Linux-Advocacy Digest #275, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 18:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare)
Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare)
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (drsquare)
Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare)
Re: What does XP stands for ??? (drsquare)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" (Dreg)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" (Zsolt)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Dave Martel)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (GreyCloud)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Josiah Fizer)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (GreyCloud)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:45 +0100
On 15 Jun 2001 14:05:13 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> Also, you can't pirate a book!
>> >
>> >I just typed "book" into Agent and found out yes indeedy you can pirate a
>> >book. You can pirate A LOT of books.
>>
>> How do you do that?
>
>Books are available on-line, including e-books or just the text of a book.
But then you'd have to print it all out etc.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:46 +0100
On 15 Jun 2001 13:27:15 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Because you're not intercepting pages, inserting your own links, then
>> sending them off to millions of users.
>
>Neither do Smart Tags. You really should understand this before
>deciding that's it's evil.
>
>I have Windows XP here. It includes IE 6 with the Smart Tags feature.
When was it released? Where can I get it from?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:47 +0100
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:57:01 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Rocketboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>drsquare wrote:
>
>> With Linux, I'm lucky if it installs at all, and that's AFTER
>> downloading all the packages and dealing with all the conflicts.
>
>Obviously you haven't sorted out all the conflicts and installed all
>the packages, or the software would work.
>
>If you have so much trouble installing Linux software, it only seems
>logical that you don't use Linux very often.
I use it very often, but that doesn't get rid of the problem of having
to reconnect and hunt down packages all the time.
>If you don't use Linux
>very often, it's only logical that you don't really know what you're
>doing with it.
Since the first statement was incorrect, the rest is irrelevent.
>A poor workman blames his tools.
Especially if the tools are shit.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:48 +0100
On 15 Jun 2001 11:41:14 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(robert$#-- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare says...
>>>>Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say,
>>>>you wanted to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me.
>>>
>>>May be because he liked that specific card?
>>
>>So even if he liked it, he should buy it even though it wouldn't work?
>
>It seems that the card works. It is just that Linux does not
>have the software and the drivers to use it.
I meant, why did he buy it if it wouldn't work with linux, and he
wanted to use it with linux?
>Linux seems to be always playing catch up. Once drivers are written
>to the card, a better card comes up with windows ready drivers, and
>by the time Linux can support the new card, another newer and better
>card comes out.
Well, curse that evil linux for not having drivers written for it...
>So, for multimedia and graphics, linux remains a generation behind windows.
And for important things, like stability, efficiency, and
functionality, windows remains a few generations behind linux.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:49 +0100
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:59:33 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] ()) wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:36 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>What the hell are you talking about?
>>>
>>>whining and bitching and struggling for 16 hours vs. plopping $30 down
>>>for a real modem. (albeit a used 56K modem)
>>
>>Why should I have to spend $30 in the first place?
>
>Sure. One's time isn't worth $2/hr and it's so much more fun to whine
>and bitch instead of taking a simple cheap solution.
Yeah, it's so cheap to spend $30 instead of �0
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:49 +0100
On 15 Jun 2001 14:07:08 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> What if the modem drivers were on the same disk!
>> >
>> >Hayes Generic Modem - nothing to download.
>> >Perhaps, more likely, your modem is already on the list of thousands
>> >supported.
>>
>> Not if it's a winmodem.
>
>Hmm... if it's a winmodem then it's designed to work with Windows only and
>it's acknowledged that if you don't have the disk then you are, indeed,
>hosed UNLESS it's one of the several most popular brands that have drivers
>included on the CD already.
>
>And, tell me, how well does Linux work with a winmodem even with a disk
>handy?
How well does Windows work with a linuxonlymodem even with a disk
handy?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:50 +0100
On 15 Jun 2001 14:07:13 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >>>and would rather whine and bitch, valueing one's time at $2/hr.
>> >>
>> >>What the hell are you talking about?
>> >
>> >whining and bitching and struggling for 16 hours vs. plopping $30 down
>> >for a real modem. (albeit a used 56K modem)
>>
>> Why should I have to spend $30 in the first place?
>
>To actually buy one?
Why should I have had to? Yet another plot by microsoft to keep people
locked into its OS
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:27:51 +0100
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:28:50 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> How many complete, and utter luser/morons do you see using UNIX?
>> >
>> >Well, Aaron says he uses *nix...
>>
>> Exceptions don't make rules.
