Linux-Development-Sys Digest #52, Volume #7 Sat, 14 Aug 99 03:14:22 EDT
Contents:
Re: big-endian Linux on Alpha? (Philip Brown)
Re: MICROSOFT LINUX DISTRIBUTION (William McBrine)
KDE for Redhat 6.0 (Sunil)
Re: MICROSOFT LINUX DISTRIBUTION (William McBrine)
Re: big-endian Linux on Alpha? (Robert Komar)
Re: MICROSOFT LINUX DISTRIBUTION (William McBrine)
Re: RH 6.0 modprobe for lo (Robin Becker)
Re: Can't compile network drivers ("Marcus Wegner")
Re: Can't compile network drivers (Troy Brent)
Re: Device Driver (ellis)
minimum linux for playing sound (Andre)
dynamic IP address ("michael.t.kretsch.1")
Re: KDE for Redhat 6.0 (ellis)
Can't compile network drivers (Stephen Torri)
Re: minimum linux for playing sound (William Burrow)
ACT OF DEFLORATION! 3231 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Kernel upgrades... why? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: buffers? (Errin Watusikac)
Re: dynamic IP address (Greg White)
Re: Broken Select ("Ed Okerson")
help - system stops with high I/O load ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: dynamic IP address (David T. Blake)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: big-endian Linux on Alpha?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Aug 1999 19:31:14 GMT
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:24:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Sorry if this question has already been posted,
>could not find any reference anywhere.
>
>Is it possible to run Linux on an Alpha in
>big-endian mode? I know the machine has the
>capability of changing sex by use of a single
>switch, but is it supported by the Linux kernel?
>
>If it is possible, how? How difficult? Does this
>mean you have to recompile everything from scratch?
>Which format are the RPMs distributed in?
not an expert in linux/alpha, but...
yes, I would guess if you pulled this off, a lot of things would have to be
recompiled. And beyond that, you may have to first change any #include files
that make assuptions about "This is alpha, we must be little-endian"
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From: William McBrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT LINUX DISTRIBUTION
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:53:01 GMT
bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: IE isn't a window manager. The Linux version of IE runs on X.
_What_ Linux version of IE?
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From: Sunil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,redhat.servers.general
Subject: KDE for Redhat 6.0
Date: 13 Aug 1999 18:30:54 GMT
I am looking for KDE for linux head hat 6.0. I coundn't find any searching
over the net. If you know the location where I can get it, I wouldly
appretiate.
I am abother concer
I want other people access my Lunix box via FTP. who do I set up user
account, rights and other things that I need to do. Thank you in advance
for your help.
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From: William McBrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT LINUX DISTRIBUTION
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:54:52 GMT
John Jacques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Isn't Netware buying out debian linux? I have a linux magazine, (I have
: to find where I placed it), that said Netware cannot depend on M$ (runs
: on top of dos) anymore after this year and is converting their OS to
: work with linux ( I think it said debian?).
So how does that translate to "buying out"?
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From: Robert Komar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: big-endian Linux on Alpha?
Date: 13 Aug 1999 19:17:27 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Is it possible to run Linux on an Alpha in
: big-endian mode? I know the machine has the
: capability of changing sex by use of a single
: switch, but is it supported by the Linux kernel?
Are you sure about being able to do this? I know
that some MIPS processors support this, but I had
never heard that Alphas could do it. In any case,
the people in comp.os.linux.alpha would be the
right ones to ask.
Cheers,
Rob Komar
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From: William McBrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT LINUX DISTRIBUTION
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:56:24 GMT
Philip Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Eh.. some people might say that redhat is gradually taking over linux :-)
A year or two ago, maybe. I think SuSE is growing faster now. (I don't
have any real statistics, though. I'm just going by shelf space and
apparent mindshare online.)
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From: Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 modprobe for lo
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:58:29 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robin Becker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Johan Kullstam
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> I'm getting some spurious boot messages about modprobe being unable to
>>> find the lo device. I have inserted an 'alias lo off' line in
>>> /etc/conf.modules and certainly attempts made after the boot to modprobe
>>> for lo certainly don't cause errors. I have most of the net stuff in
>>> modules, but can't figure this nonsense out.
the command which causes these messages is
linuxconf --hint ipalias lo
an RH special just to keep us confused.
