Linux-Development-Sys Digest #351, Volume #6 Sat, 30 Jan 99 22:14:52 EST
Contents:
Re: IPMasquerading / SSH (Kenneth Crudup)
Off topic in all groups Was: Re: disheartened gnome developer (John Hasler)
Re: disheartened gnome developer ("Bob Taylor")
Notif-0.1 (Joseph H Allen)
/dev/lp? with 2.2.1? (jacques)
Re: trying to write a module which uses parallel port, but inb( port ) (Sebastian
Kuzminsky)
RPC NIS ypbind problem... (YANG Tong)
Compiling APUE source code on Linux (Lakshmi Natarajan)
Re: -fno-strength-reduce? (was: Re: glibc-performance) (Remco Treffkorn)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Melancon)
Debugger ? (Kintug)
glibc-crypt-2.0.112 somewhere ? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: -fno-strength-reduce? (was: Re: glibc-performance) (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: glibc-performance (Nathan Myers)
Re: COM for Linux? (Nathan Myers)
password validation (Nicholas Todd Lawrence)
Re: help!!! On reinstalling Red Hat (Frank Hale)
Re: Notif-0.1 (Frank Hale)
How do I get Samba working (Josh Klein)
glibc-performance (Horst Piening)
Re: Linux For PDAs (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Peter Samuelson)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Peter Samuelson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: IPMasquerading / SSH
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:05:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nelson Minar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> says:
>In Linux 2.2, this is all different.
Yes, and now having gotten a cable modem, I'd like to use the ipchains that
comes with the 2.1 kernel (.131) I'm using, but I haven't seen anything
in src/linux/Documentation/networking even approaching a FAQ.
Where do I find info on the new interfaces?
-Kenny
--
Kenneth R. Crudup, Unix Software Consultant, Scott County Consulting
8811 Colesville Rd., #509 Silver Spring, MD 20910 (301)-562-1922
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Newly released from hell, my life begins anew
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Off topic in all groups Was: Re: disheartened gnome developer
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:19:31 GMT
jedi writes:
> The USSR was state capitalism...
The USSR was not capitalism in any way shape or form. It was an ordinary
oppressive and corrupt government.
> ...brought about to help further the eventual development of a truely
> communist state.
Brought about to help the rulers arrogate all power and property to
themselves.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Bob Taylor")
Subject: Re: disheartened gnome developer
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:00:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi) writes:
[snip]
> The USSR was state capitalism brought about to help
> further the eventual development of a truely communist
> state.
How many members of the USSR held stock in this "state capitalism"? What
idiot PhD thought *this one* up?
Note followup.
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| Like the ad says, at 300 dpi you can tell she's wearing a |
| swimsuit. At 600 dpi you can tell it's wet. At 1200 dpi you |
| can tell it's painted on. I suppose at 2400 dpi you can tell |
| if the paint is giving her a rash. (So says Joshua R. Poulson)|
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joseph H Allen)
Subject: Notif-0.1
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:33:30 GMT
I have been working on a new freeware widget library for X/Linux. If you
are unsatisfied with Qt, Lesstif, Tk and GTK, try Notif!
ftp://virek.vwis.com/pub/jhallen/notif-0.1.tar.Z.
Notif is written in C, but uses C-preprocessor tricks to make C into an
object oriented language. It should in theory be easy to translate the
source almost mechanically into C++, but I'm more interested in a C widget
library for now.
Currently, it is under the Gnu copyleft, but if this is really a problem, I
might be willing to use something else (something like the Berkeley license,
perhaps).
I have used this widget library for the user interface of a database (a
shipping system, actually) and for an embedded Linux application using
a Dynapro touch-screen instead of a mouse/keyboard. Let me know if you want
code to interface to the Dynapro touch-panel.
Anyway, I'm curious if there is any interest in this project now that Gtk is
out there. Let me know what you think.
Notif features:
- Notif has documentation in the form of ascii .man files.
- 3d Motif-like border effects
- drawing is always (0,0) relative, even where there are borders
- any widget can contain other widgets. There is a powerful placement
manager for controlling the position of widgets.
