Linux-Development-Sys Digest #423, Volume #6 Tue, 23 Feb 99 03:14:07 EST
Contents:
Re: LINUX MERCED (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Linux programming jobs? (Rich)
banshee problems ("Pascal")
Re: Display/APM problem on Toshiba laptop (Tony Lill)
Re: Disable CTL-Chars (^C) in shells script? (M Sweger)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (jedi)
Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows (Emile van Bergen)
Re: Shared library problems/curiosities (Jaakko Paakkonen)
Re: Apache and persistent CGI programs????? (Milan Durovic)
Re: How to put Linux in suspend mode? (Chris Galicia)
Re: AGP display card ("Dscrambler")
Linux Threads use of SIGUSR1, SIGUSR2 (Jim Cromie)
Re: How to I make a Screenshot in X. ("Peter David Cupit")
Re: How to I make a Screenshot in X. (Adam P. Jenkins)
Problems compiling linux-2.2.2 (Friedhelm Hinrichs)
compile problem bind-8.1.2 for Linux 2.2.1 & glibc2.1 (Remco van den Berg)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LINUX MERCED
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:43:27 GMT
On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:53:58 -0700, Stan Brubaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
posted:
>Does anybody know of any plans for Linux to support the Merced chip that's
>due out in 2001?
And due in 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, and even 1995, depending on which of
Intel's press releases you prefer to believe. (Obviously the ones dated
before 1999 have proven to be false press releases...)
See <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linuxarch.html#LINUXMERCED> for my take on
it, including references (perhaps dead, haven't checked lately) to URLs to
the various dates suggested above.
It seems unlikely that IA-64 (the name of the architecture, as opposed to
the code name of one particular generation) will be of any importance any
time soon.
I saw a Gartner Group research paper a while back indicating:
"A high-volume market for IA-64 systems will not develop before 2003 (0.8
probability). More than 80 percent of 32-bit applications will perform at
least as well or better on high-end IA-32 systems compared to initial IA-64
systems (except in applications running on a 64-bit database in the same
server) through the 2002 time frame (0.7 probability)."
The fact that there will only be one source for IA-64 CPUs (e.g. Intel)
whereas there are a goodly half dozen vendors hawking IA-32 CPUs is also
likely to hinder adoption.
In short, I suggest that you not hold your breath...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linuxarch.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Linux programming jobs?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:13:17 GMT
On 21 Feb 1999 10:34:17 -0800, David T. Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Some people call it a high cost of living. Other call it a
>high standard of living.
>
>The difference in pay for a programmer, and the extremely high
>demand, in the Bay Area far outweigh the increased cost of
>living. $1200/mo for rent is a pretty nice 1 BR apartment
>in the city. That is $14,400 per year, or a pay increase of
>$7.70/hour for a 2000 hour work year.
>
Thank you for proving my point. :-) Your "pretty nice 1BR
apartment in the city" is just about twice my mortgage for
a 1500sqft. 3BR house in an extremely nice neighborhood,
with a 1/2 acre lot, minutes away from everything from world-class
theatre to more high-tech jobs than you can shake a stick at.
As for your calculations - you forgot the high cost of eating,
owning an automobile, not to mention the disadvantages of living in
the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. ( Although, admittedly, they
have come down from the clouds a bit in the past few years. )
- Rich
--
Rich Mulvey
http://mulvey.dyndns.com
Amateur Radio: aa2ys@wb2wxq.#wny.ny.usa
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From: "Pascal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: banshee problems
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:17:07 -0500
I dunno how to configure my banshee to the linux xwindows please help.
I am a new linux user so I don't realy know how to do it hehe.
reply if you can to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
thanks a lot
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,linux.dev.laptop,linux.dev.kernel
Subject: Re: Display/APM problem on Toshiba laptop
From: Tony Lill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:50:36 GMT
WhiteWulf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Check you BIOS settings. I think you press ESC when the computer is
> booting.
> Then when it stops press F1. At least that works for my Toshiba 4000
> CDS.
> Maybe windoze changed the BIOS settings without telling you.
> I am running Redhat 5.2 GNU/Linux. APM, screen blanking, harddisk
> powerdown,
> mouse/keyboard powerup all work perfectly.
Seems unlikely, booting 2.0.35 works. I may try a BIOS upgrade.
--
Tony Lill, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
President, A. J. Lill Consultants fax/data (519) 650 3571
539 Grand Valley Dr., Cambridge, Ont. N3H 2S2 (519) 241 2461
=============== http://www.ajlc.waterloo.on.ca/ ================
"Welcome to All Things UNIX, where if it's not UNIX, it's CRAP!"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Sweger)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Disable CTL-Chars (^C) in shells script?
