Linux-Advocacy Digest #588, Volume #34 Fri, 18 May 01 05:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (GreyCloud)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("jet")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (GreyCloud)
Re: Rant: Report from the newbie front (GreyCloud)
Re: Here we go: Mundie vs GPL, round two... (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: Linux takes Hollywood by storm! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) ("David Brown")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("jet")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux takes Hollywood by storm! ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:47:43 -0700
jet wrote:
>
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > jet wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > jet wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > chrisv wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> HMMM??? Are you claiming then that homosexual behavior is a
> > > > > disease????????
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Close. He's claiming that it's the RESULT of a disease
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Or something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kookis, don't you tire of displaying your ignorance and bad
> logic to
> > > > > > > the world?
> > > > >
> > > > > Obviously not.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
> > > > > > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Defective in what way?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > nonproductive
> > >
> > > We've got 6 billion people. Doesn't seem like much of a defect.
> > >
> > > Is masturbation defective behavior?
> > >
> > > J
> >
> > Nope! Just a result from a defective female!
>
> As if men don't masturbate. LOL.
>
> J
Of course they DO! Doh!
They do if they are married. I suspect that you know very little of the
anotomy of men.
It isnt' mental stuff. Even my wife is smart enough to know that! Any
internal gland or void (lack of a better word) is subject to
infection... for instance the nasal cavities if they aren't drained
properly can get infected... prostate gland needs to be emptied or a
possibility of either infections or cancer may result.
And women that are in their prime masturbate too! If they aren't
married and don't they have a serious problem waiting to happen. It is
natural.
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V
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:49:20 +0100
>> > The male may be at less risk for HIV transmission than the female
>> > through vaginal intercourse. However, HIV can enter the body of
>> > the male through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the
>> > penis) or through small cuts or open sores on the penis.
>>
>> Blood pressure prevents this.
>
> Blood comes out of the urethra?
Come, on Jet. Haven't you learned that kookis is more intelligent and
better informed on all matters than the experts in the field?
-Ed
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From: "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:50:36 -0700
Roberto Pavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
> > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
>
> Why? Seriously. Why should they demonstrate anything?
>
> Seeing as it affects you not one whit whether someone chooses to have sex
with
> someone of the same gender, why should they have to prove anything to you
at all
> regarding this behaviour? Why not go on wearing your tutu and playing
with your
> sock while listening to Barry Manilow records and staring at pictures of
flatulent
> field mice and leave them the hell alone?
Oh, come on, you know Aaron does't like looking at pictures of field mice.
J
Both you and they will be ever so much
> happier...
>
> --
> The Deliverator
>
> "The only he-man on skates ever to come out of the US was Tonya
> Harding."
> -- Anonymous Coward on Slashdot
>
>
>
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:50:14 -0700
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2001 23:50:45 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >>
> >> > HAHAHAHA!! Once in a while one has to be able to laugh at yourself. Us
> >> > Yanks can laugh at ourselves a lot... and I also laugh at a lot of them
> >> > as well. :-)
> >> >
> >> lol, nice to here someone out there will a sense of humour. The funniest
> >> part was an American tourist who went up to a information desk at Auckland
> >> Airport asking where the "bathroom" is, the person at desk was puzzled, then
> >> she realised, 'Oh, do you mean a toilet?". What a classic. Are there any
> >> yanks who can say that dreaded word "toilet" in public?
> >>
> >> Matthew Gardiner
> >
> >HAHAHA!! I always ask for the CAN myself... just to embarass anybody
> >about.
> >:-)
>
> The sinks at my old college were semicircular and a bit below waist
> height. A circular bar at foot level was used to turn on the water.
> People coming in didn't realize that the urinals were around another
> wall. So they pissed in the sink, then "flushed" by stepping on the
> bar - and started looking around for a place to wash their hands.
>
> I have to admit that it fooled me, too.
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! That was what I experienced later! LOL!!
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V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rant: Report from the newbie front
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:59:21 -0700
Michael Vester wrote:
>
> ecnal nillaf wrote:
> >
> > Hello linvocates! (hello winvocates too)
> >
> > First I have to say, I am not that technical and I am *not* in the
> > computer trades fields at all.
> >
> > I'm just a security guard (you know us, underachievers inc. )
> >
> I have done my share of security guarding too. It can be very difficult
> and demanding. I used the long hours at quiet sites to advance my
> education. Computers were still million dollar machines in air-conditioned
> rooms back then. A good friend of mine is a security guard. He has a lap
> top which he uses at quiet sites. He is very intelligent and is a pretty
> decent coder, too.