- Notif has scalable icons with bezier curves.
- any widget can scroll- you do not have to use a special widget for
scrolling.
- notif understands multi-key sequence bindings
- Notif has: cascading menus, buttons, toggle button, radio buttons, index
tab selector thingy, scroll bars, balloon help, drag & drop, lists, and
text edit fields.
- I'm satisfied with the low level works on the widgets, but notif needs
more high-level widgets like a file selector, paned windows and option
buttons.
- Notif does not use messy variable length argument lists for parameter
settings.
Hello world for notif looks like this:
#include <stdio.h>
#include "../notif/notif.h"
int quit(stat,b) /* Quit callback function */
Button *b;
{
if(!stat)
exit(0);
return stat;
}
main()
{
Button *mainw;
izws(); /* Initialize notif */
mainw=mk(Button); /* Create a button */
sttext(mainw,"Hello, world!"); /* Create a text widget and add it
to the button */
stfn(mainw,fn1(quit,mainw)); /* Set the callback function */
add(root,mainw); /* Add to root window */
for(;;) ws(), serv(); /* Process events */
}
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/* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (192.74.137.5) */ /* Joseph H. Allen */
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From: jacques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: /dev/lp? with 2.2.1?
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:08:37 -0800
Hi There,
has anybody figured out how to restore printing
after upgrading to 2.2.1. I know that lp1 moved to
lp0 however cat into either devices dosn't work.
Thakx.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sebastian Kuzminsky)
Subject: Re: trying to write a module which uses parallel port, but inb( port )
Date: 30 Jan 1999 00:09:49 GMT
Olof Wolgast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
] I got my hands on a module which is supposed to create a link to your
] texas-calculator using the parallel port.
If you can use Linux 2.2, your driver problems are solved, you just need
to write the higher-level logic in user space.
The parallel port subsystem underwent big changes during 2.1, and the
system that was produced is very flexible and easy to use, both from
within the kernel and from user space. It's called parport, the web
page is at:
http://www.cyberelk.demon.co.uk/parport.html
Down near the bottom is a link to ppuser, the new user-space interface
to the parallel port. With ppuser you can set things up so you read
and write a device file to read and write data over the parallel port.
You can also access the Status and Control lines, using ioctls. All the
hassle and all the device-driver code is done for you.
Sebastian, happy parport user
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From: YANG Tong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RPC NIS ypbind problem...
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:02:35 +0000
I enable the system services :
- ypserv
- ypbind
- yppasswd
But I have some messages like :
===============================
Jan 30 23:45:34 licorne inetd[192]: pmap_set: 100068 3 17 1025:
Connection refused
Jan 30 23:45:34 licorne inetd[192]: pmap_set: 100068 4 17 1025:
Connection refused
Jan 30 23:45:34 licorne inetd[192]: pmap_set: 100068 5 17 1025:
Connection refused
Jan 30 23:45:34 licorne inetd[192]: pmap_set: 100083 1 6 1024:
Connection refused
Jan 30 23:45:34 licorne ypbind[274]: unable to register (YPBINDPROG,
YPBINDVERS, udp). : Connection refused
and like :
==========
Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection
refused
What does it means ? Which files I must configure ?
Thanks.
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From: Lakshmi Natarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.questions,
Subject: Compiling APUE source code on Linux
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:36:34 -0500
Hi,
Has anyone compiled the source code from Richard Stevens' "Advanced
Programming in the Unix Environment" on Linux? I am trying to do it on
my RedHat Linux 3.0.30 system, but cannot.
If I include the Make.defines for svr4 in the Make file, it complains it
can't find stropts.h (which I believe is STREAM operations -- perhaps
svr4 specific). If I use either sun or bsd Make.defines, the error is
that there is no "sun_len" member in the sockaddr_un structure.
Could anybody help?
Thanks,
Lakshmi Natarajan
(replies to my email also would be appreciated -- [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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# but through all of them. #
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From: Remco Treffkorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: -fno-strength-reduce? (was: Re: glibc-performance)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:34:22 -0800
Martin Dickopp wrote:
> > compile the libraries with ...
