Linux-Advocacy Digest #179, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 01:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("tony roth")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (B. P. Uecker)
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Dennis
Ritchie)
Re: Argh - Ballmer (GreyCloud)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (GreyCloud)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (GreyCloud)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:39:16 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <3b2612aa$0$94313$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ed Allen
> > >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> > wrote
> > >> > on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:01:16 GMT
> > >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> > >In article
> > >> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >> > >GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> > >>Chad Myers wrote:
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> It's pretty standard. Anyone who is a militant rabid defender
> > >> > >>> of something is generally called a <term>inista.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> -c
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>Therefore, that would make you a Windowinista... Billyinista...
> > >> > >>Gatesinista....
> > >> > >>
> > >> > > He goes by the self proclaimed title:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Chad Myers, jerk.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > But I do like the sound of Windowinista...
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not sure I do; the word sounds like it trips over its own
> > >> > shoelaces.
> > >> >
> > >> > Multiple times.
> > >> >
> > >> > But it does seem to be an appropriate metaphor for Windows, which
> > >> > doesn't have shoelaces but still manages to trip over them
> > >> > multiple times...
> > >> >
> > >> > :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > (Pedant point: how about "Windowsinista"? Still pertty trippy, though.)
> > >> >
> > >> Lets try Windanista.
> > >
> > >It's not quite the same. You don't have rabid moronic Windows guerillas
> > >who set up web sites to flame Linux in the droves that you do the
> > >other way around. Windows advocates typically like Windows, keep the
> > >Penguinistas from spreading too many lies, and extol the virtues of
> > >Windows once in awhile. They have nothing to prove because they
> > >just want to use what's right. Penguinistas, OTOH, earned the title
> > >because of their militant and underground nature of attack, propaganda,
> > >and flame.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Microsoft executives spout an amazing range of lies about linux,
> > the GPL, free software, etc. etc. These need to be countered.
>
> Not really, you just don't like any organization which doesn't
> kiss Linus' ass. The fact is, Linux really isn't getting adopted
> in the market, it's still niche, it still has many problems
> and people know this, no Linux company is even close to making
> profit, including Red Hat, and most people consider Linux a little
> toy unix-like OS for when they don't want to pay for Solaris or
> HP-UX and yet need something similar for testing or whatnot.
>
> -c
I can get Solaris 8 x86 for $75 and that's cheaper than RedHat
professional.
Whazza matter chad my lad... would you rather kiss Linus' ass or Gates'
ass?
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From: "tony roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:47:05 -0700
your comparing comodity hardware with very specialized hardware and whats so
tough about otf mpg compression. I'm quite sure any of the p3's are capable
of this. We dumped the o2's because the price/performance ratio was quite
bad compared to quad xenons with gigs of ram!
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g66ls$5se$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> goto www.xsnet.com and have a look at the ref. UNIX machines. The O2 w/
the
> video option is awsome, esp when capturing video w/ mpg compression on the
> fly. Something a Wintel b0x would choke over. Probably one of the best
> investments I have made.
>
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From: B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:44:30 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:53:53 -0500, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >I'm thinking that there has got to be a way to do this with NT, what
>> >with ACL's and all. Any pointers from the Winvocates?
>>
>> Fire her and hire someone who knows how to administer NT.
>
>I can't. I did not hire her.
>
>
>> Seriously. Your NT admin is a moron. Making write-only directories
>> is TRIVIAL. In fact I'm astonished you couldn't figure out how to do
>> it yourself.
>
>I can figure out how to do a write-only directly just fine. What I
>wasn't sure of was what was going on with the ftp server. What user it
>ran as and what permissions it gives to files it creates. I'm not the
>NT admin around here. It isn't my job description to know this stuff.
>
>Since you didn't, in fact, explain how to do this trivial task, I'll
>have to assume that you don't actually know and just posted to be
>insulting. Have a nice day.