>
> > anyway ... I got my first computer in 1995 ... just something to play
> > with. Win95 was installed, I didn't know about any other OS (except I had
> > previously heard of IBM and MAC)
> >
> > Anyway ... admittedly ... win95 was GREAT! (initially) it looked good,
> > it was fairly easy to learn how to get around with all the gui menus and
> > whatnot.
> >
> Typical and normal newbie reaction. I was once a user of losedos too. I
> thought it was pretty.
>
> > Fortunately I have a younger brother (I'm 37) who is a network security
> > specialist working for a prominent company that has programs for both
> > windows and linux. Anyway ... My brother is fairly knowledgeable in more
> > than just the network security aspect.
> >
> It helps to have a technical family member. I am the families tech
> support. My father, 65 years old, is now a happy Linux user. He was badly
> burned by virii. He used to run a losedos 95 system. His Linux system is
> completely invunerable to virii. I can effortlessly support him via ssh.
>
> > cutting to the chase ....
> >
> > anyway ... it has been a great joy (and many frustrations) plunking away
> > with both windows and linux (and a little in dos) I still feel that I
> > don't know anything ... but I guess I'm a little above the average user?
> > Maybe I'm what they call a power user? Who knows? Who is john Galt?
> > hehehe anyway ...
> >
> You are doing great. You have an interest in how things work. I have been
> working in the IT field for 14 years and I feel like I don't know
> anything. I think as long as you feel that way, you will survive and do
> well.
>
> > I bounced back in forth with linux and windows about 2 years ago ... I
> > have a dual boot system with win98 on the other hard drive ... but ... I
> > rarely use windows, I can't tell you totally why I rarely use windows
> > anymore and I can't tell you why i still keep win98 on any hard drive?
> >
> > That's what i'm trying to say ... there are uses for both ... As far as
> > the evilness of MS-Windows ... well ... did those larger companies have
> > to agree to play by Gates' rules? Was billy boy the only game in town?
> > He either had a product that they wanted ... or he did not
> > ... and they agreed to those terms (which terms I thought sucked ... but
> > who am I?). I'm not going to get into this game about who is more evil
> > and the roots of windows and linux. Let the superior product succede the
> > most!
> >
> The story of Bill Gates rise to world domination is a fascinating one. It
> has been mentioned on this news group that Bill and Al Capone share many
> values. I tend to agree. Microsoft did not get so big by just selling
> crappy software.
>
> > For me ... Linux is that superior product. I can only give a few reasons
> > why (for now) but most of it (after the learning curve) is based on feel
> > (don't tell my fellow objectivists that I said that!).
> >
> You demonstrate remarkable insight.
>
> > Reasons linux is better for me (just an "at home" user)....
> >
> > 1. I learn a lot more about the nuts and bolts of the system .. the hood
> > isn't welded shut as it is in ms-windows (and mac and amiga???? etc etc?)
> >
> Never call yourself "just a security guard" You have demonstrated more
> technical savvy than many so called IT professionals. You are more than
> just a job title.
>
> > 2. Things run smoother (for the most part, most of the time... no OS is
> > without blemish, NO OS at all! )
> >
> An inevitable observation.
>
> > 3. I live in screwed up New Mexico (Albuquerque) where we grow
> > micro-chips in our backyard (INTEL at Rio Rancho) but have shitty phone
> > lines, ("dial-up only" for most areas) and the cable company hasn't
> > finished installing everything necessary to get my greatly desired cable
> > modem access yet! aaarrrrggghhh! so ... point is ... do you want to
> > d-load windos bloatware? I'll take the .tar files anytime over that (at
> > least with this slow ass dial-up here)
> >
> I am spoiled living in the most online city in the world, Edmonton. Thats
> in Canada, eh. I have been connected through a cable modem for the last 4
> years. If cable is not your thing, ADSL is offered by 4 different
> companies. There is a wireless service available at about 2.5 megabits per
> second. Dial-up is a dying beast around here.
>
> > 4. I don't really play "Quake" or anything like that ... I use my
> > computer for learning more about the OS and also for chatting, e-mailing,
> > viewing pics, browsing, and when I do play any games I like xlincity and
> > that penguin solitaire game ... and maybe xfrisk ... and that's about it,
>
> I have a Nintendo 64 for games.
