Linux-Development-Sys Digest #155, Volume #7 Sun, 5 Sep 99 03:14:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Flamage - Why? (bilge)
Re: Linux standards compliance (Leslie Mikesell)
Drivers (Marvin the Martian)
Y2K T- Shirts 222 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: gdb Reference ("Ross Crawford")
Re: Can I compile the kernel using a cc other than gcc? (David T. Blake)
Re: Linux standards compliance (David T. Blake)
Abit Hotrod 66 Support.. Is there any ?????? ("Mark Sharp")
Writing Linux Drivers for Video Production (Jack Neely)
Writing a Linux Driver for Video Production (Jack Neely)
samba 2.0.5a's smbmount password argument (XuYifeng)
Re: Hi, How can I diPPP over Ethernet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The conceptual sandbox? (void)
Re: Which file systems are write stable on Linux? (jwk)
Re: The conceptual sandbox? (void)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (EdToy)
Re: Video Camera on Linux... ("William Epperson Jr.")
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (Nicholas Dronen)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bilge)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Flamage - Why?
Date: 4 Sep 1999 22:04:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vladimir Z. Nuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] blared:
>
>"the impossible only takes longer"
is this "longer" a countable or an uncountable "longer"
>"all things are impossible to those with no imagination" hahaha
You get another true statement by changing the word
"no" to "only". The "hahaha" is OK as is.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux standards compliance
Date: 4 Sep 1999 16:41:05 -0500
In article <7qq96v$pb2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[Nix <$}xinix{[email protected]>]
>> It makes the kernel harder to maintain, slows it down (extra
>> indirection layers for no good technical reason, and in a damned
>> time-critical area of the kernel, too), and has little apparent
>> reason other than so that the commercial Unix developers can sponge
>> off free software driver development.
>
>That's probably the biggest reason, but another one is so that hardware
>mfrs can hoard their secrets and release binary-only drivers without
>the normal maintenance burden that normally goes with not letting your
>users recompile for a new Linux version.
Errr, note that the hardware mfrs are able to hoard their secrets
just fine as things stand. The difference is that with a binary
driver spec you would be able to use it under Linux and without
it you can't. Why is it such a difficult concept anyway? Drivers
really belong on flash ram in the device itself. Why should
an OS even need to know anything about this code other than
how to request each service it provides?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Marvin the Martian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Drivers
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:47:57 -0700
Does anyone know a good place to get drivers for equip for Linux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Y2K T- Shirts 222
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 00:13:38 GMT
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From: "Ross Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gdb Reference
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:44:48 +1000
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7qq0dd$oia$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> As someone who already uses emacs/xemacs for most of my editing work, I
> find its info browser natural and convenient. For a vi user, I imagine
> it would not be. Either way, I agree with you about preferring the man
> page format for most things. Which is why I am glad that Debian -- the
> only major distribution to say "GNU/Linux" -- still says in official
> policy that not having a man page is a bug.
>
That's great, but it's a pain when there's a man page there which says 'This
document is no longer the definitive source, and may be out of date.' or
similar, forcing you to look for more recent doco anyway.
Regards,
ROSCO
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Can I compile the kernel using a cc other than gcc?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 01:50:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The DEC C compiler is way faster on Alpha. So if Compaq/DEC/et
> al could get Linux ported to that compiler then Alpha Linux could
> be much faster.
I get about 10-15% speed improvements for cc over gcc under OSF
if I take my time and try different combinations of optimizations
for each.
You can note this comparison is impossible to do under linux
as Dec doesn't have ANY compiler that works under linux.
There is a chance Compaq, in its infinite wisdom, may port a
compiler to linux as a 'value added' option (in fact their reps
told me it was under consideration), but I don't see anyone using
it except people really concerned with 'super' computing. As to
the kernel folks making any sort of concessions for a proprietary
compiler, I'd be surprised.
