Linux-Advocacy Digest #330, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 10:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare)
Re: Opera (drsquare)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (Colin Day)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (Colin Day)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Is Linux for me? (Donn Miller)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Colin Day)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Charles Lyttle)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Rich Soyack")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Rich Soyack")
Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" (Bob Hauck)
Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Bob Hauck)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" (Michael Sims)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("JS | PL")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("JS | PL")
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:13:22 +0100
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:35:40 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> ("Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>> >Type doskey at a command prompt.
>>
>> Hmmm... I never knew it could do that. Why isn't it documented?
>
>Probably because it's existed forever. Or at least since DOS 5.0,
1) That's no reason for it not to be documented. In fact, it's a
reason for it to be even more documented.
2) Things like bash have such features built in, and they are well
documented.
>> >> Searching for commands.
>> >
>> >Type Help
>>
>> Bad command or file name.
>>
>Hmm, my apologies, looks like they've removed that.
I could probably get it off the windows disk, but I can't be bothered.
>> >I'm not ranting and raving at all, I'm just saying that using bash is not
>> >convienient for JOe User, who had enough trouble with DOS.
>>
>> I don't see how having command history, aliases, decent prompts,
>> startup scripts etc is LESS convenient.
>
>It's less convienient than a GUI,
We were comparing bash to command.com.
>which is where this originally started.
>If you recall, I said that X was slow on a 486 DX2 50, to which you said,
>why bother using X, use bash, and I said that bash isn't convienient for Joe
>User, although I can figure it out.
It's very convenient. Much more convenient than loaded up a GUI, esp.
for simple things like file manipulation or running services.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:13:23 +0100
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:52:02 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:24 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Name a better browser than Opera.
>>
>> IE 5.0...
>>
>> I don't like MS nor it's tactics any more than any other semi sane
>> person but they make the best browser no contest.
>
>The best browser for Windows, perhaps. But it's not very good on Linux.
The best browser for Windows is Opera, followed by Lynx.
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:24:47 -0400
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > Does Windows have a browser that can run in console/DOS mode? Otherwise,
> > it won't be much help if your video card goes.
>
> On PC hardware, if your Video card goes, you can't boot.
Not even in console mode?
Colin Day
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:26:21 -0400
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:37:51 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
>
> >> >> >Doskey can be loaded.
> >> >>
> >> >> How
> >> >
> >> >Type doskey at a command prompt.
> >>
> >> Hmmm... I never knew it could do that. Why isn't it documented?
> >
> >Actually, if you invoke the DOS prompt from windows, you can have doskey
> >started automatically. I believe it's under Properties
>
> Can I have it loaded optionally in a startup script?
Optionally? I don't know.
Colin Day
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: 17 Jun 2001 13:26:55 GMT
pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Quite so. I have used VB a for a few projects, and while I don't regard
: it very highly I will say this: you get a LOT done in a very short space
: of time without the "scaffolding" needed with other languages. It is
: quick, dirty and sometimes gets the job done better. I would suspect
: that most people who are critical of it have not actually used it or
: used it for what it's best at.
For "quick and dirty" 'Doze stuff VB really isn't half bad.
The problem is that these "quick and dirty" apps sometimes become much
bigger and more important than anyone suspected they ever would, and
neither VB itself, nor the other tools that VB developers depend on
(particularly most .OCX controls), scale very well. Worse, the
designs put together by non-programmers usually are even less scalable
than VB itself. It is almost always faster, easier, and cheaper to
rewrite the resulting mess than to try to fix it.
Joe
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:29:51 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux for me?
"/p@-" wrote:
> IE is the best browser. numbers talk for itself. I used all
> of the browser, and IE is the best of them all.
Actually, Netscape 4.77 seems, to me at least, like it eats up less CPU
and memory than IE. I'm comparing the two browsers on the same platform
(Windows ME). But, overall, I'd say they are comparable (at sucking
balls through straws).
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:38:04 -0400
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Colin Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It _was_ fucked. After the reinstall, I made on large partition now I have
> no
> > > problems.
> > > Deviding a 6GB hard disk into itty-bitty 500MB or less segments seems
> > > retarded.
