Linux-Advocacy Digest #620, Volume #34 Sat, 19 May 01 10:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x.... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Dr S.J. Cornell)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Dr S.J. Cornell)
which linux dist? (root)
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! (Martigan)
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Has Linux anything to offer ? ("Richard J. Donovan")
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! ("~�~")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Gary Hallock")
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Matthew Gardiner")
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:16:22 +1200
> I HATE YOU FLACCO!
Thats rather harsh. I would have said, "I dislike you flacco".
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris,staroffice.com.support.install.solaris,comp.unix.advocacy,alt.os.unix,alt.unix
Subject: Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x....
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:18:33 +0100
>>/usr (and even /usr/local) are not necessarily local. In the machines in
>>my department, the /usr partitions are remote, IIRC.
>
> Presumably, you're trying to run a bunch of sun4c's with 200meg disk
> drives? :-)
I think it starteds on sun4c's and went on from there.
> otherwise, with any reasonable developer desktop equipment made in the
> last 5 years, there's no excuse not to have /usr be local.
> /usr/local (ironically) is a different story.
I'm a user in a university department. Actually, I just checked. On the
new machines, they've moved /usr to be local now.
-ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:20:39 +1200
Why even have a registry? by now, with all the money Microsoft has made,
they should have already shipped the first, self repairing OS, that repairs
the code when the OS crashes, thus ensuring it doesn't happen again. Or,
when a file is screwed, it is automatically mended without user
intervention. File systems that are immune to fragmentation, corruption,
and other problems. Yet, 15 years, and several billion dollars later, the
mecca of computing has not been delivered.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:22:19 +1200
> I've watched my brother struggle with Windows and my father. I dread to
> think just how much _more_ they would struggle if it was Linux. I can
> just hear my brother say "What's this password cr*p?".
>
Hence the reason why I always suggest iMacs to newbies. When installing
files, put in the Office cd-rom in the drive and drag the folder across to
the hard drive, and voila, installation finished, no registry, no fucking
around, no dll hell.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:29:30 +0100
>> > If an independent test shows some result you ignore it.
>>
>> Bench marks aren't a good measure or anything except the ability to do
>> a benchmark test. What's the use of something that is 1.5x as fast, but
>> crashes nightly (which doesn't show up in a benchmark).
>
> Given that these benchmarks in a day or two of running are stressing the
> systems to what it would be like to idle along for months - I'd say
> relialbity is also being tested to some degree. Fortunately w2k not only
> does not crash nightly, I'm not knowing it to crash at all. It stays up
> for months upon months until *I* decide I want it not to for whatever
> reason I choose.
Uh hu. In the real world, windows doesn't compare to Linux. Benchmarks
are not real world exapmles of scalibility. Supercomputers are. Where are
the Win2K supercomputers in the top 500?
>> > The only thing that matters to you is that Linux is Open source.
>> > i.e., Open Source=Better than everything else. Simply by the virtue
>> > of the fact that you have the code in your hands means that it's
>> > better than anything else.
>>
>> Anecdotal evidence suggests that this model works extermely well.
>
> Actually quite the contrary. Can you point to ANY successful open source
> business? Didn't think so. I don't expect we'll see any either. Hows
> Ezael doing?
Who said anything about businesses?
>> > But don't you think you are being unfair? how would you know
>> > scripting is easier on unix than Windows if you've never done it,
>> > really tried it seriously. I find scripting on windows to be
>> > effortless but don't often need it cause it's just as easy to fire up
>> > VB and write a quick app there as it is to use vbscript in wsh.
>>
>> Doesn't VB cost money?
>
> Sure which is why using vbscript in wsh is a cheap alternative. Or using
Oh, so you have to use a shitty alternative.
> fortunately wsh lets you run several languages for scripts. vb and java
> being the two primary with C# being the next in line...
And UNIX lets you run _anything_ for scripts. Heck, you can even make sed
scripts executable.
>> OK, so they're both incredibly easy, using a single line command.
>
> unix is definately more adapt on the cmd line, I wouldn't argue there. I
> never said W2K was _easy_ in the cmd line - it's a GUI OS after all ...
About adding users...
>>
>> > W2K uptime is rock solid.
>>
>> riiiiiiight.
>
> damn straight!
Wrong!
>> > Anyone tells you different is lying.
