Le 5 août 08 à 12:28, Patrick Shirkey a écrit : > On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 13:09 +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote: >> Quoting Patrick Shirkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> Ouch. The blog is just keeping track of recent developments that >>> have >>> been made that use water as a source of fuel. >>> >>> You're right that hydrogen is the actual power source but as >>> hydrogen is >>> very nicely and efficiently compressed into water it make sense >>> to call >>> water a fuel. >>> >>> If you look through the archives you will see that there are people >>> running motors with water. Straight out of a bottle and run >>> through this >>> new circuit that you label childish with enough power to charge a >>> piston >>> and spin a rotor. >> >> What bothered me about these experiments that there was absolutely no >> description of what they were doing. >> >> You've been able to run cars on hydrogen for decades: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfONpsFvyM > > > According to one resource the first ever piston engine was run on > hydrogen as oil hadn't been discovered when it was built back in > the 17 > hundreds. I haven't verified this claim though it does seem plausible. > > There were also perfectly good electric cars manufactured by ford > in the > 1920's that were eventually taken out of production apparently because > there wasn't enough demand. > >> >> "Enough power to charge a piston and spin a rotor"? Where is that >> power >> coming from exactly? If you use water as the fuel, you need an >> alternative >> energy source to extract the oxygen and hydrogen. By the laws of >> thermophysics, you will need _more_ energy to do the extraction >> than what >> you will get from burning the hydrogen (as burning hydrogen is the >> exact >> opposite reaction). >> >> If they would actually be using water as a fuel for an internal >> combustion >> engine - they would have invented a perpetual motion device as >> their exhaust >> would be the same stuff as their fuel. And we all know that's not >> possible, >> right? > > No one is claiming the over unity prize yet. What they have found is a > way to instantly split a water atom and burn the hydrogen at the same > time. It's clearly a very revolutionary concept and appears at first > glance to go against the 2nd law of physics. But there is more to it > than that and the details are only just emerging. However several > people > have claimed they understand what is going on and that it is perfectly > within the laws. I'm not at that point yet but I will make a concerted > effort to understand it so that I can post it on the blog to save > others > some time. > >> >> What they are doing is electric motor conversion using hydrogen as >> a medium >> to use old style engines. I guess that has it's uses. That seems >> to be what >> the company Jack Nicholson was promoting was trying to do. >> > > This is slightly different but along the same lines. In this case > there > is no need to store hydrogen as it can be instantly extracted from > water > using this new circuit. > >>> The people doing the research and experimentation are doing it open >>> source style with limited funding and resources usually in the >>> garage at >>> home. It may look unprofessional at first glance but if you look >>> deeper >>> you will see there is some very professional work being achieved. >> >> Don't get me wrong. I want nothing more than get rid of our >> dependency on >> gasoline and other fossil fuels and have non polluting options. >> >> I'd like more details than videos of bubbling canisters and >> "exposions". >> Open Source means, open source, I just see videos and no >> explanation to what >> they are doing and _how_. Without explanations the videos look >> like playing >> around with dangerous things (electricity, hydrogen) for no good >> reason. >> > > Thanks for this feedback. I will try to provide more details. The blog > is only a couple of weeks old so there is still lots of room for > improvement. > >> The MIT stuff is way cool though. That looks like it could (and >> should) >> change the way we power our lives. But that's using solar energy >> as the >> energy store, using water as a battery and hydrogen as a fuel. >> >> I'll try to stop now. >> >> Sampo "OT" Savolainen > >
"Yet another miracle solution for the energy problem that nodoby ever found before or maybe *they* already found but just kept it secret..." that obviously contradict the " 2nd law of physics."... or maybe even another one?? Are you sure this "stupid" OT discussion should be continued on this list? Stephane _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list [email protected] http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
