Linux-Hardware Digest #783, Volume #12 Mon, 1 May 00 23:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux Uses Less Power? ("Thomas J. Canich")
Re: HP CD-RW dies when it spins down (Steve Martin)
Re: Linux woes (Compaq for one) on the horizon (Ben Walker)
Baystack 21 NIC and Linux (Reid Gravelle)
epson stylus 670?? (root)
Re: Linux Uses Less Power?
Re: Linux NIC (Steven Fosdick)
SMC Ultra - Shared Memory NIC and PCI/BIOS trouble. (Steven Fosdick)
Re: Unable to dial (Steven Fosdick)
Re: VGA Woes in X (Steven Fosdick)
Re: Linux woes (Compaq for one) on the horizon (Steven Fosdick)
Configuring Summagraphics tablet in X (Stuart Norman)
Re: NOOOOOOoooo!!! Bastards! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: HP CD-RW dies when it spins down (Chris Hahn)
Re: Linux on Athlon and K7V ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
DRI and G400 (Torsten Evers)
Re: IDE or SCSI CD-RW? (Michael Meissner)
Re: K7 Athlon 700 or BP6 dual celeron (Ed Jamison)
Flat-panel displays -- recommendations? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
IDE CD-RW (Alex)
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From: "Thomas J. Canich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Uses Less Power?
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:02:47 -0400
it's a funny thing. processor fans are. You don't need them, as long as
you are using the processor as intended by the manufacturer (ie, not
overclocking it). All of the processors on the market are designed to air
cool, using nothing more than a heat sink.
I think this whole must have a fan thing started with the original pentium
series...but then, i could be wrong. Anybody want to shed some light?
tom
"If you can't win on the scoreboard, hit them with your fists."
--Mike, on the penguins losing to the islanders
On Mon, 1 May 2000, Gabor Z. Papp wrote:
> * Steven Fosdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> | In the BIOS, setting things up the CPU got hot very quickly, so I only dared
> | spend about 30 secs in the BIOS at a time. In Linux the CPU stayed cool and
> | for simple stuff like reading e-mail etc. the temperature was stable enough not
> | to need the fan.
>
> I run all of my K6-2 350 CPUs without fan with linux. Also
> without powersupply fans.
>
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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HP CD-RW dies when it spins down
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:23:40 -0400
Erik Nugent wrote:
>
> Steve Martin wrote:
>
> > long enough for the drive motor to spin down, the drive
> > refuses to respond to any more drive requests and
> > refuses to spin back up.
> > Anybody with one of these drives ever have the same problem,
> > or do I just have a lemon?
> i have the same problem.
I turned in a trouble report to HP's Web tech support page,
got an autoresponder, but nothing else yet (the responder
said "three to five business days"). We'll see.
(SM)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Walker)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux woes (Compaq for one) on the horizon
Date: 1 May 2000 18:19:46 -0600
The Compaq Presario, to put it mildly as I can, is a piece of crap. Someone
at work bought a couple 4508's Pentium systems a couple of years back. These
motherboards only have 1 PCI slot, and 2 or 3 ISA slots. With the 1 PCI slot
available, we had to make a choice between using 10/100 PCI NIC and using the
dreadful on board 8 bit color display adapter, or using a decent display
adapter and a slow 10 Mbps ISA NIC card. Trying to get the video adapter to
work in anything but VGA mode was impossible in Linux. For one machine we
ended up just buying a new motherboard with several ISA and PCI slots, and
a new case, and putting the hard drive, CD ROM, CPU and RAM in this new machine.
This cost an additional $150 or so, but at least it could be set up like a real
workstation, with a fast ethernet card and decent display adapter. What's
left of the Compaq does, however, make a nice book end. I always advise
people to stay away from Presarios. These are almost as bad as the old
Packard Bell computers.
As far as not being able to boot the Redhat install disk from the floppy, I
never encountered this. I have had corrupted floppies, though, even when
using brand new floppies and dd not reporting any errors. I would get the
initial screen and then the boot would die. Using a new floppy fixed this.
You might check your boot device order in the system BIOS. You may be trying
to boot off the CD ROM or hard drive first.