Not knowing about the IUSR account equates to knowing nothing about
Internet services on NT/2000. Seriously, your NT admin is costing
your company money with her incompetence. This is something that kids
who cram for the IIS exam know--and it's about as difficult to figure
out as reading the documentation. I guess that's not your department
either, right? You could even just stumble across it going through
the configuration dialogs in the ISM. Really sad.
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From: Dennis Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:50:57 +0000
somebody wrote:
>
> Has anyone else read the latest issue of Linux Magazine? There is an interview
> of Dennis Ritchie complete with several photos of him sitting behind his desk at
> bell labs.
>
> his monitor is clearly visible-- very obviously and very ironically running
> ms-windows! LOL, i had to laugh!
>
> i didn't see any mention of that in the interview, but c'mon, the co-inventor of
> UNIX is now using Microsoft WINDOWS?!?!?
>
> check out the article for yourself. dunno if it's online anywhere.
The article doesn't seem to be online as of yesterday. I gather the
magazine is mainly paper-based.
People seem to have noticed the edges of the screen, but so far
no one has identified the contents and origin of the very large
pale-yellow window with pride of place on the screen.
Dennis
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:51:39 -0700
Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
>
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Quite painfully true in my case. My efforts on a Genrad (General Radio
> > Corp) to enhance productivity in Automated Test Engineering simulators
> > reduced the usual 2 man weeks of work down to 3 seconds. It was just a
> > big gapping oversight and I took care of it. But GenRad took found out
> > about it and took the whole kit'n kaboodle.
>
> Wow! Almost my exact same experience with the feds and their vendors. I
> even spent good money on a patent attorney just to get told I was screwed.
> I couldn't retain any IP rights because of the funding situation, but the
> funding agency couldn't own any of it, so a sponsoring company ended up
> owning everything.
>
> There really has to be a better way to do this since it's our tax dollars.
> And that doesn't mean giving it all to Mundie and MSFT... or anybody else
> other than the taxpayers who funded it.
There is only one-way out of that dilemna... you quit before they get
their hands on it and then start up your own business. That fellow I
mentioned about the Argon gas welder did just that after things were
working well. At least his attorney was pretty sharp and knew a good
thing when he saw one. Now the guy is filty rich!
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:51:46 +1200
> Then I think you are missing the point...
>
> Being patriotic has nothing to do with blindly
> defending anything. If you are a patriot, then
> you have cause to love your country. If you are
> not a patriot, then you either don't care, which
> is the attitude many of the "we must hate and
> punish ourselves" liberals are, or you simply
> don't like it here, in which case, you shouldn't
> stay here, lest you be miserable.
>
> > To me, patriotism is "America right or wrong".
>
> Again, you are missing the point of patriotism.
>
> Tell me, would you feel confident in American
> defense if our military wasn't patriotic?
>
> What if Bush decided to "be nice" to China, instead
> of threatening that we would show them where we
> were going to stick those chopsticks of theirs if
> they didn't exceed to our demands, do you think
> we would have gotten our men back?
>
> The notion that patriotism is a bad thing is a sign
> of someone who has been spiritually defeated, and
> I honestly cannot believe that you, assuming you are
> an American, do not feel some sort of pride in this
> place.
Why do you pick out China? Maybe during the cold war, the Soviet Union
(including the eastern block), China, Vietnam, North Korea, with a combined
standing army of 22million, should have wiped the US off the map. Europe
would be happy, no more uncultured yanks telling them what to do.
Britainnia regaining her position in the SUN once again. Canada happy they
finally have a quiet neighbour. Cuba continuing to produce cigars.
Generally speaking, the world moving on like normal.
> > > I don't love the U.S. because "I was born here by chance".
> > > I love the U.S. because I've seen the alternatives, and
> > > they suck in comparison.
> > >
> > > I'm sick of working-class union-types, who think that
> > > being American is about being a worker all your life.
> > >
> > > Being an American is about achieving greatness, on your
> > > own, like in the old days, when people knew what they
> > > had. If you think that there's no reason to love the
> > > US, then I'd suggest that you go and live in China for
> > > a few years, and then we'll see what you have to say.
