Linux-Advocacy Digest #223, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 07:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!! ("Edward Rosten")
Linux freindly ISPs? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Getting used to Linux ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Edward Rosten")
"This will not happen again," said the Microsoft spokesperson. "Period." (Anonymous)
Re: IBM Goes Gay ("Edward Rosten")
netscape 6.1 - anyone? (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: IBM Goes Gay ("Edward Rosten")
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone? ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: "This will not happen again," said the Microsoft spokesperson. "Period."
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Rick)
Re: Linux freindly ISPs? ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:35:50 +0100
>> it is true that the Japanese had developed a bomb. However, the them or
>> us is bollocks because the Japanese had no air force left and hence no
>> delivery mecanism for the bomb.
>
> Right they didn't have a single plane that could've slipped through our
> air defenses... rrrrright.
>
> AFAIK they continued to carry out kamikaze attacks up until the end.
Kamikaze attacks are rather easier since it doesn't require the pilot to
survive. Getting a plane all the way to the US from Japan witha nuclear
payload would have been an impossible task since they were a bit lacking
in really long range planes.
The US had radar, so a large, slow long range bomber would have been
spotted and shot down very quickly.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:40:02 +0100
> Drink bitter. Lager is not beer! Amongst other things, it is flashed
> cooled to a temperature where your taste-buds are no longer effective
> (deliberately, because it tastes very bad), it is pasteurised, thus
> removing much of the flavour it might have had, and it is carbonated,
> thus making it unpleasant to drink, causing the stomach to bloat, and
> giving a
> 'full' feeling.
Lager is good for one thing. It goes well with hot curries. It seems to
be rather better than water at calming the heat, but other than that, I'd
prefer a bitter or ale any day.
> Real bitter (not the 'smoothflow/creamflow rubbish, which is like lager
> only nitrogen injected rather than carbon dioxide - same as guiness,
> btw), that is.
>
> Lager is the Microsoft of the beer world. Over hyped, over sold, cheap
> to make, presented as a 'high quality product' to an unsuspecting
> marketplace.
yep.
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:48:43 +0100
Hi Guys!
Question for the UK linux users here.
Which dialup ISPs are Linux friendly, and which one do you think is the
best?
I'm moving in to a flat soon and since I have a Linux box, I need a Linux
friendly ISP, also, cable is not an option.
Also can anyone also reccomend a good external modem for Linux? I don't
want an internal one since they're harder to swap computers with.
I know this group well enought to know that i'll get some pretty solid
advice, and I'd also kindly ask the wintrolls to go away.
If necessary, I can get hold of a Windows box temporarily if I need that
to register.
Thanks
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:50:05 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Donal K. Fellows"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>> I think RMS was possessed by Satan when he wrote emacs. Is there any
>> other explanation?
>
> You mean "apart from chemical enhancement" I suppose...
Emacs is beyond chemical influence. Satanic posession is the only
explanation for such a truly evil creation.
-Ed
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(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:52:33 +0100
>>I find books easier. Even with a very expensive moniter, bright light
>>can be a problem. Also, if your text is well typeset at 2400dpi, the
>>need to change the font size is reduced somewhat. The things I find
>>easier are the much higher resoultion (better typesetting, much sharper
>>fonts), higher contrast (makes shadows a limited problem except in
>>bright light).
>
> Yeah, but then you've got to worry about the light etc. After a while,
> you get used to the glare of the monitor. My eyes are practically dead.
> I have to keep spraying them with water every 5 minutes just to stop
> them going crispy.
I still have good eyes and want them to stay that way.
>>You can also pick up the book and go and sit in a comfy chair which is
>>not easy to do with my computer.
>
> Yeah, buta large book is a bit of an arse to have to cope with. Or you
> could connect the computer up to the telly and read everything off the
> there, with the keyboard on your lap.
The good ones split up the books in to several managable volumes.