> > -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -march=i686 -mcpu=i686 -malign-loops=2 \
> > -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -fno-strength-reduce
> > ...
>
> Out of curiosity, what's the benefit of the `-fno-strength-reduce'
> flag here?
None, AFAIK. It is just an artifact from the old 486 times.
Gcc had a bug in the 486 optimizer, the workaround was to
use -fno-strength-reduce.
I think, it can be safely removed for a fraction more speed.
--
Remco Treffkorn (RT445)
HAM DC2XT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (831) 685-1201
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (831) 461-6061
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (831) 461-0500
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From: Melancon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:39:21 -0600
> we are talking about new users comming to use Linux for first time, and
> suggesting simple things, like adding examples in man pages, to help them
> in the process.
I have to agree. I have taught myself to program in half a dozen
languages. I have taught myself the ins and outs of as many hardwaree platforms
and OSes. Yet I also found the Un*x "find" command bewildering based on the man
page alone. I always thought it would be nice to have a "example" command to
work hand in hand with "apropos" and "man".
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:28:12 -0800
From: Kintug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Debugger ?
Greetings,
Could anyone recommend good assembler-level debugger (x86) for
Linux/FreeBSD? Something like adb would rock.
Dmitri
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: glibc-crypt-2.0.112 somewhere ?
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:41:28 GMT
Hello,
well, glibc-2.0.112 is out 8) ... but no glibc-crypt-2.0.112 on the
any mirror I know of 8-( so installing the test library is a bit
complicated. 2.0.8 seems to be the latest anyway (at least on the
alpha ftp site) and since I am outside of the US ...
Juergen
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\ Phone Private : +44 181-332 0750 \ /
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: -fno-strength-reduce? (was: Re: glibc-performance)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:41:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Remco Treffkorn wrote:
>Martin Dickopp wrote:
>> > compile the libraries with ...
>> > -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -march=i686 -mcpu=i686 -malign-loops=2 \
>> > -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -fno-strength-reduce
>> > ...
>>
>> Out of curiosity, what's the benefit of the `-fno-strength-reduce'
>> flag here?
>
>None, AFAIK. It is just an artifact from the old 486 times.
>Gcc had a bug in the 486 optimizer, the workaround was to
>use -fno-strength-reduce.
>I think, it can be safely removed for a fraction more speed.
... somewhat smaller binaries and, at times, somewhat more correct
code; just had a bug report for gcc-2.8.1 and since egcs-1.1.1
showed the same behaviour with -fstrength-reduce I am inclined
to use it. For the "fraction of speed" ... forget it on Intel
machines.
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Myers)
Subject: Re: glibc-performance
Date: 30 Jan 1999 14:12:19 -0800
Horst Piening<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Because of the new kernel i started updating my system to glibc2.06pre7:
>got new binutils, gettext, texinfo ..
>installed gcc 2.8.1 [...]
Don't use gcc-2.8.x. Egcs is the maintained branch.
--
Nathan Myers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cantrip.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Myers)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: COM for Linux?
Date: 30 Jan 1999 14:06:13 -0800
Aaron Perrin<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know if a Component Object Model (COM) port is available
>for linux?
A final note: http://www.quoininc.com/quoininc/COM_CORBA.html
--
Nathan Myers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cantrip.org/
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From: Nicholas Todd Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: password validation
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:37:33 -0600
I trying to write an application (using GNU C++) on a linux machine that
needs to check the password file to validate a user's login ID. The
problem with this I'm only a ordinary user, and the system uses a shadowed
password file.
Does anyone know of C function/library routine that I can use to check the
entered password against the encrypted password? Since my plan is to run
this from a web browser I can't use an interactive script to do the job
for me.
Thanks
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help!!! On reinstalling Red Hat
Date: 31 Jan 1999 01:46:04 GMT
Scott MacDonald wrote:
>
> Hi, I have a linux box someone gave me with red hat 5.1. He says he doesn't
> remember the password(yeah right,) so I need to reinstall(I have a red hat
> cd). Well, can someone tell me the best way to reformat the hardrive and
> reinstall linux clean? I have the cd, but no boot floppy disk. When I try to
> boot to Win98 floppy disk, it doesn't even see it, and lilo does its thing.
