Linux-Hardware Digest #981, Volume #9 Fri, 9 Apr 99 23:13:39 EDT
Contents:
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) ("Charles R.
Lyttle")
Linux and Compaq Proliant 2500s ("Carl R. Friend")
Re: US Robotics 56K External Fax Modem (Ken Salter)
how to config SB AWE64 card at SuSe 6.0 Linux? (whywhys)
Re: Help!! Linux on K6-2 -problem!!! (OldUncleMe)
Parallel Port HP-7200e CDR (Jacques Fortier)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (The Ghost In
The Machine)
Re: I need INFO on server setups/system setups for WEB HOSTING (John)
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) ("Rufus V.
Smith")
Thinkpad 365 XD and Accelerated-X ("Timothy M. Ney")
Serial IO woe ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to add scsi adapter to existing system without reinstall? (Peter Eddy)
Help Sony Multiscan 200es ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Help Sony Multiscan 200es ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PCI PnP sound card: how to find out IRQ,I/O,DMA? (Bob Martin)
Re: driver for Intel740 ("dpc")
Re: free computer13 ("opus007")
??: Mandrake, XWindows and Trident PCI Video Card Error - Can't Detect Video RAM???
(Douglas E. Mitton)
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From: "Charles R. Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:26:49 GMT
Rufus V. Smith wrote:
>
> Roland Paterson-Jones wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> >> > It made parsing easier in the days when a big Unix system had 8K RAM
> >> > and ASCII characters were 7-bit.
> >>
> >> do you seriously think that a conscious decision was made to save one
> >> extra compare? make is a pretty complex program. requiring tab
> >> versus allowing tab or space wouldn't have made any significant
> >> difference. compiler options or the phase of the moon would have made
> >> more of an impact.
> >
> >Incredibly enough, programmers (particularly C hackers) really do program
> >with this mentality. Hence, Knuth: Premature eja^H^H^H optimisation is the
> >root of all programming evil.
> >
> >Roland
> >
>
> That's because much of code, particular hacker code, is written not for
> ease of use, and not even necessarily for other programmers! I needed to
> get a job done, I wrote a little utility to do it, here it is. I might have
> some
> documentation somewhere around here but since I wrote the program in
> a hurry you won't find much in the code, but here's the utility anyway.
> Bye!
Don't forget the "Here is my bill" just before the "Bye! I've got
another job waiting."
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
Thank you Melissa!
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From: "Carl R. Friend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux and Compaq Proliant 2500s
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 17:34:31 -0400
G'day. Has anyone had any luck in getting the new 2.2.x series
kernels running on Compaq Proliant 2500 systems?
I've got four of these things at work (Management second-guessed me
and specified the Compaq hardware rather than the generic Intel
machinery I asked for) and I've had absolutely no luck getting the
2.2.x kernels to run for more than about 25 seconds before locking up.
They run 2.0.35 just fine.
If anybody has gotten the 2.2.x series running on the 2500s, I'd
like to know. If I'm wasting my time, I'd like to know that, too.
Cheers.
--
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| Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston |
| Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA |
| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |
| http://www.ultranet.com/~crfriend/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 |
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:51:42 -0500
From: Ken Salter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: US Robotics 56K External Fax Modem
Al wrote:
> Is the US Robotics 56K External Fax Modem supported by linux?
>
> How do I send faxes to people?
>
> Thanks
>
> Al
1) Yes. I am using it right now.
2) Get fax software. There are plenty of packages out there for Linux.
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From: whywhys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: how to config SB AWE64 card at SuSe 6.0 Linux?
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:10:03 +0800
All,
well I know it typed 'sndconfig' at Redhat 5.2 to config sound
blaster card
but I duno how to config the card at Suse 6.0. Is there anyone program
to run
sound configure at SuSe6.0??
Thankx
YYs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (OldUncleMe)
Subject: Re: Help!! Linux on K6-2 -problem!!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:19:29 GMT
It was: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:12:06 +0000 and with STARTLING insight, "Thomas Dorris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" posted "Re: Help!! Linux on K6-2 -problem!!!" to
"comp.os.linux.hardware" :
-->jacopo wrote:
-->> I have installed linux debian 2.0 in a k6-2 with a mb VIA.
