Linux-Hardware Digest #874, Volume #9 Tue, 30 Mar 99 07:13:54 EST
Contents:
What motherboards for PII SECC/SECC-2 ? (Leif Thuresson)
GETTING EASY LEGAL MONEY, LET'S GIVE IT A CHANCE!! (John Rabon)
Re: The Kyle is a Fink! Was: Re: XF86 and ThinkPad 560 (Christopher Browne)
Re: MWave sound in IBM Thinkpad??? (RedHat 5.2) (Paul Sherwin)
FIC PA2013 problems? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) ("Osvaldo
Pinali Doederlein")
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) ("Osvaldo
Pinali Doederlein")
Re: LILO ("James Schontzler")
Modem hangs up (Christian Nake)
Re: how to mount zip drive ("Ronald BAL")
Re: Can someone recommend me a 56K6 PCMCIA modem? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Help!! Linux on K6-2 -problem!!! ("jacopo")
Horror story with a VIA chipset (Mikael Bouillot)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Johan Kullstam)
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:06:37 +0200
From: Leif Thuresson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What motherboards for PII SECC/SECC-2 ?
Does the SECC-2 packed CPUs require new motherboards
or do they fit in the same socket as SECC ?
I was thinking of buying a ASUS P2B-DS board and need
to now if SECC-2 CPUs will fit. I haven't found any info
on the ASUS web-site.
--leif
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Leif Thuresson Tel: +46-18-4713860
Uppsala University Fax: +46-18-4713833
The Svedberg Laboratory E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
P.O.Box 533
S-751 21 Uppsala
Sweden
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Rabon)
Crossposted-To:
alt.collecting.autographs,alt.collecting.beanie-babies,alt.collecting.beanie-babies.forsale,alt.comedy.standup,alt.comp.hardware
Subject: GETTING EASY LEGAL MONEY, LET'S GIVE IT A CHANCE!!
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:08:08 -0800
JOHN HOUSTON Wrote:
>>WAIT, DON'T SKIP ME YET!! PLEASE DON'T THINK OF THIS AS A SCAM.<<<<
Don't worry. I don't think of it as a scam. I think of it as a pyramid
scheme concocted by people like yourself who are too fucking lazy to work.
Why the hell would you lump a standup comedy newsgroup with autograph
collecting and beanie babies?
I LOVE the catching line: WAIT, DON'T SKIP ME YET!! PLEASE....I GOTTA EAT.
SOMEONE SEND ME A DOLLAR..... Jesus, dude. Why don't you sell your pyramid
scheme on the side of the highway, right next to the pee-smelling homeless
guy. At least he works for it.
john rabon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Re: The Kyle is a Fink! Was: Re: XF86 and ThinkPad 560
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:30:27 GMT
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:22:52 -0700, Kyle Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Please note that this will be the only response we provide to Kevin's
>posting. Its not our intent to start a flame war on any newsgroup -
>they're counterproductive. We do, however, feel that its in the
>best interest of the freeware community to understand our position.
Kevin's comments were not terribly "constructive;" I'll suggest an
somewhat more constructive direction...
Controversy *often* arises when commercial enterprises present material
that represents advertising in discussion groups on Usenet.
At the most "flammable" end lies advertisers such as the makers of
LinuxCAD, which "spam" newsgroups indiscriminately, providing
hit-and-run material that looks more like an "infomercial" than anything
else. <http://www.zip.com.au/~erikd/lcad.html> nicely documents the
problems with this.
Xi Graphics doubtless doesn't want to be compared to LinuxCAD; there is
little doubt but that there is a substantial difference between the
overall quality of the products provided...
The users of comp.text.tex, the newsgroup for discussion of TeX, LaTeX,
and related tools, has a more useful model.
There is a company that makes "Scientific Word," a more-or-less-WYSIWYG
proprietary software package that produces TeX output. By most reports,
they seem to have a pretty good piece of software.
