Linux-Development-Sys Digest #442, Volume #6 Mon, 1 Mar 99 19:14:21 EST
Contents:
Re: Some notes on glibc-2.1 and egcs-1.1.1 (Preston F. Crow)
Re: SMP Support (Adam P. Jenkins)
Re: Sockets & C++ (Aki M Laukkanen)
Color depth in AIX (David L. Bilbey)
Re: Making a distro (Tristan Wibberley)
Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* an iMac (Pablo)
Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath! ("Jim H.")
Re: LINUX MERCED (Johan Kullstam)
Help!!! ("Alex")
Re: USB support (Ronald Cole)
Re: scsiinfo: defective list not more than 512 entries (Dieter Rohlfing)
Re: PROOF: Blondes love iMacs (Pablo)
Re: Some notes on glibc-2.1 and egcs-1.1.1 (Jonathan Stott)
Re: Looking for a local (Melbourne, Australia) developer to write small application
("M. Wimmer")
Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath! (Mitch Fellator)
Re: LINUX MERCED (Christopher Browne)
Version 2.2.2 loses IP Masquerading ? ("Zefram Cochrane")
Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath! ("Oh ! James")
Re: SMP Support (Peter Humphrey)
Re: Tape still not working with ncr53c8xx driver? (Ronald Cole)
Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath! ("Jim H.")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Preston F. Crow)
Subject: Re: Some notes on glibc-2.1 and egcs-1.1.1
Date: 1 Mar 1999 15:28:05 GMT
I've had trouble compiling glibc-2.1 also.
I'm running 2.2.2ac5 with the latest libc5.
I don't have the system handy, so I can't give the exact details, but
this is roughly what my problems were:
First, I tried to compile with pgcc. This failed in compiling
time/something.c with a complaint about spilling BX and a note that
this may be a compiler bug or illegal inline assembly. Manually
recompiling that file without optimizations corrected the problem.
Second, I tried to compile with egcs (I installed the latest release
from source), and it didn't complain about that file in time/, so I
assume it is a bug in pgcc (I may be a few months behind on pgcc
versions).
I ran make check on both versions (pgcc and egcs-built libraries), and
both of them failed in the posix directory on something related to
glob.
Conclusions:
1. glibc2.1 is a good test for new compilers. It may be on par with
kernel builds for such uses.
2. pgcc, at least the verion I have, is buggy. The web site has a
newer version for glibc2.0 if you want binaries. If you need libc5
pgcc, you should probably build it from sources instead of using an
older binary.
3. glibc2.1 has some glob bugs. It isn't clear if this is just a bug
in `make check` or something in the actual library. There may be some
non-political reasons to wait for the FSF to release 2.1.1 (which
presumably with either not have the advertising clause in BSD licenses
or will compile with gcc, depending on who you listen to; if the
latter, it could easily be released along with a new less-buggy gcc).
--PC
--
Archamedes Plutonium: I make this biological speculation that the
source of my supergenius is that there is a Pu atom located in my
brain, the focus of my mind.
The movie "Prince of Darkness:" You will not be saved by the god plutonium!
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Subject: Re: SMP Support
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam P. Jenkins)
Date: 01 Mar 1999 14:35:11 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Humphrey) writes:
> I don't know what the effect would be of compiling a kernel
> version earlier than 2.2 using 'MAKE="make -j8" make <target>', but
> on my 2.2.1 dual PII box with lots of RAM the total time to build
> the kernel is at least halved. The total system load as shown by
> Xosview goes up to about 24! (I think there may be something wrong
> with its algorithm :-( .) I used 8 as (1 plus) the number of
> parallel processes after the system ran out of memory when run with
> no restriction.
There is no point in running more parallel make processes than the
number of processors you have, so unless you really have 8 processors,
you'd actually be better off running less. It actually slows things
down to have so many processes contending for access to resources such
as the disk. On a two processor system I found that running make -j 2
nearly halved kernel compile-time, but increasing it beyond that
didn't help at all.
