Linux-Advocacy Digest #311, Volume #34 Tue, 8 May 01 01:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows NT: lost in space? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT (Chad Everett)
Re: Apple is doing a good thing (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud)
Re: Why does Flatfoot feel so threatened? (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) ("Steve
Sheldon")
Re: Why is Microsoft opening more Windows source code? (jtnews)
Re: where's the linux performance? (GreyCloud)
Re: where's the linux performance? (GreyCloud)
Microsoft's move away from perpetual licensing proves that the closed (jtnews)
Re: Linux Advocacy (GreyCloud)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows NT: lost in space?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 23:59:24 -0400
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Well, Mir *did* last for over twice as long as initially intended
> > (IIRC), so a few glitches near the end have to be expected.
> > Maybe the Russians can use the Windows source code and help
> > NASA fix a few of the bugs in it ;)
> The Russians are very good programmers, I have used several anti-virus
> tools by Russian software companies (for Windows), and they are far
> superior to what the likes of Symantec and McAfee have to offer.
>
Yes...they are a nation of chess-players, compared to the US, which
is a nation of poker-players.
when it comes to this sort of algorithm development, the chess-player's
mind will always be the best for the task
> Matthew Gardiner
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 7 May 2001 22:30:03 -0500
On Tue, 08 May 2001 01:56:38 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sun, 06 May 2001 13:25:57 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >"Paul Dossett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:9d1bcp$2pi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >
>> >> > "JVercherIII" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:ADVI6.297$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > > Civility people! I use both Linux and Windows, and both have their
>> >> places
>> >> > > (IMHO). I make a living right now writing VB programs so I'm kind of
>> >> > living
>> >> > > off the Microsoft gravy train. That being said, they do some things
>> >> which
>> >> > > are very unpleasing. My main complaint with Microsoft is that they
>> >> stifle
>> >> > > innovation. They never have come up with an original idea.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bullshit, and a big one.
>> >> >
>> >> > To name a few of the top of my head:
>> >> > COM
>> >> > COM+
>> >> > MTS
>> >> > IE (No other browser can come even close, Mozilla can't render yahoo.com
>> >> > properly, and crash when you try to send a bug report)
>> >>
>> >> IE, you say? Here's IE's copyright info:
>> >>
>> >> Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center
>> >> for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at
>> >> Urbana-Champaign.
>> >> Distributed under a licensing agreement with Spyglass, Inc.
>> >> Contains security software licensed from RSA Data Security Inc.
>> >> Portions of this software are based in part on the work of the Independent
>> >> JPEG Group.
>> >> Contains SOCKS client software licensed from Hummingbird Communications
>Ltd.
>> >> Contains ASN.1 software licensed from Open Systems Solutions, Inc.
>> >> Multimedia software components, including Indeo(R); video, Indeo(R) audio,
>> >> and Web Design Effects are provided by Intel Corp.
>> >> Unix version contains software licensed from Mainsoft Corporation.
>Copyright
>> >> (c) 1998-1999 Mainsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Mainsoft is a
>> >> trademark of Mainsoft Corporation.
>> >> Warning: This computer program is protected by copyright law and
>> >> international treaties. Unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this
>> >> program, or any portion of it, may result in severe civil and criminal
>> >> penalties, and will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under the
>> >> law.
>> >>
>> >> Notice the word MICROSOFT anywhere in there? The program was written by
>> >> another company, based on work by yet ANOTHER group - Microsoft has only
>> >> added bells and whistles (and numerous security holes).
>> >
>> >Oh yeah, IE is just a big conglomeration of other software. Microsoft
>> >didn't write one single line of code, write?
>> >
>> >Oh yeah, and IE doesn't have ANY additional functionality over Mosaic.
>> >
>> >Riigggghhhttt....
>> >
>>
>> Hey Myers. We're talking about original ideas, not added functionality and
>> writing your own code.
>
>The bulk of IE is original code. If you looked at the code, I bet you not
>a single line still exists from Spyglass.