For a while, they were basically "spamming" comp.text.tex; any time
someone wrote a message indicating they were having trouble writing a
TeX equation (which very much parallels the X situation of "How do I
get modelines for this graphics card?"), there would be a message
basically saying:
"Scientific Word is the answer to your problem. Here is the
Scientific Word feature set..."
People got quite angry about this, as it was not particularly
appropriate for a discussion list, much as it is not particularly
appropriate for Xi Graphics reps to do exactly the same thing here.
If it is fair for Xi Graphics to post messages saying: "The solution to
your problem is to buy Accelerated X," then it is equally fair for *ten*
people to respond to that post by saying something like:
"Xi is recommending that you spend $100 on an X server for a graphics
card that is worth $30. Before doing that, I suggest that you consider
the alternative of spending $50 on a *BETTER* graphics card that is
better supported by XFree86, and then send some portion of the $50 that
you save to support the XFree86 Project."
There are *certainly* cases where it is a *really* good idea to buy
Xi's X servers.
For instance, if you have invested $500 in a high-powered graphics card,
and want high performance OpenGL support, it is *entirely* likely that
the best choice is to buy Accelerated-X along with Xi's OpenGL support.
Metro-X is another vendor that sells X servers that are quite likely to
outperform XFree86 for this sort of functionality; they may be a good
choice as well.
But many of Kyle Fink's posts have *not* provided that sort of objective
view, but have really just provided a self-serving emission of
sales-pitch. That is just not appropriate for a discussion group.
Thinly veiled product announcements belong in comp.os.linux.announce.
Advertisements DO NOT belong in comp.os.linux.x or
comp.os.linux.hardware, and people *will* get infuriated and *will* make
contrary remarks if inappropriate messages continue to be posted.
Take a look at DejaNews to see what they do in comp.text.tex with
respect to Scientific Word/Scientific Workplace. That vendor has worked
their way through from "spam-like product placements" to the present
situation where they occasionally provide *useful answers to questions,*
with mention that they have a product that could also be useful. This
seems to me to be an appropriate "tack" for Xi to take in this regard.
[Caveat: I have provided financial support to The XFree86 Project,
which may be regarded as a "competitor" to Xi. I do not, however, have
any financial interest in any competitor to Xi Graphics.]
--
"...very few phenomena can pull someone out of Deep Hack Mode, with two
noted exceptions: being struck by lightning, or worse, your *computer*
being struck by lightning." -- By Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/advocacy.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Sherwin)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: MWave sound in IBM Thinkpad??? (RedHat 5.2)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:57:00 GMT
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:11:53 -0500, Karl Joseph Weinmeister
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Has anyone properly configured sound on an IBM Thinkpad with an MWave
>card? I can't get it to work.
>
Mwave devices are loaded with software by the host operating system.
If any version of the Linux kernel has support for this, it's news to
me. One solution would be to boot DOS, load the Mwave software from
DOS, then boot Linux using loadlin. This _should_ work but I haven't
actually tried it.
If you get a better solution, let me know...
Best regards, Paul
Paul Sherwin Consulting 22 Monmouth Road, Oxford OX1 4TD, UK
Phone +44 (0)1865 721438 http://www.telinco.co.uk/psherwin/index.htm
Fax +44 (0)1865 434331 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FIC PA2013 problems?
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:24:06 GMT
I just upgraded to a PA013 (rev 1.2) w/ 64 MB mem, SB16 PnP, SMC enet
(tulip), and Matrox G200 Milleniem card. All of the stuff worked great on my
old system except for the Matrox G200 (which I dont know about). My problem
is I have no sound (sndconfig won't work, pnpdump does). What is even worse
is when I boot up for the first time the network works great, booting for a
second of more time gives me : network unreachable ret -1 (when I ping my own
ip or any other). ping localhost works fine. what is worse than that is
everything is working in win98. sugestions? help! paul
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From: "Osvaldo Pinali Doederlein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:01:47 +0200
jedi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> That and neither rm or the shells are a core part of the OS in Unix
> to begin with...