--
Adam P. Jenkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aki M Laukkanen)
Subject: Re: Sockets & C++
Date: 1 Mar 1999 18:20:35 GMT
In article <7bdvir$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>annoying compilation warning I get. Seems like C++ doesn't really like the
>'struct sockaddr_in'-structure, which apparently has some padding (empty)
>at the end. How can I remove the warning below? I try to put pride in
It's not empty padding but rather a GCC extension and the compiler is
correct in complaining about it.
>/usr/include/socketbits.h:173: warning: ANSI C++ forbids zero-size array
You didn't include details of your compiler and libc version but I gather
this must be libc5. Atleast I don't have this file on glibc 2.1. Easy fix
would be to upgrade to atleast glibc 2.0.x which should not use these
kinds of tricks.
--
D.
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From: David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Color depth in AIX
Date: 1 Mar 1999 15:45:26 GMT
I apologize for this being slightly off-topic, but I need to know how to start X in
AIX with a different color depth...is it possible? Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks.
David Bilbey
--
"The next time you go to the doctor, go ahead and bring in a stool sample.
They might need it. Better go ahead and bring some for the dentist too."
--Jack Handey
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From: Tristan Wibberley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Making a distro
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:48:31 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paul Tiseo wrote:
>
> Is there any information out there on how to "roll your own"
> distro? I'm sure that, at this moment, I do not have the expertise to put
> something like that together, but I'd like to know what is needed to
> actually create a distro. I'd like to start learning so that I may get
> pgcc installed and compile from source a i686-optimized linux. Also, I am
> sure that it involves a lot of work. But, perhaps I can get others
> involved and make a free distro...
Get copies of as many distributions as you can. Play with them and
decide what features you want.
Now *roughly*:
First, you need to decide how it can be installed. For example, you may
decide that it will install on a machine which has a bootable atapi
cdrom drive, and an ide HD. Then build a kernel suitable to that
environment. Put the kernel on a floppy and test it.
Now put together the stuff needed for a root partition on a new disk
partition. Add in modules for scsi cards into /lib/modules (just in case
- may as well). Put an installer program onto it and set that up to run
as soon as the system boots.
Set up lilo to test this.
Test it.
Decide the packages you're going to have.
Check the copyright licenses.
Decide the package format.
Create the (de)packaging software.
Create the packages.
Put the packages on the test root partition
Test more.
Now make a cdrom image using mkisofs, including the boot floppy image
and the root partition.
Test more.
--
Tristan Wibberley
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:49:31 -0800
From: Pablo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* an iMac
Per Olsson wrote:
In bible class today, our teacher said that I am a Jesus Freak!
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From: "Jim H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath!
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:33:21 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The original article was cross posted to several newsgroups, none of which
was an appropriate place to post it. So, the responses may not make a geat
deal of sense when they show up on your newsgroup.
Mathiaxe wrote:
> Dis, le gourou comment on dit "Tu me les gonfles" en anglais ?
> Tu dois confondre internet et radio Vatican. Jean Paul n'est pas ici !
> Mathiaxe
>
> Mitch Fellator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:22:50 +0100, "Decouvertes Tropicales"
> |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |Get Jesus outta my underwear group!!!
> |Adios
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LINUX MERCED
Date: 01 Mar 1999 13:00:15 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam P. Jenkins) writes:
> Re the original topic of this thread: I just saw something that said
> HP is porting Linux to the MERCED. Anyone hear more about that?
perhaps, but the merced is still more or less in the vapor stage.
it's hard to run on something which hardly exists.
--
johan kullstam
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From: "Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help!!!
Date: 1 Mar 1999 16:15:21 GMT
I have redhat linux 5.1 and want to connect it to internet with a dynalink
ISDN card..I am new to linux and was wondering if anyone could help with
that..
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB support
Date: 01 Mar 1999 12:27:13 -0800
Thomas Joynt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The quick answer is no, no in a stable release. You might be able to
> find a patch somewhere. Getting USB support in the kernel is a priority,
> but it wasn't ready in time for the 2.2 code "freeze".