>>Copyiung/pasting mabey of some use, but it would be best to have both,
>>since the price of a CD is so cheap, they should give one away with the
>>printed version.
>
> Possibly.
Best of both worlds, really.
>>You may not agree, but many people do, which is why books aren't going
>>anywhere soon.
>
> Also, books are better in that you don't have to launch up your computer
> etc every time you want to look at something, and the pictures are
> generally better quality.
That is true.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:57:57 -0400
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: "This will not happen again," said the Microsoft spokesperson. "Period."
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6270970.html?tag=tp_pr
Hey everyone! Microsoft said they will NEVER
make a botched patch again!
How reassuring!
Let's all set our watches now and see
how long before this promise is broken!
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:59:41 +0100
In article <9g9o5p$q0o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> Didn't you call someone a limey in a recent post? I suppose that's
>>>>>> not as bad as being a homophobe, although I'm not sure why.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might have. I hate the english.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----.
>>>
>>>> Racism is comtemptible.
>>>
>>> Hating the english isnt racism, its nationalism.
>
>> Hating someone based on a steroetype of their race is racism.
>
> So "english" is a race now?
Yes.
Like most other countries, we have a different set of scoial rituals
which make us differnent from the people next door. There seems to be an
opinion that Englishism is a passive state and anyone else with a
different race makes their racial considerations more important. This I
disagree with since I think my racial considerations are just as
improtant as the next mans.
If you visit England, you will see there are differnt social norms
compared to the US, Scontlan Wales and Ireland. We also speak a slightle
different dialect of english.
You are probably one of those people who thinks that you have to be from
"elsewhere" to have a race.
> You fucking moron. I'll bet youre engilsh.
No and yes, in that order.
> I dont hate *caucasians*, you ignorant swine. I hate people from
> england, no matter what fucking color they are, bitch.
^^^^^^^^
You do a goot "Ali G" impersonation :-)
I wasn't accusing you of hating non caucasians. I was accusing you of
being racist for hating the English. There is a difference. There are
planty of non caucasian Englishmen.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Subject: netscape 6.1 - anyone?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:36:21 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did anyone of you try out ns6.1 preview yet?
I wonder if it is "advocable"...
Didn't check it out yet cause my poor connection at home.
cya, Burkhard
(can be downloaded here:
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6.1_PR1/ )
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:02:08 +0100
In article <9g9o70$q0o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Richard Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Hating the english isnt racism, its nationalism.
>
>> Don't be stupid! Of course it's racism - what made you think that it
>> isn't?
>
> Ah, yet another .uk address that doesnt know the difference between
> nationality and race.
>
> How surprising.
there is little, bordering on no difference between the 2. Different
nationalities have different customs, etc. Where do you draw the line
between different races and different nationalities? Please don't be as
small minded as claiming skin colour is a suitabl difference.
-Ed
--
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:21:03 +0100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Stephen S. Edwards II wrote:
> >
> > >"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, let me throw this one at you, how do you feel about the fact that
> > >> here in America, somebody under 21 can buy a gun and serve his country,
> > >> but he/she can't even walk into a friggin' bar and order a beer? Where's
> > >> the American freedom there?
> > >
> > >It is preposterous, and such laws are a result
> > >of the liberal mindset. That law was as recent
> > >as the 70's, IIRC. The reason why laws like
> > >that one get put into place is because of
> > >a lack of patriotism, and pride. People just
> > >apathetically allow these idiotic politicians
> > >to do their own bidding, without saying a damn
> > >word.
> >
> > The reason such laws exist in the US is the Republican Elizabeth Dole. As
> > transport secretary in the early 1980s, Mrs Dole hit on the idea of linking
> > federal highway grants to raising the legal drinking age to 21. Sadly, even
> > states that are supposed to take freedom particularly seriously, such as
> > New Hampshire (motto: Live free or die) decided to take the cash.
> >
> > This kind of thing is fuelled by two currents in American life: petty
> > puritanism and a pathological obsession with safety.
