Linux-Development-Sys Digest #626, Volume #8 Tue, 10 Apr 01 14:13:17 EDT
Contents:
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Randall Parker)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Randall Parker)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Tom Almy)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Phillip Lord)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Randall Parker)
mmap fails after about 2GB (Aaron Sherman)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Randall Parker)
Quesion about precise time control ("tlin")
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Randall Parker)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Randall Parker)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Grant Edwards)
Re: A Linux emulator for Linux, does this exist? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Roberto Selbach
Teixeira)
Re: Quesion about precise time control
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Phillip Lord)
Re: A Linux emulator for Linux, does this exist? (Grant Edwards)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Phillip Lord)
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (Tom Almy)
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From: Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:13:48 GMT
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:29:14 -0700 esteemed Dan Miller did'st hold forth thusly:
> So, you're recommending Brief?? It hasn't been available for awhile...
Visual Slick Edit has excellent Brief emulation. I use that with some additional
CUA extensions and with some commands that the VSE people added.
Even for someone who uses VSE with a different key mapping the macros for
providing the Brief-specific features can be mapped to key combinations and are
quite helpful. Column range select and the Brief style of pasting and cursor
positioning are just two that come to mind.
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From: Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:13:58 GMT
On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 03:41:21 -0600 esteemed Dave Martel did'st hold forth
thusly:
> Brief's the best programmer's editor I ever used. Despite
> compatability claims I've never found another editor that duplicates
> Brief's intuitiveness. Too bad Borland bought it up and then forgot
> about it.
Have you tried Visual Slick Edit's Brief emulation? Its excellent.
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From: Tom Almy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:14:16 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> No, no, no, no, no.
>
> Ed is THE editor.
Only for UNIX hackers. For the rest of the world, THE editor is
TECO. What other editor handles paper tape so easily? TECO has
withstood the test of time. Get it (free) here:
http://www.aracnet.com/~tomalmy/teco.html
Quoting the FAQ:
TECO Frequently Asked Questions
Do I need a paper tape punch and reader to use TECO?
No. Modern TECOs will also edit text files.
What is the maximum size of a file I can edit?
This version of TECO can use the systems virtual memory to edit files
of any size, or it can use the traditional page techniques to maintain
a very small footprint.
Is TECO fast?
Yes, it's probably the fastest editor available
Must I use a mouse in the Microsoft Windows version of TECO?
No, every command can be issued with the keyboard. In fact, every
command must be issued with the keyboard because TECO does not use
the mouse at all.
Does TECO have a macro language?
Yes, and it is the same as the command language, and very powerful.
How much does TECO cost?
It's free!
--
========
Tom Almy
Fluence Technology Incorporated
8700 SW Creekside Place
Beaverton, OR 97008
(503) 672-8721
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: 10 Apr 2001 17:18:19 +0100
>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Aaron> Which means that as soon as your on a new machine, your stuck
Aaron> editing WITHOUT your config file....
Aaron> UGH.
This is why God invented NFS mounted home spaces.
Phil
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From: Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:18:46 GMT
On 09 Apr 2001 11:45:18 -0500 esteemed Greg Copeland did'st hold forth thusly:
> Didn't read all of your requiremnets, but EMACS is THE editor. Like it
> or not, it what all other editors try to be. Period. That doesn't mean
> that it's for you, as it does have a rather steep learning curve, however,
> it is THE programmer's editor.
Greg,
I am suspicious of such claims because usually the person making them about
_any_ editor hasn't used all the top editors. Have you used a recent version of
CodeWright? Or of Visual Slick Edit? Which version if so?
I happen to use Visual Slick Edit now and think very highly of it. But I'm
reluctant to tell someone that it is better than Multi Edit or CodeWright or
some other competitor since my knowledge of those competitors is no longer
current.
How many people here have used the current latest version of even 2 major
editors?
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From: Aaron Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mmap fails after about 2GB
Date: 10 Apr 2001 16:21:20 GMT
At work, I have a 4GB system with 2.4.3 running on it. I've compiled
with 4GB support, and indeed the system sees 4GB, but when I run
my program it fails. The program is trying to mmap about 3GB of
files (ranging from a few MB to nearly a GB each).
The behavior is actually very interesting, since it succeeds on the
first few, then fails on a large file, then succeeds on a few small
files, and then fails for the rest.
Clearly, there is some overall process size limit that we're hitting,
but I can't find reference to how we would get around it.
I saw some comments about TASK_UNMAPPED_BASE, but it was not clear
if that would apply to 2.4, or how I would go about modifying this
or what safe values would be.
Modifying /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory did not help.
I'm really stabbing in the dark, because Linux VM is not my forte.
Any clues?
