Linux-Advocacy Digest #332, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (David Fox)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Nik Simpson")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("JS \\ PL")
Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: "Strictly Linux" distributions? (Bob Hauck)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Bob Hauck)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Win/userbase! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Daniel Johnson")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 17 Jun 2001 08:00:49 -0700
How does disk copy account for differences in the installed hardware?
"Ray1234" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Disk copy can do that
>
> "Carlie Coats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9gf4h8$27g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley) writes:
> > :
> > : > On a mac---I couldn't speak about other loser systems---I upgrade the
> OS
> > : > on my machine by installing a new CD, hitting the "go" button, and
> coming
> > : > back twenty minutes later. All done and it just works.
> > : > I can NOT get that same ease of use when I want to upgrade to a new
> > : > computer. In that case I have to spend large amounts of time moving
> > : > material from the old computer to the new---but being careful to
> extract
> > : > only some of the data from these folders into the folders on the new
> > : > machine.
> > :
> > : Actually, I can envision putting together a "one button" hardware
> > : migration application for Linux pretty easily. Just connect the two
> > : machines via ethernet, pop a boot CD into the new machine and power
> > : on, choose the ethernet address of the other machine from a menu,
> > : maybe enter its root password or something, and in ten or fifteen
> > : minutes it clones the other machine's disk onto its own, reboots to
> > : run the hardware configuration script (Kudzu), and (with some luck)
> > : you are done. The components are all there, they just need to be
> > : packaged. This is usually the situation with Linux software, all the
> > : hard parts are there but the easy/boring/tedious part never gets done.
> > : But the commercial distributions are getting on the ball in this
> > : respect.
> > :
> > : I think I'll suggest this to Redhat...
> >
> > It's called "kickstart" and RedHat did in fact come up with it.
> > Itis widely used for making multiple clones of a "starter" machine
> > in corporate environments -- see
> >
> > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/KickStart-HOWTO.html
> >
> > for the docs...
> >
> > -- Carlie Coats
> > NCSC
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 17 Jun 2001 10:03:13 -0500
In article <q7LW6.438$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Cyberbear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan,
> Because you, as the user, can change fonts and colors. For a third party
> to stick its nose in, and do it before it is displayed in the browser is
> intrusive.
In your opinion, which is fine. So you can choose not to use it.
I don't see it that way, so allow me the same luxury of choosing to use
it, OK?
Dan
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 17 Jun 2001 10:08:15 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2001 16:42:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > It's strictly local to the machine viewing the page. The page on the
> >> > server IS NOT CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >>
> >> He never said it was.
> >>
> >> He said the pages are 'intercepted' and changed. Presumably by the
> >> browser.
> >
> >If that were true, then changing the fonts and colors is also
> >"intercepting and changing". Why is no one complaining about that????
>
> BECAUSE CHANGING THE RENDERING OF THE PAGE IS NOT ADDING CONTENT TO
> THE PAGE. WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKED UP THAT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS?????
> IF YOU COME UP WITH SUCH FUCKING IDIOCY ONCE MORE, YOU'RE IN MY
> FUCKING KILLFILE.
OOOHH, I'M SO FUCKING SCARED BY YOUR CAPITAL LETTERS AND BAD LANGUAGE!!!
FUCK!!!!! FUCK!!!! FUCK!!!!!!
Dan
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 17 Jun 2001 10:10:10 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, this is a fascinating study into how some people can so deliberately
> not understand on purpose just to save face.
Yes, it is, isn't it!
>
> Either that or they're indulging in a wind-up.
>
> Or maybe they *are* stupid. It should be obvious to anyone with two grey
> cells to rub together that SmartTags are there to alter content as opposed
> to presentation, and as such are in violation of the web-page author's
> copyright, pure and simple.
Well, if it's so simple, then presumably someone will quickly file a
suit. We'll just have to see.
Meanwhile, I'm continue to use them, OK?
Dan
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:13:34 -0400
"Colin Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>
> > >
> > > Does Windows have a browser that can run in console/DOS mode?