> Can I copy fdisk from redhat cd to a floppy and use it if I can get the box
> to boot to floppy before it goes to the hardrive? Any help would be greatly
> appreciated because I can' t get pass this login prompt! thanks!
>
> Scott
Use DOS to create the boot floppy, everything is on the RH cd. Then just
install it. When you go to setup the partitions after that it will ask
you what you need to format. You don't need to reformat the drive before
you install you can do that when you install it.
--
From: Frank Hale
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 7205161
Website: http://www.franksstuff.com/
"I say line-ux you say lynn-ux,
whats the difference? Its still better than windows"
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Notif-0.1
Date: 31 Jan 1999 01:49:17 GMT
Joseph H Allen wrote:
>
> I have been working on a new freeware widget library for X/Linux. If you
> are unsatisfied with Qt, Lesstif, Tk and GTK, try Notif!
>
> ftp://virek.vwis.com/pub/jhallen/notif-0.1.tar.Z.
>
> Notif is written in C, but uses C-preprocessor tricks to make C into an
> object oriented language. It should in theory be easy to translate the
> source almost mechanically into C++, but I'm more interested in a C widget
> library for now.
>
I Sure would like try this. Ooh too bad its a dead link. Go
figure.......
--
From: Frank Hale
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 7205161
Website: http://www.franksstuff.com/
"I say line-ux you say lynn-ux,
whats the difference? Its still better than windows"
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From: Josh Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do I get Samba working
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 03:37:25 -0500
I'm on a network where most of the computers are running some sort of
Windows Networking/shared files. I know I can connect to them via Samba
can someone tell me how?
Thanks.
Josh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Horst Piening)
Subject: glibc-performance
Date: 30 Jan 1999 11:34:57 GMT
because of the new kernel i started updating my system to glibc2.06pre7:
got new binutils, gettext, texinfo ..
installed gcc 2.8.1 and made the glibc ( with --disable-profile ! )
gcc -v:
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/2.8.1/specs
gcc version 2.8.1
ldd ./rayn
libmm.so => ./libmm.so
libobj.so => ./libobj.so
libea.so => ./libea.so
libtree.so => ./libtree.so
libtex.so => ./libtex.so
libtest.so => ./libtest.so
liball.so => ./liball.so
libm.so.6 => /usr/i586-linuxglibc2/lib/libm.so.6
libc.so.6 => /usr/i586-linuxglibc2/lib/libc.so.6
ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2
ldd ./rayn
libmm.so => ./libmm.so
libobj.so => ./libobj.so
libea.so => ./libea.so
libtree.so => ./libtree.so
libtex.so => ./libtex.so
libtest.so => ./libtest.so
liball.so => ./liball.so
libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.6
libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.4.7
** with gcc 2.8.1 , glibc2.06pre7 : 181.10 user 0.19 system 3:13.16elapsed
93%CPU
** with gcc 2.8.1 , libc.so.5 : 150.2 sec
when i ran my raytracer for time testing the new glibc stuff was
15 % slower than before.
what did i overlook, i expectet a time increase ?
horst
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Linux For PDAs
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:24:44 GMT
On 30 Jan 1999 05:27:56 +0000, Nix <$}xin{[email protected]> posted:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne) writes:
>
>> iii) Vendors are probably under nondisclosure to Microsoft, so there's no
>> assistance in getting a boot/load process going.
>
>!?!?!!
>
>You mean that vendors are willing to sign a nondisclosure agreement
>which says `I will not tell anyone else how my own system boots'?
>
>Normally nondisclosure agreementa say something about your not
>discussing knowledge you have gained from the other party, not about
>your not passing on your own knowledge to others (if you see what I
>mean. Er. That wasn't exactly clear...)
It often enough goes in other directions than one would expect.
Look at how Toshiba has apparently started putting stickers on the
bags around laptops indicating that opening the bag indicates
acceptance of *Microsoft's* EULA license.
If asked by Microsoft to do something, vendors have to think hard
about whether to disagree and risk trouble.