--
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men chunder?" -Men at Work
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From: Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:22:26 GMT
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:16:20 GMT esteemed Thore B. Karlsen did'st hold forth
thusly:
> Sure, Emacs is configurable, but only with a lot of work. And even then it
> might not be the right editor for you, so it's not the right answer for
> everyone.
The reason I've never tried Emacs is that some of the people who have claim that
it is hard to configure. Then you find people who say it is easy to configure
but one has no way of knowing how long they've used it and how long it took them
to get to the point where they'd call it easy.
I want to install an editor, go to a menu pop-down that is labelled something
like "Key Mappings" and then get a dialog box that has radio buttons or a combo
box that lets me select from a half dozen popular key mappings (vi, Brief, CUA,
etc). If it requires downloading separate Lisp scripts and trying to understand
the guts of hacked up Lisp macros to get it to work right then I'm really not
interested.
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From: "tlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Quesion about precise time control
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:30:00 -0600
I need to get a very small time interval inside the kernel, such as 300
microsecond.
If I use jiffies and HZ (which is 100 in my system), I can only get 10
millisecond
time interval.
I guess we should be able to control precise time intervals in side the
Linux kernel by
timer interruptions. But I have no idea of this time interruption. Is there
anyone who
knows something on this issue? Thanks for advices!
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From: Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:31:27 GMT
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:00:03 GMT esteemed JLI did'st hold forth thusly:
> For simple editing work vi is properly the best tool on UNIX.
Does it do color syntax coding or language and library sensitive code expansion?
Its been a long time since I used vi and it was the second editor I learned to
use. But I think perhaps I should learn it again to help when administering
Linux and Unix boxes.
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From: Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:34:07 GMT
On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:41:02 GMT esteemed Skybuck did'st hold forth thusly:
> Let me just say I love textpad 4.
Is this free?
On what operating systems?
Where's it available from?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:44:48 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:23:33 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Greg Copeland wrote:
>>
>> Knowledge Seeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> Didn't read all of your requiremnets, but EMACS is THE editor. Like it
>> or not, it what all other editors try to be. Period. That doesn't mean
>> that it's for you, as it does have a rather steep learning curve, however,
>> it is THE programmer's editor.
>
>No, no, no, no, no.
>
>Ed is THE editor.
>==================
>http://www.billabong.demon.co.uk/ed.html
>
>
>When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi
>*and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like,
>'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor
>that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
Good god man! At least get yourself an ADM3A terminal and
a 300 baud.... :-)
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- that's just so 80's
EAC code #191 4d:06h:36m actually running Linux.
The Usenet channel. All messages, all the time.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:52:24 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom Almy wrote:
>Only for UNIX hackers. For the rest of the world, THE editor is
>TECO. What other editor handles paper tape so easily? TECO has
>withstood the test of time. Get it (free) here:
IIRC, Emacs was originaly a set of TECO macros, wasn't it?
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I have a VISION! It's
at a RANCID double-FISHWICH on
visi.com an ENRICHED BUN!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Linux emulator for Linux, does this exist?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:03:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development.system Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Yes. You can run multiple instances of Linux on an IBM 390.
Why do I have the feeling that the S/390 isn't exactly in the
price range that the OP was talking about? :)
--
Jeff Gentry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SEX DRUGS UNIX
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:59:50 -0400
Phillip Lord wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Aaron> Which means that as soon as your on a new machine, your stuck
> Aaron> editing WITHOUT your config file....
>
> Aaron> UGH.
>
> This is why God invented NFS mounted home spaces.
>
> Phil
And if your behind a corporate firewall which doesn't permit
NFS connections through it....
>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:04:05 -0400
Randall Parker wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:00:03 GMT esteemed JLI did'st hold forth thusly:
> > For simple editing work vi is properly the best tool on UNIX.
>
> Does it do color syntax coding or language and library sensitive code expansion?
>
> Its been a long time since I used vi and it was the second editor I learned to
> use. But I think perhaps I should learn it again to help when administering
> Linux and Unix boxes.
vim does.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:06:22 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:23:33 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Greg Copeland wrote:
> >>
> >> Knowledge Seeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> Didn't read all of your requiremnets, but EMACS is THE editor. Like it
> >> or not, it what all other editors try to be. Period. That doesn't mean
> >> that it's for you, as it does have a rather steep learning curve, however,
> >> it is THE programmer's editor.
> >
> >No, no, no, no, no.
> >
> >Ed is THE editor.
> >==================
> >http://www.billabong.demon.co.uk/ed.html
> >
> >
> >When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi
> >*and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like,
> >'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor
> >that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
>
> Good god man! At least get yourself an ADM3A terminal and
> a 300 baud.... :-)
I miss those old ADM terminals.
Of course, I also miss the teletypes.
Both have their strengths.
>
> [rest snipped]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- that's just so 80's
> EAC code #191 4d:06h:36m actually running Linux.