>
>He didn't ask for the rule, he asked for utter luser/morons using Unix.
Are you using unix?
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From: Dreg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:14:35 GMT
On 15 Jun 2001 09:35:02 -0500, "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, "DLL Hell" is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or
>XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the front
>page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/):
>
>"gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare
>
>gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell. The
>executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of
>course, with the right version."
>
>I'm sorry but... har! har! har!
>
>"Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all of
>them."
>
>Sure, just upgrade
>
>"Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are accustomed
>to this sort of problem. "
apt-get install gnucash
Idiot...
cheers,
dreg
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:30:49 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Except my wifes HP 8175... 48Mb ram, 6Gb harddrive.... winmodem...
> > cd-rom
> > PII-mmx.... it runs too slow with win98se on it as it is. Doubt that it
> > would do any better under XP.
>
> Get more RAM, 48Mb is not really adeque even for Win98.
Yes I know. But this particular HP uses EDO ram and isn't really a
bother to upgrade.
We're waiting to move into a new house and then get her a new machine.
Only this time I'm putting in 256Mb for her graphics work.
--
V
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From: Zsolt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:33:39 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:16:44 -0500 presented us with
the wisdom:
> "Zsolt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I see you still don't get it...
> > In Linux (and Unix in general) the version number is part of the name and
> it has
> > always been like that - Windows just copied that in XP lagging behind a
> few
> > decades as usual. So, installing the required specific versions does _NOT_
> > impact other applications (that require other specific versions) at all!
> > So, _you_ in XP might be just past that, but _we_ in Unix world have never
> > been there (in DLL hell)... sorry to disappoint you!
>
> That only goes so far.
>
> When dealing with common libraries this can cause many problems.
>
> Consider an application which uses 3 libraries. liba, libb, and libc. The
> application and libb require liba version 3, but libc requires liba version
> 2. When you link the libraries together, only one version of liba will be
Major logic violation... core dumped!
I'm sorry, but your example is flawed at its very base.
How could an aplication require liba version 3 while it requires libc which
itself requires liba version 2 - that means you can _never_ compile and run
this application on any system in the world - so your example is very nice
but it has a simple problem: it is impossible - never could happen....
> linked in, and that will be liba version 3, because the libraries themselves
> don't have linkage information. libc breaks because it expects liba version
> 2, and isn't compatible with version 3.
>
Each application (i.e. executable) contains the reference to _one_ exact version
of _each_ library it requires (was built with). If you have library inconsistency at
build time, then you have to resolve that, otherwise you won't get the app to link.
Once you get the app to link (have an executable), then you have a set of consistent
library reqirements. Simple, efficient and it has been working during the past 20
years,
unlike the DLL system (aka DLL hell)
Zsolt
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:35:51 -0600
On 15 Jun 2001 14:04:09 -0500, "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I gave some examples. Tell me ANYTHING about a printed copy that is better
>than the electronic version.
You don't need electricity to read it.
And have you ever tried to balance a notebook computer on your lap
while sitting on the toilet?
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:36:38 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> >>>I just think that McCaine has a grudge against bush.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I remember, when Bill Clinton went for his second term, there was a dim
> >>witt who wanted to close the US up, vitually make it an eastern block
> >>because "foreign competition was taking jobs away from US citizens".
> >>
> >>Someone should have really smacked the guy in the head with a reality stick.
> >>
> >>Matthew Gardiner
> >>
> >
> > Ooohhh! Sometimes these little tidbits never get released into American
> > mainstream media. Am I surprised?
> >
> >
>
> Of all the places, it was on BBC World.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
Buchanan was blacked out pretty much on the media here. If anything,
the only references he got was a crackpot. No debates with him
included.
And very little was said about it.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:38:39 -0700
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "Thaddius Maximus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > drsquare wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:38:54 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > > ("Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > >> Well, let me throw this one at you, how do you feel about the fact that
> > > > >> here in America, somebody under 21 can buy a gun and serve his country,
> > > > >> but he/she can't even walk into a friggin' bar and order a beer? Where's
> > > > >> the American freedom there?
> > > > >
> > > > >It is preposterous, and such laws are a result
> > > > >of the liberal mindset.
> > > >
> > > > Liberal mindset? How are such draconian laws liberal?
