Linux-Advocacy Digest #680, Volume #34 Tue, 22 May 01 00:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: RIP the Linux desktop ("Interconnect")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file? (zhaohuic)
Re: Advice needed. ("Flacco")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Dell Meets Estimates ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Jim Richardson)
Win2000 SP2 breaks Samba 2.2 PDC? (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Les Mikesell")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Les Mikesell")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) ("Les Mikesell")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Les Mikesell")
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From: "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RIP the Linux desktop
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:50:47 +1000
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3387/1/
>
> What's this! What's this!
>
> "OK, it's official: Linux on the desktop is dead."
>
> But it never even started! Giving up before even trying!
>
> --
> Pete
NEWSFLASH!
Some guy has an opinion. Hardly the realm of concrete fact.
Try again Pete.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:49:56 GMT
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>>
> Had GEM taken off, we would know be
> arguing about whether Digital Research
> had unfairly crushed Microsoft. :D
Hardly. Gary Kildall did not have the arrogance
and killer instinct of Bill Gates.
http://www.digitalcentury.com/encyclo/update/kildall.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zhaohuic)
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file?
Date: 21 May 2001 19:53:43 -0700
Lamar Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I am running RH 7.1 on an Intel system. I am trying to get me CDRW
> working and the "CD-Writing-HOWTO" said that I needed to download and
> install "mkisofs". Well I downloaded it but I can't seem to find a way
> to install it. I ran the commands: "gunzip filename.gz" and "tar -xvf
> filename.tar" and extracted the files. Now what? Can anyone help?
> Thanks,
>
> Lamar
Now you can enter the file directory and run command: make;make install.
you will get it.
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advice needed.
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:55:16 GMT
> I am using Microsoft Frontpage 2000, Access 2000 and Visual Basic 6 to
> manage databases and develop/manage multiple database driven websites.
> I'm locked into the Microsoft world at work, but want to escape
> Microsoft for the sites I manage on my own from home.
You are exactly where I used to be six months ago. It takes some time and
work, but it can be done. And you'll feel a WHOLE lot better about
yourself.
> These sites are
> for non-profit groups and frankly I can't afford to keep up with
> Microsoft's prices for the web dev products.
>
> 1. I want to try Linux but am bewildered by the different Linux
> offerings. What Linux O.S. should I try?
That's subjective - there are several major distributions you could try. I
use Red Hat.
> 2. What web tool could replace my Frontpage, or is there anything like
> this?
Unfortunately I haven't found any Linux FrontPage replacements worthy of
mention. Linux veterans will tell you that any graphical web page
designer is evil because it's impossible to generate clean code from one.
I think this is bullshit, and the lack of a good Linux product like this
is a disgrace.
That said, I'm using Amaya, which has a PRIMITIVE user interface, but it
is graphical, and it is developed by the W3C, and therefore is supposed to
generate perfectly compliant HTML. It's missing "webbots" and related MS
crap, but that's a good thing, not a bad thing.
Check it out here: http://www.w3c.org/amaya
> 3. What database could replace my Microsoft Access 2000?
If all you need to do is store data, there are several alternatives. MySQL
is quite popular, but I haven't tried it. I'm using PostGreSQL.
If you need to design forms, queries and reports like in Access you're out
of luck. There are a lot of instances where I need a quick and dirty
database application, and Access fits that need perfectly. This is the
most painful and conspicuous absense from the Linux desktop to me.
> 4. What programming language would you recommend to replace Visual
> Basic?
I've decided to go with Java. I'm replacing my VB/MTS/ASP web apps with
Java servlets running on a Java server (I'm using Tomcat, which is free
and open source). You could replace ASP with JSP, athough I don't intend
to use it (I'm using Velocity templates instead).
I like Java because it's cross-platform. If for some reason I want to
leave the Linux server platform, I can just move the applications as long
as the new environment has a JVM.
> Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm very very
> disillusioned with Microsoft and would like to escape to a better world
Me too - MS's licensing terms get more and more restrictive all the time.