>
...and no original ideas in there anywhere.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apple is doing a good thing
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:07:20 -0700
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Mon, 7 May 2001 04:28:57 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:9d38qv$hid$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > >> > That's why 98/ME will be dead this
> >> > > >> > year, replaced by Windows XP.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> In exactly the same way they were replaced by Windows 2000.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > They weren't intended to be replaced by Windows 2000.
> >> > >
> >> > > They were. OK, so MS switched away from this idea as soon (pretty
> >soon)
> >> > > as it was evident that Win2K was not good enough, but initially, Win2K
> >> > > was meant to be the great unfork in the road.
> >> >
> >> > Yes. Windows 98 was first intended to be the last 9x based product, but
> >as
> >> > Win2k grew, they realized they had too much on their plate. They had to
> >cut
> >> > a few things, and one of them was the consumer version, which is why
> >Win98SE
> >> > came out (which gives you an idea of exactly how long ago this was).
> >> >
> >> > Hell, it was even before the name Windows 2000 existed. It was still
> >called
> >> > Windows NT 5 back then.
> >> >
> >> > > > MS will stop selling 9x based OS's after XP is released.
> >> > >
> >> > > Like they did with Win2K.
> >> >
> >> > They didn't have a consumer version of Win2k. They DO have a consumer
> >> > version of XP.
> >>
> >> You mean a planned version called XP. Its not for sale yet.
> >
> >The date is set, October 29th.
> >
>
> It's going to be quite amazing when, on the morning of October 30th, the
> world will still be facing world hunger, poverty, war, and crappy Microsoft
> software.
Maybe Microsoft can move the release date to October 31st!
In memory of the Halloween papers.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:14:10 -0700
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On Mon, 07 May 2001 23:29:31 -0700,
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Edward Rosten wrote:
> >>
> >> > She likes CDE under Sun better, but first she wants to try
> >> > Linux on her own machine. Half the things she wants to do is a PITA
> >>
> >> You can get CDE for Linux now, free of charge, IIRC.
> >>
> >> -Ed
> >>
> >> --
> >> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
> >>
> >> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
> > You can buy it through the same company that sells xing, I think its
> > around $30, however, there is a freebie version called xfce which is a
> > very good take-off of CDE for Linux, and it is extremely stable.
> Exactly, and the latest version is out now, (search www.freshmeat.net).
>
> Some of my kids love this interface, and its what I'm going to put
> on my wifes box (if I can ever get her off IRC!).
>
> XFCE is well designed, and fast. As I recall it sped in just under
> Windowmaker for resource usage.
>
> I myself have used it a fair bit, and have never had any major
> problems with it.
>
> The new version even has a SMB GUI!
>
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> Kind Regards
> Terry
> --
> **** ****
> My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
> 1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
> Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
> ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
These are good to know resources. Thank you! Now we have entered linux
advocacy.
Providing resources for a different way to do things is great.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:16:10 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 07 May 2001 09:01:14 -0400, Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >A Pentium IV chip, that is...
> Too expensive at the moment.
>
> Flatfish
You wouldn't want one anyway. The power dissipation alone is 54 Watts!
With the cost of power going up?
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:19:02 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> billwg wrote:
> >
> > I think that you would be hard pressed to cite any such e-mail that
> > described a requirement for any illegal contract negotiation. Microsoft
has
> > been very rigorous in following the Consent Agreement in all actions
> > subsequent to signing the Consent Agreement.
>
> you misspelled "tiptoeing on very-carefully worded changes they nogotiated
> into the Consent decrees so that they could violate the spirit of said
decrees."
>
> Judge Jackson recognized this, which is why he said he wants them broken
up.
Here's a breif description of the SPIRIT of the consent decree:
DOJ - "Well after 12,000 hours of ass reaming, we got absolutely nothing to
prosecute, but were HUGE and will never leave you alone.
Microsoft - Here's a bone which will help you save face. Well sign this
decree which really obligates us to do just about nothing and won't cost us
a penny in sales losses.
