Linux-Advocacy Digest #307, Volume #34 Mon, 7 May 01 23:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Chad Myers")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: MS pushing retailers to hide Linux? ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Chad Myers")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Chad Myers")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why 90% of CEO's are morons ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Andrew Leonard: "Microsoft: Free-software licenses are the devil's (Matthew
Gardiner)
Re: All your MS license are belong to us (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature" ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Terry Porter)
Re: All your MS license are belong to us (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT (Dave Martel)
Re: Linux is the future, say former MS execs (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Terry Porter)
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:54:12 GMT
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:kTrJ6.19$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "John Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > And Chad Myers spoke unto us...:
> > >This is BS.
> > >
> > >I have a PII-400 with 256MB RAM and I can play Unreal Tournament while
> burning
> > >a CD.
> >
> > Hmm...haven't tried this one yet but I have a feeling that would be a
> coaster.
> > I might boot 2k and try it right now if I didn't only have _one_ cdr left
> :-).
> > Guess there is another errand for tomorrow.
>
> Under 2K, I'm not sure. It does seem a tad more stable than the
> predecessors. I removed it as some of the utilities I use don't work
> properly under it and I have no real desire to upgrade them quite yet.
>
> Under 95/98 - Definite coaster.
Oh, you didn't mention that...
Yes, Win9x suck for everything. I couldn't imagine trying to do
anything like CD burning in Win9x, let alone try to get any decent
amount of work done.
Win9x just suck.
This is a common problem. I find many MS bashers like to bash
MS and all Windows because of the poor experience they've had with
Win9x.
They seem to feel that Win2K is the same thing somehow. They've
obviously never used it and so they can't talk about it.
You really should try Win2K. Microsoft got it right this time.
-c
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 02:10:03 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 06 May 2001 19:22:59 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Quantum Leaper wrote:
>>
>> "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:3DXI6.6016$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:Q4HI6.118153$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > > > Got one already. A BSCS from Rensselaer Polytechnic.
>> > > >
>> > > > You must be a minority, then. Nobody as stupid as you could graduate
>> > > > with a BSCS unless you are a member of some political "victim" group.
>> > > >
>> > > Atleast he finishes what he started, unlike some people.
>> >
>> > Hmmmm?
>> >
>> > What's all this?
>> >
>> > Is there an amusing story behind this comment?
>> >
>> I though it was amusing, Aaron calling some stupid for finishing college,
>> when Aaron never did...
>
>Nah...I'm just saying that a degree =/= education.
>
>I know people with PhD's who still don't have an education.
Contrariwise, Bill Gates, who never finished college (IIRC), is now
a multibillionaire.
Go fig.
That's either a testament to Bill's tenacity or the
general public's gullibility/stupidity. :-)
(Anyone know of Larry Ellison's schooling?)
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 7d:12h:31m actually running Linux.
The US gov't spends about $54,000/second. I wish I could.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS pushing retailers to hide Linux?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:15:06 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They keep them hidden because they hate processing the returns and
> listening to some poor loser scream at them when he tries to install
> Linux and wipes out his hard drive.
>
> Most of the large chains are forced to stock certain items due to
> corporate policy.
>
> Ask some sales clerks at random what their customers think about Linux
> and you will hear some pretty funny stories.
You posted this lie^H^H^H story last year, and it gave me an idea how I
could get cheap copies of Linux to try out. I went to the local big-box
and offered to buy all their Linux returns at cost. They agreed, and they
took down my name and phone number and said they'd call.
I'm still waiting for that first phone call.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:55:47 GMT
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 07 May 2001 02:53:44 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >"Pancho Villa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >> >
> >> COM is obviously a smoke-screen for combining that
> >> > with CORBA-like functionality, as part of Bill Gates' "everybody will
> >> > have to pay me money" campaign.
> >> >
> >> The fact of the matter is that COM and DCOM were MS ripoffs of IBM's
> >> SOM and DSOM. OLE is simply bloated, buggy, 2nd-rate technology. To
> >> this day, SOM and DSOM kick COM and DCOM's butt! Tragically, along
> >> with IBM's OpenDoc, another fantastic technology, SOM and DSOM have
> >> been pretty much destroyed by a criminal monopoly, and we are all
> >> suffering. :(
> >
> >It's so amusing to watch people go to all lengths to ensure that Microsoft
> >never gets any credit for anything.