>>
>> Hey EVERYBODY! J[ao]n says MS themselves are Lying!
>> 120 Days (from MS themselves) *with* a nightly reboot is not solid by
>> anyones stretch of the imagination. And MS claimed that. Guess thay are
>> lying then.
>>
>
> Make up your mind, do they reboot nightly (for which you have absoutely
> no proof whatsoever and in fact are completely wrong and obviously
> making up FUD) or are they up for 120 days average (because they are
> load balanced).
M$ proudly published some results from a sample of 1000 (?) Win2K
machines, quoting a 120 day MTTF with nightly reboots. M$' own figures
suggest win2K is poor.
> because obviously in 35 years that same application running on that
> decrept old OS will be useless. Get it? In the past perhaps running for
> 8 years meant something USEFUL but today that's just talk like benchmark
> talk. Uptime for the sake of uptime alone. Look - w2k is fully capable
> of staying up and running for 8 years on a nice redundant PC server -
> but, why ? that would be one forgotten PC if you ask me.
Win2K would be useless running on a server that was the same in 8 years
time as now. because it would be so slow. For IMB's, on the other hand,
you can upgrade all the processors and motherboards withoug having
downtime, so you can have a top of the range computer NOW which has
already been up for 8 years without a single second of downtime.
> The fact is W2K, like other good OSes, can stay up and running as long
> as the user wants it to, i.e., it doesn't crash on it's own for no good
> reason. IT took a while to get to where I can finally say that without
> any fear of proof to the contrary but that time is now. W2K is rock
> stable. Period.
No for 2 reasons. Firstly, peecee hardware just isn't up to the quality
of IBM's big offerings and secondly, M$ themselves quoted a 120 day MTTF.
>> No we won't, coz PC hardware is poor. S/390's can manage with hot
>> upgrades. 8 years, no downtime, no origioal components (except the
>> case). Until Win2K can have real stability like that, don't claim it is
>> rock solid, because it won't fly with anyone.
>
> As I've said before - apples and oranges and those two don't mix. Who
> cares what a mainframe can do versus a PC.
The people who might be buying 4 32-way Xeons that could run Win2K might
consider an S/390 instead.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr S.J. Cornell)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: 19 May 2001 11:46:23 +0100
Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Personally, I don't care about anyone's sexual preference. In my work
> environment, if I stood up during a meeting and stated, "I like to insert
> my erect penis into a woman's vagina and move it back and forth until I
> ejaculate", I would be promptly fired. Would that be discrimination?
> There are times and places where revealing your sexual preference is not
> welcome or appreciated. It is certainly not appropriate in the work
> place. Sexuality is private and should be kept private.
I agree that sexually explicit chatter is often offensive and
inappropriate, but would you be be outraged and disgusted if one of
your colleagues were to announce that they had a date (with someone of
the opposite sex) that evening?
A partner is much more than just a bedfellow. Apart from being
visible at functions where spouses are typically invited, there are
also issues such as a partner's right to life insurance, pension, or
medical benefits, as well as the right to be considered as next of
kin.
> When I listen to my gay friends whine about work place discrimination, I
> always ask them, "How does anyone know?" In my work place, nobody knows
> my sexual preference and they never will.
It may not be the case for you, but many people's work environment
overlaps significantly with their social environment. I certainly
wouldn't be happy spending half of my waking hours in the company of
people that I were not allowed to get to know.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr S.J. Cornell)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: 19 May 2001 12:05:45 +0100
> "Dr S.J. Cornell" wrote:
> > If you had been paying attention, you'd know why this is irrelevant:
> > homosexuals can, and do, have children.
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> However, by having a preference for homosexual relationships,
> they MINIMIZE their reproductive success.
No, MINIMIZING their reproductive success would involve sterilizing
themselves.
> On the other hand, if the children adopted are, for all practical
> purposes, unrelated, then in most cases, it's counter-productive
> to the purpose of successfully producing your own genetic grandchildren.
Good, we agree on this point. Can you now tell me whether this
behaviour should be considered `deviant'? Whether it is offensive for
such a person to discuss the children they are adopting? Whether they
should keep such children secret, never bringing them to public
functions? Whether these children should be denied the rights to
healthcare, etc. that genetic offspring have?
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: which linux dist?
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:14:15 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am currently using Slackware as I find it extremely fast and powerful.