DOJ - Thank You, you saved our ass.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:23:32 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > Dave Martel wrote:
> > >
> > > On 06 May 2001 01:07:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Why not, 62 apps! :-
> > >
> > > Geez, no wonder MS is getting so worried. Their timing was WAY off on
> > > this one. It's far, far too late to stop the open-source movement.
> > >
> > > I've got this mental image of BG tied across the tracks desperately
> > > reciting his anti-linux mantra while a trainload of penguins bears
> > > down on him. Heh heh!
> >
> > I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
> > Seagull.
> > Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls go on
> > a straffing run!
>
> Gould already did that with a flying dinosaur with IBM and DEC sales droids
> running for cover.
>
> >
> > --
> > V
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
Hehehe... Worked on the waterfront on swingshift... one night someone
yelled out "RUN!".. looked up and there were hundreds of seagulls
coming. Got into a bus stop and all you could hear was the constant
splattering of seagull shit.
The reason I used the seagull is that they fly free. Another, is that
seagulls make a lot of racket and shit all over the place and is
protected by the government.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why does Flatfoot feel so threatened?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:26:08 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > If you or I were Chase Bank or Exxon or some other fortune 100 company
> > they would, but unfortunately we are not so we don't count.
> >
> > MS support is truly pitiful, although their webiste has gotten a lot
> > better in recent months. It was among the worst on the net followed
> > closely by IBM's.
> >
> > Flatfish
> WHen you ring up and get asked how you are going to pay for the support,
> I hanged up the phone. I now run a Solaris box with Forte Developer
> C/C++ 6, and although I, in theory, donot receive support (as I have no
> support contract), SUN New Zealand have always been more than happy to
> help out.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
How do you like the Forte Developer?? Can you tell me if it is better
than gcc or g++??
I'm always curious when comparing products.
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From: "Steve Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:29:54 -0500
"Richard J. Donovan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:XMGJ6.136504$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > At least it isn't in the Windows 2000 world, where a GUI means a lot
more
> > than a way to open up multiple xterm windows and cut and paste text
between
> > them, like X11 represents.
> >
>
> Don't you mean, cut and past between xterm windows on multiple desktops?
>
> ... such as X11 represents?
That is actually a function of the window manager.
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From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why is Microsoft opening more Windows source code?
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 04:30:24 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> Whatever his reasons, they are irrelevant. The use of the term "free" is
> confusing and ambiguous. It only makes it more difficult for the GPL to be
> taken seriously.
If you listen to the speech,
he's contemplated alternatives
to the word free, but there
aren't any ones that are much better.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where's the linux performance?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:37:04 -0700
Jonathan Martindell wrote:
>
> Thank you for the information. I'm still far from closing the book on linux
> for me. I hope this summer provides me with the opportunity to explore it
> more. Thank you again.
>
> -Jonathan
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Mart van de Wege wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <9d242m$n03$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jonathan Martindell"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm just a beginning Linux user. I've recently tried Linux-Mandrake
> 7.2
> > > > and then Linux-Mandrake 8.0 and also Caldera OpenLinux 2.4. I've been
> > > > very disappointed in the performance of all of these. My machine, I
> > > > think, should be more than adaquate: 708MHz celeron fcppga cpu, 256
> meg
> > > > rams, 10 gig partition for linux (20 for windows 2000) on Ultra66.
> I've
> > > > tried running KDE, Gnome, and Icevm. Programs like KMail take over 10
> > > > seconds to load. StarOffice takes a really long time too. When I'm
> > > > using win2000 I never have this problem. Even on comparable software.