>>
>>the redhat initscripts are trying to bring up ip aliases. go to
>>/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ and find the ifup-aliases[1].
>>
>>you want to kill this script. in my case i inserted `exit 0' at the
>>point right after the initial comments stop. this provides a nice
>>short circuit but leaves the script in case i should want it.
>>
>I'll give that a go thanks
>>this fixes the modprobe not finding lo:1 lo:2 ... lo:50 and similar
>>eth: kvetching. however, i experience a significant delay at boot at
>>the bringing up lo and eth spots, unless i use a init ramdisk
>>(initrd).
>>
>I don't see that, but could it be related to searching for a nameserver.
>I don't have any eth so my net is local+default through ppp0
>>speaking of initrd, my disk access on kernel 2.2.x with x >= 7 on my
>>scsi system is also hosed (very slow, but no corrupt data. bizarre.)
>>unless i use an initrd. if have grovelled through many of the
>>initscripts but i cannot figure out this initrd dependence. until
>>then, i will just use initrd.
>>
>I'm using standard 2.2.11 without any noticeable slowness. Are you
>fixing up the links in /boot as you go along?
>>[1] i am not at my linux box. i think this is the name of the file.
>> it ends in -aliases in any event.
>>
>
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Robin Becker
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From: "Marcus Wegner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't compile network drivers
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 03:11:25 +0200
I am using a Realtek 8139 card (PCI) and it works without any problems.
Try getting the new driver (rtl8139.c v1.07?).
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/rtl8139.html
It's not in the actual kernel (2.2.11).
If you can't enable your driver, check 'prompt for incomplete drivers'
Stephen Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I downloaded the full 2.2.11 kernel and went through the normal steps.
> When I used make menuconfig I found that I could not select my device
> driver for my network card. I use th realtek driver and wasn't able to
> select it. Is this normal or should I do something else?
>
> Stephen
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From: Troy Brent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't compile network drivers
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:40:26 GMT
Stephen Torri wrote:
> I downloaded the full 2.2.11 kernel and went through the normal steps.
> When I used make menuconfig I found that I could not select my device
> driver for my network card. I use th realtek driver and wasn't able to
> select it. Is this normal or should I do something else?
>
> Stephen
Stephen,
Try going to Realtek's website; if they don't have a linux driver, they
may be able to tell you which pre-loaded Linux driver will work (i.e.
Tulip, etc.)
Troy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ellis)
Subject: Re: Device Driver
Date: 13 Aug 1999 22:00:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Adam Meyerowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Thanks for the information. Does the device driver I write have to be
>compiled into the kernel or can it be loaded by whatever process needs
>it and unloaded upon exit.
It can be a module that is loaded and unloaded as needed.
>Also is it possible to write the driver so
>that it is notified by the process as to what interrupt it is to monitor.
Yes.
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From: Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: minimum linux for playing sound
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:30:46 GMT
My friends,
What should be the minimum setup for a standalone linux box to play sound
(mp3)?
Can I erase /usr/bin and alike?
Should I keep most daemons?
thanks for any help
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From: "michael.t.kretsch.1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: dynamic IP address
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:57:31 -0500
I just moved to L.A. and recieved a direct connection from
mediaone and they would not give me a static IP address. So I am not sure
how to set up the connection under linux. If linux does not support
dynamic IP addresses then is there any way that I can take an empty
address from mediaone.
Thanks for your help
Michael Kretsch
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ellis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,redhat.servers.general
Subject: Re: KDE for Redhat 6.0
Date: 13 Aug 1999 22:13:16 GMT
In article <7p1o8u$hnn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sunil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am looking for KDE for linux head hat 6.
Doesn't KDE come with 6.0? On ftp.redhat.com in
/redhat/redhat-6.0/i386/RedHat/RPMS I find:
kdeadmin-1.1.1pre2-1.i386.rpm
kdebase-1.1.1pre2-2.i386.rpm
kdegames-1.1.1pre2-2.i386.rpm
kdegraphics-1.1.1pre2-1.i386.rpm
kdelibs-1.1.1pre2-2.i386.rpm
kdemultimedia-1.1.1pre2-1.i386.rpm
kdenetwork-1.1.1pre2-1.i386.rpm
kdesupport-1.1.1pre2-1.i386.rpm
kdeutils-1.1.1pre2-1.i386.rpm
And more in the updates directory.
