Linux-Advocacy Digest #277, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 19:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Dave Martel)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: Here's a switch for a change (GreyCloud)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (GreyCloud)
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Form@C)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (.)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" ("Gary Hallock")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (.)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan)
Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Getting used to Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (GreyCloud)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (macman)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (macman)
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:17:14 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PLEASE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL---No one has ever suggested that
> it goes through Microsoft's servers.
>
> But Microsoft's software does change the structure of the web page by
> adding hyperlinks that the author never intended. Microsoft is clearly
> involved.
PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH *YOUR* THICK SKULL--- I can make more
"structural changes" to a page by changing fonts, colors, turning off
graphics and sounds. Hell, I can use a text-only browser. Is the
author of my text-only browser involved in a copyright issue?
Dan
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:16:33 -0600
SuSE Linux 7.2 for i386 Arrives, IA-64 On the Way
<http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-06-15-010-20-NW-SS>
"SuSE Linux 7.2 has been released today, in its usual Personal and
Professional flavors. What is not usual is the fact that SuSE GMbH has
about to release a new flavor of SuSE on June 20: the first commercial
distribution of Linux ported to the new Intel Itanium 64-bit
processor."
"SuSE Linux 7.2 for IA-64 will be based on Linux Kernel 2.4.4 Besides
the actual operating system, the IA-64 release comprises of 1,500
applications on 6 CD-ROMs, enabling the setup of Intranet and Internet
solutions as well as setup and protection of heterogeneous networks.
Professional users get all tools needed for setting up WWW, proxy,
mail, and news servers in Linux. The support of large files up to 4
TByte equips SuSE Linux 7.2 for IA-64 for utilization as server system
for complex database applications."
<snip>
"This release, which comes a mere three months after the release of
the SuSE 7.1 version..."
MS better start cracking the whip if they want to keep up with linux.
:)
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:19:13 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In your example, only two parties are involved. The web page developer
> and the user. The user has the right to change the way they view the web
> page. Even there, I doubt if adding new links would fall under fair use,
> but let's pretend that it does.
>
> In the Smart Tags situation, a third party (Microsoft) changes the way
> you, the user, view the work of the author. By doing so, they are
> infringing on the copyrights of the author.
Baloney, Joe. You clearly have not seen this in action or you wouldn't
be making such ridiculous claims.
Dan
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:21:25 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > No. It had become a moot point anyway... MS says I don't qualify.
> > > > I'll go to Metrowerks compiler. They make compilers for a lot of
> > > > different platforms.
> > >
> > > What do you mean, you don't qualify?
> > > You mean that you can't get the SP?
> >
> > That is correct. They won't give me one.
>
> I understand that you are on 28.8
> I suggest that you would get Go!zilla or download accelerator and download
> it.
> Shouldn't take more than a week, at most. :-)
LOL! My wife would have a fit if I had the internet more than a day to
myself! :-))
--
V
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:23:03 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > You, as a user, have certain rights under the fair use doctrine.
> > > Presumably, looking at the text only, or changing fonts, or similar
> > > things would fall under fair use.
> > >
> > > Microsoft, as a third party, does not have the same rights. They do have
> > > the rights to fair use, but what they're doing would almost certainly
> > > not fall under that doctrine.
> > >
> > > Your analogy stinks.
> >
> > Don't I, as the user, have a right to *want* those smart tags?
>
> You do not have the right to change my intellectual property, unless I
> grant you that right.
Really? So what if turn off your graphics and sounds? Have I
"changed your intellectual property"?
These are all user-level options. I can do whatever I want to the
display of *your* "intellectual property" on *my* computer, and there's
not a damn thing you can do about it.
Dan
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:24:02 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they
> start changing the content, then they should be stopped.
Smart Tags do not change the *content* of pages, either. It just
presents more navigation options to the individual user.
Dan
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:23:01 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Sounds an awful lot like a big FUD compaign. Seeing that all the big
> > companies and Linux are coalescing with UNIX ,.... it should frighten MS
> > real bad to spread this kind of FUD around.
>
> Are you aware that Chad Myers is not MS?
> I'm sure he would like to be, I certainly would, but I seriously doubt he is
> Microsoft. That would require Cat's Paw like world, and I don't think we
> have advance enough cyborgs/AI to do that.
I don't think the works for them either. I wouldn't... the traffic over
there is nothing but gridlock.
--
V
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:23:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Petticord) wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
><snipped reasonable summation of PC history>
>
>> >Sorry, Microsoft *did* some good. They may have a *very* tarnished
>> >reputation now, but that isn't the point of my argument.
