Linux-Hardware Digest #17, Volume #13 Sat, 10 Jun 00 04:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Sound with Corel Linux 1.1 ("lumien")
cheap jaz, zip, and baracuda drive and more ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Silent Power Supply? (David Maynard)
Re: Silent Power Supply? (Alexander Derevin)
Re: Silent Power Supply? ("Me")
Re: Win2000 Nt Booter and Linux ("Tim R.")
Re: Athlon recomendations (Scott Alfter)
Re: Trying to hook up an HP ScanJet 6200C to a Linux PC... ("Bartek Kostrzewa")
Re: Silent Power Supply? (Scott Alfter)
CA24074E Visio for Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Silent Power Supply? (Paul Rubin)
Re: Silent Power Supply? (Paul Rubin)
Re: accepting a call from a modem (Klaus Syttkus)
Re: Silent Power Supply? (Alexander Fong)
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From: "lumien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sound with Corel Linux 1.1
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:27:53 GMT
In order to get sound working, i recompiled the kernel and installed the
sound modules i thought i needed. I can now play audio cd's, but when i try
to play a system sound, i can hear it through the speakers, but there is
also what sounds like alot of feedback and static. And also when i run the
new test kernel, the network settings are not recognized anymore. The
network was working fine before i recompiled. Any help you could email or
post would be greatly appreciated.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:30:21 GMT
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From: David Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking
Subject: Re: Silent Power Supply?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:10:54 GMT
Paul Rubin wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> What the heck is AMD Approved about? If AMD made CPU's that were
> incompatible with standard P/S's, that would be the end of them. So I
> wouldn't worry about this issue.
Visit AMD's site for information on their approval process for Athlon
qualified power supplies. And speaking of special approvals, visit any
major memory vendor and note which ones are listed as qualified for use
in Athlon systems vs the 'regular' PC types.
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From: Alexander Derevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking
Subject: Re: Silent Power Supply?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:11:52 GMT
I have a Silencer 275 PSU and I put it head to head with a "regular"
high-quality Sparkle 300-watt ATX PSU... outside of the case, the noise made
even by the Sparke with a Yate Loon fan is neglible... what seems to matter is
that the PSU VIBRATES and that resonates off my case....
There is negligible noise difference between my $100 Silencer (that's going back
to PCP&C) and a $35 Sparkle... and the Sparkle holds voltages closer to
spec... I also tried out a 400-watt Sparkle, and that's a fair bit louder,
fan-wise... That's just sitting outside of my case.
As far as the quiet heatsinks go... if you have money, buy the high-output
Papst 60mm fans for them.. You'll wind up paying something like $20 per fan
(and I have yet to see Papst fans for sale ANYWHERE), but they're the most
powerful fans (21 cfm) in the 28-29db range. Your other contenders are the
Panasonic (17 cfm) and Sanyo Denki (19 cfm) fans, with the same noise... slap
that on an Alpha heatsink for the CPU configuration of your choice... and
you'll be in business.
One other thing to look at - CoolerMaster ATC-200 mid-tower case... Why $300
for a case, you ask? Because it's made out of aluminum - the entire case is 1)
a heatsink and 2) A sound dampener... if I haven't invested so much money into
my modded Addtronics case, I'd buy one in a jiffy... Look on the web for
reviews of such, www.gamepc.com has one and so does... SOME other site, I
forget which. But the right case (either the ATC-200, or any Palo Alto Products
case) will set your noise level lower...
Alex
Me wrote:
> Hello, I am looking for a silent power supply for a machine that will be
> going with me to college. So far I have narrowed choices to the 300-Watt PS
> at www.quietpc.com (which I gander is the same as those offered at
> www.silentpc.nl - Mr. Spammer need not tell me to go there unless you can
> give me a really good reason to. Your resellers seem a little shady to me)
> and the Silencer 275 ATX from www.pcpowercooling.com . Has anybody had any
> experience with either of these PSU's? Though the PC Power & Cooling unit
> has slightly less power, would I be better off in piece of mind with their
> quality? The only issue with them is that their Silencer PS's aren't listed
> as AMD approved, should I upgrade that route in the future, and the 400-Watt
> unit is way out of my price range. The Quietpc 300-Watt is AMD approved,
> however, but I'm not sure at what cost of noise this extra wattage comes at,
> or its reliability.