-->> Linux Crashes after boot or until 1-2 hours...
-->Any chance that's a VIA 503+ board? A couple weeks ago, I was about
-->ready to pull my hair out trying to get one of those to run a K6-2/300.
-->I had been trying to run a 100mhz bus with a 3x multiplier. Turns out
-->that motherboard and/or my PC100 memory or the specific combination of
-->the two didn't like the 100mhz bus. I dropped to 75mhz with a 4x
-->multiplier and have been running fine since.
-->Hope that helps,
-->ThomasD
That board is very picky about sdram if it's run at 100Mhz fsb. I've built a number
of them,
and have followed the FIC n.g. for a while now. Once you have a good combo and setup,
tho, it
should be quite stable and very fast. Often, a bios upgrade, or sometimes a downgrade
required
to achieve this.../ts
tenox @ home dat com
/ts
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From: Jacques Fortier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Parallel Port HP-7200e CDR
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:45:42 -0400
Does anyone know if it is possible to use a parallel port external CD
burner with Linux? Is there somewhere I can go to get information on
doing this?
Thanks,
Jacques Fortier
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: 9 Apr 1999 21:25:50 GMT
Followups restricted to something that looks a bit more relevant :-).
On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:28:58 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the 07 Apr 1999 14:23:44 -0600...
>..and Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[schnibble]
>
>> /bin/ed is required to be considered UNIX, but the following commands
>> have been relegated to "legacy" (not required for Unix98 compliance):
>>
>> calendar
>> cancel
>> cc
>> call
>> cpio
Um...not to pick a nit or anything, but what would cpio be replaced with?
tar? bru? Some Microsoft-proprietary format? :-)
As I understand it (and from a little digging around with respect to
file formats), cpio is more capable (longer paths and all that), although
tar is probably more familiar and more widely used.
>
>But it's important, no?
>
>> cu
>> dircmp
>> du
>
>Are they mad? What would I do without du?
That's a damned good question.
A friend of mine used to work at Convergent Technologies, during the
Unisys merger, and apparently at least one person (whom said friend was
not all that happy with) had the rather quaint notion that the CTOS
(or was it BTOS?) equivalent of 'du' was totally unnecessary. (It is
my belief that said person probably didn't have a clue.... :-) )
Not that it would be difficult to write one's own, perhaps -- but why
bother when it's already there and does what one wants?
>
>> egrep
>> fgrep
>> line
>> lpstat
>> mail
>
>But I *need* a noninteractive mailer!
/usr/lib/sendmail is the one I would use. Dunno if it's standard or not.
>
>> pack
>> pcat
>> pg
>> spell
>> sum
>> tar
>
>??
>
>> unpack
>> uulog, uuname, uupick, uutoo
>
>Understandable.
Considering the Internet, I have to agree, although there's probably a
few sites out there still using Fidonet, I would gather.
>
>>
>> Wierd. I wonder why cc was moved from development to legacy, but c89
>> is mandatory; mail and tar are as UNIX as you can get.
>
>I suppose we're all supposed to use pax...
Pax? I don't even *have* pax. (This on a RedHat 5.2 system.)
*grumble*
>
>> Sometimes I'm *glad* that Linux isn't UNIX.
>
>Me Too!
One does wonder what the "official" direction of Unix is, at times.
Does SCO have a say in all of this?
>
>mawa
>--
>Optimization hinders evolution.
----
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John)
Subject: Re: I need INFO on server setups/system setups for WEB HOSTING
Date: 9 Apr 1999 16:52:13 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 09 Apr 1999 09:37:21 -0700, Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John) writes:
>
>> What news groups FAQs and sites can I read ?
>
>I've gathered some links to some ISP-related help info at
>
>http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/isp.html
>
>These might help too:
>http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/internet.html
>http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/networking.html
>http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/ip.html
Thanks a lot. Im surprisingly finding it a little difficult to find
up to date, good info on this topic which I assumed I could find
tailor made gobs of info on.