>>
>
><snip>
>
>> That is the most that can be said for them. Despite popular opinion,
>> there is no "fine line" between monopolization and competing. There
>> is no legal way to act anti-competitively, and just because it might
>> take twenty years to understand just what the difference is if you
>> aren't watching to begin with doesn't mean it doesn't occur.
>
> There is no legal way to act anti-competitively when you define
> anti-competitive to mean "illegal".
>
Also, you cannot act anti-competitively unless there is already something
to compete with. When M$ first started producing DOS there simply wasn't
anything else apart from CP/M - and that was aimed strictly at the business
market. IBM wanted a disk OS for the "small computer" market so that it
could put a disk drive onto its (provisionally?) cassette tape based XT
series. (I havn't tried this personally, but I am told that if you
disconnect the drives before booting an XT it boots into ROM BASIC with
cassette support - although the necessary hardware may not be present). M$
ROM BASIC gained popularity simply because it ran from ROM. No-one else
bothered with the ROM BASIC market. There were tiny BASICs in ROM (and on
tape) of course, and there were disk-based floating point BASICs, but
virtually no other ROM-based versions. (Apple did their own AFAIK).
In these two instances did M$ have a monopoly or were they just producing
original products? OK, so they guarded the code closely, but so did
everyone else!
--
Mick
Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:25:19 -0700
Craig Gullixson wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Christopher L. Estep wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Sandia has asked Microsoft to port XP Datacenter Server to their
> > supercomputers.
> >
>
> I'm going to have to trade in my hip boots for chest waders ...
> _____________________________________________
> Craig A. Gullixson
> Senior Research Associate INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> National Solar Observatory/Sac. Peak PHONE: (505) 434-7065
> Sunspot, NM 88349 USA FAX: (505) 434-7029
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!! Make sure you put carpetting material on the bottoms
of the boots or you'll slip!! :-))
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V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:26:24 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > I've already tried. Product is too old for them to update and I can't
> > download 175Mb of sp5 down over a 28.8 link. I was even willing to
> > spend a mere $5 on a CD and MS refused because I didn't renew my msdn
> > subscription. I will move over to Metrowerks in due time as its found
> > on a lot of different platforms.
>
> I got as far as https://dm.one.microsoft.com/PIDValidation.asp, as I don't
> have VC installed on this computer.
> Where does it says that you need to have MSDN subscription? It says that you
> would get it already if you've MSDN subscription.
It's ok... problem has already been solved.
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V
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:28:02 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't I, as the web page developer, have the *right* to have my page
> free of smart tags? Why do you insisit on taking away the web page
> author's right to determine what hyperlinks are displayed on his web
> page?
For the same reason we took away the author's right to determine what
fonts and colors are displayed on his web page.
It's *my* computer. How I choose to display your web page is none of
your business. You supply the defaults, I supply the customization.
Dan
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:31:06 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> If I wanted links to send people to differnt places in my page, I would
> provide them. IF I dont, I dont want some third party sending people to
> places I have no control over.
But it's not about you. It's about the *user*. We don't expect you
to anticipate *every* thing that I might be interested in.
>
> I dont control the fonts on my page, within the limits of HTML. You can
> change the font family, perhaps, but generally not the sizing or
> placement. You can turn graphics on and off, but not change them. This
> little ploy of micro$oft's is nothing more than changing other people's
> intellectual property, and the ability to start sending omore and more
> people to more and more micro$oft approved sites.
So Apple, Yahoo, Cisco and the University of Michigan are "Microsoft
approved sites"!!!!
Sigh. You clearly don't understand how these work.
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: 15 Jun 2001 22:32:59 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Todd Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2001, Jon Johansan wrote:
>>
>> > If thats a little rich for your blood, you can get a single S/390 node
>> > running vm/linux (suse, ibm) with all the licensing you need (including
>> > DB2 and software) for right around 600,000 US dollars, not including
>> > shipping and installation.
>>
>> Wow - just what I need to run my Free OS on - what a savings!
>>
>> I would hardly consider IBM to be a "linux related" company. Lets say that
>> IBM is just a company looking to borrow some hype from Linux for the simple
>> reason it's "not-MS" and cause it was easy to port to their already running
>> *nix systems.
>>
> Err, actually, the IBM mainframes were not running unix before,
Not as such, but I am aware of many installations wherein VM is utilized on
IBM mainframes to allow the existance of AIX, etc. Which is also how linux
runs on them.
> the IBM
> line that runs unix is their RS/6000, which runs AIX, and I haven't heard
> of anybody porting linux to that chip. In any case, if somebody had, I
> would hardly call it "easy", it is a totally different architecture, and
> does not have segmented memory, which linux uses for it's own purposes.
There is a MIPS linux, and it was a horrible pain to get ported.....