> > > > Forte for Java and StarOffice both load many, many times faster in
> > > > windows vs linux. Do you think that my linux isn't configured for
> > > > maximum performance? I've spent some time looking through websites
> and
> > > > have noticed an increase when I use the hdparm tool but nothing
> > > > extrodinary. If this is the extent of the linux performance than I
> > > > don't think I'll be sticking with it. However, if it just requires
> more
> > > > work than setting up windows and you ultimately get greater
> performance
> > > > than I will definitely stick with it. I enjoy tinkering with
> computers
> > > > in that way. What do all of you think of this? Do you know of any
> > > > websites that show the results of linux benchmarks? Any help would be
> > > > greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Jonathan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Jonathan,
> > >
> > > First of all, if necessary, apologies for the people thinking you are a
> > > troll. They have been reading this group longer than I am, and most
> posts
> > > like yours turn out to be someone who is out to troll this group instead
> > > of really asking for help.
> > > That being said, I think there are some things that might be worth
> > > looking into. As someone else remarked, first check if you don't have
> any
> > > unnecessary services running, this can really bring down your
> > > performance. Second, you said that a little tweaking with hdparm brought
> > > a noticable, if small increase. This for me would indicate that the
> stock
> > > kernels in your distros are not optimized for your hardware.
> > > Unfortunately, this means that you will have to recompile your kernel.
> > > Fortunately, this is quite easy. I'll give you a quick rundown:
> > >
> > > 1. First locate the kernel sources. They are usually in /usr/src/linux.
> > > If necessary, download the most recent kernel yourself.
> > > 2. In a terminal, as root, go to the kernel source directory.
> > > 3. do 'make xconfig' if you want a grapical configuration, or 'make
> > > menuconfig' if you want it text-based.
> > > 4. Make sure you have an accurate spec sheet of all your hardware handy,
> > > and select the necessary options. It is safe to compile everything
> > > *except* your HD drivers and your root filesystem (usually ext2) as
> > > modules.
> > > 5. Pay special attention to the HD parameters. There are several options
> > > there to optimize your performance (if you have an Intel 440BX
> > > motherboard, select PIIX tuning support, for example).
> > > 6. Choose save and exit.
> > > 7. Do 'make dep' optionally followed by 'make clean'
> > > 8. Do 'make bzImage'
> > > 9. Do 'make modules modules_install'
> > > 10. Your kernel will be in arch/i386/boot/bzImage. Copy it to /boot,
> > > optionally renaming it (I always call mine vmlinuz-<version>).
> > > 11. Edit /etc/lilo.conf. The easiest way is using Linuxconf, and choose
> > > 'Add new kernel' in the 'Boot' menu. Fill in the relevant details.
> > > 12. Do 'lilo' for good measure.
> > >
> > > After rebooting, you should have a marked improvement in performance. My
> > > HD went from 5 M/s to 20 M/s. Play a little with hdparm to squeeze more
> > > out of your system if necessary. Read the Kernel-HOWTO for more details.
> > >
> > > Good Luck,
> > >
> > > Mart
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
> > > Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
> > > For that icy feel when you start to swerve
> > >
> > > John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
> >
> > HEHE! That's usually the same response I found in a Windows performance
> > ng as well.
> > Run lean run fast. Still, windows just starts running slower and slower
> > as time goes on. Eventually, you have to start doing repairs or even a
> > total re-installation of windows. As a suggestion to everybody: go to a
> > windows performance ng and watch the headaches arrive daily. You'll
> > find everything from "Windows installation burned up my computer while I
> > had my microwave oven plugged in" to "I'm trying to install another HD,
> > but windows doesn't recognize it" complaints.
> >
> > --
> > V
Throughout the years, the best thing in the beginning is to watch and
listen. (Newsgroups) With any OS, purchase a good book or two and
read. Also takes some practice as well, so a good distro can be
installed as a dual-boot type of machine where you keep windows but
allows you to boot to Linux as well. Read about the areas of Lilo, and
the installation requirements needed for you hardware. Some of the
better distros allow you to install without knowing what you have in
your machine, but its still a good idea to know what you have inside
your machine. Good luck and happy computing.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where's the linux performance?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:40:10 -0700
Mart van de Wege wrote:
>
> In article <GvwJ6.4339$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "~�~"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Jonathan Martindell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9d242m$n03$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > [ The usual shocked and amazed reaction to finding out that what was
> > read about 'speed' turned out to be pure fantasy snipped ]
> >
> > Welcome to the land of the snowed. It's not faster, is it? No, it's not.