It's unacceptable to me now, and after a day of using Linux / Java, I do
not have that used, unclean, kept-woman feeling I had when using MS
products.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:56:47 GMT
Daniel Johnson wrote:
> No, I don't think it did. The stuff about
> merit came into this thread when I made
> the argument that the merits of Windows
> had been what attracted developers, and
> that this was what Microsoft's little
> empire was based.
Actually, Windows programming back then
was pretty rough stuff, very difficult.
But apart from Mac and GEM, and the
Amiga, there was no other way to go.
The MS-DOS victory was already paying
off for Microsoft.
Windows programmers have it pretty
easy today. (Still need that debugger
and bounds-checker, though.)
Chris
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:45:25 +0200
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ecgmv$hli$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9e8e6n$ino$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9e81s6$7bi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > DirectX, registry, COM (I know that Solaris has it, how can it
compare
> > to
> > > > Windows' COM?), DCOM, COM+ (This is equilent to J2EE system +
Solaris.
> > How
> > > > many KLOC does WebSphere has?).
> > > > Just a couple of things of the top of my head.
> > >
> > > They support open standards. Grab a SUN box, there will be OpenGL
> >
> > In NT since 3.5, in 9x since 95 OSR2.
>
> But never pushed. DirectX was a "suck in the developers, then when they
> want to move, they can't because there is no DirectX for anyother
platform"
> plan.
OpenGL is nice, but while it can compete with Direct3D, it doesn't compete
with DirectX.
> > > , Java,
> >
> > Not an open standard.
>
> Anyone can adopt it, as long as it to the Java charter, if it isn't, they
> can't call it Java.
Anyone can adopt Win32 API, that doesn't make it an open standard.
> > > Netscape,
> >
> > Netscape? Standard? That isn't even funny as a joke.
>
> Ok, its the industry standard in that it is on more OS's that IE.
Netscape is not open source, perhaps you are thinking Mozilla?
IE 5.5 is the most standard compliment browser in the world, period.
It replace IE5 at that position. Netscape was *never* in that position, btw.
> > > Maybe instead of Microsoft re-inventing the wheel, the invest some of
> > their
> > > super normal profits into making a more stable OS.
> >
> > You mean, like 4 Billions of them?
> >
> > NFS is not applicable in a PC eviroment, there has been a talk about it
> > recently. If you have root on *your* machine, then you can have access
to
> > everything on the NFS mounted directory.
>
> Why would you give the end user the root password for their machine? you
> don't. Maybe you should go back to school and learn the first rule of a
> role out.
Because a PC is *not* a dumb terminal. I can get root on any machine that
I've physical access to within one to two hours. People more experiance in
linux could do it in far less time, I suspect.
NFS and SMB purposes are *different*, NFS is simply not applicable in those
situations.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Dell Meets Estimates
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:46:43 +0200
"Shun Yan Cheung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ebt2t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9ebrta$6f6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Once you got to high end, Solaris kicks Linux to the ground without even
> >trying.
>
> To be fair, Solaris is highly optimized for SPARC only.
> Linux is trying to run on everything on this planet...
> There is no way Linux can match Solaris on the highend
> without a major overhaul. But they were designed for
> different purposes...
He tried to say that Linux can match Solaris on high end, not that Linux is
more portable.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:52:12 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Gary Hallock in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 21 May 2001 09:26:25
> >In article
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Of c.
> >>
> >> Radio waves are not the same as light waves.
> >
> >If that were true, it would be a major upset to all of physics. Where is
> >the evidence? What papers have been written about it. Has there been
> >the proper peer review?
>
> You'd have to be pretty clueless, Gary, not to be aware of the duality
> of physics. If radio waves were the same as light waves, how come we
> can't see them?
T. Max, have you ever *visited* high school? You surely don't exhibit the
knowledge of someone who graduated one.
I suppose you think that infra red or ultra violet aren't light either,
because you can't see them?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:54:17 +0200
"Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > Ok. I won't attack your nationality. After a while we all won't have a
> > nationality anyway.