It would appear that the developers didn't let a little thing like a
"code freeze" stop them from adding features during the 2.0.x series
of stable kernels... :)
--
Forte International, P.O. Box 1412, Ridgecrest, CA 93556-1412
Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: (760) 499-9142
President, CEO Fax: (760) 499-9152
My PGP fingerprint: 15 6E C7 91 5F AF 17 C4 24 93 CB 6B EB 38 B5 E5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dieter Rohlfing)
Subject: Re: scsiinfo: defective list not more than 512 entries
Date: 1 Mar 1999 20:17:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 24 Feb 1999 12:29:04 +0100, Andreas Schwab
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dieter Rohlfing) writes:
>
>|> Allthough the program shows the number of entries, it lists only the
>|> first 512 entries of either list.
>
>There is a limit of 4096 bytes that one can send or receive via the
>SCSI_IOCTL_SEND_COMMAND interface.
I already found out that fact. The program just reads the first 512
entries. Is there any SCSI_IOCTL_SEND_COMMAND like 'read next 512
entries' ?
>|> Can anybody help?
>Rewrite scsiinfo to use the SCSI generic (/dev/sg?) interface.
I would like to modify scsiinfo, but I need info how to do it (specially
about the SCSI_IOCTL_COMMANDs, do you know any source to study).
Thanks for your reply and have a nice day.
Dieter Rohlfing
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:51:37 -0800
From: Pablo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Blondes love iMacs
Julian Robert Yon wrote:
Blondes love iMacs and I am a pervert!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Stott)
Subject: Re: Some notes on glibc-2.1 and egcs-1.1.1
Date: 1 Mar 1999 21:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7bebm5$71u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Preston F. Crow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Conclusions:
>
>3. glibc2.1 has some glob bugs. It isn't clear if this is just a bug
>in `make check` or something in the actual library. There may be some
>non-political reasons to wait for the FSF to release 2.1.1 (which
>presumably with either not have the advertising clause in BSD licenses
>or will compile with gcc, depending on who you listen to; if the
>latter, it could easily be released along with a new less-buggy gcc).
gcc-2.8.1 (the current release) complies glibc-2.1 just fine, despite
what the INSTALL notes claim [which, I suspect, is the real reason the
release was pulled]. I did it myself just the other night. Libraries
compiled with gcc also fail on the glob check.
-JS
--
Jonathan Stott xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
icbm://41.30.14N/81.36.36W/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Physicist for hire - http://poly.phys.cwru.edu/~jstott/resume.html
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From: "M. Wimmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.linux.slakware,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,at.linux,aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.
Subject: Re: Looking for a local (Melbourne, Australia) developer to write small
application
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:30:59 +0100
Please avoid such crossposting!
Your post is completely useless, as you look for a local person and post to
the other side of the world!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mitch Fellator)
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath!
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:29:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:22:50 +0100, "Decouvertes Tropicales"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sorry, but fr.rec.voyages is a french travel newsgroup, so, please take it
> off from your address list
> thank you and ADIEU!!!
Get Jesus outta my underwear group!!!
Adios
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LINUX MERCED
Date: 1 Mar 1999 17:25:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 27 Feb 1999 13:20:53 -0500, Adam P. Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Re the original topic of this thread: I just saw something that said
>HP is porting Linux to the MERCED. Anyone hear more about that?
>
>http://195.89.1.232/990224-000014.html
I've been hearing rumors of HP putting effort into Linux-on-PA-RISC.
Whether that involves MkLinux (Open Group did a port based on this, that
they have apparently abandoned...), or takes them towards IA-64 support
(note that IA-64 resulted from an Intel/HP joint venture) is not clear.
<http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/mach/public/www/mach.html>
<http://www.gr.osf.org/mklinux/hppa/mkpa.html>
<http://www.osf.org/mall/os/pa-mklinux/index.html>
<http://www.gr.opengroup.org/mklinux/>
are all fairly relevant URLs...
