Linux-Advocacy Digest #175, Volume #35 Tue, 12 Jun 01 21:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Chad Myers")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (pip)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (pip)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Chad Myers")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Rotten168)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Matthew Gardiner
\(BOFH\)")
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Nik Simpson")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Rotten168)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Bob Hauck)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Greg Cox)
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Rotten168)
Just For Fun (pip)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Rotten168)
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:13:18 GMT
"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <3b261436$0$94305$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Jon Johansan wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Dennis G. Allard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:<84aU6.9834$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > > > > I'm talking about what they [the NYSE] use for managing trades.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Well, their web site runs under AIX, so one would assume that they're
> >> > > > probably a big IBM shop, and are probably running trades under AIX
> >> > and/or
> >> > > > OS/390.
> >> > >
> >> > > If they were running anything Microsoft, they would have crashes so
much
> >> > > more often it would make this little down time look like a holiday!
> >> >
> >> > You might want to consider that the NASDAQ runs MS for 90% of their
> >> > operation and has had 0. That's zero MS related downtime since their
> >> > adopting NT. They continue to convert their backend operations to W2K but
> >> > are not completed. This is not an operation you take lightly or race
ahead
> >> > quickly but they are doing it. Converting from archiac Unix mainframes to
> >> > W2K servers.
> >>
> >> That all depends on what you mean by "archaic". Do you mean the old
> >> hardware boxes or the o/s? From my viewpoint I consider Win2k a kludge
> >> compared to unix. Some consider unix to be very old and win2k as a
> >> modern o/s... I kept checking into many reviews from different sources
> >> on Win2k and find it is more of a kludge... can't call that modern.
> >> At least Unix is structured and has some good reasons for its design.
> >
> >Please refrain from speaking out of your ass.
> >
> >Every Unix system I've used so far (which is Solaris, AIX, IRIX,
> >Linux, and BSD) (yes, I know Linux isn't Unix, but you get my drift)
> >every single one of them seems to be teetering on the edge of failure.
> >I've had to reinstall this Solaris box on my desk 3 times now because
> >the fscking pkgadd and patchadd BS fails constantly while installing
> >patches. If you call that "structured" and a "good design" then you're
> >smoking crack.
>
> Aw, you're getting all irritable these days....
Yes, I've had too much contact with Solaris and Linux lately.
I stopped to think about all the hours of my life wasted doing
simple tasks that take mere minutes on Windows (like installing
Oracle, or installing patches) and I became pissed. Perhaps
I should sue Sun for wasting precious hours of my life. It's
the American way.
> Our work linux servers just keep going, going going going.
Going and going and doing nothing?
I have a Linux box underneath my desk which I haven't used
in several weeks since it's using during our testing phases
and we're in a development cycle.
I check it the other day and X had crashed. I left it sitting
at a login screen and it just spontaneously crashed for no
reason. I guess there's a time limit in X after which, if it
hasn't crashed already, it just crashes.
I also noticed on the other box I have by my desk, if you
attempt to mount a CDROM when there is none in the drive
(I got the two boxes mixed up on my KVM switch) the whole
machine goes batty. The console froze while it attempted
the IO operation. I had to switch to another virtual terminal
to get a console back and that one console still hasn't returned
yet. I get IO error messages on all the other consoles.
X about shits when I start it up, I get all sorts of pop-up messages
telling me the same thing as the terminal did about the CDROM.
I can't open the Gnome file explorer thingee now because it keeps
complaining about the CDROM. It's been about 2 weeks now since
this happened and it still hasn't figured out there's no CDROM
in the drive. It's a RH 7.0 install.
Again, I had to think to myself, "Who writes this crap, and do
they ever even attempt to run it themselves?". I guess not.
And they expect people to run production servers on these things?
ROFL... what a piece of shit.
Meanwhile, our Win2K box which is our directory server, Exchange
messaging server, and file server hums along. Not a single hiccup
since it was "born" 6 months ago.
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:16:06 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g65vf$5d0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > What a load of BS! Provide proof and a reference for such idiotic
> > claims.
> > I have Solaris 8 on my box and I've never had any trouble using it in
> > over a year now.
> > What piece of junk are you using?... an old Packard-Bell?
> >
> > Yep,... you are the one that blowing smoke up everyones ass. All of
> > your claims sound like one that doesn't know what he is doing.
>
> Just as a follow up the Chad's claims regarding the patching process. What
> error message is being output'ed? because, there is an error code which
> corresponds to a meaning, and in most cases, when the error does occur, it
> is simply saying that, that particular patch has already been applied.
Usually, it says something about a file being used by another patch.
I've seen others flash up about how it couldn't execute a command or
script or something. They just flash by in the countless lines of
useless crap output it displays as its hosing the OS and blowing away
and hope of ever booting again.
