Linux-Hardware Digest #692, Volume #9 Thu, 18 Mar 99 16:13:39 EST
Contents:
Asus Riva TNT on Red Hat 5.0 (Hurricane) ("qwerty")
Re: Canon BJC 5000 (Grant Taylor)
Re: STB nVidia AGP Card Problem (Manfred Becker)
video tools of X11 application. (william)
Re: Need driver for Intel 82558 ethernet interface (COLIN Stephane)
Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session (jedi)
Re: Q: mem=64M in lilo.conf (dangerous???) (Thomas Zajic)
Re: Asus Riva TNT on Red Hat 5.0 (Hurricane) ("Crusher!")
Re: Monitor Frequency (Xwindows) (Swietanowski Artur)
Re: Looking to buy Linux-compatible TV card
How about this modem?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Dual Pentium II support. (Nils Martin Fredriksen)
Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls flat)
(jedi)
Turtle Beach Systems Montego II PCI Audio Card and sndconfig... (William O'Neal)
Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls flat)
("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: Riva TNT (Thomas Zajic)
Re: Anyone have any experience with Intel DK440LX motherboard and CELERON?
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
anyone see EISA motherboards for sale anywhere?? ("Colonel Panic�")
Sony Monitor Setup (Tomasz Lukasiak)
Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session (Bill Anderson)
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From: "qwerty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Asus Riva TNT on Red Hat 5.0 (Hurricane)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:28:32 +0200
Hi there!
Does anyone know how to make a Riva TNT with 16MBs (Asus, Creative or
Diamond) graphics card work on Red Hat 5.0.
(I want to see more than 16 colours).
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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canon BJC 5000
Date: 18 Mar 1999 14:00:21 -0500
"not" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know if this is supported? Where could I find a driver?
The BJC-5000 is currently listed as a paperweight in the Printing
HOWTO's compatibility listing. I didn't put it there, so that is a
probably a report from someone else who has one.
I would love to hear otherwise, of course; if anyone has anything to
add, please add it to the database at
http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi
--
Grant Taylor - gtaylor@picante<dot>com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
Cellphone information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/cell/
Libretto information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/
Linux Printing HOWTO: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/
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From: Manfred Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: STB nVidia AGP Card Problem
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:04:01 +0100
Peder wrote:
> Rob Smallwood wrote:
> > Gues what, it doesn't work.
> >
> > I've re-installed the X Window server to use the SVGA binaries and all
> > that happens is that the screen flashes with the login prompt and you
> > can't get any further.....
>
I�m using STB Velocity 4400 with SVGA X-server. Works fine.
Do you have the latest XF86 (3.3.3.1) ?
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From: william <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: video tools of X11 application.
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:28:54 GMT
Hy !
I would like to have information about a X11 application. I need to set color
incrustation on a video application. I have a capture card and I want to add
text on the screen where the color of the video is the one I decided (like
meteo). If somebody has already work on it, thanks for giving informations.
Will
William CATHERINE linux-worker
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From: COLIN Stephane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need driver for Intel 82558 ethernet interface
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:41:39 +0100
Tom and Eva McGuigan wrote:
> I am trying to install Redhat 5.2 on a Compaq Professional Workstation
> AP400. I can't get Linux to recognize the ethernet interface.
>
> Compaq lists the interface as a Compaq NC3161 Fast Ethernet 10/100 WOL,
> based on the Intell 82558 chipset. The I/O Address is listed as
> autoconfigured.
> Does anyone know how I can get Linux to recongize the interface?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Mcguigan
Try to compil the kernel with support for :
[*] PCI Ethernet adapters
<*> Intel EtherExpressPro PCI 10+/100B/100+ support
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:40:43 -0800
On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:45:06 GMT, Jeff McWilliams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Szarka wrote:
>>On a fresh redhat 5.2 install doing rpm installs resulted in many
>>broken dependencies. It's just as annoying as the windows DLL mess.
