Linux-Hardware Digest #686, Volume #9 Wed, 17 Mar 99 21:13:23 EST
Contents:
Parameters for an old Canon hard drive ("Peter B. Yorke")
Re: Information about HP 695C (Dirk Hartmann)
Q:Video capture for Linux (Human)
Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls flat)
(Zenin)
Re: Hardware RAID-controllers supported under Linux. ("Jim Pappe")
Re: SMC EZ ethernet card trouble (Akira Yamanita)
Re: Parameters for an old Canon hard drive ("Michael W. Ryder")
Re: Supermicro S2DGE + Xeon problems (Akira Yamanita)
Re: ATI Xpert@Play 98 AGP (Mike Simpson)
celeron 300a vs 333, 366, 400... celerons (dsyates)
Re: "Select the application, and then the platform" ("Tom Emerson")
Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls flat)
(Steffen Kluge)
Re: HP Omnibook 800 CT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Dell Inspiron 7k (BigKingFrg)
Re: UDMA and Asus P5A (Scott Hunter)
Looking to buy Linux-compatible TV card (CoRey)
Re: celeron 300a vs 333, 366, 400... celerons (Greg Yantz)
ATI Xpert@Play 98 AGP (Rustan LeBaron)
Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session (Steffen Kluge)
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From: "Peter B. Yorke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Parameters for an old Canon hard drive
Date: 18 Mar 1999 00:13:54 GMT
Would anybody happen to know what CMOS setting I need to use so my PC
can see an old Canon 486v hard drive?
I guess it's so old that the automatic detect doesn't. I'm hoping someone
out there in LinuxLand either has one and can look at their CMS settings
or has a book on the subject...
Thanks,
Pete Yorke
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Dirk Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Information about HP 695C
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:13:23 +0100
Glen L. Spangler wrote:
>
> Fagni Tiziano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Is this printer compatible with Linux? Thanks for help.
>
> I have the same question concerning the HP697C.
...just an annotation: use the cdj550 driver
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Human)
Subject: Q:Video capture for Linux
Date: 18 Mar 1999 00:25:18 GMT
Anyone know what or which hardware did Linux support doing video
capture? Like Tekram C210, Flyview Video, Winview 601....etc.etc... And
any application can make use of them? I know the Matrox rainbow runner
won't work, but what is other choice?!?
TIA for any information provided.
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From: Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls
flat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: 17 Mar 99 14:31:54 GMT
In comp.lang.java.advocacy Steve Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Zenin wrote:
:> Sorry, complex systems require training. Even simple systems
:> require training.
:
: True, true, but the whole point of computerization is to make labor saving
: devices.
Do not make the mistake that "easy to learn" means that it is
"efficient to use".
I prefer CLI for many tasks *BECAUSE* it saves me quite a bit of
labor. Even very common, simple things like:
$ for file in `find . -name '*.html'`; do $EDITOR $file; done
Is that an "easy to learn" interface? No, not at all. However,
once it's learned it saves *TONS* of labor. And no, the above can
not *in any way* be done in an "easy to learn" interface simply
because next week I'll want to do:
$ for dir in `find . -type d`; do
> mkdir $dir/icons
> for image in `find $dir -name '*.jpg'`; do
> convert -geometry 64x64 $image $dir/icons/`basename $image`
> done
> done
You can make all the easy to learn GUI tools you like, but they will
*never* be more efficient or labor saving to use for many (most?)
tasks then similar CLI tools, simple because it is *impossible* for
you or anyone else to keep up with the needs of the user from one
minute to the next.
And yes, I and thousands of other "archaic" CLI users do type stuff
like the above off the top of our heads on command lines all day
long. Most of us are not "programmers" or "expert computer users"
by any stretch either.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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From: "Jim Pappe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hardware RAID-controllers supported under Linux.
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:02:50 -0800
Here's an option using SCSI and not PCI:
Our Enterprise RAID systems range from 66GB up to terabyte and do RAID
levels 0/5. The solution is hardware-based RAID, and will work with any
host/NOS that supports wide SCSI. The enclosures are made specifically for
RAID: they have hot-swappable trays, fans and power supplies. Very clean!
Our 66GB array starts off at $4995. 150GB is just under $9K. Rackmounts are
also available.
Check out the Entreprise RAID at our web site under Enterprise:
http://www.dynamicnetworkfactory.com
Jim Pappe
Dynamic Network Factory
510-733-0103
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7clma1$2g9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I'm trying to find out which hardware PCI-controllers are supported under
>Linux. Can anyone tell me some options for hardware RAID-systems that will
>work under Linux?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Arjan
>
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SMC EZ ethernet card trouble
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:01:41 GMT
Kurt Bussche wrote:
> Has anyone run intot a problem getting one of those inexpensize NE2000
> compatable ethernet cards by SMC?? I hav a PCI one which it deteced
> fine (5.2 Apollo Release) and I cant even get it to send a signal
> through the wire.