> As for Solaris, it is an awsome OS
So long as you don't try to do anything with it =) Basic things are
fine (web serving, file serving, etc) but once you have to start
modifying the kernel parameters for Oracle or installing patches
for various apps, forget it, it's a nightmare.
> however, if they added SoundBlaster
> Live! support, and Real Player was ported, Solaris would be my default
> desktop on the PeeCee.
Solaris x86? God, I could only imagine how much worse that would be!
-c
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:34:17 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> Does that figure include the 200CD's I have burnt over the last year for
> people?
Hmmmmm. How about the CD's that I have let friends borrow or the ones I
have burnt for colleagues ? Does it include all the systems that my
friend now installs with Linux ?
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:30:51 +1200
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:gvxV6.78595$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g673u$688$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > What I would actually like to see is PDF replace all proprietary
document
> > formats, so there is one, universal document format that will work on
> every
> > platform, every office suite, no matter who makes it.
>
> Hmmm?
>
> Why is PDF better than, say, Word format?
>
> Heck, PDF doesn't work for *any* office suite,
> does it? At least Word works for some of them.
Wordperfect Suite has embraced it. Apple Mac will soon. Maybe Microsoft
should keep up with the play and adopt it. Why not word? Microsoft will use
it as leverage to stifle competition and cross platform compatibility. By
Adobe controlling where it should be heading, Adobe has no vested interest
in which office suite wins, all its interested in is ensuring that their
format is used, and embraced by the respenstive companies. Standards and
filters are provided by adobe, ensure that all Suites have equal
compability, thus, the one stumbling block in the Office wars has been taken
away, thus, the level playing field has been created.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:36:32 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Jon Johansan wrote:
> >
>
> Dear Jan,
>
> We have no interest in hearing about your disappointment of the
> anus-reaming you recieved last night.
>
> Hope that helps.
Dear Aaron,
We have no interest in hearing about ... well, anything you have to say.
Hope that helps.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:19:25 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g6678$5lu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Please refrain from speaking out of your ass.
> >
> > Every Unix system I've used so far (which is Solaris, AIX, IRIX,
> > Linux, and BSD) (yes, I know Linux isn't Unix, but you get my drift)
> > every single one of them seems to be teetering on the edge of failure.
> > I've had to reinstall this Solaris box on my desk 3 times now because
> > the fscking pkgadd and patchadd BS fails constantly while installing
> > patches. If you call that "structured" and a "good design" then you're
> > smoking crack.
>
> First of all Chad, give up Solaris, because obviously you donot have the
> intellectual capacity to use an OS that is so easy a 10 year old can use.
Heh, I got it working, finally. The trick is to just keep reapplying
the patches until they figure themselves out.
It turns out of the 50 or so patches I needed to apply, only about
20 got applied. The next time, about 15 or so more. I just kept
doing it and I think I got most, if not all applied. I rebooted
and it actually booted this time!
I was able to get Oracle installed, although the Oracle installer
still can't seem to "Create a control file". I found some DBA scripts
to create an instance, but it's still not 100%. I create a basic
tablespace and a table and insert into it, I get errors about not
being able to use the System rollback segment in the tablespace. If
I create a tablespace rollback segment, everything is fine.
I sure wish dbassist could "assist" me in actually creating an instance.
I stick in the CD in Windows 2000, install Oracle, create the instance,
no problems.
So I ask, WTF is wrong with Solaris? It's the same Java bytecode in
both cases, so there's no weird compiling issues, it's just a Solaris
thing.
-c
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:36:39 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> > Unlike your country, we Americans do not feel the need to have our
> >> > government take the majority of our income and then dole it back out
> >> > to us as seen fit.
> >>
> >> maximum of 40% is not a majority.
> >
> > Ahhh... that's 40% of your paycheck only. Now factor in sales tax and
> > specifically the outrageous petro tax and it becomes a majority of your
> > paycheck going to the government.
>
> There is nothing outrageous about the petrol tax. We use far too much
> petrol in this country. As for your low petrol tax, where has it got you,
> oh yeah, the worlds biggest polluter. Great.
Nothing outrageous, weren't there like huge riots over there a few
months back?
> >> > Most all medical programs in Eurpoe are a complete disaster. The
> >> > NHS in the UK should be disbanded immediately.
> >>
> >> Well, I'm glad you don't live here, because I do not want to see the
> >> NHS disappearing any time. I think it is a quite amazing service and
> >> something we should be proud of.
> >>
> >
> > You may like the NHS but the potential pool of doctors in the UK is
> > drying up fast due to poor pay, outdated equipment, and poor service. I
> > know for a fact that the NHS just recently was denying patients any
> > dental work which involved braces. Cancer treatment through the NHS is
> > a foolish gamble at best and most UK citizens opt to pay for the
> > treatment in another country because of the limited choices of treatment
> > provided by the NHS.