>
>Keep in mind that this is distribution specific. I don't know anything about
>REDHAT as I don't use that distribution. But I do know Debian. Debian's
>equivalent of RPM is dpkg, and there is a higher level installation utility
>called dselect that lets you select lists of packages to install and it'll
>help you figure out the dependency issues. The Debian people have been
>very good about embedding dependency information inside their .DEB files.
>(The equivalent of .RPM packages in RedHat) If I try to install,
>for example, xbase-3.3.2.deb it'll make sure I have xlib6g-3.3.2.deb installed
>first. If I don't, it'll tell me I have a problem before proceeding with
>configuring the package I tried to install. It's a great feature.
I believe this is the process he is comparing with *dll hell.
>Debian CD's, as well as Debian's web page, gives you the dependency
>information for every package available. Since I find dselect clumsy to use
>(they're supposed to be improving this with a new utility called apt) I just
>use dpkg to pick and choose which .deb's i wish to install by hand. With the
>dependency information in there it's pretty close to fool proof.
>
>
>You're right though, that Microsoft DLL's aren't much different than .so
>shared libs under Linux. The problem with Microsoft software is that
>Microsoft encourages developers to include system DLL's in their software
>installations if they're required by the application. No version
>interdependency checking is done when this occurs. At best, the newest
>version of a DLL almost always gets installed, whether it's compatible with
>the rest of the system or not. I've seen people right in my own company
>seriously hose a computer's TCP/IP capabilities because Installshield Express
>thought a Visual Basic project needed WININET.DLL. Installing a new copy of
>that, however, breaks SHLWAPI.DLL (er something like that) in a way that
>breaks a lot of TCP/IP functionality without warning the user.
>
>This practice is unheard of using the Debian system. An installation of the
>mail reader elm, for instance, won't include the mime-support libs just
>because it supports mime. You go back to Debian for the mime-support libs,
>and dpkg makes sure the mime-support libs and the elm package are compatible
>with the rest of the libs on your system before installing.
[deletia]
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From: Thomas Zajic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q: mem=64M in lilo.conf (dangerous???)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:48:45 GMT
Steve Browne wrote:
> Add:
> append="mem=64MB"
> to lilo.conf. Not dangerous.
And not too helpful in this case, I think - no offense though! ;-)
This rather sounds like the BIOS "Memory hole at 15-16MB" or the
"Limit memory to lower 16MB" kernel compilation option. The lilo
append thing only comes in _above_ 64MB, IIRC, 64MB should also
be detected fine with older BIOS and kernel (<= 2.0.35) versions.
Thomas
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From: "Crusher!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Asus Riva TNT on Red Hat 5.0 (Hurricane)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:23:12 -0700
If your using Xfree, you'll need to update it to the latest version
(3.3.3.1). Then just grab the SVGA Server off of their site
(www.xfree86.org), and you should be all set. The SVGA Server supports all
RivaTNT based cards in the 3.3.3.1 (and later) version.
Hope that helps.
qwerty wrote in message <7cr9gb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi there!
>
>Does anyone know how to make a Riva TNT with 16MBs (Asus, Creative or
>Diamond) graphics card work on Red Hat 5.0.
>(I want to see more than 16 colours).
>
>
>
>
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From: Swietanowski Artur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Monitor Frequency (Xwindows)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:41:42 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I've got a problem...
> When trying to set up Xwindows in SUSE linux v.6 I have problmes getting my
> monitor (and graphics card) to display resolutions of over 640*480
>
> I manage fine in WIndows 95 with a frequency of 60Mhz, but when setting up in
> SaX I can only choose resolutions at 75Mhz. How can I change this?
XFree86 comes with a few other setup programs (I don't know Suse,
but I assume SaX is their 'value added' tool). If Suse didn't remove
them from the distribution, you should have Xconfigurator, XF86Setup
and maybe more (I used them very few times - just to set up X once
or twice - so I don't remeber the names very well).