Date: 21 Feb 1999 19:47:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
M Sweger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: M Sweger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: : Hi,
: : Can anybody tell me if it is possible to disable the ^C/^S/^Q/^Y etc
: : in a shell script? I'm trying to write a shell script that is a user menu
: : drive script and would like to for the user to exit the program correctly and no
:force their way out by doing a ^C command.
: : Thanks. WHat would the command sequence look like?
: : Can this be done for all shell language types, ie. Bourne, Csh,tchs,ksh,...
: : --
: : Mike,
: : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: --
: Mike,
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Mike,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:35:23 -0800
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:41:57 GMT, Sniper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:56:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>On 11 Feb 1999 18:07:12 -0800, o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r
>>. u s (david parsons) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <z%st2.374$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>Paul E. Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>You can get all the Unix utilities and even run a Korn shell in NT by using
>snip
[deletia]
>>I have linux servers that havent ben touched/rebooted in months
>>happily doing their jobs as web server/file servers etc. ( even had a
>>quake server for a while)
>>
>>
>
>Its horses for courses, do you propose that in an enviroment, where
>everyone is working on laptops, and documents have to be submitted in
>as word files, that linux is king ?
As an artificial constraint, that certainly does not
necessarily rule out Linux or even Be for workstations.
Nevermind that with VBA and a single NT box that really
shouldn't be a problem anyways.
>
>As for sitting running on a 486 with 24 megs of memory as a
>firewall/NNTP/SMTP server, then yes ! But NT can do that as well, may
>not quite as well, but definately easier to set up out of the box.
NT wont even do ALL of that out of the box.
It certainly won't be easier dealing with
any of that on a mere 486 with NT4.
Lack of CALS you may or may not be paying
(piracy perhaps?) could likely make any
'difficulties' well worth it in the end.
That, and Linux would do with with 8 megs
and perhaps even an 386. You could give
some poor desktop user that 24M.
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why I'm dumping Linux, going back to Windblows
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:43:23 +0100
jedi wrote:
> >As for sitting running on a 486 with 24 megs of memory as a
> >firewall/NNTP/SMTP server, then yes ! But NT can do that as well, may
> >not quite as well, but definately easier to set up out of the box.
>
[SNIP]
>
> That, and Linux would do with with 8 megs
> and perhaps even an 386. You could give
> some poor desktop user that 24M.
This is becoming kind of a c.o.l.a thread, but OK, I'll play along:
I run a 486DX/40 with 8Mb that is a:
* ISDN & Cable router
* Firewall & NAT
* Webserver
* DNS server
* Mail server (SMTP/POP3/IMAP4)
* NFS server
* SMB server
All 'out of the box'. Uptime record (broken due to hardware maintenance)
is 107 days.
Oh, and my desktop has a mere 32Mb to run X, Netscape, Staroffice (which
imports Word '97 documents correctly, has a HTML WYSIWYG editor,
spreadsheet, Planner; the personal edition is free, BTW), and does quite
some gcc work.
Vmstat on both machines don't ever show 'swapped pages per second' above
zero for longer than a second (and it occurs rarely), so I notice no
sluggishness due to swapping.
I don't even _want_ to say, try that with NT. I think I don't need to.
--
M.vr.gr. / Best regards,
Emile van Bergen (e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
This e-mail message is 100% electronically degradeable and produced
on a GNU/Linux system.
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From: Jaakko Paakkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shared library problems/curiosities
Date: 21 Feb 1999 21:01:12 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Dowling) writes:
> Problem:
>
> Suddenly netscape stopped working :-). The reason was that it could not find
> the X11 shared libraries.
> Every other X11 binary finds the shared libraries, just not netscape. I
> avoid this multi-megabyte bug monster as much as possible, so I cannot say
> exactly when it ceased to work, but my guess is when I updated from
> xfree-3.3.3 to xfree-3.3.3.1. Anyway, I now cannot induce it to work.
> Any help/suggestions is/are much appreciated.
me too.
I also upgraded my xwindows to XFree-3.3.3.1 ( and gcc 2.7.2 to egcs 1.1.1 and
libc 5.4.46 to glibc 2.0.6) to notice the same effect.
Could ld.so be broke ? Although ldconfig finds the right libraries, atleast
they are in /etc/ld.so.cache.
Jaakko P��kk�nen
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From: Milan Durovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache and persistent CGI programs?????
Date: 23 Feb 1999 14:32:35 +0000
Have a look at FAST CGI. I don't know if this had become a standard
since the last time I looked at it. It works like this: it creates a
few permanent processes, as specified in the web server's config file,
which handle particular CGI requests. This occurs at the startup of
the web server. So, you avoid an overhead of process creation for each
request + you can maintain whatever state you want in those processes.
