Microsoft was copying Novell when they created the MCSE and the market for it. Credit where credit is due. Novell was the pioneer, Microsoft, as is usually the case, didn't innovate, they moved in with monopoly money and copied the ideas of the true innovators. As I understand it, its not illegal to have a monopoly, but it is illegal to use that money to take over other industries. After owning the desktop, they took over the server market on the entry level. Fine line there. Thanks for focusing on talent, not paper. Unfortunately, integrators need both, enough paper to bow to the wishes of their manufacturer partners, and the talent to get the job done using the field experience of their talented people who may or may not be certified. Dan Delventhal, CEO CONNECT Computer Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.CONNECTcomputer.com <http://www.CONNECTcomputer.com> ITs Who You're CONNECTed With.. ______________________________________ Networked Solutions Since 1985 -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth J. Lund [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 10:49 AM Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hiring talent and not Certificates.... I have made some rather pointed remarks about recertification and would like to open another thread with a little different twist. All of the Companies that I would want to work for hire "TALENT" not certificates... So a certification really does not hold a lot of water, it is just an indicator of the talented person's commitment to that subject area. Microsoft does not hire MCSE's. Why do you think that is? They hire talent! That is what has created the company today. Agree or not with Microsoft's direction they are still, and will be for a while, the dominating force in the commercial computing world. With the advent of Linux coupled with all the GNU tools, that have been developed over a number of years, we could be entering into another level in computing in the commercial market. Microsoft created the MCSE and the market for it. Do we have to follow suit? Or is their maybe a better, more elegant, solution to hiring talented people? I don't know the answers, but I do know there has to be a better way then "certification" or at least a very different approach to certification. Let me know if I'm just an idealist or if we can actually change and "think outside the box"! -- /> /< Ken Lund (Goomba) |o[\\\\\|(O):::<======================================- \< \> ________________________________________________________________________ This message was sent by the linux-cert-program mailing list. To unsubscribe: echo unsubscribe | mail -s '' [EMAIL PROTECTED]