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:34:02 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> From what I wrote, in test versions now it is on bu default, and will be
> off by default when shipping. micro$oft has lied before. (What an
> understatent.)
No, it's OFF by default. I know because I have it here. I'm not
relying on what others have said - I have actual experience with the
feature. In fact, I didn't even know about it until this thread started
here!
Dan
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:35:06 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2001 13:27:15 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Because you're not intercepting pages, inserting your own links, then
> >> sending them off to millions of users.
> >
> >Neither do Smart Tags. You really should understand this before
> >deciding that's it's evil.
> >
> >I have Windows XP here. It includes IE 6 with the Smart Tags feature.
>
> When was it released? Where can I get it from?
>
You have to be a Beta Tester.
Dan
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:35:19 -0700
Jon Johansan wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> But I'd like to see a claim from you that may question some of MS stuff
> > once in a while to balance out your arguments. Ayende does and I like
> > the balance that he has.
>
> I have never had a problem "questioning" MS "stuff" - I do so at work daily.
> I do not use exclusively MS software nor am I their biggest fan. However, in
> an NT advocacy forum, I tend to (surprise) advocate NT which happens to be
> made by MS so these two tend to go together.
>
> Maybe if you hit a topic about MS I don't like I'll join in... start a
> thread about something we agree MS is stupid about and I'll join in if I
> have something to add. But if the thread is just plain wrong (pro or con)
> I'll say so. I can't imagine there is anything wrong with that. Ask me what
> I think about C# and I'll tell you I think it sucks and that it looks like a
> rip-off of Delphi and be happy to tell you I think MS made a mistake with
> it. Ask me about the web folder traversal patch (first version) or the
> exchange 2000 OWA first (and 2nd) version patches and I'll too join you
> bitching about MSs sometimes lack of QA and testing in their rush to get a
> patch out quickly (probably to address some whinning about taking too long
> to regression test - I would gladly wait for a few more days on a patch so
> long as I knew it would work right, the exposure time is worth the risk of
> something worse from a bad patch).
>
> You are mistaken and underestimate me if you think I blindly worship MS and
> think Gates is god - equally wrong if you believe I think Linus is satan and
> linux is hell. I just call them like I see them, I don't do so blindly.
Thank you. I'll bring up a pertinent issue that I find not to my
liking:
Beta testing by unqualified people.... I have a family friend in Seattle
that is beta testing XP. Her only experience with computers is just
home use, with no computer education in regards to testing software. I
feel that independent testers that are qualified should be doing the
testing to find and report legitimate bugs. I do not believe that
unqualified people can give a good testing of XP or any other large
software package.
--
V
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:00:42 +0200
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> The problem is a general one, it's just another example of you loonies
> blaming MS for a common problem.
>
No, it is not. Linux does not have this problem, WinXP still has
DLL-Hell for linux is just a claim some really dumb wintrolls would make.
And naturally our local SSH-guru, Chad Myers, jerk
Peter
--
The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably
the day they start making vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge
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From: "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:35:50 +0000
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
In article <3b2a59bf$0$1842$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jon Johansan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Obviously LWN has it all wrong as does /. according to you...
>
> but, ok, so that installs gnucash and it's very specific versions of
> libraries. But, um, what happened to your other applications that need
> other very specific versions of those same libraries?
>
They still work since the old libraries still exist. The worst that can
happen is that you didn't get all the dependencies and the new app does
not work. Previously installed apps will be unaffected.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 22:38:00 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:59:20 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ("Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>> >"Macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> >> Furthmore, Microsoft most certainly _did_ make a change. Copyright law
>> >> doesn't care whether you turned the feature on or not. The fact that it
>> >> exists at all is a violation of the author's copyright.
>> >
>> >No, MS gave you the tool to make the change, it didn't make the change.
>>
>> They made the browser that changed the page, without the user
>> intervening.
> Wrong again. You really should understand what you are criticizing.
> You must turn this feature ON. The default is OFF.
You should understand what "beta" means. Defaults in beta software are meaningless
(as we saw with IE 5.5) and can be altered at a moments notice (as we saw with
WinME).
Dicknose.
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: 15 Jun 2001 17:38:01 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No matter how you look at it (if you bother looking rationally), it is a
> big deal.
>
> From a creative author's standpoint, it's very negative since Microsoft
> is changing the content of the site. In fact, to the extent that the
> links are one element of the author's intent, Microsoft is even changing
> the intent of an author's site.
>
> From a practical standpoint, it's negative. Microsoft is now able to
> steer ALL INTERNET USERS to their site -- regardless of what the viewer
> wants.
>
> From a business standpoint, it's negative. It gives Microsoft the
> ability to usurp the web sites of their competitors -- or even companies
> they don't like much.