I'd much rather see Compaq working with the folks at Cygnus to
make gcc on alpha faster. That would sell more alpha linux boxes,
as well as generate a lot of positive PR. Compaq might be best
off trying to maximize hardware sales instead of convincing
people to use the poorly administered Dec licensing scheme, and
'value added' options under linux.
--
Dave Blake
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake)
Subject: Re: Linux standards compliance
Date: 5 Sep 1999 01:56:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The difference is that with a binary driver spec you would be
> able to use it under Linux and without it you can't. Why is it
> such a difficult concept anyway? Drivers really belong on flash
> ram in the device itself. Why should an OS even need to know
> anything about this code other than how to request each service
> it provides?
No code is without bugs.
Open source allows you to fix the bugs. It allows peer review
of coding. It allows people who depend on the device most
heavily to be able to optimize the driver themselves. It does
not allow the 'unknown' into the driver - such as NSA keys
for cryptography built into your system. It also allows the
kernel to change and have drivers available when the kernel is.
It was a buggy closed source device driver that led to the whole
GNU project.
If vendors want their devices to work well under linux, they can
quite easily submit patches to the source tree and maintain the
code as the kernel changes. And some people not employed by their
company might actually do some of their work.
A win win situation.
--
Dave Blake
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Mark Sharp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Abit Hotrod 66 Support.. Is there any ??????
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:47:52 +1200
Regards
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Neely)
Subject: Writing Linux Drivers for Video Production
Date: 5 Sep 1999 03:49:20 GMT
I am a student at North Carolina State University. Being totally bored
with my CSC major I started a research project with a professor. I
wanted to learn about programming Linux so this project is my first go
at writing a device driver (or something similar) for Linux.
I am writing a driver to use a frame buffer card to record short
animations to a Sony LVR 5000. I need advice on choosing a frame buffer
card. The card must have component out. I have looked at Targa ATVista
boards. They can do what I need and I can get one for fairly cheap, however
I cannot get specifications from Pinnacle Systems. DPS's Perception seems
to be the industry standard. I don't know that much about this kind of
hardware so I'm looking for suggestions. The important thing is that I
need the programming specifications.
This project is being developed in the open source style and all code is
under the GPL. For more information please check out the website.
http://152.7.75.157/linux
Please e-mail me to contact me.
Jack Neely
--
--
Jack Neely AKA C4Man AKA The QuackMaster
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://www.ac.net/~hneely
ICQ UIN: 3738590
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Neely)
Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.misc,comp.graphics.visualization
Subject: Writing a Linux Driver for Video Production
Date: 5 Sep 1999 03:02:33 GMT
I am a student at North Carolina State University. Being totally
bored with my CSC major I started a research project with a professor.
I wanted to learn about programming Linux so this project is my first
go at writing a device driver (or something similar) for Linux.
I am writing a driver to use a frame buffer card to record short
animations to a Sony LVR 5000. I need advice on choosing a frame buffer
card. The card must have component out. I have looked at Targa ATVista
boards. They can do what I need and I can get one for fairly cheap,
however I cannot get specifications from Pinnacle Systems. DPS's
Perception seems to be the industry standard. I don't know that much
about this kind of hardware so I'm looking for suggestions. The important
thing is that I need the programming specifications.
This project is being developed in the open source style and all code is
under the GPL. For more information please check out the website.
http://152.7.75.157/linux
Please e-mail me to contact me.
Jack Neely
--
--
Jack Neely AKA C4Man AKA The QuackMaster
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://www.ac.net/~hneely
ICQ UIN: 3738590
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From: XuYifeng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: samba 2.0.5a's smbmount password argument
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 12:31:06 +0800
Hi,
I am using samba 2.0.5a, it seem's SAMBA team changed the format of
smbmount
arguments, I am no longer can pass password argument to smbmount on
command line,
it forces me to type password at its new prompt line :(, so I am no
longer can write smbmount command at my machine's startup scripts,
anonying,
can anyone help me?
