Linux-Development-Sys Digest #312, Volume #6 Wed, 20 Jan 99 20:14:31 EST
Contents:
Re: - deprecated - why? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: disheartened gnome developer ("Bob Taylor")
Re: disheartened gnome developer (jedi)
Re: disheartened gnome developer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Serial device: How I program one? (Sangohn Christian)
Re: Will 2.2.x support removable medias better? (Tony Hoyle)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Oleg Letsinsky)
Re: 2038 and Linux (Glen Turner)
File table overflow (Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6mer?=)
Re: Who gives a shit (Oleg Letsinsky)
Re: SysV vs. BSD ps Re: - deprecated - why? (Andreas Schwab)
sleep() or nanosleep() in module (Zahnd Beat)
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: - deprecated - why?
Date: 14 Jan 1999 15:00:40 -0500
Steve Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jan-Frode Myklebust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : On 13 Jan 1999 21:50:27 -0800, Edward A. Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : RTFM:
>
> : For now, ps will give you a warning if you use a `-' for a
> : short option, but it will still work. If you have shell
> : scripts which use BSD-style arguments to ps, take heed of
> : the warning and fix them, or else your scripts will fail
> : to function correctly at some point in the future. If you
> : want to turn off the warnings, set the I_WANT_A_BROKEN_PS
> : environment variable.
>
> This doesn't answer the question, WHY?! But other posts on this thread
> (and it's sister on c.o.l.dev.apps) explain it - that SysV has got the
> bigger mouth so it is shouting the loudest and we will all have to put up
> with its ps one day.
i think the idea is to have *both* sysv *and* bsd behavior.
ps <options...> would be bsd (note that ps does not require a minus
sign anyway)
ps -<options...> would give sysv behavior.
people with scripts developed on sysv machines have more trouble
sorting the options and rearranging parsers than bsd people have in
simply removing a gratuitous minus sign.
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johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Bob Taylor")
Subject: Re: disheartened gnome developer
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:00:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>>>>>> "Christopher" == Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Christopher> On 18 Jan 1999 12:27:54 GMT, Richard Kulisz
> Christopher> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> If you help run a stock exchange then you're establishing a
> >> slave auction where whole corporations sell themselves into
> >> bondage to distant investors. No, that is not communistic. It
> >> doesn't help the community either.
>
> Christopher> Should I interpret that as indicating that you
> Christopher> consider free markets to be a bad thing?
>
> Yes. And there is no such thing as a "free market" in the real world.
Please define what *you* mean by "free market".
> There are two types of government interference in the market. The
> much-praised-by-conservatives type that typified the late 19th Century
> United States, in which the government acted as the strong arm for
> business; shooting and imprisoning labor activists, and using
> legislation to promote business enterprises without regard to the
> impact on the general society. In the United States, this position
> directly descended from the Founding Fathers.
I'm a conservative for many more years than you have existed. None of my
Conservative friends/aquaintences believe in nor advocate such things.
I am frankly *tired* of pseudo intellectuals mouthing hackneyd propaganda
phrases.
FYI, the labor troubles you refer to was based largely on fear. Some of
the "labor activists" were known and admitted Communists. This is the
basis of businesses "fear". The violence that ensued by *both sides* is
deplorable. It seems that business has long departed from its violence
but the labor unions haven't.
> And then there is the much-condemned-by-conservatives type that
> typified the so-called Progressive Era and the period roughly
> 1960-1975, in which the US government attempted to act as protector of
> individuals and society as a whole instead of merely the 1%'ers.
>
> There's no inbetween. Choose your side.
How about the Truth?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: disheartened gnome developer
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:47:14 -0800
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:17:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:52:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>posted:
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> >>
>> >> > Red Hat does own software, unlike Jedi said, and they could
>> >> > rerelease that software in a proprietary manner if they wanted (but
>> >> > they won�t), and Troll Tech is the only company I know that has
>> >> > taken measures to guarantee it wont do such a thing (Even if some
>> >> > believe those measures wont be effective).
>> >>
>> >> I think there are important differences between the way Red Hat and
>> >> Troll Tech try to do business with regard to the licenses.
>> >
>> >Yes. My point was more in the line of "Troll Tech can't get any worse" while
>> >"Red Hat probably won't but could".
>>
>> Red Hat theoretically could, but since it would have such adverse results,
>> it is reasonable to treat it as if it can't happen.
>
>If Red Hat ever issues a IPO (is that the word for the stock going public?)
>then it may very well happen. After all, a public company has a legal duty
>to do whatever improves the value of stock. Going proprietary may be seen as
>such a thing.
>
>In fact, stockholders could sue Red Hat for *not* going proprietary.