Otherwise,
> > > it won't be much help if your video card goes.
> >
> > On PC hardware, if your Video card goes, you can't boot.
>
> Not even in console mode?
>
Of course not, the graphics card is the thing that's going to display the
console and there is no concept of a serial port login, so no graphics card,
no boot.
--
Nik Simpson
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:42:42 -0400
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:16:16 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >green wrote:
>
> >> > You can't do that, sorry. If you would try to do that, it would fail
and
> >> > complain on being unable to do this due to locked files.
> >> >
> >> correct but you can move enough to cause a failure to load even safe
mode.
> >> and the option is a reinstall. and with persistence you can move all
but a
> >> select few.
> >
> >But the issue here is the upcoming XP. Could one do this on XP as well?
>
> Who cares? Most people won't be able to afford it.
If they're as broke as drsquare
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:43:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Glitch wrote:
>> I concluded that if this is a problem you simply need to run an OS like
>> Linux which is designed to be run safely on the internet. The internet
>> is viewed by the ignorant public at large as a safe electronic medium
>> designed by geniuses for the fast and convienent use of both private
>> citizens and business's for the greater good of the world economy! This
>> view is absolutely WRONG! Exposing a personal computer to the internet
>> is exactly like stripping off naked and having sex with over 1,000,000
>> women in less than an hour and forgetting to put on your personal
>> protection device! The internet is in reality a thilfy dirty slut of a
>> woman who will hurt your machine bad if it's not designed for the
>> experience!
>>
>
>If the women weren't so promiscuous in the first place we wouldn't have
>to worry about anything now would we? The same goes for guys too though.
Nonsense! One of the most respected TO BE PHD's in our group
in chemical weapondry is a woman.
She run's debian.
This isn't a male VS female thing.
Further, females are not dumb asses by definition either.
But nice try WINTROL!
--
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: "Strictly Linux" distributions?
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:44:04 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:35:09 GMT, flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:08:51 GMT, "citizen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I bought two "7.1" Linux RPM-based distributions, both of which
> >use their own, modified versions of the Linux 2.4.2 kernel
> Slackware and possibly SuSE.
Slackware's not RPM-based and ships with a standard kernel.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:44:11 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:13:07 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:14:10 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> How come all the PDF readers seem to be made by Adobe?
> >
> >That isn't even close.
>
> Name some more.
xpdf, ghostscript
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:38:18 -0400
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Rick wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > drsquare wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:39:01 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > > > (Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I do...with WOMEN.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you
> know
> > > > > >your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially?
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is also going against all the right-wing idealism he seems to
> > > > > favour so much.
> > > >
> > > > false premise.
> > > > I'm NOT right wing.
> > > >
> > > > Right wing and Left-wing political views are BOTH a form of SOCIALISM
> > > >
> > > > and...since I'm a libertarian, and libertarians are opposed to
> socialism
> > > > in ALL forms, that means that I am opposed to right-wingers just as
> > > > strongly as left-wingers.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps, you politically illiterate MORON.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > >
> > > I repeat.
> > > Women. Thats plural. Thats multiple sexual partners. Well, did you know
> > > your risk of contracting HIV is increasing exponentially?
> >
> > No, that would be LINEARLY, you idiot.
> >
> > And that's based on the assumption that I engage in the SPECIFIC
> > acts which make one open to infection.
>
> Yeah, Rick, Aaron can't get AIDS though masturbation, even if it's to Blue
> Boy Magazine.
>
Notive how Jet MAKES UP all kinds of details about my life...
I guess it's because she can't attack the REAL me..
> J
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:46:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>
>> Charlie, it's really easy to tell when you're lying. You always give these
>> long drawn out stories in which you insult everyone you talk to, yet they
>> never seem to understand that you are insulting them.
>>
>> If you talked the way you claim you talked to this person in this message,
>> nearly anyone would have either left, or punched you in the face.