>
> The problem is, kids are drinking and driving. The problem is getting
> worse, not better, with the laws that are in place.
>
> Compare this to the fine men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces
> who are highly trained individuals and understand the responsiblity
> of carrying a firearm.
>
> The kids out there are drinking way to much as minors and getting
> into cars and driving and killing other innocent people, killing
> and destroying families.
>
> There is a huge problem with drinking and driving and nearly all of
> it is because of minors.
>
> There is a problem, don't downplay it. People had their freedom,
> and they blew the responsibility and continue to blow it. If you
> abuse your freedom and use it to kill other people, you shouldn't
> have that freedom any longer. < 21 year olds have proven themselves
> unworthy of the privilege of drinking at 18 yo. I realize that's
> not a very conservative viewpoint, but from a society perspective,
> freedom is one thing, but if your freedom involves others dying,
> then that's not freedom at all. Just like yelling "Fire!" in
> a crowded movie theatre. Your freedom adversely affects the freedom
> of others.
>
The only thing that has reduced the number of drunk driving incidents
is the stiffer penalties for drunk driving. Kids under the age of 21
still drink just as much now as when the drinking law was set at 18.
....
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:28:21 +0100
"~�~" wrote:
>
[...]
> You think conservatives want people to become educated?
> Look at their education bills. They don't want you to have a clue about the
> true history of this country. Because if you did, you'd realize what true
> scoundrels they are. You sound as if you are their poster boy.
>
> You need to hit the books pal, and open your mind.
>
For the first time in 8 years the USA has an education policy
under the Bush Administration. Under the Clinton Administration
the education policy consisted of nothing more than Slick Willie
chasing school girls his daughter's age.
....
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:44:09 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> > Considering that the USA is globalizing the entire world I would
> > say that there is an American or two who realizes the world beyond
> > the US shores.
>
> Europe has told you to piss off,
You must live in a cave and have missed the mega-billion dollar
mergers going on back and forth across the Atlantic.
> New Zealand told you to piss off,
Who cares? I guess that means no more sheep products for
the US! <*snicker*>
> and Asia told you to piss off.
You *do* live in a cave.
....
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:04:53 +0100
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
[...]
>
> IOW, it was a lack of patriotism (ie: the love for one's
> country and its ideals) that put Europe in the shitter.
>
Amen, brother!!! A country without patriotism is east pickins.
....
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netscape 6.1 - anyone?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:23:40 +1200
I'm currently running Windows 2000 on my Intel machine using Mozilla
0.9.1 as the browser. Compared to Nutscrape Scabpicker 6, it a massive
improvement. Mozilla 0.9.1 is fast, responsive, reliable, and very
stable. Also the modern theme actually looks quite spiffy in the
Mozilla 0.9.1 release. I haven't yet tried it out on the SGI O2 or the
SUN b0x yet, however, if it as good as the Windows version, maybe
Mozilla will finally win back customers off Microsoft.
Matthew Gardiner
Burkhard W�lfel wrote:
> Did anyone of you try out ns6.1 preview yet?
>
> I wonder if it is "advocable"...
> Didn't check it out yet cause my poor connection at home.
>
> cya, Burkhard
>
>
>
>
> (can be downloaded here:
> ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6.1_PR1/ )
>
>
>
>
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: "This will not happen again," said the Microsoft spokesperson. "Period."
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:26:01 +1200
Anonymous wrote:
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6270970.html?tag=tp_pr
>
> Hey everyone! Microsoft said they will NEVER
> make a botched patch again!
> How reassuring!
>
> Let's all set our watches now and see
> how long before this promise is broken!
>
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>
Doesn't that sound as credible as "I did not have sexual relations with
that woman, Monica Lewinski". Maybe instead of promising, they start
installing the correct checks and balances so that it never happens again.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:06:06 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > Not to mention the most successful (longest running) spacestation.