But now that I have a bit of money :) I don't know if to buy Red Hat
Deluxe edition or Mandrake 8.0
I tried Mandrake 8.0 and it is brilliant as everything works out immediately
but I found it a bit too slow and painful to get rid of all the services i
did not really need.
Which distribution would you recommend?
Nick
(any reply here or to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Martigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:11:29 GMT
wendy wrote:
<idiot babble snipped>
That is why the computer was invented for Smart people, not the average
idiot that can afford one. ;-)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:59:12 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:ZfnN6.680$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9e2ni2$137$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9e1mjh$lor$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Windows comes with WSH, which come with VBS & JS support. You can
add
> > > > Perl & Python from activestate.com (free). C#, VB.NET comes with
.NET
> > > > beta, and there are also other languages that you can hook there, I
> > > > believe.
> > >
> > > Sounds better than it was, though with UNIX, you can use an arbitrary
> > > executable as the interpreter.
> >
> > You can do the same in Windows, what is your point?
>
> How do you make a .bat file interpret itself with perl and pass some
> arguments as it starts? Under unix, making the first line:
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> would make perl execute it and turn on warnings.
I'm not sure what you meant here. Can you be clearer?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:29:50 +0200
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:KqbN6.28551$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Game developers were like other developers-
> they switched when switching would allow
> them to produce a more competitive product,
> and only then.
And IIRC, it was around DX3.0 time, wasn't it?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:17:53 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Se�n � Donnchadha in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 16 May 2001
> >So Linux apps lack "lack the access" to text files?
>
> Yes, because it is the job of middleware, which doesn't exist due to
> Microsoft illegal manipulation of markets, to provide such access.
Laugh Out Load!
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:26:06 +0200
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:LqbN6.28552$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chris Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9e22cu$lpq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <sTQM6.27495$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> > > The anti-MS zealotry you see from developers is pretty much the
> > > exclusive province of the he open source community. That is still
pretty
> > > small potatoes, all told.
> >
> > Yeah . That's why you and so many Microsoft .net lapdogs are so eager
try
> > and sucker the open source community in supporting C# and the rest of
> > Microsoft's crap. To bad for the most part it isn't really working.
>
> I think its plainly obvious that .NET is intented to woo the
> *Java* crowd. It's practically a Java clone.
No, that is C#, not .NET.
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From: "Richard J. Donovan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Has Linux anything to offer ?
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:16:25 GMT
webgiant wrote:
>
> >
> >I have one more to add: software installation. I downloaded WordPerfect 8,
> >unzipped it, un"tar"ed it, and it refused to install. Oh, well.
>
> WordPerfect8 is a kludge Corel created. IT isn't real Linux code, it
> is Windows code developed to run under a special version of WINE (WINE
> Is Not an Emulator) and WINE is known to still have some bugs in it.
>
No, not a kludge at all. Corel had WP 8 ported to Linux, and the Corel
1.0 distro included WP 8.1. The WordPerfect Office 2000 program
(comprising WP9, Quattro, etc.) runs under WINE. There's the vast
difference, though neither WP 8 nor WPO2K is MS Word, thank God.
Sorry about the installation problem. Check out newsgroups at
cnews.corel.com.
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From: "~�~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:58:52 GMT
"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 19 May 2001 01:49:47 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 May 2001 22:11:12 GMT, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > that will take over and consume your entire life and your
> > entire existence.
> True, it even seems that Linux can compell some people, who
> never got it going properly, to consume their entire lives
> posting FUD under fake id's to COLA!
Uh, ... yeah. As in:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=terry+porter+linux&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&btnG
=Google+Search&meta=site%3Dgroups
Relevant Messages for terry porter linux Results 1 - 10 of about 4,330.
Search took 0.56 seconds
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=flatfish&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&meta=site%3Dgr
oups
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,800. Search took 0.38 seconds
Now then. Who is spending 'their entire lives posting ..." ????
Idiot.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:13:32 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> > I think the guys who use computers to do number crunching
> > (e.g. on Crays) would disagree.
>
> And they're in the majority, are they?
Sounds like you're suggesting "majority rules" as the
best way of making technical decisions.
Fascinating.
Let's get one thing straight. The power users use
supercomputers, not pissy little Intel boxes. And
the supercomputers don't run Windows. Maybe some
run Linux, but more likely some proprietary version
of UNIX.