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From: Reid Gravelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Baystack 21 NIC and Linux
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 00:48:37 GMT
Hi,
Does anyone know if these cards will work under Linux. The Nortel site
says they work under Win9x, NT, and SCO Unix but no mention of Linux at
all.
Thanks,
Reid.
--
Reid Gravelle UNIX Software Developer
Northern Realities Inc. Ottawa, Ontario
http://www.nri.ca/ Bookstore: http://www.nri.ca/Bookstore/
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: epson stylus 670??
Date: 01 May 2000 16:57:56 -0700
Hey all,
Does anyone know if the epson stylus 670 will work under Linux?
I just bought one and can't get it to respond to anything I try;
I don't know if there's something wrong with my configuration or
if the printer just isn't supported.
If anyone out there has gotten this printer to work under Linux
I'd really like to know. (I want to find out if it's the printer
or is it just me : )).
Thanks,
Alan
redhat 6.0
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux Uses Less Power?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:08:49 GMT
On Mon, 1 May 2000 20:02:47 -0400, Thomas J. Canich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>it's a funny thing. processor fans are. You don't need them, as long as
>you are using the processor as intended by the manufacturer (ie, not
>overclocking it). All of the processors on the market are designed to air
>cool, using nothing more than a heat sink.
>
>I think this whole must have a fan thing started with the original pentium
>series...but then, i could be wrong. Anybody want to shed some light?
I can't hear the cpu fan on my system; it powers down during suspend mode and
the system is just as loud.
The problem is the power supply fan, and worse, the fan on the front of
the cabinet.
I tolerate the noise because I have two 10Krpm scsi-u2 drives and think
they'd overheat or have a shorter lifespn w/out the front fan.
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From: Steven Fosdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux NIC
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:08:28 +0000
In article <%s5O4.1299$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) wrote:
> I've been real happy with the Netgear FA310TX NICs:
>
> - They use a "Tulip"-compatible chipset, so that you'll use the
> "tulip" kernel driver.
Christopher Browne then went on to say how cheaply these cards could be had.
Even here in the UK, where prices are notably higher than in the US, I saw
them at UKP 25, much cheaper than any respectable alternative. The only
other things at a similar price were old ISA cards.
So I bought one, fitted it, loaded the tulip driver, ifconfig and were working
no hassle's at all so far. I was able to downloaded quite a bit of stuff from the
net via a corporate lan and everything was working fine.
Next I tried to FTP a tar file from another machine on the same network
(an HP9000/C180 - RISC unix worksation) -it got about 10% into the file
and then stalled. Everyting else was working but I couldn't ping anything
from the network I/F. Using ifconfig to take the I/F down and bring it back
again got things back in action.
I'm now left wondering if this card has a lockup bug like some other cards
or if this is something unique about my setup. The lockup only seemed to
occur with this one other machine but the only unique thing I can think of
about that particular peer is that it is a multi-SCSI disk machine which will
almost certainly send the file out as back-to-back ethernet frames.
Other maybe relavent information - the ethernet card is sharing IRQ11 with
the graphics card (Matrox G400 AGP) and the connection between my
machine and the problematic HP is a 10Mbit/sec switched corporate LAN
which had been working fine for indirect access to the internet.
Does anyone please have any idea what is going on here?
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From: Steven Fosdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SMC Ultra - Shared Memory NIC and PCI/BIOS trouble.
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:22:50 +0000
I tried installing an SMC Ultra network interface card in an old machine. The
driver finds the card OK but immediately I bring the card up it starts logging
receive errors rather then correctly received packets.
>From previous reading I understand that the problem is that the CPU is
not being able to read the shared memory on the NIC where the received
packet will be held, and that such memory sharing can normally be turned
on in the BIOS.
I have looked through all the BIOS menus and can't find anything that
looks like it is what I want. Does anyone please have any idea what I
can try next? The BIOS banner says something like "Award Modular
Plug and Play BIOS" and the specific version number (at the bottom of
the screen) is 03/03/97-i430VX-02071997C-00.
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From: Steven Fosdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup.hardware
Subject: Re: Unable to dial
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:31:27 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Shawn Pringle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have this call waiting feature and it changes the character of the
> dial tone when there are messages. This keeps my modem from dialing.
> Is there a wait string I can put in for this modem?