>
> While I'm on silent systems, does anyone have info on the Molex silent
> heatsink/fans? Are they really that quiet, but do they provide enough
> cooling to dissipate enough heat for, say, a Pentium-III 550E @ 733MHz?
>
> Any info that anybody could provide would be greatly appeciated. Thank you
> very much.
>
> Me
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From: "Me" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking
Subject: Re: Silent Power Supply?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:21:48 -0400
Thanks for the input!
"Paul Rubin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8hsdmg$qi6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8hsc2k$al5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hello, I am looking for a silent power supply for a machine that will be
> >going with me to college. So far I have narrowed choices to the 300-Watt
PS
> >at www.quietpc.com (which I gander is the same as those offered at
> >www.silentpc.nl - Mr. Spammer need not tell me to go there unless you can
>
> What's this about shady resellers and spam? I'm thinking of getting
> one of their disk sleeves (probably from the US reseller, to save on
> shipping) but don't want to buy from spammers.
Well there was an individual who's ben posting on the www.storagereview.com
forum essentially soliciting silentpc.nl on the discussion boards, which was
considered inappropriate by many. That's the extent of the spam (I don't
think he's resorted to mass mailing yet), but I thought I'd be careful
anyhow. The US reseller ( www.nwccomputers.com right?) just makes me feel
wary, though I know I shouldn't base my impressions on web design alone (but
you know what they say about first impressions). I tried to check out what
shipping costs would be to the east coast, but their order form casually
states that they wouldn't quote shipping till AFTER I placed my order.
Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but I did not find that to be th standard
protocol for allowing the customer all the information that they want. Also,
www.resellerratings.com had a not-so-favorable impression of them. However,
I have no personal experience with the company, so do not let me dissuade
you from making a more convenient purchase. I just thought I'd do a little
research before buying online from them.
>
> >give me a really good reason to. Your resellers seem a little shady to
me)
> >and the Silencer 275 ATX from www.pcpowercooling.com . Has anybody had
any
> >experience with either of these PSU's? Though the PC Power & Cooling unit
> >has slightly less power, would I be better off in piece of mind with
their
> >quality?
>
> I have the AT version of the Silencer and it is great. It appears though
> to be a fairly normal P/S with a quieter-than-usual fan. PC P&C will
> sell these fans for around $10 if you want to put one in another P/S.
BTW, any idea what this Q-Sound technology is used in the QuietPC p/s? I
dunno if it's relevent, or if PC Power's got anything equivalent, or if it's
even worth writing home about.
>
> >The only issue with them is that their Silencer PS's aren't listed
> >as AMD approved, should I upgrade that route in the future, and the
400-Watt
> >unit is way out of my price range. The Quietpc 300-Watt is AMD approved,
> >however, but I'm not sure at what cost of noise this extra wattage comes
at,
> >or its reliability.
>
> What the heck is AMD Approved about? If AMD made CPU's that were
> incompatible with standard P/S's, that would be the end of them. So I
> wouldn't worry about this issue.
It's just that since AMD's Athlons consume such a massive amount of power,
motherboard manufacturers and p/s manufacturers alike did not anticipate the
amount of current the Athlon would draw, hence AMD created a list of power
supplies it deemed were [recommended to be] powerful enough to drive their
procs. The whitepaper is somewhere on their website. However, toss in a
GeForce or Voodoo card, and some RAID, and see how far it gets then...
However, just b/c a ps isn't listed doesn't necessarily mean it won't work
on an Athlon. I guess it's just more peace of mind (and yes, a good
marketing ploy).
>
> >While I'm on silent systems, does anyone have info on the Molex silent
> >heatsink/fans? Are they really that quiet, but do they provide enough
> >cooling to dissipate enough heat for, say, a Pentium-III 550E @ 733MHz?
>
> This is probably asking for trouble.
Darn. Any suggestions on a powerful yet quiet heatsink/fan? My Globalwin
sounds like a jet engne...
Thanks again!