> The Usenet channel. All messages, all the time.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Selbach Teixeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: 10 Apr 2001 14:10:04 -0300
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Randall Parker wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:00:03 GMT esteemed JLI did'st hold forth
>> thusly:
>> > For simple editing work vi is properly the best tool on UNIX.
>>
>> Does it do color syntax coding or language and library sensitive
>> code expansion?
>>
>> Its been a long time since I used vi and it was the second editor I
>> learned to use. But I think perhaps I should learn it again to help
>> when administering Linux and Unix boxes.
>
> vim does.
>
And it sucks too! The obvious choice is (and always will be) FSF Emacs!
--
Roberto Selbach Teixeira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Conectiva, S.A. http://www.conectiva.com
"You don't *learn* emacs, you learn *from* emacs."
-- Alain Picard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Quesion about precise time control
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:28:35 -0000
In article <9avcer$gu7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, tlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I need to get a very small time interval inside the kernel, such as 300
>microsecond.
Have you tried usleep(300)?
--
http://www.spinics.net/linux/
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: 10 Apr 2001 18:36:18 +0100
>>>>> "Randall" == Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randall> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:16:20 GMT esteemed Thore B. Karlsen
Randall> did'st hold forth thusly:
>> Sure, Emacs is configurable, but only with a lot of work. And
>> even then it might not be the right editor for you, so it's not
>> the right answer for everyone.
Randall> The reason I've never tried Emacs is that some of the
Randall> people who have claim that it is hard to configure. Then
Randall> you find people who say it is easy to configure but one has
Randall> no way of knowing how long they've used it and how long it
Randall> took them to get to the point where they'd call it easy.
Randall> I want to install an editor, go to a menu pop-down that is
Randall> labelled something like "Key Mappings" and then get a
Randall> dialog box that has radio buttons or a combo box that lets
Randall> me select from a half dozen popular key mappings (vi,
Randall> Brief, CUA, etc). If it requires downloading separate Lisp
Randall> scripts and trying to understand the guts of hacked up Lisp
Randall> macros to get it to work right then I'm really not
Randall> interested.
The thing with emacs is that there is little difference
between "configuring" and "programming" it. Its possible therefore to
configure it to an arbitrary degree of complexity.
If you want to "configure" emacs so that for instance as well
as being an editor it can also parse Java source, provide method
completion, auto Javadoc look up and so forth then its actually fairly
hard and will take a lot of work. But you can do it. Fortunately for
me some has done it, and this is available for others to use
(http://jde.sunsite.dk).
If you want to pretty GUI dialog boxes then emacs does not
do this (although xemacs, and the newer version of emacs does). It
does have a text based configuration system (xemacs, and the newer
version of emacs use toolkit widgets if they are available).
So you have the options there. The reason that many people
use lisp to configure (myself included) is that they want to perform
complex configuration. Emacs does now provide click and point options
which is good. But something like the command line I'm glad that the
lisp is still there for when I want it.
Phil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: A Linux emulator for Linux, does this exist?
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:39:51 GMT
In article <h1HA6.394$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.development.system Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Yes. You can run multiple instances of Linux on an IBM 390.
>
>Why do I have the feeling that the S/390 isn't exactly in the
>price range that the OP was talking about? :)
Replacing two PCs with a 390 may not be feasible. It would be
interesting to see an analysis of where the break-even point
is. 50 PC's? 1000 PD's?
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm ANN LANDERS!! I
at can SHOPLIFT!!
visi.com
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
24hoursupport.helpdesk,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: 10 Apr 2001 18:37:33 +0100
>>>>> "Randall" == Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randall> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:00:03 GMT esteemed JLI did'st hold
Randall> forth thusly:
>> For simple editing work vi is properly the best tool on UNIX.
Randall> Does it do color syntax coding or language and library
Randall> sensitive code expansion?
Randall> Its been a long time since I used vi and it was the second
Randall> editor I learned to use. But I think perhaps I should learn
Randall> it again to help when administering Linux and Unix boxes.
I dont think that VI per se day, but I am fairly sure
that VIM, and other extended versions of VI do.
Phil
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From: Tom Almy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
24hoursupport.helpdesk,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:51:00 -0700
Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom Almy wrote:
>
> >Only for UNIX hackers. For the rest of the world, THE editor is
> >TECO. What other editor handles paper tape so easily? TECO has
> >withstood the test of time. Get it (free) here:
>
> IIRC, Emacs was originaly a set of TECO macros, wasn't it?
Yes (although I understand it was a special version of TECO).
This goes to show the power of mighty TECO!
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Tom Almy
Fluence Technology Incorporated
8700 SW Creekside Place
Beaverton, OR 97008
(503) 672-8721
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