I would guess that your only option is to tell the modem not to wait for
dialtone before dialing. You can probably get it to wait a fixed time after
doing off hook instead.
Unfortunetly I can't tell you how as I don't have
a reference to teh HAYES commands set handy and anywat it could
vary from one modem to another.
Check your modem manual to see if it documents the modem command
set and f so you should be able to include the necessary config command
before the rest of the dial script.
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From: Steven Fosdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VGA Woes in X
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:47:21 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bede McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> X windows claims to support my video card and monitor, but won't let me
> go over 800x600 at 256 colours!
>
> Is this common?
> I've dried inserting my own modelines but when i reboot the x86config
> file just restores itself to its default ones.
You don't say which version of X you are running but assuming it is XFree86
then as far as I know the X server doesn't alter the XF86Config file. This
sugests that your Linux distribution has included some kind of video detection
program in the system startup sequence and it is this detector that overwrites
your XF86Config file.
When the X server is choosing a mode to run in for a given card is takes into
account the following:
+ How fast the DAC clock of the card will go.
+ What the monitor is capable of accepting.
+ How much memory the card has.
The X server can find the clock info for many cards but for some it has to be
told (in the XF86Config file) - the same is true for the ammount of memory
on the card.
It is very unlikely that the system will be able to guess of automatically
determine the capabilities of you monitor so unless you have answered
some questions about what H and V rates your monitor is capable of it\
may be assuming your monitor won't support anything higher-res.
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From: Steven Fosdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux woes (Compaq for one) on the horizon
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:05:51 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Yanglong Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I urge you to try install RHLinux on a Presario 5834 (or some thing similar) to
> verify what I'm saying.
>
> Its not so much a conspiracy against Linux. But this is for their profit, I guess.
I personally doubt if Compaq or any other PC vendor make much money from
technical support even if they do charge premium rate for it. After all they have
to employ people to provide it.
Neither do I think that any computer manufacturer with his head screwed on
would deliberately set up a sittuation that would result in more calls to a
usully overworked (and therefore slow) helpdesk and risk the bad feeling
amongst the customers that it would cause.
Many computer manufacturers probably consider the Linux marked to small
to be worth supporting (or else don't know of it) but any deliberate moves
to stop other OSes running would likely open up the manufactuer to
accusations of anti-competitive conduct and some lawyer would probably
find a way they could be sued.
Now if you can provide more information about what happens when you try to
boot from a Linux floppy like others have asked we may be able to help
diagnose what is going on (even if it is sabotage). "It doesn't work" really
doesn't help anyone solve anything - what is the last thing that appears on
the screen? Are there any error or other suspicious messages?
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From: Stuart Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Configuring Summagraphics tablet in X
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:20:14 -0400
Does anyone have a working Summagraphics SummaSketch II (MM II 1201)
graphics tablet working in Xwindows-3.3.3? I'd like to see your
XF86Config file. X won't load the driver (Summa.so) and can't run. I'm
running RedHat 6.0 on Intel PC. I know that the tablet and serial port
are OK. I've read the Xinput How-To and tried to configure it from
there. Is there something else I should know?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] <Stuart Norman>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: NOOOOOOoooo!!! Bastards!
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:37:03 -0400
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/24/2000
at 09:08 PM, Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Win, Hsp, or Soft modem are not that bad. I have been using one lately
>because I am having problems with hardware modems. I can call from a TI
>modem (ISA hardware) to an USR modem (External), but not the reverse. A
>soft modem (PCI HSP) works both ways with an USR modem. Performances are
>similiar in either cases.
Do you have this working in Linux? If so, where did you get your program
&/or drivers?
--
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Duane A. Bielling
http://www.datasync.com/~bielling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matt. 6:33; John 3:16; Rom. 8:1
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From: Chris Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HP CD-RW dies when it spins down
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:44:56 GMT
Well, I have the same problem with my HP 8250i. I had posted a message
regarding my problem a few days ago, but the message was deleted for
some reason after only a couple of days. No idea why..
Anyway, your problem sounds like your firmware needs to be upgraded.
There appears to be two versions of the HP8250i around. One is made by
Sony and the other is made by Philips. Mine is made by Philips, and it
works fine under Windows - even after 8 hours of sitting idle. You
mentioned that yours doesn't work for Windows after a certain period of
time.