> >
>
> What do you mean? Microsoft gets credit for stealing lots of innovative
> ideas.
COM, MTS, and COM+ were firsts in the industry. There may have been
similar technologies, but there was no copying or stealing.
CORBA is copying. 99% of anything GUI in Linux is stolen from Microsoft,
so perhaps you shouldn't throw rocks...
Besides, where is Linux's enterprise-grade transaction processor?
Oh yeah, that's right...
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:56:38 GMT
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 06 May 2001 13:25:57 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >"Paul Dossett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:9d1bcp$2pi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> > "JVercherIII" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:ADVI6.297$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > Civility people! I use both Linux and Windows, and both have their
> >> places
> >> > > (IMHO). I make a living right now writing VB programs so I'm kind of
> >> > living
> >> > > off the Microsoft gravy train. That being said, they do some things
> >> which
> >> > > are very unpleasing. My main complaint with Microsoft is that they
> >> stifle
> >> > > innovation. They never have come up with an original idea.
> >> >
> >> > Bullshit, and a big one.
> >> >
> >> > To name a few of the top of my head:
> >> > COM
> >> > COM+
> >> > MTS
> >> > IE (No other browser can come even close, Mozilla can't render yahoo.com
> >> > properly, and crash when you try to send a bug report)
> >>
> >> IE, you say? Here's IE's copyright info:
> >>
> >> Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center
> >> for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at
> >> Urbana-Champaign.
> >> Distributed under a licensing agreement with Spyglass, Inc.
> >> Contains security software licensed from RSA Data Security Inc.
> >> Portions of this software are based in part on the work of the Independent
> >> JPEG Group.
> >> Contains SOCKS client software licensed from Hummingbird Communications
Ltd.
> >> Contains ASN.1 software licensed from Open Systems Solutions, Inc.
> >> Multimedia software components, including Indeo(R); video, Indeo(R) audio,
> >> and Web Design Effects are provided by Intel Corp.
> >> Unix version contains software licensed from Mainsoft Corporation.
Copyright
> >> (c) 1998-1999 Mainsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Mainsoft is a
> >> trademark of Mainsoft Corporation.
> >> Warning: This computer program is protected by copyright law and
> >> international treaties. Unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this
> >> program, or any portion of it, may result in severe civil and criminal
> >> penalties, and will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under the
> >> law.
> >>
> >> Notice the word MICROSOFT anywhere in there? The program was written by
> >> another company, based on work by yet ANOTHER group - Microsoft has only
> >> added bells and whistles (and numerous security holes).
> >
> >Oh yeah, IE is just a big conglomeration of other software. Microsoft
> >didn't write one single line of code, write?
> >
> >Oh yeah, and IE doesn't have ANY additional functionality over Mosaic.
> >
> >Riigggghhhttt....
> >
>
> Hey Myers. We're talking about original ideas, not added functionality and
> writing your own code.
The bulk of IE is original code. If you looked at the code, I bet you not
a single line still exists from Spyglass.
-c
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 02:12:38 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9d6j13$8uf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In alt.destroy.microsoft Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>
> > PASCAL, in any of its' incarnations, can hobble someone trying to use
some
> > of the trickier aspects of C++. Data types, particularly under COM, are
> > abstract and require a far different approach than any Wirth language's
> > strong-typing. Whether that's good or bad, is a matter of opinion, I
guess.
> > Writing code libraries to be distributed and used among platforms as
> > different as C/C++, VB, Java, and ASP kind of demands that level of
> > abstraction.
> >
> > Strong typing is going the way of hair bands, glam rock, and VD that
> > responded to penecillin (God, those were the days <g>).
> >
>
> 'C' programmers may not like the restrictions of Strong Typing. That is to
> say making sure that you only assign avariables to those of the same type.
> And you make sure that when you are transferring between different types
> you do not do some simple mistake which may cause an error in the program.
>
> But let us look at this without the confines of C/C++, PASCAL or any
> language you care to mention. Basically what you hope the language will do
> is some how keep the integrity of abstract data you create. That no matter
> who modifies that variable, when, or where the program will automatically
> catch any invalid values.
Variant data types do a wonderful job at this, provided you play by their
rules. You pull your hair out occasionally while learning the techniques,
though. Especially if you're coming over to it from a deep PASCAL mindset.