Are you sure? Try to change anything important in your shells' behavior and
see a huge number of Unix programs breaking, maybe as much as if you did
change some POSIX C function. Loads of Unix programs rely on shell scripts
to do jobs from installation to large pieces of functionality, exactly
because the shells are very powerful. Maybe the shells are not in the
kernel, but this doesn't mean a lot in practical matters.
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From: "Osvaldo Pinali Doederlein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:20:05 +0200
Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> : The right thing to do is having the tool to expand the wildcards when
> : appropriate. You could stuff the expansion functionality in a shared
lib
> : so the developer has the same convenience of not having to write it.
And
> : the developer would have a change to check for suspicious parameters
> : before the expansion.
> MSDOS does this and we've seen the results, full stop.
MSDOS is not a good example of anything. If memory serves, the OS (if you
can consider it as an OS...) didn't have a service to do the expansion, so
each application should actually include the code for that (and we didn't
have shared libs in MSDOS too). Of course everybody had different
implementations, different bugs...
> It also has been debated to *death*. The results, ever time, are
> that the *shell* must be the one that does the expansion. Anything
> else has the problems of MSDOS in that every app decides it has
> found a new and better way to do expansion, confusing the user and
> causing far more errors then it ever fixes.
> If you really want an anal retentive rm(1) and friends, they are
> *very* easy to add without breaking anything:
> alias rm='rm -i'
Great... so I won't have inconsistence because some stupid programmer used a
different wildcard expansion even though the OS provides this service, but I
will have inconsistency because every programmer _can_ provide a different
switch or no switch at all. You didn't solve any problem and the debate is
_not_ finished in favor of Unix.
And in Linux you will have problems if you try to do the expansion in
extremely big directories, it seems there is a hardwired limit in the number
of entries or size of the resulting argv[]. That can be solved (maybe
already is), but still the expansion is not memory-efficient and you can
have an implementation that works like findfirst/findnext, and that would be
more consistent with other APIs as well. But of course, compatibility is
better with any design issue...
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From: "James Schontzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: LILO
Date: 29 Mar 1999 10:35:27 PST
Alex Romaniuk wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>As prompt appears there is only LI showing and everything is dead.
>(LILO has worked fine with system on secondary IDE).
>LI stands actually for wrong geometry or something like that.
Michael J. Parmeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Hello,
>
> In your /etc/lilo.conf file try adding the word "linear" in your global
> section (up at the top) and then run /usr/sbin/lilo and that might fix
> your problem. Only getting "LI" at boot up is a well documented
> problem.
>
> regards
> mike p.
>
>
The above might fix your problem.
- James
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From: Christian Nake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Modem hangs up
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:01:59 +0200
Hi,
On my box I have installed SuSE 5.3 and kernel 2.0.36. I use the kppp
front end for pppd to connect to our University terminal server. No
problem so far.
After some minutes of active connection my modem ( ELSA MicroLink 56k )
hangs up.
This are the pppd messages in /var/log/messages :
Mar 29 21:55:13 XXXXXX pppd[278]: pppd 2.2.0 started by XXXXXX, uid XXX
Mar 29 21:55:13 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Using interface ppp0
Mar 29 21:55:13 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Mar 29 21:55:16 XXXXXX pppd[278]: local IP address XXX.XX.XX.XXX
Mar 29 21:55:16 XXXXXX pppd[278]: remote IP address XXX.XX.XX.XXX
Mar 29 21:58:54 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Terminating on signal 15.
Mar 29 21:58:54 XXXXXX pppd[278]: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR, IPX_DLTITF) 22:
Invalid argument
Mar 29 21:58:54 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Connection terminated.
Mar 29 21:58:54 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Exit.
Can someone please help with this? ( I'm not a C programmer. )
Christian
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From: "Ronald BAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to mount zip drive
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:39:26 +0200
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byeong cho wrote in message <7dmeej$f9s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I am trying to install xfree86 from the zip drive.
>My platform is Compaq Presario 5170, which has built-in zip drive.
>
>I have tried with the following commands without sucess.