--
"The program is manufactured by Quantel, a Silicon Valley company
located in Clearwater, Florida."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linuxarch.html>
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From: "Zefram Cochrane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Version 2.2.2 loses IP Masquerading ?
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:00:49 -0000
Just upped my kernel from 2.0.36 -> 2.2.2. The five or six IP masquerading
modules loaded OK.
However, my various commands for configuring ip forwarding (ipfwadm -F ...)
are failing with some "unknown device" error. ON investigating, I found that
/proc/net/ip_forward et al are missing.
Have these files been replaced by another, or is there some other
reason for their disappearance ?
Richard [in PE12]
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From: "Oh ! James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath!
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:16:31 +0100
Enfoir� d'anglais
quand vous aurez fini de polluer le newsgroup fr.rec.voyages...
et de nous faire chier avec J�sus !!
RETIREZ DE VOS DESTINATAIRES : fr.rec.voyages
Fuck
Julian Robert Yon a �crit :
> D�couvertes Tropicales wrote:
>
> > WILL YOU PLEASE STOP SPAMMING THIS NEWSGROUP!!!!!
>
> Will ___YOU___ please stop spamming innocent people. I have no interest
> in your "French Travel News" and do not accept your right to send me
> such a message.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Humphrey)
Subject: Re: SMP Support
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:03:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 15 Feb 1999 17:25:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam P. Jenkins)
wrote:
> Also, try starting two CPU-intensive tasks at once when the system is
> idle, and use top to see if they're both getting close to 100% CPU
> time. This is what should normally happen with dual CPUs.
Yet another possibility, if you're running X, is to run Xosview, which
will have one entry per recognised cpu.
I don't know what the effect would be of compiling a kernel version
earlier than 2.2 using 'MAKE="make -j8" make <target>', but on my 2.2.1
dual PII box with lots of RAM the total time to build the kernel is at
least halved. The total system load as shown by Xosview goes up to
about 24! (I think there may be something wrong with its algorithm :-(
.) I used 8 as (1 plus) the number of parallel processes after the
system ran out of memory when run with no restriction.
Rgds
Peter.
Rgds
--
Peter Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tape still not working with ncr53c8xx driver?
Date: 01 Mar 1999 14:09:08 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (bill davidsen) writes:
> Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
> Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 1
> Detected scsi disk sdc at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 2
> Detected scsi disk sdd at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 3
> Detected scsi disk sde at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 4
> Detected scsi disk sdf at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 5
> Detected scsi disk sdg at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 6
> Detected scsi disk sdh at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 7
Do you actually have any devices that use multiple luns (a jukebox or
some such)? If not, try unsetting CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN.
--
Forte International, P.O. Box 1412, Ridgecrest, CA 93556-1412
Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: (760) 499-9142
President, CEO Fax: (760) 499-9152
My PGP fingerprint: 15 6E C7 91 5F AF 17 C4 24 93 CB 6B EB 38 B5 E5
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From: "Jim H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.underwear,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,fr.rec.voyages
Subject: Re: PROOF: Jesus *is* Lord of the Sabbath!
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:26:55 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good question! Why did you?
Stuart Bell wrote:
> Julian Robert Yon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > D�couvertes Tropicales wrote:
> > >
> > > I DON T THIK THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR YOUR MESSAGES
> > > I LOVE JESUS BUT YOUR MESSAGES HAVE NOTHING TO DO ON THIS FRENCH TRAVEL
> > > NEWS
> > > THANKS AND GOOD BYE
> >
> > This being a Linux newsgroup, your comments on French Travel have no
> > place here.
> >
> > Merci, et au revoir.
> >
>
> No, it's not! It's a Mac group! ;-)
>
> Why do people keep such off-topic threads going?
>
> --
> Stuart Bell - happily working on Macs in a Wintel-free zone
> PB-100 FAQ at www.argonet.co.uk/users/sabell/pb100.html
> JR's Duo FAQ at www.argonet.co.uk/users/sabell/duo.html
> 6400/6500 users: http://hometown.aol.com/tmk12v/home.html
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