> >
> > The NHS provides the same level of medical service that a welfare
> > recepient in the US recieves.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > Nowhere in the world does an individual have a greater chance of
> >> > success building a small business than in the USA. No other nation
> >> > on Earth puts more money into research and development than the USA.
> >>
> >> Do you have any evidence to back this up, or are you just spouting?
> >
> > Errrr.. yeah... I have a lot of evidence of this - I offer as evidence
> > the United States of America (more venture capital, more R&D dollars,
> > and the least amount of red tape and government intrusion for starting a
> > business than anywhere in the world). in other words, the USA *is* the
> > evidence!
>
> You have provided no evidence apart from your rants.
You have provided ZERO evidence for your worthless assertions.
> >> > Without the USA, mother Russia would have gobbled up most all of
> >> > Europe long ago.
> >>
> >> Without mother Russia, the Nazia would have gobbled up the "land of the
> >> free" long ago.
> >
> > I must have missed that novel piece of history.
>
> Think about it. If the communists didn't
> sacrifice 20 million people against the Nazis and stop them dead on the
> eastern front, the Nazis would have overrun Europe with out much problem.
> You guys would have been next in the firing line. And there is a
> reasonable chance that the US would have been defeated by the Nazis, but
> we will never know that. Just thionk, you might owe all of your lives tio
> the commies.
And you owe all of your lives to us. Think about that.
Do you really think a country about the size of Texas could defeat a
country with probably more than 10 times it's population and even bigger
sizewise? C'mon man, grow a brain.
We should've let the Nazis stoot-slap your asses, it would've shut you
up.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:35:48 +1200
"pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Jon Johansan wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Dear Jan,
> >
> > We have no interest in hearing about your disappointment of the
> > anus-reaming you recieved last night.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
>
> Dear Aaron,
>
> We have no interest in hearing about ... well, anything you have to say.
>
> Hope that helps.
I've just kill filed him, no because I disagree, but because I don't won't
to hear about is childish antics.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:39:33 -0400
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:41:04 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >With *every* version of Windows since, the drivers were either included
with
> >the OS, or included with the hardware.
>
> Yeah, but if you've lost your disk...
>
Ah, so somehow, Windows should make up for your inability to keep a floppy,
of course, it all makes sense now. BTW what graphics card are you actually
using?
--
Nik Simpson
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:43:14 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:NtvV6.44486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > drsquare wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:40:47 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
> > > >
> > > > >>>Well, I'm proud to be American.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>What is their to be proud of.
> > > > >
> > > > >Let me count the ways. Some of these are of course ancient, but...
> > > > >
> > > > >[1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
> > > > > an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
> > > >
> > > > What? Are you referring to how you went round driving people out of
> > > > their homes, and skinning them alive etc?
> > > >
> > > > >[2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less
> > simultaneously.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, you sent a couple of men over to Europe after the Nazis were on
> > > > their last legs, and then wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent
> > > > women and children in Japan. Now THERE'S something to be proud of.
> > > >
> > > > >[3] One of the highest GDP/capita in the world.
> > > >
> > > > Which about 10% of your population benefit from.
> > > >
> > > > >[4] First man on the moon.
> > > >
> > > > Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
> > > > large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
> > > > to death across the world...
> > >
> > > Now we are supposed to feed them too? Why don't the Dutch do it?
> > >
> > The world thinks the USA should feed the poor and protect them but most of
> > them don't want to lift a finger to help, since it not their problem.
>
> But they're just fine criticizing the US for all manor of the world's problems.
> It's all our fault, remember? How come you don't see the French or the British
> sending all sorts of humanitarian aid to Africa?
How the hell do you friggin' expect them to send humanitarian aid when
they are busy flooding the USENET with anti-American trite? I mean,
somebody's got to be negative in the world!
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:44:08 GMT
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:53:53 -0500, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I'm thinking that there has got to be a way to do this with NT, what
> >with ACL's and all. Any pointers from the Winvocates?
>
> Fire her and hire someone who knows how to administer NT.
I can't. I did not hire her.
> Seriously. Your NT admin is a moron. Making write-only directories
> is TRIVIAL. In fact I'm astonished you couldn't figure out how to do
> it yourself.
I can figure out how to do a write-only directly just fine. What I
wasn't sure of was what was going on with the ftp server. What user it
ran as and what permissions it gives to files it creates. I'm not the
NT admin around here. It isn't my job description to know this stuff.
Since you didn't, in fact, explain how to do this trivial task, I'll
have to assume that you don't actually know and just posted to be
insulting. Have a nice day.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:42:39 +1200
Yeap, by all means, please post it. What I am saying that if Microsoft are
going to go out on tangents and offer services such as email, do a descent
job of it!