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:30:02 -0500
From: "Tim R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Win2000 Nt Booter and Linux
Doc Shipley wrote:
> "Tim R." wrote:
> > but i recently installed nt 4 server and would like to either use its
> > bootloader to boot linux, or else figure out how to use lilo to boot nt, win95,
> > and linux
> >
> > --Tim
>
> Tim, what distribution are you using? Give us the distro and your HDD
> partition setup and it should be pretty easy to walk you through it. Is
> NT on FAT or NTFS?
>
> --
> Doc Shipley
> Network Support
> TARL Labs, UT
> Austin, Texas
Well i went and got lilo booting either linux or nt's bootloader. can lilo boot nt
itself and not just its boot loader?
can nt bootload boot the kernel itself and not just lilo?
--tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Athlon recomendations
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:31:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gero H. Marten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You obviously aren't serving a network, running apache, sendmail, inn,
>junkbuster, bind, samba, etc. simultaneously. Athlons are never used
>as servers, because they are not 100% i386 compatible.
>From what orifice did you extract this bit of info? I'm surprised your
email address doesn't end in "@intel.com".
(I don't currently have any K7s, but I've run all of the software you've
mentioned on hardware as "wimpy" (by modern standards) as a Cx5x86-120. My
current firewall machine is a 300-MHz K6-2, and the workstation from which
I'm typing this is a 450-MHz K6-III that frequently runs Linux and Win98
simultaneously (thank you, VMware :-) ) and has run everything I've thrown
at it.)
> Remember, Linux
>was written for the i386 chipset.
The 386 wasn't a chipset, it was a microprocessor. I don't even recall if
chipsets (in the modern sense) even existed back when everybody was using
386s (motherboards typically held the processor, RAM, RTC, and keyboard
controller, and that was it).
>More questions? Be advised, not to
>by an Athlon if you want to do serious work under Linux.
FWIW, I've had more problems with machines bearing "Intel Inside" stickers
than with the various Cyrix- and AMD-based machines I've used over the
years. Has AMD ever had problems as big as Intel has had with the Pentium?
Check the Linux source some time (I recommend paying particular attention to
arch/i386/kernel/setup.c) and compare how many bugs in Intel processors
Linux has to work around vs. how many bugs in AMD (or Cyrix or anyone else,
for that matter) processors Linux has to work around.
You'd be well-advised to get a clue before speaking on that about which you
know nothing.
_/_
/ v \
(IIGS( Scott Alfter (remove Voyager's hull number for email address)
\_^_/ http://salfter.dyndns.org
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From: "Bartek Kostrzewa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.turbolinux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,alt.comp.periphs.scanner
Subject: Re: Trying to hook up an HP ScanJet 6200C to a Linux PC...
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:36:10 +0200
John Buell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
1gG_4.2718$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| "Bartek Kostrzewa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
| news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| > John Buell wrote:
| > >
| > > I've got the scanner connected, but I'm not sure it's even being
| detected by
| > > my SCSI card (a Tekram DC-390 series). It's an HP ScanJet with both
USB
| and
| > > SCSI II interfaces in the back. I've currently got a SCSI II to SCSI
III
| > > cable connecting the scanner to the Linux PC, with nothing at all
| plugged
| > > into the USB port. I've also downloaded and have been trying to
compile
| Sane
| > > 1.02, and I'm thinking I might need to download the HP ScanJet backend
| from
| > > kirchgessner.net on its own and compile that as well. I'd really
REALLY
| like
| > > to get this to work, as otherwise I've wasted $55 on a really nice
SCSI
| > > cable, and the alternative is replacing some cards in the Linux PC so
I
| have
| > > USB connectivity. Any suggestions?
| > >
| > > My apologies in advance if you've heard this all before; even pointers
| to
| > > some helpful FAQs would be useful at this point. Thanks in advance.
| > >
| > > Sincerely,
| > > John Buell
| >
| > This SCSI card looks like something unsupported... I also have a
| > ScanJet (with the only difference that it is SCSI only) but an Adaptec
| > SCSI card (29160N 160 MB/s).. maybe that's the prob
| >
| > --
| > Best regards,
| > Bartek Kostrzewa - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > http://technoage.web.lu
|
| The DC390 series using the NCR53c8X5 chip is supposed to be supported
under
| the Linux kernel since sometime in the 2.1 tree. However, the person that
| maintains the driver has it available for download in a gzip/tar format,
so
| I'll see if I can update the driver and then see what that does.