>mkfs -t msdos /dev/fdd4
>mount /dev/fdd4 /mnt
>
>Please post the setting that will work.
>
>Thank you.
>
U use the commands for a floppy drive. Try to use it as a SCSI harddisk.
mkfs -t msdos /dev/sdX1 /mnt
mount /dev/sdX1 /mnt
X is the drive letter : 'a' for primary master to 'd' for secondary =
slave.=20
U can make an entry in /etc/fstab too (see man-pages). U don't have too =
use the -t msdos then anymore.
Furthermore u can also use the ext2 system instead of msdos.
U can email me if it still doesn't work. Good luck !
Greetings,
Ronald
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/mnt</FONT></DIV>
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too (see man-pages). U don't have too use the -t msdos then=20
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<DIV><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">U can email me if it =
still doesn't=20
work. Good luck !</FONT></DIV>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can someone recommend me a 56K6 PCMCIA modem?
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:01:36 GMT
Avoid the 3XCM556 Modem!! It has been a big headache since I got it and there
has been virtually no help for 3Com/Megahertz (Mega-Hurts). If there is anyone
out there that has been able to have this modem resume after the PC has
suspended please let me know.
Joel
In article <7dedvh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Fruth) wrote:
> In article <7ct0cn$iap$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brendan Murray
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Try the USRobotics (3Com) Megahertz XJCC range - never had any problems
> > with them.
>
> Be careful with 3Com Megahertz modems -- some models are indeed the dreaded
> Winmodems, and their model nomenclature is a little hard to follow. For
> example, I had an XJ2560, which is a Winmodem and is thus useless
> (fortunately I was just borrowing it). There's also a virtually identical
> model CC2560, which apparently is also a Winmodem, but it's not clear what
> the difference between the XJ2560 and CC2560 is.
>
> If you visit the 3Com web site, they have a product selector. Specifying
> that you need cross platform capability and doing a search on current 3Com
> products results in exactly ONE match: the 3CXM556. There's also a
> 3CCM556 described on the same page, but again, they don't explain the
> difference. I have not tried these out, so I CANNOT guarantee that they
> work.
>
> The best reference on modems for Linux is:
> http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
> According to the information there, the 3CXM556 has been reported to work
> properly under Linux. I am looking to obtain one of these rascals.
>
> Do NOT get the similarly named 3CXM356 or 3CCM356, as they are definitely
> Winmodems.
>
> --
> Gregory Fruth ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
> The Aerospace Corporation
> Los Angeles, CA
>
>
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From: "jacopo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help!! Linux on K6-2 -problem!!!
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:09:14 +0200
I have installed linux debian 2.0 in a k6-2 with a mb VIA.
Linux Crashes after boot or until 1-2 hours...
Does Linux (2.0.34) support K6
I need to recompile the kernel...
Is the motherboard....
Thanks...
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From: Mikael Bouillot <"mikael"@[REMOVE-THIS]colba.net>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Horror story with a VIA chipset
Date: 30 Mar 1999 01:35:02 -0600
Hi folks,
I've just ran into a horrible problem that seems to be coming from my VIA
chipset. I would really like to know if anyone has experienced/heard of this
before I go and buy a new motherboard.
Here goes. While I was sorting through a bunch of big files (1~4 megs each), I
decided to go and gzip them all. I then copied the whole directory (~200 files,
350 megs) to another disk. After a few days, I checked the copied files, and one
of them gave me a "bad crc" error when gunziping. I was going to re-gzip it from
the source, but then, I had time to lose so I asked myself "Why did it get
messed up?". I then started playing around with cksum (which has since become my
best friend, see below).
I did a
cksum `find dir -type f | sort` > sum1
cksum `find dir -type f | sort` > sum2
diff sum1 sum2
and I was astonished to see that two or three random files were getting
different checksum each time I did this. Wondering what was going wrong, I
copied the whole directory and then did a cksum on both. Again, the cksum gave
me different checksums for a couple of files. By cksuming again and again, I
found out that one file had consistent albeit different checksums every time.