XuYifeng
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hi, How can I diPPP over Ethernet?
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:03:45 GMT
It's because of ADSL. Possible services for ADSL around the world may
include at least the following:
1. RFC1483 bridged Ethernet (i.e. Ethernet packet->ATM AAL5->ADSL)
2. RFC2364 PPP over ATM (i.e. PPP packet->ATM AAL5->ADSL)
3. RFC2516 PPP over Ethernet(i.e. PPP->Ethernet packet->ATM AAL5->ADSL)
4. RFC1577 Classical IP over ATM
What I really wish to do is to seek and develop supported drivers for
every ADSL solution in Linux.
Wayne
In article <7qqdic$pmv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> > How can I direct PPP to Ethernet device driver, so I can have PPP
> > over , say Ethernet?
>
> As with all questions like this, I have to ask: Why? Tell us what you
> *really* want to do. It sounds like you have a half-formulated
> solution to a problem for which there may well be better solutions.
>
> I ask all this because PPP and Ethernet have parallel functionality
(no
> pun intended): to encapsulate packets from higher-level protocols so
> they can traverse a medium (a point-to-point link for PPP, a
multipoint
> link for Ethernet). As well ask how to send an Ethernet frame over
> PPP.
>
> --
> Peter Samuelson
> <sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (void)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: The conceptual sandbox?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 05:57:27 GMT
On 4 Sep 1999 02:41:59 GMT, Vladimir Z. Nuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>respectfully, you guys just are not getting it. there are two
>very distinct definitions:
>
>1. a virus is something that when run, corrupts the OS.
>2. a virus is something that can potentially corrupt
>the OS when run.
Neither of these definitions is worth anything. There are plenty of
things a malicious program can do, whether it be a virus or any other
kind of "malware", besides corrupt the OS.
--
Ben
[X] YES! I'm a brain-damaged lemur on crack, and I'd like to
order your software package for $459.95!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jwk)
Subject: Re: Which file systems are write stable on Linux?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 06:20:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:55:25 -0700, Randall Parker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>says...
>> Did you already consider using RAID? There are several options there, among
>> others mirroring of disks and striping. Each of the different RAID
>> levels offer differrent improvement levels in speed, safety and money (-:
>
>Jan,
>
>Whether the directory structure is one one disk or a RAID array of disks
>the fact is that if the metadata gets corrupted you can't access the data
>any more.
>
>What I'd like to see on Linux to improve file system stability is:
> A) Ability to make metadata writes synchronous without making the rest
>of the writes synchronous. The BSDs have this capability btw.
there's been a (long) discussion of this on the kernel mailing list.
IIRC, it's a chicken and egg-problem: if you have to write one thing,
what do you choose, the meta-data or the real-data? At the end it turned
out that both had advantages and disadvantages. Go check the archives
for more.
>
> B) The ability to tell the OS install procedure to put all OS temp
>files as a group on a different logical volume.
>
> C) The ability to tell the OS install procedure to put all config files
>as a group on a different logical volume as well (not the same as the
>temp file volume).
Hmmm. Seems more of a user-space / application problem to me.
If all applications write temporary files in /tmp and all configuration
either in ~ or in /etc, and you mount them on different partitions, what
can go wrong?
Jurriaan
--
Thesaurus (n): ancient reptile with excellent vocabulary.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (void)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: The conceptual sandbox?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 06:31:55 GMT
On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 04:01:03 GMT, Christopher B. Browne
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"The moral is obvious. You can't trust code that you did not totally
>create yourself. (Especially code from companies that employ people
>like me.) [*snip*]"
<lament>
And if you can't trust AT&T Bell Labs, who *can* you trust?
</lament>
--
Ben
[X] YES! I'm a brain-damaged lemur on crack, and I'd like to
order your software package for $459.95!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (EdToy)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:13:28 -0500
In article <7qpunp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> In comp.os.misc EdToy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Sounds like your agenda. So pay 'em then.
