On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 15:44, Doug Wellington wrote:
> <delurk>
> 
> Most of you don't know me, I'm sure, but I've been working with various forms 
> of Unix since the 80's.  I work as a system adminstrator during the day, 
> where I deal with about 500 computers of various types, from Linux to Solaris 
> to Tru64 to VMS and, yes, Windows.  I'm also a programmer, maintaining 
> various userland applications as well as developing device drivers for the 
> Ensoniq EDS-1000 (PARIS) audio processing card.
> 
> I'm a big believer in freedom of choice - choose the right tool for the right 
> job.  I also believe in accountability - I don't mind paying for something if 
> it means I get some form of customer service in return.  I judge people and 
> companies not just by the initial product they create, but also by how they 
> deal with problems associated with that product.
> 
> I also judge people by their reaction to problems I have in my own work - are 
> they understanding of me as a human being or do they get upset with me when I 
> don't meet their standards (which may or may not be my own standards)?  With 
> that said, one comment has inspired me to don my asbestos and respond to this 
> thread:
> 
> > I think that at some point it has become disrespectful for
> > companies to ignore linux.
> 
> There is a reason that many "self-help" and "management" books say that you 
> have to *earn* respect.  

Ok say you did the drivers, provided support for them, everything went
ok, no ripoffs, say a hundred of sold products as a consequence. After
all that they say "we don't share this information with *anyone*"
If that doesn't ring a bell, then it's not worth to continue with this
discussion.

> People aren't going to do what you want if you beat them up about it.  Look 
> at history 

Why do i have to look at the history if there are numerous cases which
proved that it just works.

Why do you compare this situation where a bunch of people would normally
try to achieve something, which in return would give companies more
customers, which christian clergy which misused every opportunity to
spread their propaganda.  

I deeply feel for those who were brave enough to ignore it and were
prosecuted for it.

> > So i can't really understand people (oss users or even oss
> > developers) who try to defend the position of companies that
> > make their lives harder for no reason.
> 
> But it's OK for you to make those companies' lives harder?

Sorry but i fail to see how.

Marek

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