|
| -John
|
Can't help you much but say that my scanner works with SANE without probs
|
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter)
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking
Subject: Re: Silent Power Supply?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:58:43 GMT
In article <8hsdmg$qi6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <8hsc2k$al5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>The only issue with them is that their Silencer PS's aren't listed
>>as AMD approved, should I upgrade that route in the future, and the 400-Watt
>>unit is way out of my price range. The Quietpc 300-Watt is AMD approved,
>>however, but I'm not sure at what cost of noise this extra wattage comes at,
>>or its reliability.
>
>What the heck is AMD Approved about? If AMD made CPU's that were
>incompatible with standard P/S's, that would be the end of them. So I
>wouldn't worry about this issue.
The K7's only real disadvantage is that it sucks down LOTS of power, so a
power supply capable of delivering enough power with good-enough regulation
to keep your system from glitching is a must. AMD has evaluated some power
supplies to determine their suitability for use in K7 boxen. I suspect that
most power supplies rated for at least 300 watts will work OK, but it's less
of a crapshoot if you buy from the approved list.
(The same applies to motherboards for the K6-2 and K6-III...lists of
approved motherboards (detailed down to particular revisions of certain
boards) are also provided, but I can speak from experience that you can
stray to some extent from these recommendations and still have a working
system. I had a 300-MHz K6-2 on an FIC VA-503+ (VIA MVP3, on approved list)
as my primary system for a long time. That processor got moved to other
motherboards in another system...first to a Supermicro P5MMS98 (Intel 430TX,
not on approved list), then to an Asus SP97-XV (SiS 5598, not on approved
list). The VA-503+, in the meantime, is now running a 450-MHz K6-III. FIC
doesn't recommend this processor for the particular motherboard revision I
have, but it's worked fine for me for the past few months (just needed a
BIOS upgrade).)
_/_
/ v \
(IIGS( Scott Alfter (remove Voyager's hull number for email address)
\_^_/ http://salfter.dyndns.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Rubin)
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking
Subject: Re: Silent Power Supply?
Date: 10 Jun 2000 07:21:44 GMT
Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What's this about shady resellers and spam? I'm thinking of getting
>> one of their disk sleeves (probably from the US reseller, to save on
>> shipping) but don't want to buy from spammers.
>
>Well there was an individual who's ben posting on the www.storagereview.com
>forum essentially soliciting silentpc.nl on the discussion boards, which was
>considered inappropriate by many. That's the extent of the spam (I don't
>think he's resorted to mass mailing yet), but I thought I'd be careful anyhow.
Crud, that's not so nice.
>The US reseller ( www.nwccomputers.com right?)
yes
>just makes me feel wary, though I know I shouldn't base my
>impressions on web design alone (but you know what they say about
>first impressions).
The page isn't slick, but I'm ok with that. I don't want to pay for that
anyway.
>I tried to check out what shipping costs would be
>to the east coast, but their order form casually states that they
>wouldn't quote shipping till AFTER I placed my order.
Yes, that bothered me too. I just figured I'd call them on the phone
and ask for a quote. I'll really be pissed if it turns out to be some
enormous amount because they're going to airmail from europe.
>Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but I did not find that to be th
>standard protocol for allowing the customer all the information that
>they want. Also, www.resellerratings.com had a not-so-favorable
>impression of them.
THAT'S interesting and not so encouraging.
>However, I have no personal experience with the
>company, so do not let me dissuade you from making a more convenient
>purchase. I just thought I'd do a little research before buying
>online from them.
>BTW, any idea what this Q-Sound technology is used in the QuietPC p/s? I
>dunno if it's relevent, or if PC Power's got anything equivalent, or if it's
>even worth writing home about.
No idea. Probably some meaningless marketing term.
>
>> >While I'm on silent systems, does anyone have info on the Molex silent
>> >heatsink/fans? Are they really that quiet, but do they provide enough
>> >cooling to dissipate enough heat for, say, a Pentium-III 550E @ 733MHz?
>>
>> This is probably asking for trouble.
>
>Darn. Any suggestions on a powerful yet quiet heatsink/fan? My Globalwin
>sounds like a jet engne...