Hope this help,
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Institut fuer Statistik, Operations Research und Computerverfahren,
Universitaet Wien, Universitaetsstr. 5, A-1010 Wien, Austria
tel. +43 (1) 427 738 620 fax +43 (1) 427 738 629
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Looking to buy Linux-compatible TV card
Date: 18 Mar 1999 09:06:20 GMT
On 18 Mar 1999 01:21:55 GMT, CoRey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I found some web pages relating to X windows programs which let
>you watch TV in an X window, or in full screen mode. I'm interested
>in buying a TV card now; my "real" TV is only 12 inches, and the
>picture is really crappy.
>
>I'm looking for recommendations on specific TV cards known to work with
>Linux. I want to stay away from any 'WinTV' cards that only work
>with Windows. It looks like ATI is one such manufacturer to stay
>away from. Also, do these cards mostly come as ISA or PCI cards?
>I'm running out of ISA slots, so PCI is preferable.
My Hauppauge WinTV/pci works quite nicely. It's PCI, and very well
supported.
>Also, I'm wondering what type of load a TV card program would
>incur on my system. I have a Pentium-166 with 64Megs of ram.
>What % of CPU would such an application eat? I use a little 386
>laptop connected as a dumb terminal, so in the future, I could
>watch TV in fullscreen mode and continue to use text mode on
>the laptop.
The load it incurs is below 0.1, so that's not a problem. For
more information check out
http://www.thp.uni-koeln.de/~rjkm/linux/bttv.html
for more information.
Bas Vermeulen
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If I wanted to kill a battleship, I'd use a shitload of
Harpoons. -- Paul Tomblin
NT is a lot cheaper. -- Petro
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How about this modem??
Date: 18 Mar 1999 11:12:50 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was browsing at the local computer shop today
and saw this modem.
It is a Motorola Maxsenger (yes that's the way it's
spelled) with voice. It seems to be designed around
a motorola ASIC. The big chip has the Motorola logo
and name. Among the requirments and features it
says that it has a virtual 16550 UART. It claims
compatibility with win95 and WinNT. It has an
ISA bus interface. THis has me intrieqed. WHat
i think I'm looking at is a DSP based modem.
The Uart functions are programed into the DSP.
Anyone know if this will work or can be made to
work.
It would be great if it can since it's selling for
$39.00. The 3com modems are selling for over
$100.00 I'm told.
--
Gordon
PS:
To reply: replace 'X.bleeb' with 'greeder'.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nils Martin Fredriksen)
Subject: Re: Dual Pentium II support.
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:21:26 GMT
Andrea Borsic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:
>Hi,
>
>I'm looking to buy a fast machine for scientific calculation pourposes.
>For some constraints I'm looking to an Intel platform, so I cannot go
>Alpha.
>
>The idea is to buy a dual pentium II machine ( Dell Workstaion series
>210 ).
>
>The problem is this: will Linux support this machine?
>
>What matherboard chipset/BIOS is supported for SMP?
>
>Is there any standard for SMP motherboards?
>
>Any information about SMP motherboards/BIOSes is welcome.
>
>Thanks very much.
Yes, most probable. Check out the SMP FAQ for information on Linux and
mulitprocessor systems: http://www.irisa.fr/prive/mentre/smp-faq/
or its american mirror: http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/
I would in fact be more worried about support for the graphics card
and maybe the integrated network controller.
Nils Martin Fredriksen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls
flat)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:44:42 -0800
On 18 Mar 1999 03:52:00 -0600, Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:01:44 +0100, Robb Shecter
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>:Gerhard Traeger wrote:
>:
>:> On 14 Mar 1999 01:49:07 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Szarka) wrote:
>:>
>:> > Problem: I want to change my resolution.
>:>
>:> > Linux:
>:> > Edit config files and god know's what else
>:>
>:> He?
>:> Where�ve you got this one?
>:> Changing spatial resolution for X-servers is done by pressing
>:> <Ctrl>+<Alt>+<Num "+"> or <Ctrl>+<Alt>+<Num "-">
>:>
>:> Way simpler than searching for the "desktop - properties - settlings" icons!