I found this CD Drive comparison list at
http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/faq05.html
Click on the HP Drives and you will see this excerpt:
"There are indications that HP shipped two different drives as the 8250,
both with the same read and write speeds. The first was the Philips
CDD4201, identifiable by about 18 tiny slots along the bottom of the
face, with a hinged "drawbridge" loading door. The second was the Sony
CRX120E, which has 4 slots along the bottom of the face, and no hinged
door. The popular concensus is that the Philips versions are
problematic."
After a couple of days the HP tech staff will give you a firmware
upgrade for the HP8250i. Thats what happened to me when I wrote the
tech staff. If you don't feel like waiting, I can e-mail it to you.
Unfortunately the program told me I did not have the correct CDRW
drive. Thats when I truely figured out I had a Philips model and
noticed the 18 tiny slots along the bottom of my face plate. So
basically there's no way the upgrade can screw up your drive if you
don't have the right model.
Now, if you DO have the Philips CDRW, I have found only one solution for
Linux so far. The CDRW shuts down pretty quickly under Linux, so you'll
have to remember to do this every time your done using your CDRW. If
you use the cdrecord program, just eject and load the CDRW tray by
using the "-eject" and "-load" options. I assume this procedure works
for any other program which can eject and load a CD tray. Then for some
reason, the SCSI emulator must be happy and it can sense the drive when
it gets used next time.
I must say this is rather annoying, but nobody has yet to provide me a
better solution.
These are my errors after the CDROM shuts down and I can't get it to
work again::
=======================================================
kernel: scsi1: MEDIUM ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: Request
Sense 00
00 00 10 00
kernel: Current error sr0b:00: sense key Medium Error
kernel: CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 489036
kernel: isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=122259,
block=244518
I'm using SuSE 6.2 with a 2.2.10 kernal (and I've even tried the 2.2.14
kernal)
Well, hope some of this helps. And if anybody else can help, please do!
Chris.....
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve Martin wrote:
> Recently replaced my old CD-ROM drive with a new HP 8250i
> burner, which I'm using as the only CD-ROM drive in this RH6
> system. It works like a charm most of the time, never have
> had a problem burning discs with it, and can read discs
> in it normally. However, if I happen to put a disc in and
> leave it idle (in other words, make no accesses to the disc)
> long enough for the drive motor to spin down, the drive
> refuses to respond to any more drive requests and
> refuses to spin back up. The front panel light just blinks
> at me. (For the record, it does the same thing under
> Winsludge 95.) I thought initially that perhaps the problem
> was due to the drive being cabled as a slave against a
> HD, so I moved it to the other IDE port, but no dice; the
> problem still appears.
>
> Anybody with one of these drives ever have the same problem,
> or do I just have a lemon?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux on Athlon and K7V
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:08:21 GMT
Hi all,
I too am in the process of researching a ASUS K7V based system - running
windows and linux.
I gather from this thread that the onboard audio works under linux - the
alsa drivers and all. Thanks for that info!
My question : any comments on the AMR slot? I gather from the web that
it will probably get the cpu to do some of the (digital) stuff (while
moving the analog stuff to the riser). Is it worth it? Here I am trying
to build a performance system - I would like to save the cpu for other
stuff (a 700Mhz Athlon - I know I will not be pushing it now, but
still) I don't mind paying a bit more for a PCI modem that works under
linux (yes, I have researched that and have found there are a few that
do work - hey, one of you has contributed to that site - my thanks!).
Ya, so any comments on the pluses/minuses of using an AMR? Is anyone of
you using one already?
Curently. I will be using a analog phone line, but few months down the
line I'll be switching to DSL - any comments with that in view will help
that much more.
Thanks in advance!
-Dhawal.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've installed Linux Mandrake 7.0 on the Asus K7V (Ahtlon 700 MHz)
with
> no problems.
> This was on IDE disk. I say this because I'me having the bigges
problems
> with my Advansys SCSI controller witch only recognices the drives half
> the time.
> On the IDE disk Linux Mandrake 7.0 installed like a dream recogniced
all
> devices (have disabled onboard USB and audio). Never the less I must
> agree that K7V is a very new board and therefor berhaps not the best
> Linux board.
