Linux-Advocacy Digest #333, Volume #34 Tue, 8 May 01 16:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows NT: lost in space? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: the Boom, Boom department (GreyCloud)
Re: Now push hard ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux and MP3s ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux and MP3s ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: the Boom, Boom department (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux and MP3s ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: the Boom, Boom department (GreyCloud)
Re: Cold feet or Reality Check? (GreyCloud)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Cold feet or Reality Check? (GreyCloud)
Re: IE ("Michael Pye")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:24:12 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > People like Daniel Johnson are closet-dicatators and wannabe slavemasters,
> > just like all those Marxist nerds salivating every night over a chance to
> > wreak revenge over their high school classmates who bullied them.
> >
> > How about, Max, when the anti-enslavement revolution comes, we throw
> > Mr. Johnson up against the wall with all the commie assholes?
>
> Now now, a point of order: I'm really very right wing,
> politically.
>
> If you want to attack me with political insults, you should
> be calling me a *nazi*, not a commie.
>
> *Especially* on economics. I think trusts are good and unions
> bad. Down with the minimum wage! Up with sweatshops! :D
>
> I just love George W.
>
> Mind you, I'm not saying we should have an off-topic
> political discussion here.
>
> I just want you to get your insults straight.
>
> I'm not a bleeding-heart pinko punk. I'm a capitalist
> running-dog swine-pig.
If you're a capitalist, then why are you defending a corporation
which uses ILLEGAL techniques to prevent there from even BEING
a free market for consumers?
>
> Got it? :D
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows NT: lost in space?
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:26:42 -0400
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> <snip>
>
> > > Yes...they are a nation of chess-players, compared to the US, which
> > > is a nation of poker-players.
> > >
> > > when it comes to this sort of algorithm development, the chess-player's
> > > mind will always be the best for the task
> > >
> > Mind you, wouldn't you play chess if you lived in Siberia, from negative
> > 50 degrees celcius during the winter to a max of 35-40 degrees celcius
> > during the summer.
>
> Explains the massive amounts of Vodka guzzled, too.
No...the vodka guzzling is for the same reason that medieval Europe lived
on wine... fresh water that isn't properly treated is potentially lethal.
And most tap water in Russia is NOT potable
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:27:38 -0700
Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>
> "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.os.linux.advocacy :
>
> >> Linux is not yet a credible games platform.
> >
> >What you meant to say is, "Linux does not have as many commercial games published
>for
> >it as Windows does."
>
> What I mean to say is precisely "Linux is not yet a credible games
> platform". In other words, the majority of people don't take or
> believe Linux to be an appropriate Operating System for which to play
> games.
>
> >This speaks *nothing* of Linux as a platform.
>
> Yes, it does, it speaks volumes. Linux distributors are competing
> in the desktop OS market against other non-Linux OSes that have
> a plentiful supply of quality games available. Linux doesn't. Yet.
>
> --
> "S+M is outta the question, have you got a better suggestion
> I'm fed up of waving my right hand" - rat salad www.ratsalad.co.uk
Then why has Sony adopted Linux for their Playstation 2??
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Now push hard
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:28:00 -0400
Glitch wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> > By the way, my company is using Starofice for desktop office,
> >> > and developing a Java program to substitute gestion one.
> >>
> >> How are you finding the MS-Conversions in Staroffice? Last time I used
> >> it it still had quite a few errors (some subtle - some not), but I am
> >
> > More likely, the errors are in MS..
> >
> >
>
> THe java version of ICQ is horrendously slow.
Well DUHHHH...
Java is an interpreted language.
> Limewire (gnutella clone)
> isn't too bad but still a bit on the slow side. Both of them for some
> reason always want to open windows on my screen so the title bar is above
> my viewing area which means the only way i can move the windows around is
> with the 'virtual window' viewing area in the lower left corner of my E
> desktop. I don't know why the java apps do that but the damn thing is
> annoying.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and MP3s
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:28:43 -0400
"." wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Craig Kelley wrote:
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
> >>
> >> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > There are several. When you do the install, they'll be available
> >> > > on the appliations menu.
> >> >
> >> > Uhh...wrong. The default xmms install (assuming that you do not have
> >> > gnome installed) drops everything in /usr/local/bin, but not into any
> >> > "applications menu".
> >> >
> >> > Unless you are *specifically* using mandrake,
> >>
> >> ... or any other distribution's packaging system.
> >>
> >> > you fucking moron.
> >>
> >> No comment. :)
> >>
> >> > > If you put the drive with the MP3's in during installation, and
> >> > > leave it alone (with it's current formatting, etc.), then it will
> >> > > be mounted into the filesystem on your first boot-up.