>
>Once again, I say this not because I believe it will happen, just to show that
>things are not so black and white.
Then and only then would Redhat at that point become dangerous
and comparable to Troll. Redhat isn't the one releasing private
property to be built over by freeloaders. That would make a
future predicament they might cause considerably different. Whereas
Troll already represents your worst case scenario for Redhat already.
>
>> And until that much-sought-for "QPL" license arrangement gets finalized, it
>> is *not* true that "Troll Tech can't get any worse."
>
>It *is* true, because for Troll Tech to change their license they need my
>vote, or Matthias Hoelzer's, and they ain't getting them if the new license
>is going to be worse.
It's still their property. They can do anything they like with it.
That's been the catch from day one...
>
>Of course you need not believe me, but I know my intentions, and I can make
>a very educated guess on Matthias' so I can say that with a straight face :-)
Whereas anything that Redhat has coded so far can and will
be ours now and for perpetuity.
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is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: disheartened gnome developer
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:46:58 GMT
In article <7826vk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Navindra Umanee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, an organization that insists that you assign copyright of the
> code back to the FSF before said code gets integrated back into
> something like, say, Emacs. An organization that refuses GPL'ed code
> copyrighted by Sun so that we end up with XEmacs. FSF ain't so cool
> either, if you ask me.
Irrelevent. Under the GPL you can fork/modify/redistribute the code any time
you want.
> [That being said, GCC, Emacs,... rock. As does Qt.]
>
> > Redhat has put out more lines of code under GPL/LGPL than Troll Tech has
> > put out total. AFIAC, Troll Tech is cheesey.
>
> What a ridiculous statement. Oh btw, if you use Mozilla you are
> enhancing the value of Netscape. But I'm sure you're using a GPL'ed
> browser like Lynx as all good little boys should.
Irrelevent. I don't use Mozzilla as a library for any application development.
And you can fork/modify Mozzila
> >>> And I can't help but notice that on freshmeat I see so many
> >>
> >>[asimov] [/home/navindra] host -t any freshmeat.net
> >>freshmeat.net NS NS.REDHAT.COM
> >>freshmeat.net NS SPEEDY.REDHAT.COM
>
> I just couldn't help "notice" this fact either. Didn't even comment it.
Oh! A conspiracy.
> [undeniably, there are many GTK apps]
>
> Oh, I wonder if the FSF will ask that the Gimp ToolKit be renamed to
> the GNU ToolKit.
Doesn't matter. You can always fork the code and name your forked version what
you want. And what did you thing think the G in gimp stood for?
But You cannot fork/modify Qt at this time.
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From: Sangohn Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Serial device: How I program one?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:05:01 GMT
Sorry! The commands I meant were of course
"cat < /dev/ttyS0"
and
"cat < /dev/ttyS0 > testfile 2>$1"
Sangohn Christian wrote:
> Hello and happy new year 1999 to everyone out there!
>
> I�d like to use a small graphic tablet (modell "EasyPen" from
> Genius-KYE) in Linux. It has to attached to a serial port (on my machine
> it is /dev/ttyS0) and can also be used as a two button mouse.
> Under Win95 when the driver is installed and activated, a small LED
> twinkles and the tip of the pen is slightly above the tablet working
> area, it shines continuously and moving the the tip of the pen slightly
> above or on the tablet working area make the mouse pointer on the screen
> to move accordingly.
> The only thing I�ve achieved till now ;-) is to make the LED twinkle by
> typing the following : cat /dev/ttyS0 .But after a time the command
> exits on its own.
> When I do a "cat /dev/ttyS0 > testfile 2>$1", I can see some weord
> output in testfile that I can�t understand nor read.
> My questions are: how do I activated the device, read datas from it and
> interpret these datas so I can transform them in screen events like
> mouse move, right or left click aso, aso ...
> I�d be grateful for _ANY_ HELP and _ANY_ SUGGESTIONS.
>
> Once again, all of you a happy new year 1999
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Hoyle)
Subject: Re: Will 2.2.x support removable medias better?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:36:45 GMT
On 19 Jan 1999 14:11:28 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake)
wrote:
>Autofs will not allow a removable media to be removed if there
>is a process accessing that device.
Just compile the CDROM driver with NO_DOOR_LOCKING set if you
want that. However this is not a good thing. If there is a process
accessing a device there is a resaon for it, and simply allowing a
user to remove an active device is a source of many potential
problems.
Win98 simply bluescreens in this instance, anyway, which is hardly an
optimal solution! You really want the kernel developers to implement
something like that?