> > >
> > > If you don't understand that, then you are a spineless
> > > coward.
> > >
> > > Godammed fucking linguini-spined coward liberals just
> > > piss me off... GRRR!@#
> >
> > Ok it seems we've touched on a hot subject here, just try to see it my
> > way, and I'm not some horrible commie who wants to burn all American
> > flags or something.
>
> I'll never see it that way, because I'm happy to be who
> I am. I'm a proud Yank, and I'll die a proud Yank. On
> top of that, I'm a Son of the American Revolution (SAR),
> so this country's roots flows in my veins, my friend.
Son of the American Revolution (SAR), <== Whining Yanks donot count. New
Zealand, settled, and treaty of Waitangi signed in 1880's, made a dominion
in the 1920's. So, for 40 years, we were a colony, and then we gained our
independence from mother England. Funny, when America gained her
independence by force, they were one of the last countries to ban slavery,
even though it was supposedly founded on "freedom" and "equality".
> I can't believe that you would seriously advocate that
> people shouldn't be proud of who they are, and where they
> come from... do you know what the word is for people who
> are like that?... defeated.
Yes, proud, but not ignorant of other countries. Too many times I have see
yanks living a life that is oblivious to the world around them. For
example, in High school (ages 13-17 years old) we learnt about the following
in History:
- Treaty of Waitangi
- James I, Charles I, II, III, Elizabeth I and Oliver Cromwell
- Russian Revolution
- Cold War
- Chinese revolution and the long march
- Vietnam
- American Revolution
- Germany: Bismark and the creation of the modern german state from the
Prussian states.
- First World War
- Second World War
- Korean War
- European Union
- The Maori Wars
- The United Nations
- NATO and the Warsaw Pact
The emphasis in the European/Australian/New Zealand education system is
approach history as a study of the world, instead of the US doctrine of
"learn about US, and thats it". I have talked to so many Americans, and I
can' t personally believe how US centric the education system in the US is.
The total ignorance of issues outside the US sphere is amazing. Also, the US
needs to understand that it, like other countries, they are mearly a clog in
the engine of the world. They are no better or worse than any other country.
Instead of ignoring the world, or trying to sway people to the US's
particular doctrine, they should instead work WITH countries to bring about
change.
This ignorance has can be seen in two instances:
1. Euro-Disney: Assumed that Europeans did things exactly like Yanks, which
they don't. Europeans don't stay over night at a theme parks. They don't
buy crap from food stalls in the park, they bring packed lunchs called, wait
for it, picnic's. They don't go for all this gaudy crap that you see yanks
buy. Hence, Euro-Disneys Failure was a result of ignorance.
2. Planet Hollywood: Failed in New Zealand and Australia, why? nobody is
going to pay $5 for a drink. Aussies and kiwi's are tight asses, they don't
like to be ripped off, they want to get value for money. Yes, it is all
very well coning in yanks, which is realitively easy, ask any market seller
in fiji who are the easiest to con, but kiwi's and Aussies don't fall for
it. Hence, Planet Hollywood failed.
> To be honest, it sounds to me that you are actually buying
> into the "we should be ashamed of who we are in light of
> the other cultures out there" blithering that the Daschles
> and the Gepharts in Washington are spewing onto the T.V.
Don't be ashamed of where you come from, but remember, don't be ignorant.
The worst thing is to be a partiotic, ignorant slob.
[conclusion above]
Reply to speech concluded with God Save the Queen, Land of hope and glory,
Britannia and God Defend New Zealand.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
Seek and ye shall find
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:56:12 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g65vf$5d0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > What a load of BS! Provide proof and a reference for such idiotic
> > > claims.
> > > I have Solaris 8 on my box and I've never had any trouble using it in
> > > over a year now.
> > > What piece of junk are you using?... an old Packard-Bell?
> > >
> > > Yep,... you are the one that blowing smoke up everyones ass. All of
> > > your claims sound like one that doesn't know what he is doing.