> > >
> >
> > Not all of the segments would be less than 500MB. /usr would be several
> > gig, / maybe 400MB, /home (depends on the number of users.
>
> Actually, root was like 400, and there were a few others that were <200MB
> which seemed retarded to me. Then, there was the /space partition which
> was the rest of the drive, which was ~4GB. In any event, Netscape saw
> fit to download the Oracle817 server ZIP file to one of the smaller partitions
> on which there wasn't enough space to hold the file. Thanks Netscape!
Odd, Netscape always gives me the opportunity to choose the download
directory. True it starts with some default (usually the user's home
directory), but one can override that. As far as small partitions go,
having a separate /home partition is nice if you have to reinstall the
OS, as you don't have to reformat /home. The same is true of /usr/local
or a data partition. Reinstalling usually requires that / and /usr be
reformatted (at least in my experience), so it's better to have non-OS
stuff on separate partitions. Also, one wants a small / partition to
minimize the probability that it will go bad. If another partition goes
bad, you have the chance to run fsck to fix it.
Colin Day
>
> -c
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:35:49 GMT
Neither the underline nor the popup nor the links in the popup were part
of my original page. IF MS takes my page and modifies it to add content
then republish it with links to their sites or any other sites, I will
take all legal measures open to me.
As a number of Microsoft officials read and post to this group under
pseudonyms this should be sufficient notice.
More formal notice will follow from my attorney.
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <h9QW6.16840$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <VPsW6.15192$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >Well, considering that it doesn't insert a new link into your page,
> then
> > > I
> > > >
> > > > A hyperlink is added to the page. In fact, loads could be. Ones
> which
> > > > were not intended by the original author.
> > >
> > > No, a hyperlink is *NOT* added to the page. Certain words are given
> Smart
> > > Tags, which act entirely differently than hyperlinks.
> >
> > "entirely different"?
> >
> > Nonsense. Absolute, unadulterated nonsense.
> >
> > A hyperlink takes the user to another web page. Smart tags take the user
> > to another web page.
>
> No, the Smart Tag does not take you to another web page. The Smart Tag
> creates a popup, the popup provides hyperlinks which can take you to another
> page. The Smart Tag is what the user sees in the web page, not the popup
> window containing the links.
>
> > They do exactly the same thing, although the actual clicking motion
> > varies slightly.
>
> No, they don't do exactly the same thing. The Smart Tag never takes you to
> another page, ever.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: 17 Jun 2001 08:36:02 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> You clearly don't understand how these work.
Since I use them - and I doubt that you have even seen them - I do
understand.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. You're free to
not use them, and I'm free to continue using them.
Everybody wins!
Dan
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From: "Rich Soyack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:38:36 GMT
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:20:01 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Rich Soyack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:9ggcrt$b56i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> Get real. He said there was no reliable way of telling which specific
sex
> >> acts carried which risks.
> >
> >Really? Methods used to study the transmission of other STDs don't work
> >with AIDS? Why is that?
>
> For a start, AIDS is not an STD.
>
> >> But, whatever the risks are, it's reasonable to assume the more chances
> >you
> >> take, the more likely you are to get AIDS.
> >
> >Which acts carry with it the most chances of getting AIDS?
>
> You can't get infected with AIDS. If you can't understand simple
> things like that, how do you expect to participate in this discussion
> and to be taken seriously?
Do you expect to be taken seriously if you have to fall back on quibbles in
a
discussion? Do you know what commone usage means?
Rich Soyack
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From: "Rich Soyack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:39:56 GMT
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:08:36 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Rich Soyack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >> I do...with WOMEN.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you
know
> >> >your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially?
> >>
> >> Which is also going against all the right-wing idealism he seems to
> >> favour so much.
> >
> >But, drsquare, you just finished telling me that there is no way of
telling
> >what the
> >risk is. Did you find a way between that post and this?
>
> I was saying there was no reliable way of finding out the risks of
> different types of sexual contact. Obviously with multiple partners
> there will be more opportunity of finding an infected partner.
And, obviously if those contacts are of one certain type one can draw
working
conclusions. Didn't you know that?
Rich Soyack
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: 17 Jun 2001 08:40:03 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Relax, Joe. Have you even seen it? You sound *extremely* paranoid
> > here.
