEM
> customers were covered by per processor licenses. In fiscal year 1993,
> approximately 62% of MS-DOS units licensed by OEM customers were covered by
> per processor licenses. The prior year, Microsoft's 1992 fiscal year,
> approximately 51% of MS-DOS units licensed by OEMs were covered by per
> processor licenses. Per processor licenses made up 27% in fiscal year 1991,
> 22% in fiscal year 1990 and smaller percentages in earlier years.
You may now explainthe difference between a per-processor license, and
an enduser license.
--
Rick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Kennel)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles
Subject: Re: This post has something to offend just about everyone
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 01:19:12 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: mbkennel@<REMOVE THE BAD DOMAIN>yahoo.spam-B-gone.com
The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
:So even with the rudimentary scientific knowledge available at
:the time the Nazis had to know they were targeting the segment
:of their population containing the greatest concentration of
:economically and militarily valuable people. They were not
:practicing eugenics but dysgenics. (Of course if someone really
:wanted to get serious about eugenics it would be better to forget
:about race entirely and just go with individual test scores,
:since there are smart and stupid individuals in every race.)
Obviously the whole idea was to gain power by virtue of fanatical
emotional 'racial' devotion, so that the emotions and work of the
entire nation could be effectively directed to the purposes of the top
leaders. Enemies are good at working this.
What you are promoting is dependent on a population interested in
individual rights and accomplishments, and those type of people are
interested in individual goals, which surely don't include freezing
and starving in Stalingrad for the fucking Fuerher.
:The United States also stunted its economic and technological
:growth by not welcoming more European Jews as immigrants.
Fortunately we got Von Neumann and Fermi.
:We should
:have taken as many as we could get instead of sending boatloads
:back to certain death.
True, but the US & Britain did accept more than most, and the ones
with the most $ and connections knew to come to those two countries.
:Today Jewish Americans generate a
:significantly higher per capita product than the general population
:and contribute disproportionately (on average) to the sciences,
:arts, and professions. (Of course every large group of people has
:a distribution of skills and behaviors so this says nothing useful
:by itself about any particular individual.)
:
:The United States might consider buying all the land in
:Israel, trading it to the Arabs for oil, and granting
:Israeli Jews U.S. citizenship so they could all come here.
Problem is that they don't *want* to come here. (Those that do, did.)
: Freeing
:them from the perpetual war with all their neighbors would enable
:them to focus on creating value.
Unfortunately there is a significant proportion of their own religious
fanatics who are (literally) economic parasites of the economically
productive the state getting long-term religious-based welfare.
:That would probably do more for
:the U.S. economy's long-term health than anything else we could do
:for the money. We'd also get another 50 nuclear warheads in the
:deal. Then Middle Easter Arabs could get back to the business of
:killing each other, beheading adulterers, destroying idols, stamping
:out women's rights, fighting the good fight against the spread
:of democracy, and enforcing medieval religious edicts without
:the Jewish irritant to divert resources.
:
:-- the Danimal
:
:p.s. Muslims do have a good idea with alcohol. I'm amazed that
:prohibition has worked fine in Muslim countries for 1000+ years
:without the emergence of the sort of gangsterism that gave
:liquor industry propagandists a pretext to smear prohibition
:in the U.S.A.
Apparently lots of muslims go to christian churches during
their feast days for the wine. And one of the Gulf States without
illegal booze makes a killing from alco-tourism.
:I guess if you want to get serious about taking on
:drunkards you'd better see that they get religion first. And make
:it a religion loaded with aggressive memes capable of locking onto
:a brain tight enough to displace even a chemical addiction.
Cure is worse than the disease. I'd rather take my chances with a few
drunk idiots (generally easy to spot) than be inflicted by a radical
fundamentalist religion pervading everything.
--
* Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
*
* "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
* Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson caught LYING again.
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:24:23 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > LOL!!! I wear one nearly every day. I once had an assignment where I
> > didn't. Never said otherwise. Figure it out, wannabe.
>
> You said you don't wear a uniform, LIAR.
Oh yeah, where? No dance a little more finding that one, wannabe. LOL!!!
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