On Thu, October 11, 2012 10:00 am, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 10/10/2012 11:00 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> >> On Thu, October 11, 2012 7:25 am, Louigi Verona wrote: >>> @Patrick: >>> >>> "The problem with that approach is that it tends to feed the negative >>> attitude towards Linux and that is exactly what the "competition" >>> want." >>> >>> There is no competition, Patrick. Windows Audio does not compete with >>> Linux Audio. Only if in our minds. And thus they do not want anything. >>> >> >> There are plenty of competitors to Linux Audio as a platform. AVID is >> the >> most obvious competitor. > > that's a bit like saying NASA is competing with the RC model helicopter > community. i'm pretty sure the whole professional *non-embedded* linux > audio market is a fraction of the size of AVID's _marketing_ budget. >
That is simply because the majority of the businesses are not supporting the Linux platform. It has nothing to do with the viability of Linux audio as a platform for serious multimedia production. It's more like comparing NASA with CNSA. One is a bloated organisation that is on it;s last legs that relies on marketing and propaganda to sell it's agenda and the other is a dynamic and productive organisation that is quickly achieving significant results surpassing the technological achievements of the other with very little reliance on marketing or propaganda. > now under the hood, things look quite different, but that doesn't have > much impact on the public opinion towards or perception of linux. > >>> There is no Windows Audio community, there is a Linux Audio community. >>> We try to compete with them. They do not compete with us. >>> >> >> Look at things from a professional business point of view and try again >> please. I'm not talking about Linux Multimedia for amateur users or even >> necessarily for artists/producers. I'm talking about businesses that use >> Linux as their revenue generating platform. > > i'm one such business, and despite my healthy illusions of grandeur i > don't consider myself part of a relevant market for any major equipment > or software manufacturer. > > besides the obvious technical benefits of using linux (for my particular > kind of workflow), the main advantage to me is to be able to _ignore_ > the rat race of the mainstream pro audio software market. > >> Don't you mean that because "insert favorite application/plugin" is not >> ported they will have to learn how to do something differently and that >> is >> too much to ask? > > that's not how marketing works, and that's not how the market works. the > goal is to get kids to buy dsp cards with emulations of old UREIs that > are great for snares and female vocals, and another emulation of an old > fairchild which is great for male voices and kick drums, and the way to > do it is to get fat old mixing gurus to advertise that kind of gear on > youtube. > > the linux community doesn't have those dsp cards to sell, our plugins > don't have the kind of bling, and people who give their stuff away are > less inclined to bullshit kids out of their money. we have a few > limiters with a bunch of parameters that give useful results on all > kinds of program material, all they lack is the instant rocknroll > credibility thing of a fat bearded guy with a metallica t-shirt at a > 96-channel ssl who compares them to his obsolete analog treasures and > praises them to high heaven. > > hence, in my view, the absence of a "market" like this is a good thing. > We can certainly find fat bearded guys with black T-Shirts and a lot of equipment if anyone feels like making those kind of ads. > the only time it hurts is when i cannot get hardware support for gear > that i need. but these days, i can get linux drivers for everything from > 2 to 128 channels of i/o (more if i'm prepared to gang cards), so what's > the problem? > It's not a problem for you or me personally but for business people who are seeking to make a living out of the Linux Audio and multimedia platform getting access to a larger customer base of people who don't have the supported cards is a good thing. > intel and amd thankfully make dsp cards that will also deal with my > email and run my browser (word processing on a sharc, anyone?), and they > are well-supported by linux :) > >>> I like it and I am >>> doing it, >>> but I would not advertise Linux Audio as comparable to Windows Audio >>> since >>> it is >>> simply not true. >>> >> And it's a good thing too. > > here i whole-heartedly agree! > > > > -- > Jörn Nettingsmeier > Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 > > Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio) > Tonmeister VDT > > http://stackingdwarves.net > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev > -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list [email protected] http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