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From: Stephen Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't compile network drivers
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:27:28 -0400
I downloaded the full 2.2.11 kernel and went through the normal steps.
When I used make menuconfig I found that I could not select my device
driver for my network card. I use th realtek driver and wasn't able to
select it. Is this normal or should I do something else?
Stephen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: minimum linux for playing sound
Date: 14 Aug 1999 03:29:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:30:46 GMT,
Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My friends,
>
>What should be the minimum setup for a standalone linux box to play sound
>(mp3)?
The minimum you would need would be:
1) kernel with sound
1a) lilo or something to boot with -- optional for floppies
2) init
3) /lib, /bin, /etc, /dev (at least ttys, media devices, audio and dsp)
4) a shell
5) mp3 player and any libs it has
Statically link your shell, /bin and the mp3 to get rid of /lib, if
desired. There is a shell with much of /bin builtin, called sash I
believe.
>Can I erase /usr/bin and alike?
If you don't need anything in there.
>Should I keep most daemons?
What do you need daemons for?
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William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Kernel upgrades... why?
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:23:05 GMT
In article <7p03ug$2eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, bobrien wrote:
>I can understand making the jump from 1.x or 2.1 or 2.2 but it is really a
>necessity or even useful to upgrade each release... 2.2.5-15, 2.2.5-20,
>2.2.10, 2.2.11 ... etc... I'm still quite new to this and curious why
>everyone seems to jump right into each tiny upgrade. I can't see a reason
>to upgrade until my soundcard has built in support in the kernel. Or I can
>plug in a module for it.
It depends. Up to 2.2.10 there were reports about file corruptions and
2.2.11 comes with security related changes too. Now if you've got a
machine @ home with no other malicious users than yourself, then those
security issues can be a non issue. Regarding that FS corruption ... if
you've not had trouble yet just leave it at that and let the others give
the latest kernel a try.
The best is to check the kernel list a./o. changes file. E.g. 2.2.11
comes with a bunch of non Intel patches (so if you've got an Intel
machine ...), ISDN updates and so on. In the end the only change that
would affect you might be the version number.
For the "jumping right into each tiny upgrade" ... well, you only
hear from the version freaks, not the others, that is all. Guess
especially as a lot of them compile first and do the reading (too)
late(er) ;)
Ta',
Juergen
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Subject: Re: buffers?
From: Errin Watusikac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 13 Aug 1999 22:10:31 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Stevenson) writes:
> Hi
>
> i have a question on bufferes under linux
> is it not meant to slowly write the bufferes to disk
> when the system is idle for a certin amount of time
> or is there a way of doing this?
>
> thanks
> James
I think you'll find the information which you need here:
http://www.edunet.com/english/grammar/
If that's no help, try this:
== Just before posting your question, read it carefully and
ask yourself if it makes any sense. Then rewrite it.
== Use capitalization and punctuation like you see other
people do. It's not hard and makes your reader's job
easier. Your lazy letter-dump is rude.
If you expect people to help you with answers, be good enough to
not make their job harder than necessary just to read your question.
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From: Greg White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: dynamic IP address
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:19:11 GMT
"michael.t.kretsch.1" wrote:
>
> I just moved to L.A. and recieved a direct connection from
> mediaone and they would not give me a static IP address. So I am not sure
> how to set up the connection under linux. If linux does not support
> dynamic IP addresses then is there any way that I can take an empty
> address from mediaone.
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Michael Kretsch
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Look into 'dhcpcd' (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Client Daemon).
This package is probably already in your distro, but it is downloadable
from all kinds of places.
GW
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From: "Ed Okerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Broken Select
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:11:59 -0500
Well, I found my error and thought I would share it so other driver writers
would not fall into the same pit. Early on in the writing of the driver I
allocated 4 wait queues for each card read_inq, read_outq, write_inq and
write_outq. I ended up using only 2 of them, read_outq and write_inq.
