Linux-Development-Sys Digest #791, Volume #6 Mon, 7 Jun 99 06:14:00 EDT
Contents:
Re: the ultimate OS (Sid Cammeresi)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (Craig Kelley)
Free Domain Forward/Direvt Service, ("MM")
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: the ultimate OS (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: 2.2.9 (Frank v Waveren)
Re: Linux development tools - new : download freeware compiler with IDE and
GuiDesigner for Linux & Windows ("Max Reason")
Re: You can earn $50,000 40686 (Frank v Waveren)
Re: Application Framework for X? ("Max Reason")
Re: ltwinmodem (Rulecoyote)
Re: NT driver writer new to Linux kernel/drivers (H. Peter Anvin)
Re: linux device driver ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ltwinmodem (Jeff Garzik)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
CDRW block write support? (Kurt Fitzner)
Re: Configuration Manager for Linux (Karl-Heinz Zimmer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sid Cammeresi)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: the ultimate OS
Date: 6 Jun 1999 22:04:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:36:35 -0700, FM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd like to see a file system that
>lets a file have subfiles
BFS is what you want, although the subfiles (attributes in BFS parlance)
are not files qua files. BFS also has indexing, querying, and other goodies.
sc
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 06 Jun 1999 17:35:12 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jimen Ching) writes:
[snip excellent post]
> During the talk ESR gave, I asked him if "_open source_ should be
> applied to embedded software?" His answer was, "sure, why not."
> This is like saying:
>
> Avg Joe: "Fool, can I put a bullet through your head to see what happens?"
> Fool: "Sure, why not."
>
> Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it _should_ be done.
> Note, I am not suggesting you _can't_ do it. I'm only pointing out that,
> without data, there is no reason to do it.
I assume that your position is that open source should _never_ be used
wrt embedded software?
Why? We did it. In fact, many 'embedded' machines out there are
simply x86 boxes with some form of flash RAM; given the amount of open
source code that already runs on them...
> You have some good ideas. But the world is full of good ideas...
I believe that is what the original heckler was trying to convey.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "MM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.questions,comp
Subject: Free Domain Forward/Direvt Service,
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:17:40 +0800
Free Domain Forward/Direvt Service,
http://www.3man.com
Quick Case study http://www.3man.com/casestudy.html
B/Rgds.,
WebMaster.,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: 6 Jun 1999 23:37:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Magda allegedly wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Vladimir Z. Nuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[deleted the whole thing]
>
>You will have to name it something else. Please see http://www.tao.co.uk.
Y'know, a few months back when this guy posted this exact post, I mentioned
this...just check Dejanews, see:
http://x38.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=435809192&CONTEXT=928712039.1107165266&hitnum=8
Hm...looks like 5 months or so since then...any code yet?
--
"Being myself a remarkably stupid fellow, I have had to unteach myself
the difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts
that are not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc
Subject: Re: the ultimate OS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:58:45 GMT
On 6 Jun 1999 22:04:11 GMT, Sid Cammeresi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
posted:
>On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:36:35 -0700, FM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I'd like to see a file system that
>>lets a file have subfiles
>
>BFS is what you want, although the subfiles (attributes in BFS parlance)
>are not files qua files. BFS also has indexing, querying, and other goodies.
Can you give a URL or two that would elaborate on this?
This sounds a whole lot like:
a) Tom Lord's "Berkeley DB" (which isn't the same thing as db-lib), and
b) Stuff the Reiserfs folk are considering...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank v Waveren)
Subject: Re: 2.2.9
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:08:22 GMT
try doing a depmod -a 2.2.9 and after that modprobe ppp
In article <vRw43.985$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ross Maguire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> G'day, soemting simple I think. I have just installed a new kernel 2.2.9 on
> my RedHat 5.2 installation, and I keep getting errors when trying to use
> PPP. Everything else works, but I compiled this as a module, and I keep
> receiving the error that I don't have a module installed. I have tried
> insmod etc, but must be doing something wrong. I also used make modules, and
> make modules_install. Is there something else I have to do to get the
> modules to load?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>
--
Frank v Waveren
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ# 10074100
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From: "Max Reason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux development tools - new : download freeware compiler with IDE and
GuiDesigner for Linux & Windows
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:07:45 -0000
Martin Maney wrote in message <7je66o$u5t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Max Reason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If you can stand to program in something other than C++, there is a complete
>> integrated development environment that just became available for download
>> as freeware.
>
> A little lie, Max: your demoware is free, but useless as anything other than
> a demo for the commercial version. Why don't you post the prices for the
> real product while you're spamming us about your crippled demo?
>
>> You can ask me pointed questions about XBasic if you like. :-)
>
> What's it cost for a useful version? I guess that's the "pro" release - if
> you can't make standalone executables it's just a toy.