(They appear almost heretical at first)
> 'C' programmers would still love to be able to do this, and often have to
> reinvent it one way or another. This would help prevent such problems
> as buffer overflows, which is probably the most common form of bugs in
> a 'C' program. Probably what pisses them off is the fact that most
compilers
> do it in a very superficial way. It complains about every sinlge
infraction
> without any intelligence, or any attempt to differentiate between the
> intent of the programmer and an oversight. This combined with the fact
that
> they are a hell of a lot more ways a program can go wrong than buffer
> overflows, make it more hassle then its worth.
Buffer overflow problems come from not thinking things through most of the
time (In my case, anyway). And, yes, being mother-henned by a compiler can
be quite an annoyance. Anything that makes you remember assembler wistfully,
is a "Bad Thing".
> The difference between a 'C' and maybe a PASCAL programmer, is that data
> integrity is something they like to wrestle with personally, without
having
> to wrestle with the compiler as well.
Just too many constraints are imposed under the PASCAL model. I programmed
in it for years and lamented that constantly. There are certain types of
projects where this isn't a major issue (Basic record handling and the like
where, IMHO, it shines), but, approaching any complex project where data
type flexability is needed, its a PITA to the nth degree.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:17:45 -0400
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >> >> John W. Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >Homosexuality obviously is a defect.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Obviously being a Jew is a defect".
> >> >
> >> >Racist pig.
> >>
> >> Being a homophobic pig is no different from being a racist or sexist pig.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^
> >"-phobic" to be in fear of
> >
> >Since I don't *fear* gays, the accusation doesn't fly.
>
> Uh huh. That's why you're so hostile towards them.
disgust != fear.
Hope that helps
>
> >> THAT is the point which you don't get. 60 years ago the Nazis
> >> considered being a Jew and being a homosexual to be a "defect".
> >> They proceeded to get rid of the defective.
> >>
> >> Now you argue that homosexuals are defective.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why 90% of CEO's are morons
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:22:16 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthew Gardiner"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ninety percent of all CEOs are morons by virtue of the same laws of nature
that tell us that fifty-percent of all people are below average.
If you have to ask below average what? then you're obviously in one of
those below average groups.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:18:21 -0400
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >You write like someone who was abused as a child.
>
> You write like someone who's lost an argument and doesn't have the
> good grace to concede nor the brains to withdraw.
lost what argument?
that guy guys spreading AIDS is a good idea?
>
> --
> Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Andrew Leonard: "Microsoft: Free-software licenses are the devil's
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:19:21 +1200
Visio (from Visio Corp.), Microsof bought the company, which is
perfectly acceptable in the free market, however, then claimed it was
their "innovations" that bought it into being, thats the part that
pisses people off.
Matthew Gardiner
"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
>
> Adam Warner wrote:
>
> > "Meanwhile, Microsoft's plaintive wail over the future of innovation is just
> > a smoke screen. What Microsoft really wants are new markets to dominate,
> > whether they be overseas or on the Net. And apparently the company sees the
> > GPL as standing in the way. But each attempt to demonize the GPL as the
> > enemy of Microsoft-style capitalism risks making the free-software movement
> > stronger instead."
>
> Of course, considering that Microsoft uses 'innovate' to mean either 1) "copy
> the product and run the vendor out of business" or else 2) "steal outright",
> then the GPL really is a threat to 'innovation', in the sense that Microsoft
> uses the term.
>
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: All your MS license are belong to us
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:20:55 +1200
mmnnoo wrote:
>
> Wow, software licenses that 'wears out' so you have to replace them.
> In other words, the subscription model under a different name, and with
> longer rental periods. I wonder if anybody will fall for it this time?
>
> In article <K%FJ6.345$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Flacco"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2716400,00.html
What does an expired license look like? is it all rotten etc?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft "feature"
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 02:22:00 GMT
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [ - snip - ]
> >
> >Further, the message could be written in an imaginary language (or one
known
> >only to the author and recipient, such as Apache which was used during
the
> >WWII). That in itself is a form of encoding. You might be able to
assume
> >that the imaginary language uses typical human language patterns, but if
the
> >language were made specifically to defy all known language patterns, you
are
> >again lost.
> >
>
> It was Navaho, not Apache.