> Just to rule out one possibilty the card works fine under windows.
>
> If this is a incompatible card.... What kind of cards do you know of
> work well with the OS.
>
> Thanks
> Kurt
By SMC EZ.. which one are you referring to? I use the SMC EZ 10/100.
There's also the EtherEZ and the EZ 10. The SMC EZ 10/100 uses the
realtek chipset. I compiled the drivers into the kernel by enabling
development so I can use those beta drivers. You'll see the option for
the Realtek 8039/8139. That's the one you want to use if you have the
same card that I do. The name of the driver is rtl8039.c in case you're
interested in compiling it as a module (why?) Hope this helps.
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From: "Michael W. Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Parameters for an old Canon hard drive
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:27:19 -0800
Check http://blue-planet.com/tech/index.html (The Tech Page). They have
the settings for a lot of old and new drives.
Michael W. Ryder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Peter B. Yorke" wrote:
>
> Would anybody happen to know what CMOS setting I need to use so my PC
> can see an old Canon 486v hard drive?
>
> I guess it's so old that the automatic detect doesn't. I'm hoping someone
> out there in LinuxLand either has one and can look at their CMS settings
> or has a book on the subject...
>
> Thanks,
> Pete Yorke
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.supermicro,comp.sys.intel,redhat.hardware.arch.intel,rochester.roadrunner.misc
Subject: Re: Supermicro S2DGE + Xeon problems
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:04:55 GMT
Michael Lillie wrote:
> "T.D. Brace" wrote:
>
> > It seems to run OK for about 3-4 minutes, then the video goes, and
> > the system is dead - the power is still on. Same thing happens in
> > both Linux and windows95. Right now, I can't get it to come back
> > on at all (boot and get video that is - the power does come on).
>
> Could be a bad graphics board. Do you have access to another card to try and
> see if you still have the same problem?
>
> I may be wrong, it could be anything. I know on my brothers P-II his
> AGP graphic card went bad and he started getting a "Missing or corrupted file
> command.com" when he booted up. He switched to a new card and Windows boots
> up fine. Can't remember what the AGP card was, been awhile. Been trying to
> get him to use Linux. He's started to get really frustrated with Win 98, so
> he may be ordering SUSE 6.0 like I did.
>
> Michael.
Also remember to check for boot up sounds. Hard drive access, startup beeps,
etc. If you normally get beeps on startup and there are none, that's a red
flag. Also, if the beeps are unusual, that's also a signal. That also sounds
like it could be the motherboard. Hell, computers are so flaky you can't really
be sure of what it is. I've seen plenty of wierd things at my job (P.C. tech).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Simpson)
Subject: Re: ATI Xpert@Play 98 AGP
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:05:09 GMT
I have this card and it's working fine - I'm also running Red Hat 5.2,
with KDE. I used Xconfigurator to set the video mode, having just
installed Linux last weekend (I'm just now learning my way around).
I'm not sure what version of XFree86 I have (I'm in Windows at the
moment), but I'll check. It should be whatever version came with Red
Hat.
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:10:29 -0700, Rustan LeBaron
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have an ATI Xpert@play 98 AGP w/ 8 meg RAM, and I cannot get it
>configured with XF86Setup...I have tried multiple configurations, does
>anyone out there have this card configured correctly on their Linux box?
>I am using Redhat 5.2, and XFree86 3.3.2 - I have 3.3.3.1 available but
>I haven't upgraded yet. Will I have more success getting my card to work
>with 3.3.3.1??
>
>Please help,
>RL
Mike Simpson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: dsyates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: celeron 300a vs 333, 366, 400... celerons
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:48:56 -0500
I keep hearing what a good deal the celerons(with 128 l2 cache are). But
all I here about is the 300a. Is this because it is the cheapest, or the
easiest to overclock ?Why would someone recommend the 300 a over the
333, 366, 400, or 450 celerons, with cache, if I were to purchase one of
these, what motherboard should I buy?
Opinions on the longevity of slot 1 vs socket 370's would also be
appreciated. Some celerons run on socket 370, right? Which should I opt
for?
why should I get a celeron instead of an amd k6-2 or -3. or a p2 for
that matter?
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From: "Tom Emerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: "Select the application, and then the platform"
Date: 18 Mar 1999 01:14:18 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in article <7colnn$p5a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.hardware didst Todd Bandrowsky
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> :>I guess you've never heard of MOTIF. Funny thing I was always required
to
> : follow the MOTIF >standard for dialogs and used the core widgets for
say an
> : open file dialog.