So far I found a rough info in INC. magazine about an ISP
forsale, Business 20 on sex-related sites, INFOWORLD on routers and
server software, etc. etc.
I purchased some books on Apache, Linux, etc.
Im particularly interested in how cheap can you go in setting up
your server?
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From: "Rufus V. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:25:15 -0400
Rob Eamon wrote in message ...
>Steve Tate wrote in message <7egbh5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>[snip]
>>
>>It's frankly quite stupid to call something a "design flaw" simply
>>because it's different from what you're used to. Either adapt and use
>>the new system properly, or stick with your old one.... (or, gasp,
>>write a command.com compatible shell for Unix!)
>
>I should resist the urge to throw out yet another comparison
>to automobiles but here goes anyways...(sigh)
>
>Consider another example: Candy machines often have a
>numeric keypad to make a selection. Many people, distracted
>by any number of things, put in their 65 cents and then
>absent-mindedly press selection 65 because that's what was
>in their head at the moment. This is a design flaw. Yes,
>the mechanism fundamentally works and is something one
>can get used to, but it is prone to "accidental activation."
>This is how I'd characterize globbing--it is prone to this
>same sort of problem, acting on files you didn't intend.
One candy machine design flaw is the ones with letters A-N or so and number
from
1 to 12 maybe. How many people wanted the E-12 candy and accidentally
pushed
the 3 button combo (e)(1)(2) instead of the 2 button combo (e)(12) ? And
you end up
getting whatever was in slot e1?
CD jukeboxes aren't a whole lot better in this respect.
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From: "Timothy M. Ney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Thinkpad 365 XD and Accelerated-X
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 19:58:51 -0400
Has anyone used Accelerated-X with a IBM Thinpad 365XD. Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Serial IO woe
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:26:49 GMT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: serial port woes Date: Fri, 09 Apr
1999 21:21:07 GMT Newsgroups: comp.os.linux Organization: Deja News - The
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(Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.24.163.175 I am trying to do something unusual
with serial ports on a linux box. We need to capture a data stream coming in
via a modem from a data feed and do two things with it: 1) send each byte
merrily on its way back out another serial port so that the place that was
originally getting it can continue to do so and 2) send each byte through a
socket so that another process can do something with it.
This almost works but I am defeated by one thing I can find no documentation
for. To get this far I had to learn all about tcsetattr(), etc. I had to
manually set the parity, stopbits, etc. of the port. I had to make the ports
ttyS0 and ttyS1 go into raw mode instead of cooked. I had to turn off all
LF-CR translations. One thing eludes me: ETX characters (0x3) are being
dropped.
The whole structure of the feed depends on these beasts. I've read all the
documentation under termios. I've read Johnson and Troan's book "Linux
Application Development" which has an otherwise excellent discussion of this
topic. Nothing mentions this. There are two pieces of the termios struct
which are mentioned but not explained anywhere: the c_line member which has
the comment "line discipline" with no mention of what values do what in this
field and an array of 32 chars which somehow represent "control characters".
In examining this array, I find absolutely no rhyme or reason to the values
contained there and can only conclude they aren't used.
Can anyone help me with this arcana?
Is there any way to read in bytes through the serial port without any
translation whatsoever and send them back out the same way they came in?
I thought this would be easy. It's proving to be a nightmare.
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From: Peter Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to add scsi adapter to existing system without reinstall?
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:37:07 -0400
Don't do that! Just compile your kernel with SCSI support, making sure
to enable the driver you need. It'll usually auto-detect the card.
Look at thet SCSI howto for more information.