> > > >
> > > > >That law was as recent
> > > > >as the 70's, IIRC. The reason why laws like
> > > > >that one get put into place is because of
> > > > >a lack of patriotism, and pride. People just
> > > > >apathetically allow these idiotic politicians
> > > > >to do their own bidding, without saying a damn
> > > > >word.
> > > >
> > > > Well, that's democracy for you. If I was the absolute dictator of the
> > > > world, such things would never happen.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For the last time - the USA is NOT a democracy and has never been a
> > > democracy. The USA is a republic!
> >
> > It's a democratic republic. It's a representative democracy which is
> > a form of democracy. Either way, it's close enough, so stop bitching =)
> >
>
> If you are into media buzzwords, then yes, you are correct. But if
> you value correct knowledge, then you are dead wrong.
>
> The USA is neither a "democratic republic" nor a "representative
> democracy."
>
> The USA is a republic!
>
> "Republican government: One in which the powers of sovereignty are
> vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly,
> or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers
> are specially delegated."
>
> "Democracy: That form of government in which the sovereign power resides
> in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or
> indirectly through a system of representation."
>
> ....
The way governments' been acting it sounds more like a plutocracy.
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:42:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > THAT'S NOT WHAT SMART TAGS DO!!!!!!!!!! Yes that was shouting!
> >
> > It's strictly local to the machine viewing the page. The page on the
> > server IS NOT CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
>
> He never said it was.
>
> He said the pages are 'intercepted' and changed. Presumably by the
> browser.
If that were true, then changing the fonts and colors is also
"intercepting and changing". Why is no one complaining about that????
Dan
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:41:39 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Thaddius Maximus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Republican government: One in which the powers of sovereignty are
> > > > vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly,
> > > > or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers
> > > > are specially delegated."
> > > >
> > > > "Democracy: That form of government in which the sovereign power resides
> > > > in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or
> > > > indirectly through a system of representation."
> > >
> > > If you look at both of those carefully, the US fits under the description
> > > of a representative democracy and republic. Why can't something be both?
> > > Hint: it can.
> > >
> > > -Ed
> > >
> >
> >
> > In a "representative democracy" the people have sovereign power through
> > representatives. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE IN THE USA!!! Seesh...
>
> How so, or how not so?
>
> -c
I've got a good example for "how not so"... in the State of Wash. we
have the initiative right to put an issue up for vote ... if we get
enough signatures on an initiative it goes on the next ballot. We voted
to rescind a lot of local taxes here and it passed. However, the
opposition forces, mainly composed of liberals and tax happy
conservatives, took it to court saying it was unconstitutional. So much
for "Power to the People".
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:45:03 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Settle down.
>
> We know that the file on the server is not changed.
>
> What's at issue is that new hyperlinks are added to the text of a web
> page before it is shown to the user, and that the author of the web page
> has no control over these new added hyperlinks.
Once again, so what? The author of the web page has no control over my
choice of fonts, colors, graphics, sounds, etc. Why no wailing and
complaining about that?
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:46:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Thaddius Maximus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:22:06 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>>
[snip]
>> [The US is] a democratic republic. It's a representative democracy
>> which is a form of democracy. Either way, it's close enough, so
>> stop bitching =)
>>
>
>If you are into media buzzwords, then yes, you are correct. But if
>you value correct knowledge, then you are dead wrong.
>
>The USA is neither a "democratic republic" nor a "representative
>democracy."
>
>The USA is a republic!
The USA is a republic whose members are democratically elected.
In theory, anyway -- some scandals in 1930-era Chicago suggest otherwise,
way back. (IIRC, anyway.) There are also some issues with
presidential primaries and elections.
Russia is also a republic. I don't know the selection method
of its members offhand. Most likely, it's also democratic nowadays.
Of course, it was democratic in the communistic days, too; the
only diff was that one had the "choice" of a single alternative
(selected by the Party, presumably, or a rep thereof).
>
>"Republican government: One in which the powers of sovereignty are
>vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly,
>or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers
>are specially delegated."
>
>"Democracy: That form of government in which the sovereign power resides
>in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or
>indirectly through a system of representation."
[rest snipped]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 0d:15h:02m actually running Linux.
We are all naked underneath our clothes.
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:47:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >It's strictly local to the machine viewing the page. The page on the
> >server IS NOT CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> What difference does that make? Before the user sees the page,
> microsoft has intercepted it and stuck in some links.
So if I change the fonts, colors, turn off graphics and sounds, etc.
then Microsoft has "intercepted it" and changed it in some way that the
web author did not intend?
