Linux-Advocacy Digest #373, Volume #35 Mon, 18 Jun 01 19:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: More microsoft innovation
Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping)
Re: linux will never be popular. ("Interconnect")
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (Mark)
Re: Is Linux for me? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Is Linux for me? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Is Linux for me? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Argh - Ballmer (Steve Mading)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Steve Mading)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Mark)
Re: Here we go again! (Mark)
Re: Is Linux for me? (Mark)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" (Mark)
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:13:03 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> drsquare wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:14:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > (SSunbird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> > >Rich Soyack wrote:
> > >
> > >> Really? Methods used to study the transmission of other STDs don't work
> > >> with AIDS? Why is that?
> > >
> > >what methods are those?
> > >
> > >> Which acts carry with it the most chances of getting AIDS?
> > >
> > >acts of stupidity
> >
> > Well, with statements like that, you must be an absolute AIDS guru.
>
> As having anal sex with a homosexual man:
> a) smart
> B) STUPID
>
IS heterosexual anal sex more or less dangerous than homosexual anal
sex? Why/Why not.
> Is doing illicit intravenous drugs:
> a) smart
> B) STUPID
>
Does using illitcit intravenous drugs spread the HIV virus or does the
sharing of needles?
> no more questions, your honor
>
Nope, we're going to keep asking until you get something right.
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
<large obnoxious, arrogant sig snipped>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64?
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:57:48 -0500
"Linux Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <zOrX6.17566$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Brian Langenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9glgfo$d82$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : What? 1500 apps? That's
> >> it? Most Linux distro's have some 6000+. Of : course most of those
> >> apps are pretty worthless, who needs 200 window : managers?
> >>
> >> I can go to a software store and find 1500 MS-Windows apps that I think
> >> are pretty worthless.
> >>
> >> But you'll have a hard time convincing me that "less apps == better".
> >
> > You are basing your decision of "worthless" as "value to you". My
> > decision of worthless is "value to more than a few people".
>
> Erik, you may want to re read your post here. Still, the fact that an
> application has value to only a few people does not mean it is worthless,
> many applications server very small markets but still have value.
I didn't say it was worthless, I said "pretty worthless", which means having
a small amount of worth, but not enough to really appeal to most. Why do
you keep pretending I am saying something that I am not?
> Still you have not ansered the question put forth in Subject of this
> thread.
>
> "how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64?"
Until it ships, we won't know, now will we?
> Why is it you can not even answer this symple question?
Because it's impossible to answer, much like its impossible to answer how
many IA64 apps will ship with Linux. You can guess, but it won't be
accurate because there are people working on stuff you won't know about.
> You have made it clear that Linux has quite a number of applications
> ready for the IA-64. From some to the most used Internet appliations to
> apps that only a few people may value.
The vast majority of which are apps taht only a few people may value.
> I ask this as a comparison of the 2 OS's status in regards to new
> technology. Copparing the two is quite valid for an advocacy group.
I would imagine that the majority of IA64 apps won't be available until
after .NET ships, which will allow apps to run on IA64 unmodified.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:18:07 GMT
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:59:54 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:30:45 GMT, Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > > Nowhere, these are all my logic assumptions. Perhaps I should have
>stated
>> > > that more clearly. I know almost nothing about the Smart Tags
>technology,
>> > > but I assume, and you have to agree with me I think, that my IE needs
>to
>> > > connect to a MS server to get the information the Smart Tags provide,
>> > > right? It's not logical to assume that all the information is already
>in
>> > > the browser, right?
>> >
>> > Actually, you _seem_ to be wrong. As far as I've heard, the Smart Tags
>> > are there when the browser has shipped. I haven't seen any reports that
>> > the browser updates its smart tags.
>>
>> Surely the SmartTags would have to be updated on a regular basis,
>otherwise
>> they pretty soon become out of date. Plus, of course, Microsoft will be
>> marketing SmartTags to all and sundry; it could prove quite a money
>spinner
>> as corporations try to out SmartTag each other.
>>
>> So they'd need a mechanism for getting them to your browser.
>
>They are unlikely to need to be updated on a regular basis.
>Currently, the MS implementation is for a list of Companies & Universities,
>when it sees a company, (a relatively short list, so far) it offers to send
>you to a site where you can watch info about this company (stocks, news,
>homepage, etc).
And of course, MS will control exactly what list of companies it helps with
their advertisements. No smarttags for competing software I bet.
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From: LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:06:39 GMT
Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:29:16 -0700, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> If you could give some hardware specs, I'm sure we
>> might be able to give you some assistance of some
>> sorts.