>
> : If MOTIF is so prevalent on Unix, then why do all X applications look
> : different? Why do I have a bunch of different X apps on my Linux box
that
> : all have different styles of FILE | OPEN. Heck. skip that even. Why
does
> : every one have completely different menus?
>
> Motif is the widget set.
> It's the application writer who decides what menus will hold what options
> and where they're going to be.
>
> The only thing Motif (or any other widget set) disctates is what the
buttons
> will look like, and how they react to being pressed...
I fear this is going way wide of the topic's relevance in the
...linux.hardware group I'm reading this in [not to mention the advocacy
groups], but this last comment seems to explain a problem I'm having with X
at the moment: One application I'm running (freeciv, to be exact) has
"menus" that are coded as macintosh-style menus, i.e., click/hold on the
menu button to bring up the menu, drag down to the menu item you're
interested in, then release to select. This is all fine and dandy when it
works, but on occaision, "something" goes awry and I end up with a case
where "dragging" doesn't select anything -- restarting the app doesn't work
either, I have to COMPLETELY exit X and restart it.
Is this a case where the "widget" of a menu is set to react this way
[click/hold, drag, release] or of the person writing the app coding to
react to "events" in this manner? If it is the "widget" that is reacting
this way, what can I do to get a more PC-like menu that is
click-and-release to enable the menu, then move & click/release to select
an item [clicking away from the menu entirely to dismiss, rather than
releasing "off-menu" to dismiss]
I know this isn't controlled by the "window manager", because I've also run
the client on a win95 machine using a commercial "X" server for 95 -- this
ends up being REALLY strange because I'm not actually running a "window
manager" on this server, just the freeciv client... [which means I cannot
move/resize windows...]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffen Kluge)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls
flat)
Date: 18 Mar 1999 12:08:20 +1100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> $ for dir in `find . -type d`; do
> > mkdir $dir/icons
> > for image in `find $dir -name '*.jpg'`; do
> > convert -geometry 64x64 $image $dir/icons/`basename $image`
> > done
> > done
> And yes, I and thousands of other "archaic" CLI users do type stuff
> like the above off the top of our heads on command lines all day
> long.
Yes, because you don't really have to remember any of those
command lines as a whole. You just make them up as you go. This
is true communication between intelligible systems. You don't
have to learn and remember all sentences you are ever going to
use in inter-human communication either, do you? A GUI (at least
in the form commonly used nowadays) is just like that - a dialog
based on canned phrases, with no way of expressing anything that
hasn't been "pre-thought".
That's why the single most important X application is xterm (and
friends).
Cheers
Steffen.
--
Steffen Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fujitsu Australia Ltd
Keywords: photography, Mozart, UNIX, Islay Malt, dark skies
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HP Omnibook 800 CT
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:10:15 GMT
Hi, Andreas,
I've been running Linux on my HP 800ct since this past September. In the
beginning, I had trouble getting X Windows to work 'cuz NeoMagic was really
stiff about their specs. I finally stumbled upon www.precisioninsight.com ( a
God-send really), and they have pretty much all you need for setting up X
Windows on a computer with NeoMagic video cards. I'm still working on getting
the sound card configured. The card is supposedly a SoundBlasterPro, but
sndconfig can't seem to sense the PnP card. -Winston Chow
In article <7c5qgf$48k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Andreas Gartner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi out there,
>
> is there any experience whether one can install Linux on the HP 800 CT ?
> This little machine is now that cheap that I think about buying one. But it
> makes no sense for me if one gets stuck with Gates famous operating systems.
>
> Appreciate your insights
>
> Andreas Gartner
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BigKingFrg)
Subject: Dell Inspiron 7k
Date: 18 Mar 1999 01:57:03 GMT
Could anyone tell me how to get X windows to run on my Dell Inp. 7k w/ the
14.1" screen, as far as the horiz. and vert. sync ranges are concerned?
Also im running Redhat 5.1 and i would like to know what ethernet/modems will
work under Linus--the Megaherts 10 Mbps/56k in particular--or somewhere that i
could find a list?
Thanks y'all.
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From: Scott Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: hunterATvsinc.com
Subject: Re: UDMA and Asus P5A
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:20:15 -0800
Geoff Shukin wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am wanting to learn more about Linux and the use of
> UDMA (UDMA2) drives on my system.
. . .
> Is there a resource available that might explain this more thoroughly?
> Could there be a bug or incompatibility with the Asus P5A and the Kernel
> version I am using (RedHat 5.2 , no mods)?