Oh, Linux will handle clustered "supercomputers",
I suppose:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2471995,00.html?chkpt=zdnntop
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:22:01 GMT
Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK, no (except maybe Perl)
> > There is a regex COM object, RegExp I think, that is accessible to just
> > about anytihng in Windows, inclusing WSH lanaguages.
>
> Actually - yes it does:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/dotnet/cpguide/cpconintroductiontoregulare
> xpressions.htm
What a great link! Nice marketing, no meat.
--
Free the Software!
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From: "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:39:25 +0000
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete
Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting! And what OS is that running? Linux?
>
> AIX, IBM's proprietary implementation of UNIX.
>
AIX. But it would be interesting to run Linux on it. Linux runs on the
RS/6000, which is the base of the system.
Gary
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 01:43:29 +1200
"Martin Kudlich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In a way you're right. Most users I know *are* morons. I've had people ask
> how to insert a picture in a Word Document. Goodness me!!
>
> On the other hand: you may know a lot about computers, linux et. al. But
do
> you know as much about cars or appliances. When it comes to cars I'm
> admittedly a complete moron. I've got to rely on the experts -
> unfortunately. I'm just lucky that they allow me to drive ... ;-)
>
> Martin Kudlich
>
> PS: I'm sorry, I'm sitting at my company computer using NT.
>
I won't hold that against you :)
But of course you would want to know atleast how to jump start your car with
jumper-leads, or change the oil, or replace the fan belt. Same situation
with Computers, atleast know some of the basic names, like hard disk,
monitor, what type of graphics card you have. I wouldn't expect Joe Average
to know the bandwidth of a 2x AGP slot, or whether a 66Mhz proprietry SGI
ram is faster than generic PC 133Mhz ram (FYI, the SGI proprietry is faster,
however, there is a pay off in that the latancy is higher, but the bandwidth
is higher, 1.06Gb for 133Mhz vs. 2.1Gb for 66Mhz SGI proprietry RAM),
however, I do expect a person to know a small amount. If you are going to
shell out $NZ3500 on a PeeCee, you might as well make the most of your
investment, and learn. Most people I know, even non-technical, enjoy
learning how things tick, why does such-and-such happen, and once they find
out, they can isolate the problem, then correct it. For example, I was
having problems with installing Windows 2000 as one stage, however, I later
found out it was my motherboard and memory module after trying the memory in
another computer, and trying a good piece of memory in the motherboard.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 01:49:09 +1200
If I want to order a book I either buy it from Dymocks, London Book Shops,
or Benetts. Good old "bricks and mortor"(btw. I detest that term as much as
the e-centric words), you never have any problems, only a 30minute train
ride away. If they haven't got it there, then I order it in. Whats more
humorous, I get it at the same price as if I bought it online at
http://www.flyingpig.co.nz
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 01:52:36 +1200
> Most of them are now wandering Seattles' 1st avenue hanging around the
> soup kitchens on skid row! :-))
Seattle, the home to the two biggest cons, Microsoft and Boeing.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 02:07:56 +1200
> Yes; it's just not the habit.
>
> Although I had an teacher in grade school who INSISTED that we say
> "lavatory" instead of bathroom (because there are no baths in the
> school bathrooms).
>
> Of course, the typical 3rd graders whom he was subjecting to his
> inanity couldn't figure out why someone would want to ask to go
> to the laboratory when all they want to do is take a piss.
At College, Seventh Form (last year, age 18), we could swear in class as
much as we wanted, shit, even the fucking teacher swore too. As for the
link with the post, at high school it (toilet) was either:
1. Toilet
2. Thunder box
3. The throne
4. Shit house
5. The crapper
6. The can
Just in line with that. I couldn't believe reading in a newspaper that
there is a move in the US to ban swearing in the work place. What's the
fuck up with that? Go into a local computer store in New Zealand, and there
wil be fuck's and shit's flying everywhere. People are casual, and don't
give a shit what people say. Ring up Telecom NZ, and you have a friendly
and relaxed person on the other end of the line. I have rung up the likes
of AT&T and I get this analy retentive twitt on the other end that sounds
like she has never had any human contact for twentry years! Ring up SUN US,
and you get some bastard that sounds likes he's never had a decent shagg in
the twentry years he's been on the earth.
Matthew Gardiner
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