> > But then again, your tastes in arguing with others could use a lot of
> > improvements.
> >
> > --
> > V
>
> Obviously. We will eventually all become just Earthlings, Earthers,
> Humans, or whatever label happens to stick. Arbitrary political
> geographical difference will become irrelevant. Different languages will
> disappear too. I am betting that English or something like English will be
> the only language spoken in another generation.
Don't bet on it, the only way in which this can hapen is if there is some
major and consistent threat from outside, for quite a prolonged period of
time.
Say a couple of centuries of fighting LGMs or something like that.
And even then, don't expect English (or something like it) to be a
mother-tongue, a common second tongue (maybe a little more so than now, but
not much) is the best you can get to.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:59:35 +0200
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3IgO6.34587$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > So, now that we've got you bent over with your pants down, why don't you
> > tell us what "core" means, accurately, consistently, and practically, so
> > that the spanking can continue?
>
> How about, "the smallest set of products that, if somehow
> lost, would derail Microsofts business model, future
> plans, etc".
NT/2K/XP Kernel? :-}
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From: Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:05:31 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In msgid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin
wrote: on Monday 21 May 2001 13:59
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> > Yes, you can run the SETI one, but can you run the cancer research one
>> > on Linux?
>>
>> Whats that got to do with SETI??
>
> It's one of the examples of a distributed supercomputer.
>
So, it seems that you are saying that the only way a distributed
supercomputer can be built (cost effectively) using windows, is if the
project (seti, cancer research, whatever) doesn't pay for the hardware or
windows licence. Whereas anyone can (and many have) put together dedicated
clustering solutions using linux.
<sarcasm> Sure sounds like windows is god's gift to clusters to me
</sarcasm>
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Win2000 SP2 breaks Samba 2.2 PDC?
Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.smb
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:12:37 GMT
Recently, I upgraded all the workstations in the office to Win2K in an
attempt to get some semblance of stability in place. I've run Samba as a
login server, and the release of Samba 2.2.0 coincided nicely with my plan.
For the last month, I've had Samba running as a PDC for my domain in a (for
Windows, at least) fairly smooth manner.
However, earlier today I installed the recently released SP2 on one of the
workstations. The machine immediately had trouble with authenticating
against the PDC, enumerating the domain users, etc. I figured I would try
to re-add the machine to the domain since maybe the upgrade threw some
obscure authentication token out of whack. I switched the machine to a
workgroup member, did a "smbpasswd -m -x MACHINE; smbpasswd -m -a MACHINE"
on the server, then tried to join the domain again. After a pregnant
pause, an error dialog popped up, saying something to the effect of
"Operation failed: Remote procedure is out of range." I tried a few more
times, going so far as wiping out my existing domain completely and
re-adding all my workstations, but the only machine that wouldn't re-join
was the one with SP2. I, stupidly, had elected not to save the information
required to undo the update. I am currently reinstalling Win2K SP1 from
scratch on the machine in question.
Is anyone else seeing this kind of trouble? Sounds like business as usual
in Redmond.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:17:12 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b080a35$0$37269$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:HdAN6.935$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > There is that MS commercial on TV about servers that haven't been
> > > > touched in 'days' as though that should be a surprisingly long time.
> > > > Real OS's run for years without any attention. And they don't
> > > > pop up dialog boxes and stop and wait like IIS 5.0 does when
> > > > an error occurs.
> > >
> > > What is this pop-up dialog? What does it says? Who originate it?
> >
> > At least you show some good common sense!
>
> This has already been asked - it's not the first time.
And answered. And it's still happening. It just happens that one of
them has a box popped up right now. This time it says:
Title bar: Windows - Application Error
Red circle with white X
The instruction at "0x77f82628" referenced memory at "0x0016210".
The memory could not be "read".
Click on OK to terminate the program.
OK button.