>:>
>:
>:No, I don't think this is "way simpler". (Me: longtime linux user, admin,
>:hacker, programmer, etc.) The poster has a -very- valid point that system
>:configuration needs to have a canonical and easy to drill-down interface. A key
>:sequence is bad, because you have to memorize it. It's also bad because it's
>:hard to document. (Where -is- it documented? By whom? The Linux distribution
>:maker, or XFree, or the window manager programmer?)
>:
>:Having configurations in one place (like, starting in the properties tool)
>:-eliminates- the need for documentation about where to find it. This is -the-
>:scalable solution. It's just good software engineering that something that
>:eliminates the need to document is usu. better.
>:
>:Although I'm an experienced Linux user, I wish that Linux was better in this
>:respect. Most people want to get a job done, or do their particular thing. For
>:me, that's doing OO programming on Linux. Every minute I spend learning how to
>:tune/configure X-Windows is a minute wasted.
>:
>:>
>:> Perhaps, before complaining about missing capabilities of linux,
>:> you should first try to ask how to do things properly.
>:>
>:
>:It's too bad that one -has- to ask how to change a system property...
>:
>:- Robb
>
>
>I'm not trying to get in on any religious war here. I'm not in anyway
>trying to disrespect linux but I think many long time linux users
>forget that people don't have the time to relearn all these things. I
>picked up the basics of linux, it wasn't for me. I plan to try it
>again when there is another big milestone.
>
>I just want to point out the flaws from an outsiders view, you guys
>talk about just rerunning your xconfigurator, sure it's not hard. I
>can even do it and i've only used linux a little bit, but do you
>really think your average computer user who plays quake and checks his
>mail could do this? I'm sure he *could* but he wouldn't want to, and
>he really shouldn't have to.
Considering that the motivations to switch videomodes
lessens considerably over time. This is not at all the
big problem that you make it out to be. Pedestrian users
are not making great use of that 'windows facility' to
begin with.
[deletia]
Nevermind that Xconfigurator is not at all complicated
to deal with. It's primary problem is the uglyiess of
it's character cell interface.
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:15:29 -0800
From: William O'Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Turtle Beach Systems Montego II PCI Audio Card and sndconfig...
i have the above sound card and have been having some trouble
configuring it. according to the redhat faq it's "officially"
not-supported but i was wondering if anyone has had any luck getting it
up and working.
when i run sndconfig i get the following error:
The follorwin error occured running the modprobe program:
/lib/modules/preferred/misc/m
snd_classic.o: init_module:
Device or resource busy
thanks,
wil
--
MulchMagazine (www.mulchmag.com)
"Cause the world doesn't need any more humble Negroes."
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From: "Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session falls
flat)
Date: 18 Mar 1999 20:45:24 GMT
M. le Rutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
| Walter van der Schee wrote:
| ? [...]
|> If you're using Linux, recompile the kernel to include magic SysRq-key
|> hack,
|> if X crashes and doesn't allow you to switch VT's, tap Alt-SysRq+R to
|> switch the keyboard out of raw-mode, then try to switch VT's. If that
|> doesn't help,
|> tap the sequence Alt-SysRq-S (emergency disk-sync), Alt-SysRq-U
|> (emergency disk remount read-only (setting the clean-bit)), Alt-SysRq-B
|> (emergency reboot).
|> [...]
|
| And than people still say Linux is ready for the desktop?
|
| Maurice le Rutte.
Yes. Hitting the reboot button works too.
Jam (address rot13 encoded)
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From: Thomas Zajic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Riva TNT
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:45:57 GMT
[ e-mail CC�ed ]
Kabal wrote:
> [ ... ]
> I tried going to config file and manually settin everything to higher
> resolutuons, and startX, it still ignores it.
There�s a whole bunch of config files for X related stuff. The most
important one is /etc/XF86Config.
> I was told to use XF86Configure on efnets #linux.
> I can't find /usr/X11R6/XF86Configure... its not there, even though i did
> the default install of SlackWare.