> > In fact, waiting for GUI apps to load is quite painful, isn't it?
>
> Hmm. Never bothered me. StarOffice takes a few seconds yes, and Galeon
> takes about 5 seconds initializing the java VM yes, but that is about it.
> Most apps appear within 3 seconds *at most* and I don't have a mega fast
> system.
>
> Fonts
> > look terrible at higher resolutions, don't they?
>
> Running at 1280x1024. Type 1 fonts look just fine. Standard bitmap fonts
> are ugly yes, but most distro's don't install them as default fonts
> anymore.
>
> Switching those same
> > resolutions isn't pretty, is it? That's because all you're doing is in
> > effect 'zooming' the desktop, not changing the video resolution. That is
> > why when you go from higher to lower you can't see the kde taskbar
> > anymore.
>
> And when you have found a resolution that suits you, why in the seven
> hells would you want to switch to a lower one? This isn't Windows where
> most idiot programmers think everyone is still running at 800x600.
>
> >Drag the Netscape window around your desktop. Ugly, isn't it?
>
> Yep. That's why I run Mozilla (without debugging code it's quite
> bearable) or better yet, Galeon.
>
> > Scroll a text window quickly. Ooohhh, that's not good, is it? 21st
> > century stuff, huh?
>
> Yep, quick and zippy. I can even scroll back in a terminal window if it
> scrolls out of view too fast. That's something I've yet to see on
> Windows, 9x or NT.
>
> On the good side, however, you don't have to reboot
> > after you fart as you do with windows. But then you'll spend a lot,
> > scratch that, a WHOLE lot more time learning how to configure things. If
> > your time is not an issue then linux is the bargain of the century.
>
> Yes, true, you will have tweak a few plain text files if you want to
> utilize the full power of Linux. OTOH, you don't have to mess around with
> a cryptic registry just to deinstall a program cleanly.
>
> >
> > Like perl? python? C? typing? a fast and powerful cli? Then you have
> > nirvana.
> > Otherwise you have 'cool', but NOT something for a day to day
> > recreational user.
> > At all.
> >
> >
> Yep, this guy is a programmer. He'll definitely enjoy Linux, as it at
> least comes with all the dev tools he'll ever need. Gee, what happened to
> that BASIC interpreter that used to ship with Windows?
>
> HAND,
>
> Mart
>
> --
> Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
> Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
> For that icy feel when you start to swerve
>
> John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
You don't suppose that these people are running for this years' Darwin
award do you??
Maybe we should create a second-runner up award. Like the "Billy
Butt-Crust" award?
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From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Microsoft's move away from perpetual licensing proves that the closed
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 04:37:01 GMT
Microsoft's move away from perpetual
licensing proves that the closed
source model doesn't work!
Read this article on CNET!
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5851009.html?tag=lh
The inherent problem with the closed source
model, is that any company that provides
such software must come up with revised
versions to generate a profit even if
no further revisions are warranted or even
desired by the people using the software.
With the open source software model, the public
has the ability to fork off the code, keep
their own versions, and hence retain the
functionality and carry it to newer operating
systems and other computing environments indefinitely
as they see fit.
So you see even Microsoft is admitting that
the closed source model doesn't work.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Advocacy
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:43:22 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> >
> > Trolling I see. What's the matter, invest too heavily in MS stock?
> > Divest young man.
> Just a small warning to the newbie investor, invest into old economy
> stocks such as General Electric, Coca Cola and Pepsi. They are
> reliable, long term investments into companies that actually make
> money. To e-commerce wankers out there, the aim of a business is to
> make as much money as possible, and clearly, that has been left out of
> the puzzle with this big dot-con hype.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
Seattle has a lot of dot.com bombs lately. Even one woman saw a turkey
vulture the other day in Seattle.
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