>
> > I really don't have time in my busy (under-achiever) life to mess with
> > games ... use windos for that untill linux gets better and easier for the
> > neophyte. I am planning to take some unix courses at the local community
> > college soon, I would like to get certification in any distro of linux or
> > unix ... but I have a lot more to learn.
> >
> You are not an under-achiever. You have accomplished a great deal and just
> keep doing what you are doing. It takes time. I have been using Linux for
> 2 years and I have been working as a web application developer for 6
> months on a Solaris. I still have much to learn. Just remember in the
> Unix/Linux world, everything you learn will be valid years later. In the
> losedos world, everything you learn has to be relearned every time
> Microsoft releases yet another losedos. I moved into a Solaris environment
> with ease, just from what I learned running my own Linux servers.
>
> > 5. oh yeah ... whenever things might lock up in linux ... (and they
> > rarely do for me) I can hit ctrl+alt+backspace and I don't lose my
> > connection! and I still have a command line to work with! That beats
> > win98 all to hell and back (as far as I am concerned) just that point
> > right there is worth the switch.
> >
> The X-server crashed. Linux still keeps ticking. I have managed to crash
> Linux once. I took a zip disk out of the drive without umounting it. My
> mistake. Otherwise, it runs for months. Only our flakey power grid brings
> it down. Just added a much larger UPS, anticipating many blackouts this
> summer. Currently, one of my Linux boxes has an uptime of 145 days. Not
> bad for a 10 year old 486.
>
> > 6. SuSe and RedHat are geared for the GUI lovers and newbies :) try it
> > ... stick with it ... you'll like it! especially if you have a lower end
> > system! (I have a P-II 400 ) (just got this recently ... I moved up from
> > my used p-120 that I bought for $300) (I'm a guard, I'm poor, I make do)
> >
> You have a decent system for Linux.
>
> > I could think of many more reasons ... but hell ... the point is ... if
> > you love windos ... and can't deal with anything else ... fine ... use
> > what works for you. I won't hate you, just don't think you are superior
> > or I'll smash you! :p
> >
> Those losedos advocates often sound like they are superior. Their
> enthusiasm seems to be evaporating with the looming release of losedos XP
> (eXtra Profits by forcing software rental on unsuspecting users). Or .NOT
> your applications over the net. Not only will you be inconvienienced by
> buggy software but now network problems will add to the uncertainty.
> Imagine not being able to run month end because a router two thousand
> miles away has failed.
>
> > I am happy I pulled all my hair out and learned a few things about linux,
> > hehehe I'm staying with Linux untill the next thing better OS comes out
> > (FreeBSD? whew ... not for me ... not yet anyway ... sounds like it would
> > be fun to get to know though)
> >
> No pain, no gain. Losedos advocates want everything to be spoon fed to
> them. Their concept of a great operating system is one that gives you
> little choice so they don't have to think. Thinking and advocating losedos
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> > BTW ... I'm using RedHat 7.0 with gnome and sawfish (I sometimes use
> > iceWM).
> >
> > the other gripe I have: Distro and Desktop wars ... sheesh ... use what
> > you can deal with and what you like ... linux needs a united front ... who
> > cares what distro and what desktop ... use what you like!!
> >
> You make a very valid point. The LSB (Linux Standard Base) is an attempt
> to bring order.
>
> > Okay ... I'm done ranting ... I feel better now.
> >
> > Hasta La Pasta amigos!
> >
> > Lance from sunny and under-connected New Mexico
>
> You posted a great Linux advocacy posting. The best one I have seen in
> quite a while. Keep on posting.
>
> I take too many shots at losedos to be a good advocate. It is a difficult
> habit to break. I have seen too many losedos failures. But at least I am
> credible with a real name and a real email address. Most losedos
> advocates are anonymous. Obviously, they don't really believe in what they
> are advocating. It almost seems that they are ashamed. They are probably
> individuals that like to just troll and/or argue without any interest in
> what they are arguing about.
>
> --
> Michael Vester
> A credible Linux advocate
>
> "The avalanche has started, it is
> too late for the pebbles to vote"
> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
How are things in Edmonton anyway?? I used to have a childhood friend
that lived here and was later sent to live in Edmonton. Unfortunately,
he was sent to a school that (christian) made him harvest potatoes in
the summer... his parents went to the carrabean area to do their
thing... sad! But my father had a Hallicrafter radio and listened to
the Edmonton station a lot... he too was a potatoe harvester as a
child! Strange coincidences!