>
>AMD Thunderbird 1.33 GHz with a big fat cooler
>Asus A7V133 motherboard *not* overclocked and with all Asus's updates
>256 Mb Pc133 ram
>20Gb UDMA100 hdd
>Nvidia TNT2 video card
>100mbps network card
>Peter
I wanna play!
Duron 850 (retail)
FIC AZ11 (retail)
384 MB PC100 (Kingston ValueRAM)
NIC (LINKSYS)
GeForce2 MX (ASUS)
17" (NEC Accusync 70)
sound card (Turtle Beach)
camera/microphone/speakers, joystick, touchpad (Logitech, Synaptics)
500 VA backup power supply & IsotelUltra8 surge suppressor
(Tripp-Lite)
As little Microsoft software as possible.
LShaping
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From: "Interconnect" <mark###@logichip.com.au>
Subject: Re: linux will never be popular.
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:38:39 +1000
blackpike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Linux comes from an age of IT Profesional walking around great hulking
boxes
> in specially built air conditioned rooms.
>
> Linux is for 2 groups of people :-
>
> 1) Full time fully employed IT professionals who are highly IT literate
> and can spend HOURS every day figuring out how to get it working.
>
> 2) Computer Nerds who want to be in the above group
>
>
> Linux isn't cheap because :-
>
> 1) You have to employ IT proffesional to make it work properly
>
> or
>
> 2) You have to become an IT proffesional yourself which takes years
> thats years you could spend earning money doing the job you already do.
>
> linux is cheap in the same way as going round reclaiming bits of cars
> and building your own car would be cheap in terms of money
> (but what about the time)
>
> Most online tutorials don't work
> I have tried to follow over 15 different tutorials on compiling apache on
linux
> to no avail. You would have thought that one of the most popular
applications
> that Redhat linux is used to run would be easy to compile. Imageine
windows not
> installing office.
>
> Now that Apple computers OS X is basically a Userfriendly version of unix
> linux will be left to full time IT proffesionals. Your average person will
> rather use OS X than Linux.
>
> Most newbies to linux get put off when the tutorials they follow don't
work.
> The only newbies that eventually make it up the near vertical learning
> curve have had to pay in many hours scouring usenet news group for cures
> for the problems linux has.
>
> If I'd spent the time over the last 6 months doing real paid work instead
> of wasting time trying to get a linux box working with apache, Mysql, php4
> I could have bought a fully configured $6000 system form VA Linux.
>
> Linux will only become popular if people can buy fully configured systems
> of the shelf. So that Joe Bloggs Average doesn't have to start compiling
code.
> dealing with 10000's of parameters held in 100's of files scattered around
> the system. It's nearly as bad as Microsoft registry
>
> Windows is for Idiots who are only fit for clicking buttons all day long.
> Linux is for nerds who've forgotten that computers are meant to be their
slaves.
> I want something thats designed for some one with a modicum of inteligence
> but who isn't prepared to spend years becoming a computer GURU.
This post belongs on the alt.linux.sux newsgroup. This is an advocacy
board.
Have a nice day.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:32:00 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:32:00 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)) wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare wrote:
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:46:01 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>
>>>>The linux version just installed and worked, what's more, it contained
>>>>dependency info built it, in case there was a problem, so that it could
>>>>be easily sorted, unlike the mess that was windows.
>>>
>>>"Just installed"? You mean you didn't have to worry about
>>>dependencies, conflicts, libraries etc? You must be using a very
>>>strange distribution.
>>
>>debian.
>
>Surprise surprise, that's what I'm using. I take it you've never had
>to install both xlibs and xlibg6.
I don't generally install libs, I let apt work them out for me.
--
Mark Kent
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux for me?
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:13:28 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ian Pegel
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:03:02 +0100
> <9gir9q$7r0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >
> >> Vi is the only HTML editor anyone ever needs...
> >
> >Come on! I could cut my lawn with a pair of scissors but I choose not to.
> >Just because you can do something the hard way...
>
> Editing a complicated webpage using VI can be characterized as such.
> However, there are other tools available; apart from the move obvious
> ones such as DreamWeaver and Netscape's Composer, one can also pass
> the HTML text through various reformatters, if ones reasonably good
> with Perl. With XHTML one can even pass it through an XML parser
> and do all sorts of manipulations -- however, I don't know offhand how
> many browsers support XHTML. (Of course, it's fairly trivial to
> convert from XHTML to HTML, as far as I know.)
XHTML is a stricter form of HTML, I believe that most browsers shouldn't
have a problem doing it.
And IE (6, and I believe that previous versions as well) comply to XHTML 1.0
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux for me?