>
> I have seen it.
>
> Now. Instead of ad hominem attacks, what part of my objection is
> factually incorrect? NOTHING.
None of it, since none of your objections are "facts". They're all
just paranoia.
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:44:06 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:50:34 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Got a question then: Under Solaris 8 I have gcc and the libs. If the
> lib name is xyz.so.n.n is that a static or shared lib?
Shared. The convention is that .so is shared, .a is static.
> If I have both types and I use the compiler what command line switch is
> there to link to shared libs?
For gcc, shared is normally the default (although it will link static
libraries for which there is no shared version), "gcc -static" will
make it use static linking.
I haven't done any development for Solaris since Solaris 2.6 was new,
so I may not be the best source of current information. I've done stuff
more recently _on_ a Sun box, but targeted to embedded cpu's. Not quite
the same thing.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64?
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:44:07 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:05:30 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, I truly believe that SGI, Sun and SCO are simply making a show of
> supporting Linux, since each of these companies have their own brand of
> Unix, they will support Linux to an extent, but they won't allow it to
> eclipse their primary OS on their own hardware.
SCO does not make hardware and have been bought out by Caldera, so I
think they are probably committed to Linux. SGI is struggling and
cutting out the support overhead of a proprietary OS would seem to make
a lot of sense to me, but then I'm not a high-powered business thinker.
So, of those three, only Sun would be clearly "making a show", and I
think everyone already knows that about them.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: 17 Jun 2001 08:44:03 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Really? Then prove these links dont deface pages, and prove that m$ CANT
> add links to their pages from competitor's pages. prove that m$ wont
> remove the ability to turn smart tags. And, if you dont know that m$
> plays by all the dirty tricks they can muster ,you havent been around
> too long, or you havent been paying attention.
Hmm, prove the negative. Of course.
How could Smart Tags "deface pages"? If a competitor has the word
"Microsoft" on their page then it will activate the Smart Tag. Why is
the competitor talking about Microsoft in the first place?
Again, feel free to not use them.
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Sims)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:34:04 GMT
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:02:52 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Any links or FAQs as to how this works exactly? I'm curious.
>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/techart/dlldanger1.htm
>
>It's not always smart enough to reroute it to different locations,
>but it won't allow the installer to replace a system DLL which is
>probably the biggest reason for DLL Hell-type problems.
Thanks for the link!
=====================================================================
Michael Sims
mhsims at midsouth dot rr dot com
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
=====================================================================
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 17 Jun 2001 08:57:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they
> > > start changing the content, then they should be stopped.
> >
> > Smart Tags do not change the *content* of pages, either. It just
> > presents more navigation options to the individual user.
> >
>
> For a web page, hyperlinks are part of the content.
But Smart Tags are not hyperlinks, are they? They are a locally
generated pop up Window with navigation aids.
If your page already mentions Microsoft (or Apple, Cisco, Yahoo, Sun
etc.) I can already cut and paste the word into a Yahoo search and turn
up pretty much the same links. Smart Tags just save me from having to
cut and paste. That's really all they do. They don't add anything to
the page in question.
IAC, they are an option. Feel free to ignore them, and I will continue
to use them, OK?
Dan
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:02:43 -0400
Dan wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Really? Then prove these links dont deface pages, and prove that m$ CANT
> > add links to their pages from competitor's pages. prove that m$ wont
> > remove the ability to turn smart tags. And, if you dont know that m$
> > plays by all the dirty tricks they can muster ,you havent been around
> > too long, or you havent been paying attention.
>
> Hmm, prove the negative. Of course.
>
I fail to see that you dont address the issue of m$
businees-by-dirty-tricks. Can we asume you just cant answer?
> How could Smart Tags "deface pages"?
It adds a link that wasnt intended by the author.
> If a competitor has the word
> "Microsoft" on their page then it will activate the Smart Tag. Why is
> the competitor talking about Microsoft in the first place?
>
It doesnt matter why the words appears, does it?
> Again, feel free to not use them.
>
Again, feel free to tel me how to block smart tags from either
connecting to my page, o from place links in my page display.