>
> the agenda is open.. the agenda is to create a new OS.
> is linux Torvald's agenda? do you ask him to pay
> contributors?
Well he certainly didn't do any favors to the ones who gave up their time
so that Red Hat could make all that money that's for sure. It's the same
scam that built the pyramids of Egypt.
> : It seems everyone wants to own developers instead of learnind how to do
> : become a productive citizen.
>
> talk is cheap, but I strongly disagree that it is useless.
> the regulars who constantly gripe about useless talk should
> consider how much of their own time/energy their are wasting
> with their own recriminations.
Well someone has to keep the false leaders at bay.
> : _You're_ the one who is scanning for free labor or some such thing.
>
> it exists.. it is what built linux.. perhaps you could
> indicate why you seem to think I am a megalomaniac..?
What exists? If you mean naivete, then you're right. Don't come to
America and ask people to give up their time without paying them for it.
When it boils down to it, that's all anyone has. The only reason I'm
picking on you is because I get the feeling you're trying to play the
false leader game.
> again, anyone who agrees with the goal of creating a new
> superior OS, please sign up for the list.
Better though: just create it on your own and leave those who would steal
your ideas out of the picture entirely. Now that's good advice.
Ed
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From: "William Epperson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Video Camera on Linux...
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 00:53:01 -0600
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Currently the Linux kernal does not support the USB interface. Correct
me if I am wrong on the next point, but I don't think the latest Kernal
2.2.* does either. Parrallel cam would be your only recourse. Hooking
it up however is unknown to me as well.
Later,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gandolf wrote:
> Has anyone been successful in attaching either a parallel port or
>
> USB port based video camera to a Linux system ? I am interested in
>
> which, what software/drivers and what it took to pull it off.
>
> Pls rply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks.
>
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> http://www.searchlinux.com
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Currently the Linux kernal does not support the USB interface. Correct
me if I am wrong on the next point, but I don't think the latest Kernal
2.2.* does either. Parrallel cam would be your only recourse.
Hooking it up however is unknown to me as well.
<BR>Later,
<BR>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Has anyone been successful in attaching either a
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<P>which, what software/drivers and what it took to pull it off.
<P>Pls rply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nicholas Dronen)
Subject: Re: TAO: the ultimate OS
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 06:56:11 GMT
EdToy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In article <7qpunp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
: > In comp.os.misc EdToy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >
: > : Sounds like your agenda. So pay 'em then.
: >
: > the agenda is open.. the agenda is to create a new OS.
: > is linux Torvald's agenda? do you ask him to pay
: > contributors?
: Well he certainly didn't do any favors to the ones who gave up their time
: so that Red Hat could make all that money that's for sure. It's the same
: scam that built the pyramids of Egypt.
: > : It seems everyone wants to own developers instead of learnind how to do
: > : become a productive citizen.
: >
: > talk is cheap, but I strongly disagree that it is useless.
: > the regulars who constantly gripe about useless talk should
: > consider how much of their own time/energy their are wasting
: > with their own recriminations.
: Well someone has to keep the false leaders at bay.
: > : _You're_ the one who is scanning for free labor or some such thing.
: >
: > it exists.. it is what built linux.. perhaps you could
: > indicate why you seem to think I am a megalomaniac..?
: What exists? If you mean naivete, then you're right. Don't come to
: America and ask people to give up their time without paying them for it.
: When it boils down to it, that's all anyone has. The only reason I'm
: picking on you is because I get the feeling you're trying to play the
: false leader game.
: > again, anyone who agrees with the goal of creating a new
: > superior OS, please sign up for the list.
: Better though: just create it on your own and leave those who would steal
: your ideas out of the picture entirely. Now that's good advice.
$ nslookup isp.soon.net
Server: phobos.frii.com
Address: 208.146.240.1
*** phobos.frii.com can't find isp.soon.net: Unspecified error
When will 'Ed' start using a real domain?
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