And then there are two setup programs, one is text based (xf86config),
the other one is graphical (runs under the XF86_VGA16 server):
/usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config
/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86Setup
> [ ... ]
HTH,
Thomas
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Anyone have any experience with Intel DK440LX motherboard and CELERON?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:57:18 GMT
In several previous messages, I wrote:
> >> I recently stumbled across the Intel DK440LX motherboard which
> >> provides dual pII capability, onboard SCSI, sound and ethernet. Best
> >> of all they can be had as cheap as $130! This almost seems to good to
> >> be true -- somebody pinch me please!
I wrote that Intel does not approve use of the Celeron (as a SINGLE
CPU setup) in the DK board, but I have found some references on net
that it does work.
> >If the Celeron does work, this would be a great bonus for me as I
> >could shave $100 off the price of my system. My application is *far*
> >from mission- critical, but I would like to know what I'm getting
> >myself into.
So far, I have only heard from one person regarding use of a single
Celeron in the DK, and that was without success.
Another person said that I'd probably need to use a cacheless Celeron
since the DK motherboard can only accept CPUs with 0K or 512K cache.
According to Tmack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> If you do get a celeron, it will not be capable of SMP unless it is
> physically modified.
I am aware of this. I am not interested in setting up a SMP system.
I want the DK motherboard because because it has a fairly decent SCSI
controller on-board, and given the price of the MB, you almost get the
SCSI for free. It is enough of a deal to fork out for a PII, but I'd
really *prefer* to just slap a single Celeron in.
-p.
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From: "Colonel Panic�" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: anyone see EISA motherboards for sale anywhere??
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:52:56 -0500
any ideas on where i could scare up an EISA M/board for this adaptec 2742t
that i got at garage sale for $1??? i also have a 3com tp NIC(EISA)...hate
to see it rot here....
my address is mungled, please reply to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Tomasz Lukasiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sony Monitor Setup
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:11:55 -0500
Hi,
I just got a new 17in Sony MultiScan 200ES along with a Creative
Labs Graphics Blaster Riva TNT video card. I'd like to run at 1280x1024
resolution, but I want to use all the available refresh capability of
the monitor. The specs give it 30-70k kHz horizontal and 50-120 kHz
vertical. XFree86 gives three ready-to-go 1280x1024 modes, but the only
one that is below 70 kHz horizontal is also only 60 kHz vertical (thus
causing a slight flicker). Can anyone tell me the mode parameters
I should use in order to run at 1280x1024 with a good vertical refresh
rate?
Thanks
Tom
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From: Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:38:43 +0000
Jeff Szarka wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:58:37 +0000, Bill Anderson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> :
> :hat compiling?
> :one word:
> :RPM
> :
> :Thank you, good night.
>
> On a fresh redhat 5.2 install doing rpm installs resulted in many
> broken dependencies. It's just as annoying as the windows DLL mess.
The you had a bad install, or were trying to install things that
required stuff you simply don't have.
I install on average, 4 Linux boxes a week (m-f), all with redhat. Never
have I encountered problem you describe.
<rant_on>
If you install something woth a tarball, and it requires something you
_simply_don't_have_ it will not function.
A dependency means somehting needs or is needed by a particular thing.
if you are trying to remove a package, and somehting else requires it,
when would you like to know, before or after you remove the required
item?
IN MSland, when you delete a dll, and somehting requires it, what is to
stop you? if it is in use, MS won't let you remove it. if not, goodbye,
it's gone. Your app that required that dll is now dead. For example, if
you have LyX, you have xforms. LyX requires Xforms, whether you use a
tarball/rpm/dpkg/whatever. If you try to remove the xforms rpm, it will
tell you no, you need it for LyX. then, if you *wan't* to, you can break
LyX and remove it with --nodeps or --force. In Mickeysoft land, you are
on your own, and probably would have broken LyX, then tried to run it
later and it would fail. Then you would sitting there scratching your
head wonder what broke it.
On installs, when you try to install LyX, if you don't have XForms, it
will say no, install XForms first. Why is this bad?? If you (could)
install lyx w/o xforms, it won't work. Then you would be bitching about
how something should have told you that you needed something else. To
make a mess of your dependencies requires deliberate, conscious action
through the use of --force and --nodeps.
<rant_off>
Bill
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