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From: Stefan Ohlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here we go: Mundie vs GPL, round two...
Date: 18 May 2001 10:11:37 +0100
On Thu, 17 May 2001 20:22:33 -0600, Dave Martel wrote:
>More of the same old FUD but I figured people here would want to know
>about it:
>Mundie: Why open source is still questionable
><http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010517/tc/mundie_why_open_source_is_still_questionable_1.html>
>From the end >>>
This comparison leads to the conclusion that the commercial software
model alone has the capacity for sustaining real economic growth.
<<<
He forgets about the small companies that can't afford to buy expensive
software in the beginning. Starting up using Open Source OS and apps
saves a lot of funds. Then as the company grows economically it can
buy the products that "sustains real economic growth".
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] � There will always be survivors - Robert A. Heinlein � []
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux takes Hollywood by storm!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:17:34 -0500
Well, it would be nice if you included the link.
In any event, I can imagine that they might use linux for their custom
stuff, since they used to use SGI's (and probably still do), but I can't
imagine them converting their modeling stations and such that are using
common rendering software.
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> From ZDNET... looks like Linux has pre-empted Windows NT recently in
> Hollywood.
> Read the article and see for yourselves... LucasFilm ltd. has converted
> mostly to Linux!
> And a few other film producers as well. After all, they do want to cut
> costs.
>
> --
> V
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:30:41 +0200
Ayende Rahien wrote in message <9due41$du6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9du5h6$ika$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Ayende Rahien wrote in message <9du459$qed$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>
>> This makes the situation even clearer. Thing what sort of profits MS
>makes
>> per copy of W2k Advanced Server + SQL Server. I don't know the prices or
>> the profit margins, but lets guess $5,000. In effect, entering a machine
>> for such benchmarking is advertising - for it to make sense for MS to
>enter
>> a machine (sponsering the hardware) at $500,000, they would have to
reckon
>> that their entry would lead to 100 more sales.
>>
>> For the SGI/IBM solution, the profit margins on the hardware and software
>> (DB2) would be very large - they might need just ten customers who want
>> those sorts of speeds regardless of the cost per transaction.
>>
>> But consider the case for Red Hat entering a solution based on PostGres
or
>> MySQL. At $79 per software pack, they make maybe $10 profit. If they
>pick
>> low-end hardware (relative to the others here) for $20,000, they have a
>cost
>> of $30,0079 (hardware, entry fee and their own software). That means
they
>> have to gain 3,000 new customers because of their benchmark entry. Given
>> that a hefty proportion of people seeing these results will be just as
>> likely to use a free copy of Red Hat, or another distribution, or use the
>> same copy on several machines, they are going to have to impress
something
>> like 30,000 potential customers. They need to impress 300 times as many
>> potential customers as MS, using hardware for around 5% of the price,
>before
>> they can afford to enter the benchmark. And every dollar they spend on
it
>> helps their direct competition (i.e., other Linux distributers) just as
>much
>> as themselves.
>>
>> The SGI/IBM solution is a large, proprietry, commercial
>results-at-all-costs
>> solution - the fact that it ran on Linux was almost incidental. Had they
>> chosen Irix or Aix, there would not have been more than a few percent
>> difference on either the price or the performance - it is totally
>> unrepresentative of typical Linux and free software solutions.
>
>
>Software needs to pay for the advertisement and the development costs,
after
>that, it's mostly all profit.
>And RH doesn't make 10% of the stuff they stuff into their distribution,
>btw.
I know that, but as far as I understood it RH was not making much of a
profit (if any), so whatever their costs are (I guess a lot goes into
testing, packaging and support, and there is a fair amount of development -
even if they made 10% of the stuff they distribute (and I don't think its
nearly that high a percentage), it is 10% of an enormous amount of
software).
>
>You bring important points, but forget something, this isn't OS contenst,
>this is *solutions* contenst.
>This mean that it *isn't* RH or MS that submit those benchmarks. It's
>CompaQ, Dell, IBM, SGI, etc.
>Those guys *have* the money to put up more than decent boxes.
>IBM doesn't care if it sells Win2K or Linux, as long as it makes its profit
>from the hardware.
>If the SGI solution could've done as well on P-SQL, they would've used it.
>However, I doubt that P-SQL can handle datasets that large.