Tony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oleg Letsinsky)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:34:50 GMT
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:51:05 +0100, Arturo Garcia Ares
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Yes, but that's just better content; Windows help system IS MUCH
>better than man: not only better looking, but also better indexed and
>organized. If the bash man page were implemented as winhelp, we all
>would learn a lot more about bash.
>
>I use Linux, anyway .... ;-)
Heh... All you need is a better man page viewer :-) Try TkMan or FMan.
Personally I prefer FMan cause it doen't require patching TCL/Tk
libraries or other weird things - it uses fltk (so it's fast), looks
nice and very convinient. The only thing it lacks (compared to TkMan)
- full text search, but this is what helptool is for.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:27:42 +1030
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.software.year-2000
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
[Trimmed newsgroups]
Christopher B. Browne wrote:
> It is still necessary to make source code changes to cope with this. It's
> obviously necessary to specify the new form of time_t.
No, time_t just becomes 64 bits. There is a problem with current
ANSI C code that does
unsigned long u;
time_t t;
assert(t > (time_t)0);
u = (unsigned long)t;
This usually happens when trying to print a time_t value and
is one of the major changes from ANSI C to C9X.
This is more a C9X issue than a 2038 issue.
> Furthermore, it will be necessary either to add to ext2fs some sort of
> "date signature" so that the date format may be detected,
This is the function of the volume label. On some filesystems it
contains useful stuff like byte orderings as well.
--
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Tel: (08) 8303 3936 Information Technology Services
Fax: (08) 8303 4400 The University of Adelaide 5005
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] South Australia
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From: Ulrich =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6mer?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: File table overflow
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:58:57 -0700
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Hallo,
I have a problem with apache under linux 2.0.36.
The apache crashs with the message:
file table overflow
in the handbook of apache stands, that this is an resource-problem
of linux.
Does someone know what to do in thuch a moment.
Thanks
Ulrich
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oleg Letsinsky)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Who gives a shit
Date: 21 Jan 1999 03:37:12 +0300
"al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> why bother telling everyone about it don't waste your time just get on with
> it.You may actually achieve something instead of a pathetic flame war
>
> >Heh... All you need is a better man page viewer :-) Try TkMan or FMan.
> >Personally I prefer FMan cause it doen't require patching TCL/Tk
> >libraries or other weird things - it uses fltk (so it's fast), looks
> >nice and very convinient. The only thing it lacks (compared to TkMan)
> >- full text search, but this is what helptool is for.
Hm... I just wanted to help him :-) And sometimes one just can't resist :)
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From: Andreas Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SysV vs. BSD ps Re: - deprecated - why?
Date: 20 Jan 1999 12:53:21 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Hannigan) writes:
|> In article <781gok$elu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marc Slemko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> >In <77u4f8$1es$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Hannigan)
|writes:
|> >
|> >>In article <77ljr0$5sm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marc Slemko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> >>>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J.
|Lee) writes:
|> >>>
|> >>>>On Solaris, use /usr/ucb/ps to get BSD ps behavior.
|> >>>
|> >>>...and the sad part is, that /usr/ucb/ps is the _only_ way to do certain
|> >>>things on Solaris, ie. /usr/bin/ps can't do them.
|> >
|> >>Can you be more precise? What exactly can't you get?
|> >
|> >The most important for me is the 'w' flag, or 'ww', etc.
|>
|> Yep, I can see that.
|>
|> In return, I'll tell you what I like about sysv ps. The
|> -p option to specify a pid, the -u option to specify a user
|> and the fact that the everything option (-e) really does
|> give you everything, in contrast to the BSD ps which gives
|> your everything but 'interesting processes' and processes with
|> controlling terminals (can't remember which).
`ps ax' gives you everything, too. On the other hand, BSD ps by default
gives you all your processes (that have a controlling tty at all), whereas
SYSV ps only gives you the processes on the current controlling tty. If
you want all your processes you have to explicitly add `-u $(whoami)'
which is a nuisance, especially if all your interesting processes have a
different controlling tty.
Btw, man ps on Solaris says:
-A Write information for all processes.
[...]
-e Print information about every process now
running.
Now tell me, what's the difference between -A and -e?
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From: Zahnd Beat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sleep() or nanosleep() in module
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:12:25 +0100
Hello
I've tried to use sleep() and nanosleep() in a kernelmodule. The module
compiles wihout any problems, but when I try to load it (with modprobe
or insmod) he complains that he could not reference the funktion (sleep
or nanosleep).
This module is a Realtime-Task for the Realtime-Extension from
http://rtlinux.cs.nmt.edu/~rtlinux/homepage.shtml
Whats the appropriate function to suspend the module for ~0.5 secs.
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