> I have acturlly found a small BIOS fault. Some times when rebooting
the
> BIOS thinks the previos shutdown was because of wrong overclock values
> and resets the timeing values to safe settings. They where already at
> these settings. :-/ Annoying, but no disaster.
>
> BTW I use Matrox G400 as graphics card.
>
> Daniel CHOI wrote:
> > > Has anybody installed Linux on an amd's ATHLON processor on Asus
K7 V
> > > (via 133 chipset) motherboard ?
>
> Regards
> Tellplace
> remove 'nospam.' to reply
>
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From: Torsten Evers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DRI and G400
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:58:26 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
on the DRI website is said that hardware 3d support for the Matrox G400
with DRI is on the way. But there is no schedule mentioned. Does anyone
now when it is planned to be released (even as a beta) or has anyone got
3D with XFree 4.0 to work with the "old" glx.so module ?
Bye,
Torsten
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Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI CD-RW?
From: Michael Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 01 May 2000 22:35:03 -0400
Gary Flynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
> >
> > If you're just going to be using low speed devices then Tekram
> > sells a $30 PCI that should fit the bill quite nicely for you.
>
> Thanks, I'll look into it.
Just a FYI, the TekRam 315 and 395 drivers are not yet integrated into the
standard Linux kernel. The driver sources are available at the Tekram site and
elsewhere, but it is a hassle integrating other drivers in.... The TekRam
DC-390 (without a letter suffix) has a separate driver in the kernel (I don't
know the quality of), and the DC-310 and DC-390{U,F,W,U2W} cards use the
standard 'NCR53C8xx' driver that has long been supported by Linux. The last I
checked, the DC-390F was about $70-90 (and the DC-310, DC-390W, and possibly
the DC-390U were not being sold).
--
Michael Meissner, Cygnus Solutions, a Red Hat company.
PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886, USA
Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +1 978-486-9304
Non-work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: +1 978-692-4482
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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:46:19 -0500
From: Ed Jamison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: K7 Athlon 700 or BP6 dual celeron
Steer clear of celeron, try the athlon...
"V.P." wrote:
> I'm going to buy a new Motherboard , and i don't know
>
> the best for Linux
>
> Motherboard Athlon+ k7 700 A or Abit BP6 + Dual celreon 500
>
> Any Help is apreciated
>
> Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Flat-panel displays -- recommendations?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:53:00 GMT
[I previously tried to post an article yesterday,
but it seems to
have failed, so I am retrying.]
Hello,
I am looking into flat-panel displays or
standalone LCDs that are
supported under Linux. I will be purchasing a
laptop (specifically
a Fujitsu Lifebook Series E model), but would like
a larger "flat"
screen for my non-mobile work. I will, of course,
ask their
sales representatives for information, but I would
like to be armed
with information as well if possible.
Does anyone know of good references, such as a FAQ
or web site,
that I should consult on this matter?
Alternatively, is there a
better group where I should post this question?
Or does anyone
have suggestions on models that I should consider?
My main concerns are as follows.
1. Screen size versus cost. I don't want
something as
small as the laptop's display, but I
don't want to
end up paying as much as I would for a
small car!
I would like at least a 17"-er.
2. Hardware support within the laptop. If
this model
requires a specific video card to support
it, then I
could face problems using it on the
laptop.
3. Software support within Linux. I'm sure
that most
models will either not require or provide
software
drivers under Windows. However, I'm less
confident
about that with Linux. I don't want to
buy a 19"
display for $2500 and find out that Linux
can't use
it except in VGA mode, and only the
middle 4"x4" of
the screen!
4. Reliability/customer support. I would
balk at
considering a model which, while perhaps
cutting edge,
might have reliability problems. I would
also be
concerned about whether the vendor/seller
is available
if problems arise.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Replies by
email (to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) are also most welcome!
Thank you!
Bob Carragher
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From: Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: IDE CD-RW
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:07:35 -0400
Dear all:
I am wondering where to find the info on how to make a IDE CD-RW to work
under Linux? I remember I have seen it somewhere but can not find it
now...
point me to the web site and I will play around with it...
Thanks for any info in advance.
Alex.
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