What's the difference here? No one complains about that!
Dan
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:48:52 -0700
Thaddius Maximus wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> > >
> > > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Thaddius Maximus"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> > > Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are
> > > > >> > > no more cultured than the Americans.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long
> > > > >> > way to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path
> > > > >> > at the head of the world?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows
> > > > >> that the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax"
> > > > >> hype created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony
> > > > >> Blaire's second term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better,
> > > > >> we know who won! unlike the US election that just dragged on and on.
> > > > >> Mind you, I never followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches
> > > > >> democracy doesn't practice it when election time rolls around.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Matthew Gardiner
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that the
> > > > > USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
> > > >
> > > > It's a representative democracy.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, it's a republic! The term "representative democracy" is purely
> > > to satisfy those who cannot grasp that the USA is a republic and who
> > > remain committed to believing that the USA is a democracy. It's
> > > simply a term to satisfy the ignorant.
> > >
> > > Nowhere in the US Constitution can the word "democracy" be found,
> > > must less the term "representative democracy."
> > >
> > > The biggest abusers of the term democracy, embarrassingly and
> > > unfortunately, are US politicans.
> > >
> > > ....
> >
> > The term "representative democracy" was devised by the democratic party
> > and the tabloid press. Repeat an error often enough and long enough and
> > people will start to believe in the big lie.
> >
>
> Thank you GreyCloud!!! I relize that I have been banging the heck
> out of this subject matter, but damn it, Americans should at least
> understand their own form of government. And non-Americans should
> at least come to terms that they should never approach me about
> how America is breaking its vows to the democratic oath.
>
> I am proud to be an American and I am governed by a Republic!!!
>
> ....
If the others want a clue as to how things changed they should go read
'Animal Farm'
It seems to explain the process of spin doctoring in a direction for the
end results.
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:50:01 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Frankly, after turning it on (I have Windows XP here) I like it. I
> > think you folks complaining about it simply haven't seen it in action
> > and/or don't understand how it works and what it does.
>
> It keeps a list of words and URLs. When it encounters a word in a web
> pages, it transforms that word into a hyperlink to the associated URL.
> The list of words and URLs is determined by someone other than the web
> site's author.
>
> What part do I have wrong?
Nothing. That's exactly what it does. What I don't understand is why
this is perceived as some "evil" plot.
Actually, I'm hoping they fix it so *I* can add to the list of
recognized words.
It's just a handy feature that is easily turned off (which is the
default, BTW). Once you see it (there's no reason IE 6 for the Mac {OS
X perhaps?} won't get this feature) I think your opinion of it will
change.
Dan
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From: Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:49:43 -0700
On 15 Jun 2001 16:42:04 -0500, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> > THAT'S NOT WHAT SMART TAGS DO!!!!!!!!!! Yes that was shouting!
>> >
>> > It's strictly local to the machine viewing the page. The page on the
>> > server IS NOT CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>>
>> He never said it was.
>>
>> He said the pages are 'intercepted' and changed. Presumably by the
>> browser.
>
>If that were true, then changing the fonts and colors is also
>"intercepting and changing". Why is no one complaining about that????
>
>Dan
Or better yet. Apples system wide color correction intercepts the
images on my web page and CHANGES THE COLORS without my authorization.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:50:01 -0700
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > The term "representative democracy" was devised by the democratic party
> > and the tabloid press. Repeat an error often enough and long enough and
> > people will start to believe in the big lie.
>
> BS. It is a description of a system where a buncha of representatives
> are elected (democratically) to run the country.
>
> The confusion is that "democracy"=="representative democracy" which is not
> true.
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> (You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
>
> /d{def}def/f{/Times-Roman findfont s scalefont setfont}d/s{10}d/r{roll}d f 5 -1
> r 230 350 moveto 0 1 179{2 1 r dup show 2 1 r 88 rotate 4 mul 0 rmoveto}for/s 15
> d f pop 240 420 moveto 0 1 3 {4 2 1 r sub -1 r show}for showpage
Do you know that the original definition of a true democracy embraced
slavery???
Do you see any slaves here, other than debt slaves??
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:52:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And Microsoft will be intercepting pages, and adding in links before
> serving them to the end user.
Microsoft doesn't "intercept" anything. It's a feature that *I* can
turn on or off.
In fact, the links are added *after* the page is displayed.
Dan
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