>
>You under-estimate the stupidity of the typical LoseDOS luser.
>
Yes Aaron. But we NEVER understimate the stupidity of
the Erik Fuckenbusch.
>
>>
>> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > On a sunny afternoon, I was called upon by a Windows user
>> > to explain exactly how a virus scanner works and why his
>> > virus scanner didn't detect a virus and kill it.
>> >
>> > I explained that a virus scanner for Windows works by
>> > scanning your memory and hard drive for known patterns
>> > of existing viruses and if it finds software which matches
>> > a known pattern it will either eliminate the virus or
>> > alert the operator or both depending on how you have it
>> > set up.
>> >
>> > He then went on to ask the question again, YES BUT WHY
>> > DIDN'T IT STOP MY COMPUTER FROM BEING INFECTED!
>> >
>> > And I re-explained that a virus scanner for Windows works
>> > by scanning your memory and hard drive for KNOWN PATTERNS
>> > of EXISTING VIRUSES and if it finds software which matches
>> > a KNOWN PATTERN it will either eliminate the virus or
>> > alert the operator or both depending on how you have it
>> > set up.
>> >
>> > After hearing this again the man just shook his head and
>> > said "I heard what you said so I'll ask the question again,
>> > WHY DIDN'T MY VIRUS SCANNER KEEP MY MACHINE FROM BEING INFECTED!"
>> >
>> > I responded by saying, "The virus which infected your machine
>> > was obviously not one with a known pattern. It must have
>> > been a NEW VIRUS and not a pre-existing one which the company
>> > who wrote your virus scanning program knew about. So the virus
>> > just slipped thru the system undetected and damanged your setup."
>> >
>> > I proceeded to say "You know a virus scanner will only work in
>> > Windows if the scanner knows what to look for. If you have a
>> > NEW virus then it will not work at all. More importantly,
>> > even if you have a detected virus on your system, the virus
>> > has already infected you and it's too late to do anything
>> > about it. The Virus scanner CAN NOT REPAIR DAMAGE to DAMAGED
>> > SOFTWARE. It can only alert you it happened! That's all it
>> > can do!"
>> >
>> > He then backed up a foot and said, "Who makes the BEST VIRUS
>> > SCANNER then?"
>> >
>> > I told him "you can't buy a good Virus scanner as there is
>> > NO GOOD virus scanner as most all viruses are NEW! That
>> > under Windows relying on a Virus scanner for your security
>> > is not going to work. That as I already explained, even
>> > if it detected a virus it would be too late, the damage is
>> > done. That it's absurd to even run a virus scanner."
>> >
>> > He then told me that this was the second time he reloaded his
>> > machine from the emergency disk and he wanted me to know he
>> > was tired of reloading it and just wanted me to tell him
>> > who made the best Virus scanner. Since I was good with
>> > computers and ran Linux that he was sure I could help him
>> > solve this problem.
>> >
>> > I told him that with Linux or any Unix, executables have
>> > to be declared by the user. That people can't just click
>> > on files and expect them to execute from E-mails. And that
>> > if a user declared a script attachment an executable and
>> > ran that script the most damage he would do to his machine
>> > would be to his local home directory and nothing more.
>> >
>> > I added that with Windows, scripts can be executed by simply
>> > double clicking on them. That there was no safety net to
>> > stop people from executing scripts. And that these scripts
>> > would or could destroy everything on his hard drive as there
>> > is no concept of a home/user area in Windows. So virus scanners
>> > will NOT work and Windows is NOT designed to stop any sort
>> > of damage.
>> >
>> > I concluded that no matter how hard he tried, he would never
>> > be able to make Windows safe to use on the internet.
>> >
>> > That Windows was designed by people who haven't a clue about
>> > security and that Virus Scanners are worthless CPU wasting
>> > piles of crap which while they make the operator feel good,
>> > they do nothing for your safety nor security when operating
>> > Windows.