Regards,
Milan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Galicia)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: How to put Linux in suspend mode?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 04:55:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:57:33 +0300, Tim Isaev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>In Windows 95/98 there is a possibility to put PC into suspend mode.
>Is it possible in Linux? I was looking through megabites of docs
>but haven't found anything about it. I'll appreciate any help.
>Timur Isaev
A) you need to have apm compiled into the kernel ( /proc/apm should exist)
B) you should have the apmd package. if you have it the command `apm -s`
will suspend.
apmd is available at
ftp://ftp.cs.unc.edu/pub/users/faith/unix/apmd-2.4.tar.gz
or through your friendly neighborhood distro package depot.
HTH
Chris
--
FizzyPop at usa dot net .
Pop, Pop, Fizz, Fizz, O! what a relief it is!
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From: "Dscrambler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AGP display card
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:48:09 -0500
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,hk.comp.os.linux
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From: Jim Cromie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Threads use of SIGUSR1, SIGUSR2
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 06:23:08 +0000
Hi,
LinuxThreads are Light Wieght Processes, (actually, Linus calls them
COEs, Contexts Of Exectution,
to distinguish them from sSn LWPs, which apparently arent as slick).
For Some Reason though,...
The threads (processes) in a task use SIGUSR1, SIGUSR2 to 'communicate'.
Does anyone know why sysV IPC (semaphores, shared-memory, queues) wasnt
used ?
To this uninformed observer, any of them seem to afford a richer
protocol in which to pass
info between threads.
SysV IPC is there; semget, shmget, msgget are all implemented.
Portability ? Presumably a non-issue because sysV is in Linux
No need for fancy Communications ? what exactly is signalled, and when,
and why 2 signals ?
Speed? Signals are historically un-reliable, I kinda thought this
meant that they were slow too.
And why does dedicating a separate thread for signal handling make
signals reliable ?
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From: "Peter David Cupit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to I make a Screenshot in X.
Date: 23 Feb 1999 06:11:22 GMT
Use xgrabsc, this outputs in postscript and other formats.
Robert Acklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<sjJz2.101$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
> How to I make a Screenshot in X.
>
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Subject: Re: How to I make a Screenshot in X.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam P. Jenkins)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 01:51:55 -0500
"Peter David Cupit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Use xgrabsc, this outputs in postscript and other formats.
>
> Robert Acklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
> <sjJz2.101$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >
> > How to I make a Screenshot in X.
I've never heard of xgrabsc, I don't think it comes standard with most
distributions. xwd (short for X Window dump) however is a standard
program on all distributions.
xwd -root -out screenshot.xwd
will dump an image of your whole X screen to screenshot.xwd. Or just
xwd -out screenshot.xwd
will wait for you to click in a window of some program, and then save
an image of just that window.
You can use XV or ImageMagick to convert .xwd files to other formats.
XV also has the ability to do screendumps.
--
Adam P. Jenkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Friedhelm Hinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems compiling linux-2.2.2
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 06:53:53 +0000
Compiling the new kernel 2.2.2 ended with the following messages (I hope
this does make sense to somebody):
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -malign-loops=2
-malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586 -c -o loopback.o
loopback.c
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h: In function `sk_filter':
In file included from loopback.c:51:
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h:796: dereferencing pointer to
incomplete type
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h:796: dereferencing pointer to
incomplete type
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h:796: warning: passing arg 1 of
`sk_run_filter' from incompatible pointer type
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h:796: too few arguments to function
`sk_run_filter'
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h: In function `sk_filter_release':
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h:807: warning: implicit declaration of
function `sk_filter_len'
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h:811: dereferencing pointer to
incomplete type
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h: In function `sk_filter_charge':
/usr/src/linux/include/net/sock.h:817: dereferencing pointer to
incomplete type
make[3]: *** [loopback.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2/drivers/net'
make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2/drivers/net'
make[1]: *** [_subdir_net] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2/drivers'
make: *** [_dir_drivers] Error 2
--
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:09:41 +0100
From: Remco van den Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: compile problem bind-8.1.2 for Linux 2.2.1 & glibc2.1
Is there somebody around having a patch for bind-8.1.2 ?
I'm having problems compiling it under Linux 2.2.1 and glibc2.1.
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/Network/bind-8.1.2/lib/isc'
gcc -O -g -I../../port/linux/include -I../../include -c eventlib.c
eventlib.c: In function `__evGetNext':
eventlib.c:293: structure has no member named `fds_bits'
eventlib.c:294: structure has no member named `fds_bits'
eventlib.c:295: structure has no member named `fds_bits'
Problem seems to be that the structure fd_set doesn't have a
member fds_bits. Even #defining __USE_XOPEN doesn't help.
Somebody any suggestions or a patch?
Thanks,
-Remco van den Berg
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