Those are the queues that are used for blocking reads and writes, so they
are the ones that get passed to wake_up_interruptible when buffers are
available, or there is data to read. Unfortunately, when I added the poll()
method, I inadvertently used the other 2, thus the compiler didn't complain,
but select()'s never woke up until their timer timed out. The unused wait
queues have now been deleted.
Ed Okerson
Quicknet Technologies, Inc
Kaz Kylheku wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:02:10 -0500, Al Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>The select() functionality in the 2.2.9 kernel appears to be broken. If
>>there is nothing readable or writable when select() is initially called,
it
>>will not return until it times out. The man page says (and the way it is
>>normally used) that it will return when something int readfds becomes
>>readable or something in writefds becomes writable, and that the timeout
is
>>only an upper boundary. Our testing indicates that it will not return
until
>>the timeout expires. Anyone know of a workaround? Or has anyone else
>>noticed this problem yet?
>
>I've been using 2.2.9 since it came out, and I haven't seen any strange
>behaviors in any networking software. If what you are saying is true, than
it
>would probably follow that selects with a null struct timeval * argument
would
>block forever, resulting in a lot of catatonic applications. Have you
>investigated what happens if you make the wait infinite?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: help - system stops with high I/O load
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:19:25 GMT
Linuxers,
deja hast not brought me to any helpful search results, so
we try this way:
This is some sort of 24h computer center, that we have converted
to Linux completely.
The most essential machine type is some up to date PC (Int.PIII
450, 512MB RAM) equipped with industry standard hardware with
Adaptec U2W Controllers, no internal disks, one internal cdrom,
but an external Rack RAID (hardware RAID level 5, no softraid)
plugged to the adaptec.
Among others, we have about 20 machines of this important
type running under _heavy_ I/O load with several processes
performing disk I/O in parallel. Also we have many network
requests (decchip 100MBit PCI boards with tulip.c 0.91 driver).
We use monolithical kernels, tailored for our hardware.
No modules.
And these machines would lock up completely every two days or so.
They just stop working. No messages, no warnings, no logfiles,
nothing. We get heavy filesystem damage and long recovery
times when rebooting.
This sort of death is a slow one. They won't lock up immediate
but would die within seconds to few minutes where our application
processes quit working, no more new processes can be created.
It may in the end still be possible to change virtual screen
at the console (but no more reaction on commands, login,...)
Now, this happens to most of those machines regularly.
We have exchanged all hardware, we moved to tekram
controllers, we reviewed all our software coding, watched top
running on the console screen, watched strace on our main
application processes.
Nothing. No memory contention, no massive fork, no socket contention,
no lack of inodes, no filesystem contention, these beasts would
just quit running.
This never happens on our machines with normal I/O load, same
hardware, same RAID, same kernel.
Now, we changed from 2.2.9 to 2.2.11 (patched with TCP memory leak,
tulip.c network driver and some symbios patch we found within
kernel release notes on the web).
We were hoping this would (together with moving from adaptec to
tekram controller) somehow fix this nasty problem, but I was just
informed, it is going on regardless which controller we use.
We also tried going back to 2.0.35, but this kernel would slow
down the hole thing massively, and would also crash after a while.
Does anybody of you guys know about a related problem with linux?
This problem badly compromises our work.
We are for sure reviewing our applications, and we are in parallel
porting to and preparing to migrate to other Unix systems, but
this is not the solution we like, and -on the other hand-
we cannot currently tell this would work.
I am struggling with a big problem here, and you may well be very
sure, this posting nor is a troll or bait.
I am so much hoping that this shows up as some application problem,
that can be fixed. Any hints, pointers, thoughts are very welcome.
Thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake)
Subject: Re: dynamic IP address
Date: 14 Aug 1999 06:54:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
michael.t.kretsch.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just moved to L.A. and recieved a direct connection from
> mediaone and they would not give me a static IP address. So I am
> not sure how to set up the connection under linux. If linux does
> not support dynamic IP addresses then is there any way that I can
> take an empty address from mediaone.
What do you need a static IP address for ?
I only found a difference for MTAs, and it is kind of a
joke to run one from a dynamic IP anyway.
--
Dave Blake
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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