>
> From an advocacy standpoint, it's negative. Microsoft can effectively
> deface the pages of anyone supporting alternatives to the MS monopoly.
>
> It has a huge number of negatives and few, if any positives.
Relax, Joe. Have you even seen it? You sound *extremely* paranoid
here.
Dan
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:39:12 -0700
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > Well, I use XEmacs, not GNU. What is the explanation for that then?
> > (Demonic infighting comes to mind)
>
> Emacs is Satanic. XEmacs is the product of Beelzebub.
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> (You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
>
> /d{def}def/f{/Times-Roman findfont s scalefont setfont}d/s{10}d/r{roll}d f 5 -1
> r 230 350 moveto 0 1 179{2 1 r dup show 2 1 r 88 rotate 4 mul 0 rmoveto}for/s 15
> d f pop 240 420 moveto 0 1 3 {4 2 1 r sub -1 r show}for showpage
What is wrong with XEmacs or Emacs anyway? just curious.... seems I
missed out on one of these holy wars. :-)
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V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:40:38 -0700
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:40:37 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
> >> >> I have to use windows because of my winmodem. This would never have
> >> >> happened if it wasn't for Microsoft.
> >> >
> >> >You can now get drivers for winmodems for linux. I have an external
> >> >modem that doesn't rob the CPU of its clock cycles. One simple modem
> >> >chip works better than any software and it won't get corrupted by any
> >> >file system accidents either.
> >> >Search the web for winmodem drivers for Linux.
> >>
> >> I have, but it's proving difficult to find anything.
> >
> >Try http://www.linmodems.org/
> >
> >They call 'em linmodems. Maybe you'll find what you're looking for
> >here.
>
> I had a look there, but it's a complete maze. Almost impossible to
> find a modem listed.
Do you know what brand of modem you have? like for instance Lucent?
Let me know and I'll take a look at it for you and let you know.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:42:22 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9gcus9$jc4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <9gcn40$dna$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > >> i dont like teh fact that Unrreal and Quake3 are mostly dependent on
> > >> having a Voodoo type board since it seems like those are the ones that
> > >> utilize OpenGL/Glide the most. I'd say blame there is split between
> > >> Loki and the vid card manufacturers. Loki could have made the games
> > >> less reliant on those libs but the manufactuers could have made their
> > >> boards compatible with the libs as well.
> > >
> > > You could also add Linux to the list, if it want to be used for games,
> > > it should provide an abstraction library.
> >
> > It does: OpenGL.
> >
> > Or are you referring to a more general API?
>
> Something more general, I think.
> How is OpenGL performance when you've a card/driver that doesn't support it,
> btw?
My computer won't even support a lot of games out there as it is.
That's why I don't buy any games. I usually keep my computer for about 5
years before giving it away to charity.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:44:03 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > I so LOVE it when someone claims to have killfiled (or better yet,
> actually
> > > done it) - it is the ultimate proof that that person is not willing to
> > > consider anything but what they believe is true - very blind indeed...
> >
> > Aaron is an exception, though.
>
> I run a google search on the number of people who has him killfiled,
> apperantly over 1000 people did.
> I think it's some sort of a record.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=kulkis&as_oq=killfile%20plonk
Hey... maybe he's running for the Guiness World Record.
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From: macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:46:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In your example, only two parties are involved. The web page developer
> > and the user. The user has the right to change the way they view the web
> > page. Even there, I doubt if adding new links would fall under fair use,
> > but let's pretend that it does.
> >
> > In the Smart Tags situation, a third party (Microsoft) changes the way
> > you, the user, view the work of the author. By doing so, they are
> > infringing on the copyrights of the author.
>
> Baloney, Joe. You clearly have not seen this in action or you wouldn't
> be making such ridiculous claims.
Actually, I have. I'm a beta tester for Windows XP.
Just what part do I have wrong? Nothing.
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From: macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:48:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > PLEASE GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL---No one has ever suggested that
> > it goes through Microsoft's servers.
> >
> > But Microsoft's software does change the structure of the web page by
> > adding hyperlinks that the author never intended. Microsoft is clearly
> > involved.
>
> PLEASE GET THIS THROUGH *YOUR* THICK SKULL--- I can make more
> "structural changes" to a page by changing fonts, colors, turning off
> graphics and sounds. Hell, I can use a text-only browser. Is the
> author of my text-only browser involved in a copyright issue?
NONE of your examples changes the content of the page -- or adds
hyperlinks. This is something new.
And I had to tell you to get it through your thick skull because you
kept pretending that people were saying it went through MS' servers --
even after many people told you no one was making that claim.
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