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:16:04 +0200
"Ian Pegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9gle5c$767$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Unless he's using crappy MS software to create the webpages which often
> > replace standard ANSI character codes with MS's own codes which screwup
on
> > non-ms browsers. If you write webpages with MS crap it makes them only
> > viewable on MS crap - if you write them with independent software they
> work
> > on all browsers.
>
> In my defence, I have never used MS crap (unless you count the inoffensive
> "notepad") to make web pages.
> But...
> Netscape is a lot more picky about what it will display - a misplaced tag
> will often as not cause the whole page to bomb,
> V4's DOM was a lot less well developed than IE,
> Maybe things have changed with V6.... convince me - I am a recent Linux
> convert - I just don't believe in bashing Bill for the sake of it. (Wrong
> newsgroup, eh?)
NS6 sucks, for various of reasons which I won't mention right now, but AOL
is at least 90% of them.
Mozilla, what it's based on, adhere to the standards religiously, so it
should have a usable DOM.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux for me?
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:17:22 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mozilla has its own problems, like lack of a Java runtime environment.
> (Unless they've fixed that by now. Would be nice if they could
> hook in an existing java into the browser, somewhat like IE.)
>
They did, part of the problems that it had was loading the whole bloody JVM
at startup.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:21:04 +0200
"Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Se�n � Donnchadha wrote:
> >
> > "Peter K�hlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> Why does appfoo break?
> >>
> >
> > Appfoo breaks because it relied on a bug in libfoo-1.1 which was fixed
in
> > libfoo-1.2. And it doesn't even have to be a bug; it could just be some
> > underspecified behavior.
> >
>
> Fine. I like that they fixed the bug.
>
Windows NT SP4 broke a lot of software.
The reason? They fixed a bug in NT that a lot of software relied on that.
"A well-known example of side-effect-induced problems occurred with Service
Pack 4 for Windows NT 4.0. Dozens of customers reported that after
installing SP4 their application produced an access violation caused by
trying to read an invalid memory location. In virtually every case we
investigated, the crashing application was using a memory address that had
been freed or moved by a call to realloc. With previous versions of the heap
manager, programmers were often able to get away with this coding error
without the occurrence of an access violation. With SP4, the bug was quickly
exposed."
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/techart/dlldanger1.htm
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:23:15 +0200
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Explain that to Microsoft then; I've seen MFC42.DLL and the file info
> says it's 'version 5.xxx'.
MFC42.dll (windows 2000, Sp2, IE6 PB) ver - 6.0.8665.0
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:24:54 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> However, I strongly suspect MSFT will go up nicely because of an
> advertising blitz against IBM -- which is promoting Linux, BTW.
> Microsoft is extremely good at marketing. (Either that, or the
> general public is rather poor at distinguishing fact from BS.)
>
Both.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:26:40 +0200
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> >
> >>Improved networking. When copying files from CDROM to the hard disk, I
> >>don't want my download speed to come to a crashing hault.
> >>
> >
> > That doesn't have much to do with networking, I guess. It's to do with
the
> > kernel not handling I/O well enough.
> > It's not supposed to affect the download speed, unless the TCP/IP part
of
> > the kernel has to wait for CPU cycles.
> >
> >
>
>
> Windows 2000 Pro doesn't do it, neither does BSD, IRIX or Solaris, so
> why does Linux suffer from that problem?
Don't ask me. ;-}
Is it the same hardware?
Why don't you turn your answer to someone on comp.os.linux ?
It'll either ignite flames or get you an answer.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:31:57 +0200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:35:39 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >Car is a multi use tool, you drive in it, takes stuff in it, kill with
it,
> >all sorts of things.
>
> No, you use it to DRIVE.
And you use a computer to play with binary data, your point?
> I take it English is not your first language.
No.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:35:29 +0200
"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Peter Seebach wrote:
>
> > I have heard many, many, horror stories about this not working. I've
heard
> > very few stories of Mac disks not booting on different Macs (if they
were
> > at all supported), and none at all about Unixes (once again, if the
hardware
> > was anything like supported). By contrast, people in a nearby thread
were
> > commenting that it's fairly typical to have to reinstall Windows to
change
> > SCSI controllers.
>
> I've experienced this myself. Try doing something like upgrading the mobo
and
> CPU but leaving everything else the same.
Tried that, worked perfectly.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:37:09 +0200
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9gk9qc$jmq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > the what if is a virus gets in to the backup copies of the files and
> > changes
> > > them.
> > > how do you restore?
> >
> > From the CD.
> >
> > > ok I don't really care because I'm sure theres a easy way :)
> >
> > You've to be an administrator to meddle with those dlls, and Windows
would
> > consider those files tainted (ie, wouldn't use them) if they don't have
> > digital signature.
>
> In Win98 or windows in general?