Though slightly off topic, I lived next door to a old fellow who used to be
a Code Talker. Amazing story. I'm quite sure it caused no end of worry to
the enemy as it's nearly impossible to break it when you factor in each
talker's individual style of alliteration and innuendo. He literaly could
give you twenty totally different and incomprehensible descriptions of the
same thing - None of which could be understood even by someone schooled in
the Navaho language. It took being raised up with it to have even a chance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 08 May 2001 02:26:45 GMT
On Mon, 07 May 2001 23:01:08 -0700,
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is flatfish female? I would have assumed that flatfish was a 14 year old
> male with an extremely large chip on his sholder.
Who knows ?
In the past, the Winoroll below:-
"Steve,Mike,Heather,Simon,teknite,keymaster,keys88,Sewer Rat,
S,Sponge,Sarek,piddy,McSwain,pickle_pete,Ishmeal_hafizi,Amy,
Simon777,Claire,Flatfish+++,Flatfish"
has claimed to have a Wife and kids, never a Husband and kids
so I'm quite sure that this entity is male.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: All your MS license are belong to us
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:27:49 +1200
Flacco wrote:
>
> Another predictable move by Microsoft -
>
> No more perpetual use clause in corporate licensing agreements:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2716400,00.html
>
> MS representative responds with equally predictable MS double-speak:
>
> "We're continually looking at how we do volume licensing and product
> support to benefit our customers," said a Microsoft spokeswoman. She
> declined to comment further on any pending changes.
>
> Reason #15409348 to avoid commercial vendors wherever possible and MS in
> particular.
oh, just read the article, what Microsoft is saying is that a soup
kitchen for the homeless is a threat to the restaurant across the road
(in lay-mans terms). Maybe Microsoft should market on Windows and Office
on their "benefits", because that's what they have been proclaiming
makes Microsoft software superior. In theory, by Microsoft's claims,
consumers will still buy Microsoft software because it is superior.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:17:06 -0600
On Tue, 08 May 2001 01:56:38 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The bulk of IE is original code. If you looked at the code, I bet you not
>a single line still exists from Spyglass.
Can you give me a URL where I can look at IE code?
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is the future, say former MS execs
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:34:58 +1200
Joe Ogiba wrote:
>
> "Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:4vDJ6.18457$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/18768.html
> >
> > Better sell my shares in Microsoft... oh yeah, I don't have any.
> >
> > --
> > Pete
> Yeah I hear IBM,Compaq,HP,Dell and Gateway will install Linux on ALL PC's in
> the future because there is no demand for a PC with the Windows OS.Linux
> rules...yeah baby.Microsoft will be out of business by the end of the
> year...yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Grab a copy of Linux, grab some games from Loki, install Corel
Wordperfect Suite 2000 for Linux, and you will have a great setup for
the average user.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 02:32:18 GMT
"Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> > While I'll agree with the earlier assessment that you can do anything in
> > PASCAL you can in C
>
> not in _standard_ pascal you can't.
>
> one *huge* weakness of pascal is that it interprets vectors and arrays
> of different sizes as wholy different types. thus if you make a
> procedure to handle strings of lenght 10, you need another, distinct,
> procedure to handle strings of length 11.
Standard PASCAL is useless outside of its' role as an educational tool. It
wouldn't have gotten anywhere else had Borland not dressed it up so.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 08 May 2001 02:38:17 GMT
On Mon, 07 May 2001 23:29:31 -0700,
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> > She likes CDE under Sun better, but first she wants to try
>> > Linux on her own machine. Half the things she wants to do is a PITA
>>
>> You can get CDE for Linux now, free of charge, IIRC.
>>
>> -Ed
>>
>> --
>> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>>
>> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
> You can buy it through the same company that sells xing, I think its
> around $30, however, there is a freebie version called xfce which is a
> very good take-off of CDE for Linux, and it is extremely stable.
Exactly, and the latest version is out now, (search www.freshmeat.net).
Some of my kids love this interface, and its what I'm going to put
on my wifes box (if I can ever get her off IRC!).
XFCE is well designed, and fast. As I recall it sped in just under
Windowmaker for resource usage.
I myself have used it a fair bit, and have never had any major
problems with it.
The new version even has a SMB GUI!
>
> Matthew Gardiner
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Kind Regards
Terry
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