>
> Thanks
>
> Geoff
Geoff,
An upgrade to the 2.2 kernel will get your P5A to work with UDMA. I wasn't
able to get UDMA going on my P5A with the 2.0.36. I tried to patch it up
to
using the UDMA code but failed. (FWIW my disk is a Seagate).
Good luck,
SAH
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CoRey)
Subject: Looking to buy Linux-compatible TV card
Date: 18 Mar 1999 01:21:55 GMT
I found some web pages relating to X windows programs which let
you watch TV in an X window, or in full screen mode. I'm interested
in buying a TV card now; my "real" TV is only 12 inches, and the
picture is really crappy.
I'm looking for recommendations on specific TV cards known to work with
Linux. I want to stay away from any 'WinTV' cards that only work
with Windows. It looks like ATI is one such manufacturer to stay
away from. Also, do these cards mostly come as ISA or PCI cards?
I'm running out of ISA slots, so PCI is preferable.
Also, I'm wondering what type of load a TV card program would
incur on my system. I have a Pentium-166 with 64Megs of ram.
What % of CPU would such an application eat? I use a little 386
laptop connected as a dumb terminal, so in the future, I could
watch TV in fullscreen mode and continue to use text mode on
the laptop.
--
Corey Carroll
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: celeron 300a vs 333, 366, 400... celerons
Date: 17 Mar 1999 21:10:37 -0500
dsyates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I keep hearing what a good deal the celerons(with 128 l2 cache are). But
> all I here about is the 300a. Is this because it is the cheapest, or the
> easiest to overclock ?Why would someone recommend the 300 a over the
> 333, 366, 400, or 450 celerons, with cache, if I were to purchase one of
> these, what motherboard should I buy?
People recommend the 300A because it is the most likely to successfully
overclock. Remember, Celerons are multiplier locked. It normally runs at
66x4.5, and is fairly likely to run stably at 100x4.5
The 333 is unlikely to work at 5x100, but it has been known to happen.
The 366 and 400, well fat chance. There is no official 450- if you
hear someone talk about a 450, it's an overclocked 300.
> Opinions on the longevity of slot 1 vs socket 370's would also be
> appreciated. Some celerons run on socket 370, right? Which should I opt
> for?
It looks like current Socket 370 mb's have as much life as current
Slot 1 mb's. Realistically speaking, when technology has progressed
enough that you'd upgrade processors, technology has also progressed
enough that you *really* want a new motherboard.
The real advantages of Slot 1 are that you can switch to a "real" PII
if you like, when they get cheap (they're no longer in production, AFAIK)
and you have the dual CPU option.
The advantage of Socket 370 is that it's easier to keep the CPU cool.
Also, a socket 370 mb and cpu may prove to be slightly cheaper than the
direct Slot 1 equivalent. Just don't, in the name of all that which does
not suck, buy a ZX chipset mb- boycott insulting crippleware. It's also
easier to find socketed 300A's. ;)
> why should I get a celeron instead of an amd k6-2 or -3. or a p2 for
> that matter?
Because it performs better for the price. Basically, Intel is taking really
fast CPU's, crippling them (underclocking) and then dumping them at really
cheap prices in order to kill AMD.
If you want a good value without risk, buy AMD. If you want the *most*
performance for the money and are willing to take a little risk (overclocking
a 300A is *not* a guaranteed sure thing), buy a Celeron. If you have too much
money, or need the highest level of performance and money is not an issue,
buy a PII, or PIII or (got forbid) Xeon.
-Greg
P.S. My new machine is a 300A / BM6 mb combo (socket 370, BX chipset)
running at 450. My old machine is a K6-2-300 (at 300). I was very pleased
with both purchases.
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From: Rustan LeBaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ATI Xpert@Play 98 AGP
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:10:29 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have an ATI Xpert@play 98 AGP w/ 8 meg RAM, and I cannot get it
configured with XF86Setup...I have tried multiple configurations, does
anyone out there have this card configured correctly on their Linux box?
I am using Redhat 5.2, and XFree86 3.3.2 - I have 3.3.3.1 available but
I haven't upgraded yet. Will I have more success getting my card to work
with 3.3.3.1??
Please help,
RL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffen Kluge)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session
Date: 18 Mar 1999 12:17:07 +1100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
M. le Rutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hey! I did not say that MS windows is easy to use, au contraire! I just
>don't buy that Linux is ready for Joe Average at home.
I'd say the French language isn't ready for Joa Average at home.
It's far too complicated to learn. But wait, there are millions
of Joe Averages speaking French in France (and elsewhere)... Hmm...
;-)
Cheers
Steffen.
--
Steffen Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fujitsu Australia Ltd
Keywords: photography, Mozart, UNIX, Islay Malt, dark skies
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