> >
> > Just as a follow up the Chad's claims regarding the patching process. What
> > error message is being output'ed? because, there is an error code which
> > corresponds to a meaning, and in most cases, when the error does occur, it
> > is simply saying that, that particular patch has already been applied.
>
> Usually, it says something about a file being used by another patch.
>
> I've seen others flash up about how it couldn't execute a command or
> script or something. They just flash by in the countless lines of
> useless crap output it displays as its hosing the OS and blowing away
> and hope of ever booting again.
>
> > As for Solaris, it is an awsome OS
>
> So long as you don't try to do anything with it =) Basic things are
> fine (web serving, file serving, etc) but once you have to start
> modifying the kernel parameters for Oracle or installing patches
> for various apps, forget it, it's a nightmare.
>
> > however, if they added SoundBlaster
> > Live! support, and Real Player was ported, Solaris would be my default
> > desktop on the PeeCee.
>
> Solaris x86? God, I could only imagine how much worse that would be!
>
> -c
Well it sounds like it far beyond your acumen.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:57:56 +1200
"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> Well, let me throw this one at you, how do you feel about the fact that
> here in America, somebody under 21 can buy a gun and serve his country,
> but he/she can't even walk into a friggin' bar and order a beer? Where's
> the American freedom there?
>
> I've heard several Canadians talk about warning people who take a trip
> into America about how to act with the police: be extremely obsequious.
> In Canada apparently, the police act as a force that exists to help you,
> they are friendly, courteous, helpful etc. They don't automatically
> assume you are guilty of a crime like here in the states. American
> police are seen as jack-booted thugs who have stop and search your car
> if they feel like it, without a warning.
>
> If anywhere should be put on the pedestal of freedom, it should be
> Denmark.
>
> So while I do have a certain amount of pride in this country, part of me
> is pissed off as hell about the apathy people display when they tout the
> "freedom" of America when that's not entirely the case.
Also, atleast the Danish actually exercise their democratic right by
actually voting! I would be disgusted at the number of people who turned
out to vote in the US election.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
Seek and ye shall find
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:59:03 -0700
Greg Cox wrote:
>
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Hey, when is MS gonna fix VC6.0??
> > > > I've been waiting for over a year and still no fixes.
> > >
> > > Are you not aware of the 5 service packs? SP5 was released about 6 months
> > > ago.
> >
> > No... which link to download these service packs. I'd hate to throw
> > away my investment and start over with Metrowerks tools.
> >
> >
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?
>
> Select your product and OS from the dropdown listboxes, hit the "Find It"
> key, and you'll be able to select the service pack you want to download.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you... I've been looking for upgrades for quite a while... MS
support services said it was on the MSDN cd-roms... I sure couldn't find
them.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:02:57 -0700
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> >
> > True enough. Back in the 80's I had three languages installed on a VAX
> > and sometimes mixed the three together to get good results. At least on
> > a VAX I could link these object modules together without any hassles or
> > tricks.
>
> Its rather humourous that Microsoft on the other hand saw computing in the
> 80's non-standardise and evil, TRANSLATION: Bill Gates wasn't screwing the
> market over and over again.
>
> The market was not fragmented or any other Microsoft drival relating the
> market situation. UNIX was not fragmented, there were only three UNIX's for
> Intel, SCO UnixWare, *BSD and Solaris, during the 80s. So, this self
> proclaimed, "we created the PC revolution" is based on nothing but Microsoft
> propaganda.
>
> For the businesses, there were UNIX mainframes/servers w/ dumb terminals,
> which did everything desktop did. Small businesses bought shared time on
> mainframes, which, compared to now, worked out cheaper. For home use, the
> two major players were Atari and Amiga, and generally speaking you could
> swap files between Atari-Amiga without any problems.
>
> For Yanks who don't know who Atari or Amiga is, no offence, but ignorance is
> your nation's past time, and it won't ever change.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> I am the blue screen of death
> nobody hears your scream's
>
> Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
> however, in New Zealand and Australia
> a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
Me yank... I had an Atari and an Amiga... I liked the amiga better.
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