Sometimes the title will be inetinfo.exe instead. Either way, IIS is dead
until someone mouse-clicks the OK button.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:17:12 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b0807c3$0$37295$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > >
> > > Hmm... lesse, new server yesterday... installed from a W2K SP2
> > slipstreamed
> > > CD I just burned. After it was done applied one (1) patch and rebooted
> > once.
> > > I'm not totally current... doesn't seem to bad...
> >
> > You just got lucky. If you had needed it last week you would have
wasted
> > a day or more per box making it usable or likely become a statistic at:
>
> Given that the latest (and all future) security patches are now all
> encompusing (includes all previous from last SP) I think we'll see less of
> the hofix chasing going on.
We've all heard that story before. It must be your lack of experience
that makes you naive enough to believe it. It was sp6 for NT before
I could keep servers running for longer than a couple of weeks. I look
for more of the same this time around too.
> Yea yea, buncha chinese guys exploiting a SINGLE vulnerability that there
is
> a fix out for already. how can you blame the OS if it's operators don't
keep
> it current? You can't.
Who put the vulnerability there in the first place and sold it to us? And
wasn't this a problem known and fixed in last year's version anyway?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:17:12 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b080c8a$0$37275$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:t0FN6.1203$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > Hehehe,
> > > >
> > > > 2000 Server: 500$
> > > > Linux: 2$ (for the CD you copy it on)
> > >
> > > Hehehe, you can't count.
> > > 2000 Server: 3,999$
> >
> > That's for Advanced Server, and the only advantage over
> > the normal (err.., what's the opposite of advanced?) version
> > for a web server is the ability to use WLBS load balancing
> > for a set, but that really doesn't work very well because
> > WLBS works at the IP level, not the port/service level. If
> > IIS is down but the IP stack still works, WLBS will accept
> > web requests even though they are bound to fail.
> >
>
> Why try to put down something you've never even used?
>
> Les - you claim to have a problem on IIS5 and yet you don't even know the
> names of the W2K server line and the differences between them? I'm having
a
> hard time beliving your stories anymore. There is much more to Adv server
> than just WLBS (you were redundant and didn't even konw it)
My put downs are based on real world performance. Apparently your support
is based only on marketing hype.
I said the only advantage for a web server on Advanced server is WLBS.
There
may be other stuff there, but a web server doesn't need it. I've been
through
the process of installing a set of Advanced Sever boxes, learning that WLBS
isn't very good at fail over (and I've had a *lot* of need to fail over),
and
backed out to plain server with a hardware load balancer that understands
that if nothing answers on port 80 it should stop sending web requests. I
haven't noticed any other difference.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:17:12 GMT
"Chronos Tachyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:MpzN6.41258$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Unix looks for
> > #!/path/to/interpreter args_to_interpreter
> > at the top of an executable file so you can control
> > which shell or other interpreter parses it and force
> > it to always have certain arguments. This is a
> > general facility that works with any program that
> > reads from stdin. Any executable file can use this
> > to automatically have itself read by any other program.
> > For example:
> > ===
> > #!/bin/cat
> > test
> > ===
> > as an executable file would invoke /bin/cat, which simply
> > copies stdin to stdout and would thus print the file contents
> > to your screen (just to show that no special concepts are
> > involved for the program invoked).
> >
> >
>
> This is slightly incorrect. The interpreter will be handed the name of
the
> executable script on the command line. For instance, if you create a file
> named example-script, mark it as executable, then give it the following
> contents:
>
> #!/usr/bin/foo -a
> wibble
> wobble
>
> ... then execute it as "./example-script -b", then the command line that
> will actually be executed is "/usr/bin/foo -a ./example-script -b". It is
> then the duty of the program to read the script as a file and take action.
Yes that's right of course, and I would have realized that stdin
really is left as inherited if I had stopped to think before posting.
Unix programs are so consistent about the convention of reading
stdin if no files are named on the command line that you usually
don't have to think about it.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:17:13 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e9teo$jsf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > > Look - the fact that due to some custom programming of YOUR own
> something
> > > happens on your boxes that doesn't happen to anyone else - how is that
a
> > > problem with IIS?