Dear Martin:
I'm not sure how you came to those conclusions, but you are mistaken.
I understand your confusion. Several years ago XBasic was sold for
prices ranging from $195 to $495 by a company named Basmark.
Basmark did have a demo version of the XBasic for Windows, but
not for Linux (as I recall anyway).
HOWEVER : Basmark's license to market XBasic ended 2+ years ago,
and recently I decided to make both Linux XBasic and Windows XBasic
available as freeware. You can download the full, unrestricted, non-demo
professional edition of Linux XBasic and/or Windows XBasic, and yes
you can make standalone executables. For information and downloads,
see http://www.maxreason.com/software/xbasic/xbasic.html .
I moved on to other projects years ago and simply decided to make XBasic
available for anyone who would enjoy having it. That is the current situation.
In fact, if someone serious would oversee, I'd release the XBasic source
so others could continue to expand and extend XBasic in the same spirit
as Linux itself.
I respect the Linux, the Linux developers, and the Linux philosophy.
Though I know a majority of Linux programmers wired C and C++
years ago and will not be much interested in *anything* that has the
letters "basic" associated with it, I also know that some others will
appreciate an integrated program and GUI development environment
that is easier to learn and quicker to program than C.
What made me think of making XBasic freeware was hearing many
comments lately similar to "Linux is getting ready for the masses".
I thought XBasic might, in a small way, help Linux attract some less
sophisticated people and programmers to Linux, including some who
just couldn't cope with C syntax or non-GUI development environment.
Programs written in either Linux Windows XBasic run unaltered on both
Linux and Windows XBasic - even programs with tons of graphics and
sophisticated GUIs. This might make a switch to Linux more viable for
some people too.
In short, my action was simply designed to help Linux along some.
Also relevant with regard to Linux is that XBasic is not a toy language.
No, XBasic is not C++. But consider the following:
# XBasic is a compiler - generates executable binary or assembly.
# XBasic can make standalone executables.
# XBasic is written entirely in XBasic.
# XBasic function protocol is compatible with C, Linux, C libraries
# XBasic passes function arguments by value like C
# XBasic function can call C functions and vice versa
# XBasic GUIs can be integrated with C programs
# XBasic has been called "C in BASIC clothing" many times
# XBasic programs port between Linux and Windows without change.
Anyway, bottom line is - XBasic is just another free resource for Linux.
If Xbasic helps new / young / QuickBasic / VisualBasic programmers
move to Linux, great. If XBasic helps programmers who can't live without
an IDE and/or GuiDesigner to hold their hand, great. If XBasic makes
it easy for a few C programmers to put GUIs on their programs, great.
That's the niche I see for XBasic, and a free one at that.
I hope somebody enjoys it.
Max Reason
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank v Waveren)
Subject: Re: You can earn $50,000 40686
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.javascript,comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.lang.tcl,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:12:07 GMT
In article <7iuvt0$qb1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Kent Dahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> send a reply, filling their e-mail-boxes as they do with ours.... Now, where
> is that virtual memory file and how do I attach it to outgoing e-mail? ;-))
Wouldn't you prefer something that *doesn't* contain all your private info? :-)
How about everybody send them the trailer of the phantom menace? :-)
--
Frank v Waveren
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ# 10074100
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From: "Max Reason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Application Framework for X?
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:22:46 -0000
Christopher Browne wrote in message <8a133.15281$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On 26 May 1999 14:22:14 GMT, David A. Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Is there and application framework for creating X apps?
>
> Lots. See URLs below for various libraries that are available.
>
> The most comprehensive frameworks currently under construction are
> probably the GNOME and KDE "Desktop Environments;" see
> <http://www.gnome.org> and <http://www.kde.org>.
Also, for example, see XBasic - an integrated development environment
that runs on Linux + XWindows and includes editor/compiler/debugger
and interactive graphical GuiDesigner. You can write your whole apps
in XBasic or just build GUIs intereactively then tie them to C programs.
XBasic has been called "C in BASIC clothing" by several programmers.
The syntax is more BASIC-like, but the speed and capabilities like C.
The entire XBasic compiler / IDE / GuiDesigner is written in XBasic.
You can make standalone executables with XBasic and its function
protocol is compatible with C programs, C libraries, Linux system calls.
XBasic is freeware and not crippled, restricted or otherwise perverted.
There are source-code compatible versions for both Linux and Windows,
and even programs with lots of graphics and sophisticated GUIs run on
both implementations. Really! :-) My optical design application and
commodity futures web-site server program prove that.