I think basically if you want your cpu to run cool, you should underclock
it, not overclock it. If you really need 733 mhz, it sounds like something
is wrong with your software.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Rubin)
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking
Subject: Re: Silent Power Supply?
Date: 10 Jun 2000 07:48:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alexander Derevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a Silencer 275 PSU and I put it head to head with a "regular"
>high-quality Sparkle 300-watt ATX PSU... outside of the case, the noise made
>even by the Sparke with a Yate Loon fan is neglible... what seems to matter is
>that the PSU VIBRATES and that resonates off my case....
The main noise-reduction method of the Silencer seems to be its fan,
whose blades are shaped a little differently than conventional fans.
My Silencer (200 watt AT slim) is definitely noticably quieter than
the generic PS that it replaced. I haven't tried the Sparkle--where
can I get one?
>As far as the quiet heatsinks go... if you have money, buy the high-output
>Papst 60mm fans for them.. You'll wind up paying something like $20 per fan
>(and I have yet to see Papst fans for sale ANYWHERE), but they're the most
>powerful fans (21 cfm) in the 28-29db range. Your other contenders are the
>Panasonic (17 cfm) and Sanyo Denki (19 cfm) fans, with the same noise... slap
>that on an Alpha heatsink for the CPU configuration of your choice... and
>you'll be in business.
Interesting. Again I'd be interested to know of vendors. I was using a
PC Power and Cooling cpu fan on my old Pentium 120 but sold that machine
and now have an AMD K6-2 333 with a generic heatsink/fan. I was thinking
of getting one of the quietpc.com fans but other suggestions are welcome.
>One other thing to look at - CoolerMaster ATC-200 mid-tower case... Why $300
>for a case, you ask? Because it's made out of aluminum - the entire case is 1)
>a heatsink and 2) A sound dampener... if I haven't invested so much money into
>my modded Addtronics case, I'd buy one in a jiffy... Look on the web for
>reviews of such, www.gamepc.com has one and so does... SOME other site, I
>forget which. But the right case (either the ATC-200, or any Palo Alto Products
>case) will set your noise level lower...
Hmm, this is interesting too, I'll look for it. I've also been
thinking of sticking my PC (generic mini/mid tower) in a closet and
lining the closet with sound absorbing foam (www.soundproofing.org).
Unfortunately my closet is too far from my desk for my monitor cable
to reach. So if I put it in the closet, I'd probably just use it as a
file server for my laptop. That would let me silence the laptop by
removing its hard disk, at least when I'm using it at home.
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From: Klaus Syttkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: accepting a call from a modem
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:55:05 +0000
Hi,
the setting mentioned below will make the modem pick up the line, but to
make the computer react you need to set up a getty (man getty).
I recommend mgetty.
The proper way is to leave S0 zero and have the getty pick up the phone;
this way the modem does not answer the phone when the computer is dead.
Regards,
Klaus.
Henrik Carlqvist wrote:
> To make a modem answer incoming calls you should modify the S0 register.
> To make it answer after the first ring you could use an init string like
> this:
>
> ATS0=1
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From: Alexander Fong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking
Subject: Re: Silent Power Supply?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:04:57 -0400
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, David Maynard wrote:
> Paul Rubin wrote:
> <snip>
> > What the heck is AMD Approved about? If AMD made CPU's that were
> > incompatible with standard P/S's, that would be the end of them. So I
> > wouldn't worry about this issue.
> Visit AMD's site for information on their approval process for Athlon
> qualified power supplies. And speaking of special approvals, visit any
> major memory vendor and note which ones are listed as qualified for use
> in Athlon systems vs the 'regular' PC types.
The main problem lies in that Athlon is a very power-hungry processor.
Another problem is that PSUs aren't all made to spec. I believe Anandtech
had a PSU review a while back showing that lots of stock PSUs didn't stand
up to the standard.
I had to replace my PSU a while back. Very flaky lately. Shoved 3.9V
down my 3.3V rail, which doubles as the VIO on an Abit BX6r2. I don't
think the DIMMs liked that too much (I had a DIMM that wasn't working
properly to start with, just that this bloody thing made things even
WORSE...)
--
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