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:L8yV6.26582$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g66ee$5p7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Exactly the reason that Microsoft would not attempt a fool hardy
project
> > > like converting NASDAQ to losedos. They still have not proven that
Hotmail
> > > is running 100% on losedos. Speaking of Hotmail, I have abandoned my
> > > Hotmail account because it was unavailable too many times. If
converting
> > > Hotmail, which is simply web enabled email, was such a difficult task;
how
> > > could they possibly convert NASDAQ to losedos? In a 6 1/2 hour trading
day
> > > with 2 billion trades (a real busy day), the system has to process
85,470
> > > trades per second. Of course, trading is done with mainframe, not
> > > losedos.
> > >
> >
> > I gave up because of the same situation, and also, because when I
selected
> > multiple messages for deletion (when accessing via Outlook), the server
> > reponds saying "invalid command".
>
> What? Now your just being rediculous. Do you even expect anyone here to
> believe that your inadaquacies as a computer user have anything to do with
> the quality of MS software?
>
> Would you like me to show you screen shots of a successful deletion of
> multiple messages?
>
> Please, stop being retarded, it's absoluately rediculous now.
>
> -c
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:44:36 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:04:30 -0500
<3b24fa1e$0$94311$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[snip for brevity]
>> You need big iron for heavy volume trading.
>> So far that is all that is running,... BIG IRON.
>
>ES7000.
Gosh, you mean they're not running a quad Xeon with W2k Datacenter?
I'm so surprised.
Not.
:-)
>
>-c
>
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 43d:14h:29m actually running Linux.
[ ] Check here to always trust monopolistic software.
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:48:47 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hey, when is MS gonna fix VC6.0??
> > > I've been waiting for over a year and still no fixes.
> >
> > Are you not aware of the 5 service packs? SP5 was released about 6 months
> > ago.
>
> No... which link to download these service packs. I'd hate to throw
> away my investment and start over with Metrowerks tools.
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?
Select your product and OS from the dropdown listboxes, hit the "Find It"
key, and you'll be able to select the service pack you want to download.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:49:45 GMT
Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
> > So Dennis is an avid gamer, eh?
> > ;-)
> >
>
> Maybe we should do him a favour and send him copies of Tuxkart, tuxracer,
> flightgear, chromium and all the other good linx games ( or suggest he
> looks at www.linuxgames.com).
I'd be wary of anything with that stupid fucking penguin in it. If he
wants good games, send him over to Loki's sight for some REAL games.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Just For Fun
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:53:38 +0100
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1587990806/026-0596428-3311669
Being interested in how all this wonderful software has been written
I've just ordered the above book By Linus and David Diamond. Anyone read
it ? Any thoughts or good insights into Linus ?
Also I found the book "Rebel Code"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0713995203/ref=sim_hi/026-0596428-3311669
a fascinating read and leant a lot about how and why things came
together as they did. I would highly recommend it.
"Open Sources" in an interesting read and the real story of Microsoft,
Apple et al is best told in "Accidental Empires".
Any additions to favorite books charting the recent history of our
interesting time ?
Of course I should not be ordering from Amazon because of the
"one-click" patent rubbish - but - hey, apart from that they are a good
service for books (and a Linux books!).
I think that the history of the whole industry and especially the
opensource community is fascinating and shows how really great people
can still achieve great things when others don't try.
So, now we know the history. Do people have any thought on where things
are going? Will Linux stay in the server space and geek space or will it
actually get onto the desktop. We will be more concerned with "linux
devices", or something else ? How are businesses today, still maintaing
a feasible business model with opensource (such as the success of
Cygnus)?
We live in interesting times indeed and it's a privilege to use this
stuff and have a wonderful sharing community of helpful people.
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:53:57 GMT
Michael Vester wrote:
> Exactly the reason that Microsoft would not attempt a fool hardy project
> like converting NASDAQ to losedos. They still have not proven that Hotmail
> is running 100% on losedos. Speaking of Hotmail, I have abandoned my
> Hotmail account because it was unavailable too many times. If converting
> Hotmail, which is simply web enabled email, was such a difficult task; how
> could they possibly convert NASDAQ to losedos? In a 6 1/2 hour trading day
> with 2 billion trades (a real busy day), the system has to process 85,470
> trades per second. Of course, trading is done with mainframe, not
> losedos.
I abandoned Hotmail too, but not for that reason. Microsoft suspiciously
does not allow POP access for any other mail reader than OL/OLE. That's
bull5hit IMO. So I blocked all incoming letters and got a Yahoo account.
Usually I don't mind MS, but sometimes their greed is just transparent.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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