>
You are correct about the solutions contest. But a similar principle
applies, even for companies that have the money available. They still have
to justify the costs (although they will be less, since the hardware is
cost-price, and the big groups already have the appropirate memberships).
And ultimately, they are interested in their own bottom line - if they make
more profit selling bigger machines with more expensive software, then that
is what they will push for in the benchmarks. It is a lot easier to profit
from a 40% cut on a $300,000 software package than from 40% of a $79
package. Lower end hardware and cheap / free software with lower absolute
numbers are not nearly as glamerous, even if they can produce far better
bangs per buck figures. There is also the question of who they are
targetting with the benchmark "advertising" - there are plenty of potential
customers who are used to paying hundreds of thousands for large software
systems, and just will not consider a free system regardless of any
performance figures.
Regarding the SGI solution, they have clearly aimed for top marks regardless
of cost. If they had tried PostGres and DB2 and found that DB2 was 2%
faster (the figures here are entirely hypothetical), they would use DB2
regardless of the price.
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From: "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:32:39 -0700
Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e2k5i$5t1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > The male may be at less risk for HIV transmission than the female
> >> > through vaginal intercourse. However, HIV can enter the body of
> >> > the male through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the
> >> > penis) or through small cuts or open sores on the penis.
> >>
> >> Blood pressure prevents this.
> >
> > Blood comes out of the urethra?
>
> Come, on Jet. Haven't you learned that kookis is more intelligent and
> better informed on all matters than the experts in the field?
>
> -Ed
Oh, yeah, I keep forgetting.
J
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:31:06 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Erik Funkenbusch in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 16 May 2001
> [...]
> >In any event, code reviews don't review every line of code,
>
> Yes, they do, or they are not code reviews.
Wow, suddenly, reviewing code isn't a code review simply because it doesn't
review every line in a program. Do you have any idea how long it would take
to review 35 million lines of code?
> >they review critical parts of code,
>
> And how, precisely, do we determine what parts of code are critical
> without reviewing ALL the code, Erik?
Generally, the developer in charge of the code selects the code for review.
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux takes Hollywood by storm!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:34:45 +0200
In article <vY4N6.1434$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, it would be nice if you included the link.
>
> In any event, I can imagine that they might use linux for their custom
> stuff, since they used to use SGI's (and probably still do), but I can't
> imagine them converting their modeling stations and such that are using
> common rendering software.
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> From ZDNET... looks like Linux has pre-empted Windows NT recently in
>> Hollywood.
>> Read the article and see for yourselves... LucasFilm ltd. has converted
>> mostly to Linux!
>> And a few other film producers as well. After all, they do want to cut
>> costs.
>>
>> --
>> V
>
>
Well I haven't read the article yet, but there were a few Linux uses
before in computer rendering and animation. Mostly Linux was used until
now as the backend: ie a large cluster of Linux machines rendered the
final result. I believe the modelling is done on workstations running
other software (perhaps, gasp! even NT).
Of course this is not *that* surprising. The #1 advocate of Linux to
businesses comes out of the computer animation field: Bruce Perens. It
wouldn't surprise me one bit if he had something to do with this (ever
wonder why Debian releases are codenamed after characters in Toy Story?).
Mart
--
Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
For that icy feel when you start to swerve
John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:37:42 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e2bp0$i1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Not "whacked", just missinformed. Intel doesn't need to wait, it
already
> as
> > > AIX, Solaris and HP-UX on board, so why would they wait for Windows?
> they
> > > don't, and if you have kept a close eye on Intel, they have been
urging
> > > UNIX vendors to port their OS accross to the Itanium chip. Hence,
Intel
> only
> > > has the strong alliance with Microsoft in the desktop, but not in the
> server
> > > space.
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > And , the Linux community has already ported Linux to the Itanium...
> > they are waiting for Intel to get its act together. MS doesn't have
> > their O/S ready yet for the Itanium.
> > Some of the archetectural types don't agree on the way Intel has done
> > the Itanium.
> >
> The mainpoint it this, there are already 3 commercially available OS's for
> Itanium, and one GPL OS. Microsoft can't even produce one! even with all
> the money and so-called "R&D" the carry out each year.
Get off it. That's because IA64 support is tied to Whistler, which won't be
out till october. Not because of the IA64 support, but because that's when
the OS will be done. They've had the IA64 betas available since beta 1,
about 6 months ago.
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