On 18 Sep 2014, at 12:34 am, Vallevand, Mark K <mark.vallev...@unisys.com> 
wrote:

> Thanks.
> 
> 1. I didn't know about two-node mode.  Thanks.  We are testing with two nodes 
> and "crm configure property no-quorum-policy=ignore".  When one node goes 
> down, the other node continues clustering.  This is the desired behavior.  
> What will <cman two_node="1" expected_votes="1"> </cman> in cluster.conf do?

I was all set to be a smart-ass and say 'man cluster.conf', but the joke is on 
me as my colleagues do not appear to have documented it anywhere.
Chrissie: Can you elaborate on the details here please?

(Short version, it should do what you want)

> 2. Yes, fencing is part of our plan, but not at this time.  In the 
> configurations we are testing, fencing is a RFPITA.
> 3. We could move up.  We like Ubuntu 12.04 LTS because it is Long Term 
> Support.  But, we've upgraded packages as necessary.  So, if we move to the 
> latest stable Pacemaker, Cman and Corosync (and others?), how could this help?

Well you might get 3+ years of bug fixes and performance improvements :-)

> 
> Is there a way to get the clustering software to 'poll' faster?  I mean, this 
> NIC stalling at boot time only lasts about 2 seconds beyond the start of 
> corosync.  But, its 30 more seconds before the nodes see each other.  I see 
> lots of parameters in the totem directive that seem interesting.  Would any 
> of them be appropriate.

Is there not a way to tell upstart not to start the cluster until the network 
is up?

> 
> Andrew: Thanks for the prompt response.
> 
> 
> Regards.
> Mark K Vallevand
> 
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> Subject: Re: [Linux-cluster] Cman (and corosync) starting before network 
> interface is ready
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> On 17 Sep 2014, at 7:20 am, Vallevand, Mark K <mark.vallev...@unisys.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> It looks like there is some odd delay in getting a network interface up and 
>> ready.  So, when cman starts corosync, it can't get to the cluster.  So, for 
>> a time, the node is a member of a cluster-of-one.  The cluster-of-one begins 
>> starting resources.
> 
> 1. enable two-node mode in cluster.conf (man page should indicate where/how) 
> then disable no-quorum-policy=ignore
> 2. configure fencing
> 3. find a newer version of pacemaker, we're up to .12 now
> 
>> A few seconds later, when the interface finally is up and ready, it takes 
>> about 30 more seconds for the cluster-of-one to finally rejoin the larger 
>> cluster.  The doubly-started resources are sorted out and all ends up OK.
>> 
>> Now, this is not a good thing to have these particular resources running 
>> twice.  I'd really like the clustering software to behave better.  But, I'm 
>> not sure what 'behave better' would be.
>> 
>> Is it possible to introduce a delay into cman or corosync startup?  Is that 
>> even wise?
>> Is there a parameter to get the clustering software to poll more often when 
>> it can't rejoin the cluster?
>> 
>> Any suggestions would be welcome.
>> 
>> Running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.  Pacemaker 1.1.6.  Cman 3.1.7.  Corosync 1.4.2.
>> 
>> Regards. 
>> Mark K Vallevand
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>> went."
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