Consider WinPrinters. Consider WinModems. These are both cases where
the products come from other than MSFT. And they have been entirely
obstinate in their refusal to release specifications...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: 30 Jan 1999 20:32:23 -0600
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> Beg to differ. You also not thinking here.
OK, can we call a stalemate on who is or is not thinking here now?
It's a nice flamewar but I think it's been done already.
> An example helps one UNDERSTAND. this is something you or les dont
> seem to understand.
There are places for examples. But they will not solve The
Documentation Problem. Problem being, broadly, that lots of people
complain that Unix is too hard to use.
[me]
> > For those who cannot do what I did, and I know some people can,
> > there are intro-to-Unix books. These always have plenty of
> > examples.
> my, a typical Unix arrogance.
>
> "I learned Linux the hard way, and so should you".
More like: "There are resources besides manual pages which are more
tutorial-oriented, and there is nothing wrong with these." I didn't
need those resources, mostly. Others might. This fact (*by itself*)
does not justify trying to fold those resources into manual pages.
> This in addition to some amazingly false logic you show, where you
> are telling uses to go pay $$ for books with examples to learn Unix
> where one can simply add examples to man pages.
Let me clarify. When I said "books", please interpret that to include
online tutorials and resources as well. If those are deficient, then
perhaps that is where any effort needs to be focused, rather than on
"improving" online manual pages.
But in any case, there are those for whom `man foo' will never cut it;
they need something more step-by-step, as it were. Dressing up `man
foo' to meet this need is not productive.
> You seem to indicate that examples are good since you are telling
> people to go spend $$ to buy books with examples.
Oh, yes; examples have their place. Said place is what is currently in
dispute. My position is that examples are most helpful in the context
of a tutorial, not in the context of a reference. Making man pages
into tutorials is IMHO out of the question. Providing a tutorial in
addition to the manpage is a useful line of thought.
In the case where there is an obvious Most Common Two Things to do with
a command, it can make sense to outline these with an example in the
main manpage. However, this usually isn't an issue: commands that have
an obvious Most Common Two Things are usually structured so as to make
this usage fairly obvious. For example (!), the `gzip' command
certainly has an obvious "most common use": to compress a file. But
notice that this does not need a printed example: `gzip filename'
should be more or less self-evident, and if not, `gzip --help' should
be more than clear.
Something like `ls', on the other hand, can list files in so many
different ways that there is no "obvious" usage, other than perhaps
plain `ls dirname' which is, again, self-evident.
> > But there are many users who will not read man pages, examples or
> > no examples.
> How do you know? was have not yet tried man pages with examples.
Some pages do have examples. But there are users who will not look to
see. The manpage format itself is intimidating, since it really is
mostly a reference.
> > They have no interest in learning something new, they want the
> > system to be intuitive enough that they don't have to learn
> > anything. No command line is going to ever be there. Ever.
> Sure. You are the only one who is smart and want to learn, and every
> one else is dumb and do not want to learn.
One, it's not about smart and dumb, and two, I did not make those
absolute statements. I never said "everyone else" anything. But I
stand by my assertion that *there exist users* who have no interest in
actually learning beyond what to type on one command line.
> > > Maybe one day the Unix programmers will wake up before it is too
> > > late.
> > Now this sentence makes absolutely no sense. Too late for what?
> Well, think about it more.
Can you just explain it? I still do not understand. The statement
implies that something is going to happen, something irreversible,
which our "waking up", as it were, will somehow prevent.
So what is it? What catastrophe must we avert by "waking up"?
One interpretation is that you are predicting some sort of widespread
rejection of Unix or Linux. If that is it, the evidence of the trend
you have spotted has completely escaped me. (Maybe it is not "too
late" yet?) In fact as I see it Linux is on the *upswing* in terms of
users. Is this going to change soon? (Is the Windoze 2000 release the
"too late" you refer to?)
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: 30 Jan 1999 20:42:50 -0600
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> My goal in life is to go through all the man pages and rewrite them
> into something vaguely resembling english.
Out of curiosity, how many have you completed?
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
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