This file had been copied with an error and no error messages from the kernel
or anything! :-(
I tried to see what was different between the original and the copy with head,
tail, hexdump and cksum, and it turned out that a single bit had been changed.
Thinking it was my hd that was corrupting data (and I was getting more than a
bit worried), I ran this whole set of tests on my jaz. Whether doing it on an
IDE hd controlled by the motherboard chipset or my jaz connected to a PCI 53c810
SCSI card, the results where the same: Out of a couple hundred megabytes read
from the disk, I was getting one or two messed-up bits with no error message or
whatever from the kernel!
Next step, I tried all kernels I could with many different setups. 2.0.3x,
2.1.x, 2.2.2, fast-SCSI turned on/off... Nothing to do, still the exact same
problem. Since it was the same on SCSI and IDE, it seemed to be a problem with
the DMA.
Next, I tried changing the motherboard clock. I tried 50, 66, 75, 83 Mhz. Still
nothing (either better or worse).
Finally, to rule out a software issue, I reinstalled a fresh RedHat 5.1.
Nothing.
At that point, I was totally paranoid. When reading data from a disk, my
computer was corrupting it silently. I started using cksum on every file I
copied, and actually cought a couple of corruptions. The thought that each file
I had copied and burned on CD for 8 month might potentially be messed up was
making me crazy.
Last but not least, on a friend's advice, I did the same test under windows. I
made a 200 Mb zip, copied it around a couple of times and one of them turned out
to have a bad checksum.
That's my story. I was just wondering how I have been able to work for 8 month
on a computer that flips one bit every couple of megs read from a disk. The fact
that it does it only for very intensive reads (several megs at once) might
explain that the system was still usable.
My last guess is that the DMA controller is responsible for this. I have a K6
on a VIA motherboard. Here's what I got from /proc/pci:
VIA Technologies VT 82C597 Apollo VP3
If you want to try this at home, just do a "head -c 200m /dev/urandom > file",
then copy the file and compare the checksums using cksum a couple of times.
That's it. I've never been so scared of my computer before, and I'm going to
continue cksuming all my files for some time even after I fix that problem :'(
If you know anything about this, please tell me about it.
Mikael Bouillot
mikael@[REMOVE-THIS]colba.net
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
--
"In a world without fences, who needs gates?"
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.misc,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 30 Mar 1999 06:58:38 -0500
Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Horst von Brand wrote:
> >
> > RedHat developed rpm and the whole installation for the
> > distribution from scratch, together with assorted administration
> > tools (control-panel, glint, among others) and they also host
> > (and fund) the Gnome development.
> >
> Bloatware. I suppose you'd go for it if someone were to meet you
> at the door of the supermarket, sent you round to the exit, and
> insisted that you take a trolley, packed the way that *they*
> decide is best.
no one makes you install these things.
> > Besides, the '-28' in their latest libc-5.3.12-28.i386.rpm for
> > example means essentially 28 patchsets (some local, others
> > contributed) applied to the base, pristine source. Plus
> > checking out who knows how many more and testing the whole
> > stuff together as a distribution. They are also active in
> > checking security.
> >
> As I said before, I prefer pristine code. If they patch it, it is
> not pristine. No "non-Redhat" patches can be applied. That makes
> it proprietary.
there is a pristine source in the source rpm along with redhat's
patches which are distinct diff files. you can still apply your own
patches. you can remove the redhat patches.
in addition to being able to modify the package contents, you can put
them on a cdrom and sell them yourself. this sounds very far from
proprietary to me.
also, nothing stops you from downloading your source and installing it
the usual way. redhat comes complete with tar, make and gcc.
> It doesn't take much to create a distribution! Anyone can do it.
> All you need is a packaging method, and the components that you
> want to include in your package. There are probably *hundreds*
> of distributions around.
yes there are. no one makes you use redhat. if you do not care for
redhat, do not use it. redhat does have actual problems. i challenge
you to find them and not just make up random lies.
> > That is _not_ "just packing" in my book.
>
> It's also pretty good marketing.
sure. what do you expect?
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