Geoffrey Lyman wrote:
>
> I have Red Hat 5.2 on a P90 with 2 ide drives. I want to add a scsi
> host adapter ( I have extra 1522a, 1542CF) so that I can use a scsis
> tape drive. The only way I've gotten scsi host adapters recognized by
> linux in the past is by autoprobe during fresh install. Is there a way
> to add the adapter to an already running system without having to
> reinstall? Thanks.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help Sony Multiscan 200es
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:54:01 GMT
Well i have just bought a Sony Multiscan 200ES. I've got this problem: e
vertical line on the right side of the screen, clearly visible at the cross
with the lowest of the 2 trinitron lines. is it a defect of the monitor or
just a problem of setting up? I've got a matros mystique video card ( the old
one) Sorry for my bad english but i'm from italy.
Riccardo ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help Sony Multiscan 200es
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:53:59 GMT
Well i have just bought a Sony Multiscan 200ES. I've got this problem: e
vertical line on the right side of the screen, clearly visible at the cross
with the lowest of the 2 trinitron lines. is it a defect of the monitor or
just a problem of setting up? I've got a matros mystique video card ( the old
one) Sorry for my bad english but i'm from italy.
Riccardo ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:53:06 -0500
From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PCI PnP sound card: how to find out IRQ,I/O,DMA?
You can use pnpdump to get the default settings for the card. IRQ 10 is
uasually used for a NIC, 388 is the default for the midid port. ususally
if the card is SB compatible it will use IRQ 5 and DMA 220
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I've got a sound card with a Crystal CS4280 chip on board. I works okay in
> Windows NT, for which there is a sound driver. In Linux I can't get it to
> work. I have no documentation about the card, so don't know which IRQ, I/O,
> DMA settings to use. The NT diagnostics utility didn't reveal much either. I
> found an entry with IRQ 10 and I/O base 0388, but that didn't work. I don't
> even know which sound driver I should configure into the kernel--Crystal
> drivers are for the 423x chipsets.
>
> Any advice on how to find out the relevant numbers and make this #!&%? sound
> card work will be greatly appreciated!
>
> Robert.
>
> Robert Biuk-Aghai, PhD Researcher Tel: 02-95141940, Fax: 02-95141807
> Room 4/G28, School of Computing Sciences, University of Technology, Sydney
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From: "dpc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: driver for Intel740
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:48:02 -0400
Check out ftp.linuxberg.com/pub/distributions/SuSE/suse/xsrv3
It is in there as xi740.rpm I'm not positive it will work with redhat
(works great on SuSE), but I don't see why it wouldn't. I read some
directions somewhere that you aren't supposed to set it up with xf86setup ,
however, that is the only thing that actually did work for me. Good luck!
igor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7ek96f$53b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello!
>
> I have RedHat 5.2 and AGP Intel740 video card.
> Anyone know where I could look for the driver or compatibil driver?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: "opus007" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.basic.visual.misc,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.javascript,comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.os2.advocacy,com
Subject: Re: free computer13
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:03:00 GMT
Something tells me that Michael Dell and his attorneys would be interested
in this post. Think I will forward it to Dell (my favorite computer company
:->) and let them take it from there.
And by the way idiot - Dell has been around for longer than 5 years!
I hate spam.
--
opus
"Laissez les bons temps rouler"
webmaster wrote in message <7eg4vn$bsp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Free Computer at http://giveaways.arecool.net
>
>DELL IS GIVING AWAY 500 FREE PENTIUM 500 Computers to celebrate their 5th
>anniversary.
>
>Hurry and if you are one of the first 500 people you win a new computer!!!
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas E. Mitton)
Subject: ??: Mandrake, XWindows and Trident PCI Video Card Error - Can't Detect Video
RAM???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:32:20 GMT
Hi All;
I am trying to help a friend install Mandrake. He is a new user and
everything went well except for the XFree86 configuration.
Xconfigurator reports an error trying to probe the video card for
memory. It reports 64K of memory where Win98 recognises 2meg. The
card is identified as a Trident PCI 96xx (I think), the card is
supposed to be a 94xx, but I think the SVGA server handles several
models with the same driver.
This means that XWindows will only open in 300x320 mode (or something
equally silly).
My question is ... has anyone experienced this and know of a work
around???
My friend is doing some web/deja news searches but I though I'd try a
question here in the mean time, some times it is a relatively common
problem that has a work around.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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