See http://www.maxreason.com/software/xbasic/xbasic.html for more
complete information. You can download both Linux and Windows
implementations of XBasic there if you're interested.
max
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rulecoyote)
Subject: Re: ltwinmodem
Date: 7 Jun 1999 02:10:40 GMT
Someday!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: NT driver writer new to Linux kernel/drivers
Date: 7 Jun 1999 03:15:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H. Peter Anvin)
Followup to: <7jd4h6$f8i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
By author: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.development.system
>
> [Holden McGroin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> > BTW, are there threads in linux ?
>
> Yes. Reportedly, the model (pthreads, though there are a couple quirks
> in the implementation) is in some ways not as sophisticated as the NT
> threads model. IANATP so I can't really discuss the issues
> competently.
>
> I guess the standard excuse for any threads shortcomings (and like I
> said I'm not sure what those are) is that in Linux processes are so
> lightweight that often threads don't buy you much anyway.
>
OK... that's the first time I've heard it being claimed that phreads
isn't as "sophisticated" as NT threads. However, it is known that the
process-creation overhead of NT is positively huge, whereas fork() is
a pretty cheap operation in Linux.
-hpa
--
"The user's computer downloads the ActiveX code and simulates a 'Blue
Screen' crash, a generally benign event most users are familiar with
and that would not necessarily arouse suspicions."
-- Security exploit description on http://www.zks.net/p3/how.asp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: linux device driver
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 01:50:48 GMT
Ann,
Try the following link:
http://www-stu.calvin.edu/~clug/users/jnieho38/goto22.html
If you have never written a driver before, I would highly recommend to
go back to 2.0 kernel so that you can try the examples in the book and
see what is going on. Once you have a good understanding of the kernell
functions, etc.. you should be able modify your code for 2.2.x Kernel.
Good luck!
-jeff a.-
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.990603163917.2670B-100000@comp>,
"H. Ann Chen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am recently trying to learn how to write a linux device driver from
the
> O'Reilly book "Linux Device Driver". It turned out that most of the
> examples on that book is written for an older kernel version and they
> don't work for the kernel 2.2.5 (the one that I am working on). Does
> anybody know where to find information on how to patch on the
> differences?? I'd really appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Ann
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ltwinmodem
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:54:04 -0400
Rulecoyote wrote:
>
> Please tell me how to make a winmodem work with Linux!
See http://linmodems.org/
Jeff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:43:14 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> there are some people so brilliant, like yang/filo, who
> can commit radically to a vision without any momentum
> whatsoever. they are clearly the most highly rewarded/
> entrepreurial in the world. in fact the greatest entrepreneurs,
> I would submit to you, have the lowest "momentum
> threshholds". they start the project and commit to it
> passionately/obsessively even before ANYTHING exists. they
> create it out of thin air.
Realize that they largely work for themselves perhaps for ownership,
freedom or some other goal. Mostly attempts by others to harness or
capitalize upon the passion fail. You have to be willing to follow them
and help and be a part of their vision and make their vision your's
(usually you will receive something important to you like money e.g., but
the vision pretty much belongs to the creator, especially initially).
Work for them, not control or subordinate them. Ideas are cheap,
proof-of-concept/implementation proves a higher degree of leadership.
Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kurt Fitzner)
Subject: CDRW block write support?
Date: 7 Jun 1999 06:01:01 GMT
Does anyone know of any plans to incorporate CD-RW block write support into
the kernel? Has anyone had any success in hacking the kernel to support
mounting of a CD-RW read/write? I'd appreciate any info.
- Kurt Fitzner
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From: Karl-Heinz Zimmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Configuration Manager for Linux
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 08:27:12 GMT
Am 04.06.1999, 15:38:18, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Selious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>I am sorry but i am not willing to spend my free time at
> :> home to a project that is intended to make money.
> : I'm sorry too.
[...]
> I think he meant that he won't participate in a project
> that will make money to only _you_. I wouldn't either...
I am sorry but i am not willing to spend my free time at
home to a project that is intended to make money.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Forget about what you mean that i mean...
You DID cite me correctly:=20
I am sorry but i am not willing to spend my free time
at home to a project that is intended to make money.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In my humble opinion the Linux Community is not waiting for people=20
sitting there at home and making plans for making money with their=20
hobby.
I do *not* own a company: when it's time to go home at the evening i=20=
want to have a rest and perhaps find some time to do something in (and=20=
/for/) Linux -- that's the way free software is made.
I do not complain about somebody trying to make money with a Linux=20
project: i only complained because Selious did not mention this fact=20=
at the very beginning of his posting.
IMHO the idea of making money is a very important part of his project=20=
and should not come as postscriptum. If one writes clearly ''Hey,=20
i've got a fine idea how to produce something useful and sell it to=20
companies!'' everybody would instantly decide to read on or to stop=20
reading, this is far better than let us read the whole stuff and=20
mention the critical fact at the very end.
Karl-Heinz
--=20
(posting privately)
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