>> >
>> > I concluded that if this is a problem you simply need to run
>> > an OS like Linux which is designed to be run safely on the
>> > internet. The internet is viewed by the ignorant public
>> > at large as a safe electronic medium designed by geniuses
>> > for the fast and convienent use of both private citizens
>> > and business's for the greater good of the world economy!
>> > This view is absolutely WRONG! Exposing a personal computer
>> > to the internet is exactly like stripping off naked and having
>> > sex with over 1,000,000 women in less than an hour and forgetting
>> > to put on your personal protection device! The internet
>> > is in reality a thilfy dirty slut of a woman who will hurt
>> > your machine bad if it's not designed for the experience!
>> >
>> > Well the man concluded by saying, just give me a couple of
>> > names of virus scanners if you can remember any Charlie.
>> >
>> > I looked at him and said "Forget virus scanners will you!
>> > They will NEVER make your windows powered machine safe! It's
>> > impossible!"
>> >
>> > After six more go arounds the man left saying I think your
>> > right Charlie. I agree with your advice.
>> >
>> > At this time there were other Unix Sysadmins present and listening
>> > to this exchange. The man had gone 6, maybe 7 full rounds with
>> > me and still didn't even bother to listen to the advice he was
>> > asking for!
>> >
>> > I confirmed with the others after the encounter if they hear'd
>> > what was said. I asked can you believe this. The man
>> > asked ME for advice and I gave it to him and he just kept
>> > going on and on like a completely disconnected loonatic!
>> >
>> > I asked the group, "Why do they even bother to ask for advice
>> > if they are not going to take it?" "Why"
>> >
>> > I got a round of laughter from the group on that one.
>> >
>> > This is what happens when you mix high technology, Windows,
>> > and the common man - "Stupidity at the speed of light"
>> >
>> > Linux is the penguin.
>> >
>> > I have concluded that Windows is the TICK! The Colorado
>> > Rocky Mountain spotted Feaver TICK!
>> >
>> > It can't be happy just drinking blood from it's host,
>> > it must piss on the inside of your organization until it
>> > is completely dead!
>> >
>> > And I'd like to note that Windows XP is a classic example
>> > of this with it's encrypted file system. In their childish,
>> > idiotic attempt to address internet security and software
>> > piracy, they have actually managed to come up with a system
>> > which REQUIRES double the horsepower it took to run a NT
>> > box or a Linux box.
>> >
>> > And I'm positive that the stupid public at large will
>> > in the future be asking for advice on the best virus scanner
>> > to run on an encrypted XP file system -- AND -- that these
>> > virus scanners will be selling in the millions and billions
>> > of quantities!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!
>> >
>> > Microsoft has created millions of extremely dangerous
>> > people in American business's. They may have just spelled
>> > an end to our E-business way of life.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Charlie
>> > -------
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Charlie
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:56:55 GMT
"macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <eB0X6.17400$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> But it's very, very relevant to the core issue here.
>
> Even if Smart Tags can contain text or graphics, you have an even
> greater abuse of MS monopoly power. It's just one more way to add
> content to a web site they don't own.
What I don't get is how monopoly power gets into this
debate at all. *Any* browser vendor could have done this,
and I have heard it said that Netscape already has done it-
"monopoly power" is simply not involved at all.
Regardless of whether this feature is infernal or
celestial.
> Call them anything you want. They're adding content to the web page no
> matter what you call them.
IMHO, what people really object to here is not *that*- lots
of other products do much *more* to the content of
web pages, and nobody cares.
What some people here find so opressive is that MS is
improving their products, and this has the potential to
make MS's product even *more* popular, and even
*more* universal.
It's my view that if you are scared of MS's influence,
there are *other* things about SmartTags that should
disturb you far more than this whole "it put a wiggley
underline on my page!" sillyness.
Imagine if you will a web where a significant part
of the functionality available to you is made available
through smart tags- tags provided by many different
vendors, and not Microsoft.
In that web, you'd need Internet Explorer to function.
*That* is the threat an MS-hater should fear, and not
wiggley underlines.
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