> >
> > -Ed
>
> From what I heard, It was actually running DIGITAL UNIX as their main OS.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
Logs of ISS's expedition 1 tell about OSs on board the new station.
( case sensitive find "OS" for those in hurry)
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:35:09 -0400
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <9g8fp2$2mtk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stuart Fox"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9g673u$688$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> What I would actually like to see is PDF replace all proprietary
> >> document formats, so there is one, universal document format that will
> >> work on
> > every
> >> platform, every office suite, no matter who makes it.
> >>
> >
> > PDF **is** a proprietary format. It's owned by Adobe. It's no less
> > proprietary than DOC or XLS.
>
> It si completely open , though.
>
> -Ed
>
Is it? Is the source available and can anyone modify that source?
Rick
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:46:09 +1200
Edward Rosten wrote:
> Hi Guys!
>
> Question for the UK linux users here.
>
> Which dialup ISPs are Linux friendly, and which one do you think is the
> best?
>
> I'm moving in to a flat soon and since I have a Linux box, I need a Linux
> friendly ISP, also, cable is not an option.
>
> Also can anyone also reccomend a good external modem for Linux? I don't
> want an internal one since they're harder to swap computers with.
>
>
> I know this group well enought to know that i'll get some pretty solid
> advice, and I'd also kindly ask the wintrolls to go away.
>
> If necessary, I can get hold of a Windows box temporarily if I need that
> to register.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Ed
AOL ;) I know, I know, that was just pure evil.
Demon.net UK Internet? I think they have a flatrate plan. Unfortunately
I am not too clued up about the internet scene in the UK.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:57:43 +1200
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
>>>Considering that the USA is globalizing the entire world I would
>>>say that there is an American or two who realizes the world beyond
>>>the US shores.
>>>
>>Europe has told you to piss off,
>>
>
> You must live in a cave and have missed the mega-billion dollar
> mergers going on back and forth across the Atlantic.
No actually, I don't live in a cave. I would likely put them as buy
outs, esp the large aquisitions the UK mobile phone giant, Vodafone has
been making recently. Oh, and poor US, they don't have decent wireless
inferstructure, thank goodness they are finally providing the
inferstructure to that poor, backwards country ;)
>
>
>
>>New Zealand told you to piss off,
>>
>
> Who cares? I guess that means no more sheep products for
> the US! <*snicker*>
Thats coming from a person who lives in a country that has *JUST*
started to deploy EFTPOS, something Scandinavia, Spain and New Zealand
have had for years. What do I hear the big hype in the US? McDonalds has
EFTPOS, well whip-de-do, New Zealand has had it for well over 5 years,
nation wide!
>
>>and Asia told you to piss off.
>>
>
> You *do* live in a cave.
China will be, in 20 years time, the US's equal. When the likes of Bush
and his cronies try anything dodgy, there will always be China there to
tell the US where to stick it.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:56:52 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
[snip]
> > And yes, your petro tax IS outrageous! It's called robbery here in the
> > states and has been known to cause historical revolutions.
>
> It's not outrageous. We use too much petrol.
I have a brand new name for the US in german which is "Verunreinigende
Staaten von America", Polluting States of A. , as opposed to the usual
"Vereinigte S. von A.".
Dubya's decision not to meet the criteria of the Kyoto convention fits
together with that story about the US and the UN Human Rights Commision
perfectly, at least that's how some Europeans take it. The US define
criteria of international discussions or what?
Energy taxes in europe are the result of decades of discussion, research
and parliamentary work, and they helped to cut down fuel consumtion down
to 3 l/km (I won't give your the gallons/mile here. I often blame
arrogance on stupidity, you are invited to do so here, too.).
Imagine how supporters of the energy change feel as the US say they
don't mind, giving a reason thats become obsolete years ago.
I dont necessarily say that we are right with that viewpoint we call
progressive. It's all worth discussing.
But that Kyoto thing is more a "Fu## off" than a discussion, really.
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