> >> >
> >> > Are you insane?
> >>
> >> Aaron? Quite.
>
> > Most distributions will make mount-points and /etc/fstab entries for LoseDOS
>partitions.
>
> If by most, you mean some, and by some you mean mandrake, redhat, corel and progeny,
>then
> yes.
>
Suse, too.
> -----.
>
> --
> "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
>
> ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and MP3s
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:29:33 -0400
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On 8 May 2001 12:51:51 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Most distributions will make mount-points and /etc/fstab entries for
> > > LoseDOS partitions.
> >
> > If by most, you mean some, and by some you mean mandrake, redhat, corel
> > and progeny, then yes.
>
> Caldera too.
And Suse.
Probably VA Linux, too (althought I'm not certain).
Yes... Mandrake, RedHat, Corel, Progeny, Caldera and Suse...
I would say that that's most of the distributions that matter to the newbie user.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| Codem Systems, Inc.
> -| http://www.codem.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:28:54 -0700
Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy :
>
> >Since when does microsoft throw in a show case game for free??
>
> They do NOT throw in the proverbial old kitchen sink - per Linux.
>
> --
> "S+M is outta the question, have you got a better suggestion
> I'm fed up of waving my right hand" - rat salad www.ratsalad.co.uk
Then what's that goofy looking solitaire game in every release of
windows doing there then?
--
V
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and MP3s
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:29:57 -0400
"." wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Mark Styles wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Fellow advocates,
> >> >>
> >> >> I currently have my entire CD collection stored in MP3 format on a
> >> >> 30Gb hard drive in a Windows PC.
> >> >>
> >> >> Because I use that PC for other things, which sometimes interfere with
> >> >> the music, I've been busy building a new PC to be a dedicated
> >> >> 'jukebox' on our LAN.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've decided as an experiment to install Linux on the new PC to see
> >> >> how well it handles my musical needs.
> >> >>
> >> >> My question is, what applications should I use to emulate XingMP3
> >> >> Player functionality?
> >>
> >> > There are several. When you do the install, they'll be available
> >> > on the appliations menu.
> >>
> >> Uhh...wrong. The default xmms install (assuming that you do not have
> >> gnome installed) drops everything in /usr/local/bin, but not into any
> >> "applications menu".
> >>
> >> Unless you are *specifically* using mandrake, you fucking moron.
> >>
> >> > If you put the drive with the MP3's in during installation, and
> >> > leave it alone (with it's current formatting, etc.), then it will
> >> > be mounted into the filesystem on your first boot-up.
> >>
> >> Are you insane? What the hell is the matter with you? It very much
> >> depends on which distribution youre using, cocksmack.
>
> > Worked for my Linux-illiterate friend on his first install.
>
> You dont even actually know what a 'distribution' is, do you.
I own several, you fool.
>
> -----.
>
> --
> "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
>
> ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:31:10 -0700
Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter) wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.os.linux.advocacy :
>
> >Its interesting to me that most distos dont include any really good Linux games.
>
> I know Windows 2000 only ships with 4 games of a passable quality.
> Most Linux distributions on the other hand ship with a lot of tripe.
>
> >Because there are plenty of them.
>
> This does not explain why Linux distributions waste distribution media
> by shipping tripe.
>
> Windows 2000 Professional fits on 1 CDROM. Some Linux distributions
> require 2 or 3 CDROMs, because of the tendency of distributors to
> 'throw in' superfluous material, eg. the awful games.
>
> --
> "S+M is outta the question, have you got a better suggestion
> I'm fed up of waving my right hand" - rat salad www.ratsalad.co.uk
Trolling Trolling Trolling... keep them doggies rolling... rawhide...
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cold feet or Reality Check?
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:32:12 -0700
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Mikkel Elmholdt wrote:
> > >
> > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:UCvJ6.7172$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > >
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20010505/tc/microsoft_shelves_office_xp_subs
> > > > cription_plan_1.html
> > > >
> > > > You be the judge...
> > >
> > > Naaaaa ... as far as I can see, there's no talk about removing the
> "feature"
> > > about having to register your copy of XP over the Internet (that would
> have
> > > been nice). This subscription stuff is IMO a minor thing, compared to
> that.
> > > Some Open Source companies. like Red Hat (i.e. Red Hat Network), are
> also
> > > doing something along the same lines (or talking about doing it).
> > >
> > > Much more "interesting" is the apparent plan to refuse Office 95 owners
> an
> > > upgrade. (Take that, you cheap SOBs ...)