Win2K, I don't like to talk about 9x, it's giving me a rash :-)
ME has the same protection, btw. But without the administrator limitation,
since it's single user.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Date: 18 Jun 2001 22:48:40 GMT
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:40:43
:>Charlie Ebert wrote:
: [...]
:>> If you have a situation where you have some secret government
:>> cyber coding project, you can still GPL this code and not release
:>> it or the binaries to the public.
:>>
:>> I don't think a regular copyright would do any more for
:>> security of secret processes.
:>
:>That is how the gov. keeps secrets... they don't copyright anything that
:>is of value.
: That is how everyone keeps secrets. If something is copyright, it
: should be open to public view.
That is true of patents, but not copyrights.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 18 Jun 2001 22:44:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
:> >
:> > "Jim Polaski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
:> > > wrote:
:> > >
:> > > > http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html
:> > >
:> > > Now if I'm the owner of a website and someone using M$ software comes
:> > > along and alters my site, I should think my lawyer is going to be
:> > > contacting someone about what unauthorized actions they have done. I
:> > > want to think I' see a legal issue here.
:> >
:> > If you consider that HTLM is a very weak page layout format to begin
: with,
:> > you will realize that no two web browsers ever display a page exactly
: the
:> > same, thus *EVERY* web browser alters it to some extent. It's possible
: for
:> > your page to be included in other pages via frames and many other
: things.
:> >
:> > This is the nature of the net. It's also not all that different from
:> > Netscapes "What's related" function. The only difference is that the
: smart
:> > tags appear inline (it doesn't change your actual page, just provides a
: way
:> > to hover over words and get more information).
:>
:> It provides a way for links to be followed from a page that were not
:> intended to be there. If I write a page, I dont want m$ changing it.
: And how is that any different from the links available based on a page from
: the Netscape "What's related" feature?
"What's Related" shows up *differently* than a link. It's obvious that
it's NOT a part of the page. SmartTags look like HTML links, and
therefore anmount to lying about what the author was writing.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:34:16 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:37:25 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)) wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare wrote:
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:57:28 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>
>>>>I'll leave the rest to you. I imagine you'll fail at the next
>>>>keystroke, but it'll be intersting to read the excuse.
>>>
>>>I wil fail, especially as I don't even know any of the technical
>>>details of my modem.
>>
>>You don't need to. Just look in your motherboard book and it'll
>>tell you all you need to know. Books are great.
>
>It's not an onboard modem, so there is nothing about it in the
>motherboard book, and I don't have a book for the modem.
Ah, you have some hardware, you don't know what it is, and
you can't get it to work. Sounds like you have a serious
hardware problem here.
Is it a PCI device? If so, cat /proc/pci will tell you about it.
--
Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Here we go again!
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:36:07 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <9g379r$st8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Battle brews over Linux server share
>> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2772060,00.html
>>
>> A study shows linux actually has only 10% of the server market, in
>> contrast to IDC's figures which show it with 27%.
>>
>> Surprise! Microsoft just happens to be one of the study's sponsors!
>
>Like the last one, which pointed at a real weak point on the kernel?
>You've to understand that MS can't just lie outright.
That's an amazing statement. Why suddenly can't they? they've
been doing it court for god-knows how long.
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Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Is Linux for me?
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:38:18 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:01:33 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Ralph Miguel Froehlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>If you really want to learn about Linux and there is no need to have a
>>system up and running immediately 100% perfectly, give Debian a try.
>>It's not so comfortable with setup- and configuration-assistants like
>>SuSE or Red Hat, but slim, stable and one of the most mature flavour of
>>Linux. Link: www.debian.org
>
>And it's impossible to set up hardware with.
No, I have it working on 386s, 486s, pentium 1 compaqs, toshiba and
dell portables, a couple of sparcs and two duron machines. I have
no hardware problems at all with any of them.
I know that one friend of mine dumped win2k for debian because it
didn't support his hardware.
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Mark Kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:40:37 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:45:08 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>> > but, ok, so that installs gnucash and it's very specific versions of
>>> > libraries. But, um, what happened to your other applications that need
>>> > other very specific versions of those same libraries?
>>>
>>> The other versions are still there. It's called "versioning." It
>>> has worked just fine for a long time how.
>>
>>I can feel my hard disk creaking at the seems with this wonderful new
>>code/space saving device called "versioning"
>>
>>IT SUCKS! You may as well use static compilation and put users out of
>>their misery.
>
>What the fuck? You must have an extremely small hard disk. My 1GB has
>countless libraries on and there's plenty of room. Rather that than to
>have my RAM crunched up.
Yes, but you only have one copy, unlike if things were statically
linked. I think you need to learn about libraries to understand
this thread. The debian manuals have some good info on them.
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Mark Kent
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