> >
> > The only custom programming involved is in ASP pages that use
> > documented methods from the msxml3.dll objects. The boxes are
> > loaded with stock Win2k server, sp1, and the msxml3.dll. All
> > straight from Microsoft. All of the pages work when tested
> > individually.
>
> How much?
How much should it take? I'm used to systems that work consistently.
> You say that sometimes they work, sometimes they fail.
> Meaning that you didn't gave the pages enough testing.
Actually it is entirely possible that the production servers are
getting requests that no one anticipated. I know from the logs
(and some odd bugs) on the previous incarnation that users
edit the arguments in the URLs and send requests no one
ever thought to test. However these should mostly be passed
on to the xml data servers which should either serve the
request or not.
> > >How about if we take the same ASP pages adn try to run
> > > them on a linux box and then complain that linux sucks when they don't
> > run -
> > > makes about the same amount of sense as what you are trying to foist
> upon
> > > us.
> >
> > Well yes, if the Linux system documented methods that are supposed
> > to work but in fact cause the server to hang at random I would complain
> > about that. However, the fact is that my Linux systems work - some
> > have been up well over a year, and the IIS servers crash daily and
> > don't restart themselves even though the service is set to automaticall
> > restart.
>
> Where would you complain? In an advocacy group?
I'd send email to the author of the program as the first choice since
he is likely the only one who can fix it, but I would also certainly
mention it in any advocacy group where others were claiming
the opposite. People deserve to know what to expect when they
put something in production.
> BTW, you can crash a program using documented methods too, if you feed the
> wrong parameters to them.
The parameters here are URL's and filenames for the xml and xsl data.
Those shouldn't be able to crash anything even if they are wrong.
> > > OK, so your systems have a programming problem (something you wrote) -
> > > quite blaming the OS.
> >
> > So you think it is fine for IIS to pop a dialog box and wait? I don't
> > even if the asp code has something wrong. I guess people who
> > only run MS systems have different expectations about the system
> > software.
>
> From your description, it looks like you are having memory access errors.
The developers here say that is a typical symptom of thread conflicts
corrupting memory. That is, the reported error is probably a result
of trying to interpret variables that have been corrupted earlier.
> In proccess memory errors result in the termination of the proccess and a
> message box saying what happened.
I'd be happy with just a termination since no one is sitting there to read
the message box.
> The fact that when you run it out-process, only the dll crash, seems to
> indicate it.
> I would say that you need either to:
> A> Post *way* more details, including code.
There are an assortment of things happening and since the page hasn't
been logged before the crash I don't know exactly which it is. However
the two likely suspects look like this:
(1 - the xslt transform where xsl source will be a file, xmlsource a URL)
Function transformXML (XSLSource, XMLSource)
Set XMLFile = Server.CreateObject("Msxml2.FreeThreadedDOMDocument")
Set XSLFile = Server.CreateObject("Msxml2.FreeThreadedDOMDocument")
XMLFile.async = False
XMLFile.load(XMLSource)
XSLFile.async = False
XSLFile.load(XSLSource)
transformXML = XMLFile.transformNode(XSLFile)
set XMLFile = nothing
set XSLFile = nothing
End Function
(2 - an http proxy-passthough )
Function displaypage(url)
Dim html, url
Set aRequest = Server.CreateObject("Msxml2.ServerXMLHTTP")
aRequest.Open "GET", url, False
aRequest.Send
Response.Write aRequest.responseText
Set aRequest = Nothing
End Function
They are slightly edited, so syntax errors are in the cut/paste
process. The functions work as far as we can test them.
> B> Turn to non-advocacy group for the details.
>
> I would suggest that you would do both.
I tried dejanews when I first saw the problem and found a bunch
of other xml related problems and very few answers. The
msxml3.dll had not been released long at that point, though. I
suppose I should try again.
Les Mikesell
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