> > >
> > > Mikkel
> >
> > So, you're rich I see! Why should anyone throw out software if it works
> > for them?
> > All the better to sway them to Linux.
>
> If they attempt to twist peoples arms to upgrade or subscribe, what'll
> happen is a lot of bootlegging of their older software. MS is kind of damned
> if you do damned if you don't at this point. They need to find new pastures.
> This one is grazed out.
On that I agree.
--
V
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 19:33:40 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > I just want you to get your insults straight.
> >
> > I'm not a bleeding-heart pinko punk. I'm a capitalist
> > running-dog swine-pig.
>
> If you're a capitalist, then why are you defending a corporation
> which uses ILLEGAL techniques to prevent there from even BEING
> a free market for consumers?
I don't think they do.
And I think that that's not such an uncommon
view, for a capitalist running-dog swine-pig
type.
This whole "big companies are evil exploiters
of the proletariat^H^H^H^Hconsumer" thing is
really a pretty left wing sort of position,
conventionally speaking.
------------------------------
From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cold feet or Reality Check?
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:32:53 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 08 May 2001 00:05:43 -0700
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Mikkel Elmholdt wrote:
> >>
> >> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:UCvJ6.7172$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20010505/tc/
> >> >microsoft_shelves_office_xp_subscription_plan_1.html
> >> >
> >> > You be the judge...
> >>
> >> Naaaaa ... as far as I can see, there's no talk about removing
> >> the "feature" about having to register your copy of XP over the
> >> Internet (that would have been nice). This subscription stuff is
> >> IMO a minor thing, compared to that. Some Open Source companies.
> >> like Red Hat (i.e. Red Hat Network), are also doing something
> >> along the same lines (or talking about doing it).
> >>
> >> Much more "interesting" is the apparent plan to refuse Office 95
> >> owners an upgrade. (Take that, you cheap SOBs ...)
> >>
> >> Mikkel
> >
> >So, you're rich I see! Why should anyone throw out software if it works
> >for them?
> >All the better to sway them to Linux.
>
> Word 2002. Now with the NEW, IMPROVED paper clip....
>
> :-)
>
> >
> >--
> >V
>
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> EAC code #191 8d:01h:18m actually running Linux.
> [ ] Check here to always trust monopolistic software.
LOL!! The only thing improved is the fancy box and the name.
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From: "Michael Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: IE
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:27:25 +0100
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> Because Microsoft has already put all the "pressure on browser
> manufacturer's" I would ever want to see, already. You cannot mandate
> standards, Michael.
>
> Don't let Microsoft's extreme activity confuse you: real competitors
> don't try to destroy standards, and aren't necessarily acting
> anti-competitively just because they do not voluntarily implement some
> standard.
Fair point. However, I wasn't suggesting the same sort of pressure. If (and
of course we are talking completely hypothetically here), I were to engineer
a new language for the presentation of information over the internet, I
would wish to personally pressure large browsers like opera and the mozilla
engine (as used in NS6+, nautilus etc...) to implement the standard as an
alternative to HTML in their products. However, I would not stand to gain
from that arrangement financially, or in the market. I would merely pressure
in the sense of pointing out the current state of affairs and the advantages
to both developers and consumers from my new technology and ask them to
implement it to the benefit of all. If they don't then that is fine...
I didn't intent to imply the kind of pressure microsoft apply by their
market domination to steer the market in the most favourable direction for
them.
If such a standard were to be developed by myself, I would do it through
open sourced channels, such as a modification of the mozilla engine as a
starting point. This would ensure that the standard was widely assessed and
appraised before it was implemented and also that market gains did not enter
into the matter.
> It is the "it lost because" that turns an observation of market trends
> (the consumer market valued long record time over fidelity; the
> professional market {which still uses Beta extensively; no,
> ubiquitously} made the opposite approach more popular.
>
> So how precisely did Betamax manufacturers "lose", when they simply
> abandoned the "cheapest price possible" consumer market for the
> high-value, less price-sensitive professional market? Sounds to me like
> the VHS guys were the losers, maybe.
I was actually unaware of the fact that the industry used the betamax
standard. I don't know if they do in the UK, but I simply picked an example
that came to mind. As far as I knew, betamax had sunk without a trace, but I
stand corrected.
> Most people should learn not to hyper-extend their amateur perspective
> so emphatically, then.
Well that put me in my place didn't it.
Fair enough, we live and learn. Don't be too harsh I probably haven't been
doing either as long as yourself (no offence meant, I have only had 17 years
of living to gather my general knowledge)
MP
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