> Dan
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From: "JS | PL" <winxp beta@ home .com>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:57:21 -0400
Reply-To: "JS | PL" <winxp beta@ home .com>
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On 15 Jun 2001 14:04:09 -0500, "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I gave some examples. Tell me ANYTHING about a printed copy that is
> > better
> > > >than the electronic version.
> > >
> > > You don't need electricity to read it.
> > >
> > > And have you ever tried to balance a notebook computer on your lap
> > > while sitting on the toilet?
> >
> > Hi, try doing it when taking a bath.
>
> I'm not so sure I want my floppy drive getting wet.
In a sane world this would be the end of the thread.
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 17 Jun 2001 09:02:11 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> It adds links that I DONT WANT ON MY PAGE. What dont you understand? If
> I want links to GM, Coca-Cola, or the Shah of Iran, I'll put them there.
> If I dont put three, I must not want them there... ON MY PAGE. MY PAGE.
> its not there for microSoft software to change.
> What... dont... you... understand???
What don't *you* understand? When the page is displayed on *my*
computer, I'm free to display it in any way that suits me.
Making navigation easier - to sites that are *already* mentioned on
*your* page, BTW - is all that Smart Tags do. They don't "add"
anything.
Dan
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:05:13 -0400
Dan wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Relax, Joe. Have you even seen it? You sound *extremely* paranoid
> > > here.
> >
> > I have seen it.
> >
> > Now. Instead of ad hominem attacks, what part of my objection is
> > factually incorrect? NOTHING.
>
> None of it, since none of your objections are "facts". They're all
> just paranoia.
>
> Dan
You should get your defintions straight. First, paranoia is a disease.
Objections are not a disease, althogh they may be symptom of one.
Second, inorder to be paranoid, there my be a loss of reality. Since m$
has engaged in derty tricks/illegal activity for years, how is
suspecting them of those very things losing touch with reality?
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:06:39 -0400
Dan wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > You clearly don't understand how these work.
>
> Since I use them - and I doubt that you have even seen them - I do
> understand.
>
> I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. You're free to
> not use them, and I'm free to continue using them.
>
> Everybody wins!
>
> Dan
But, I am not free from you suing them on my page. and since -I- wrote
the html, -I- hold creative use authority. The fact that you DL the
code, and then have your browser display it does not alter this fact.
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From: "JS | PL" <winxp beta@ home .com>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:02:05 -0400
Reply-To: "JS | PL" <winxp beta@ home .com>
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >
> >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you. I'll bring up a pertinent issue that I find not to my
> > > > > liking:
> > > > > Beta testing by unqualified people.... I have a family friend in
> > Seattle
> > > > > that is beta testing XP. Her only experience with computers is
just
> > > > > home use, with no computer education in regards to testing
software.
> > I
> > > > > feel that independent testers that are qualified should be doing
the
> > > > > testing to find and report legitimate bugs. I do not believe that
> > > > > unqualified people can give a good testing of XP or any other
large
> > > > > software package.
> > > >
> > > > I think it's called hall-way testing, the point is to give the
software
> > to
> > > > people that doesn't know much about computers, so they could point
out
> > about
> > > > problems, not bugs, but problems with the UI.
> > > > Like, I couldn't understand how to use feature XXX or YYY.
> > >
> > > I think all they have to do is hand it over to Bill for testing.
> >
> > Believe it or not, but Bill isn't an average user.
> >
> > Beside, you need to have focus groups, Bill is no typical user by no
means
> > (Just how many people do you know that can use a Cray as a desktop
> > machine?).
> Not very many. But I think Bill can quickly criticize the GUI or how
> things work than the average user could. I know what you mean tho, give
> it a real dummy test and if the dummy can use it then it must be good.
> However, I'm looking at other maintenance features that should be
> properly tested to ensure it really works like it is supposed to. I've
> seen software come out of a lab and delivered to a user only to hear the
> user scream "I don't know how to use it!" Then they tell them "well
> re-index your database"... to which "Huh?". Sometimes this happens.
> There are a few areas in windows that could be improved... like the
> smaller fonts that are jagged while the larger fonts are smoothed out.
> Nit picking of course.
Focus groups should all be rounded up and shot. Just my opinion.
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