Linux-Hardware Digest #303, Volume #13 Thu, 27 Jul 00 07:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: If Linux, which? If not Linux, what? NOT flame-bait! (WhoCares)
Re: ASUS or ABIT? what is better? (Tim Moore)
Re: KA7-100 HPT370 RAID in Linux problems (Tim Moore)
X on Toshiba Satellite Pro with S3 Savage/ix graphic adapter ("Franz Stuckenberg")
AROWANA Mini-Tower N2 ("Sven Zaugg")
Processor upgrade ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Laserjet 1100 and delay between pages ("The Black Crow")
Re: SB live and RH 6.1 (newbie) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Deskpro 590 Qvison driver (Anders =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D6stling?=)
Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch: Experiences? (Kim Carter)
Re: If Linux, which? If not Linux, what? NOT flame-bait! (Thomas F. Unke)
Re: Processor upgrade (Kenneth R�rvik)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WhoCares)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc
Subject: Re: If Linux, which? If not Linux, what? NOT flame-bait!
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:20:04 GMT
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:24:44 GMT, Stephen Montgomery-Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> decided to say:
}Smitty wrote:
}>
}> p.s. Skip the BSD Linux emulation. It is not reliable and is more of a
}> gimmick.
}
}I find the main problem with Linux emulation is when I don't have
}quite the right libraries in /usr/compat/linux. But I have this
}same problem with difference distributions of Linux.
}
}For example, I had a much easier time getting wordperfect 8 to work
}on FreeBSD than SuSE 6.4.
}
}The milestone builds of mozilla for linux never seem to run for me
}on FreeBSD - complains about some library or other missing. But
}the same thing on SuSE 6.4 caused my whole computer to spontaneously
}reboot.
}
}In my experience, every linux program that I have found useful -
}netscape, acrobat reader, mathematica, maple, wordperfect 8,
}staroffice has run on my FreeBSD computer with no trouble.
}
}Linux emulation is definitely not a gimmick - it is extremely useful.
}
}--
}Stephen Montgomery-Smith
}Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211
}Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869
}http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
While we're on the subject, has anyone out there found out how to get
Civilization: Call to Power to work on OpenBSD under emulation?
I know it's been run succesfully under FreeBSD, but I always get a bad
system call error when I try it on OpenBSD. I'm going to throw in the
glibc files in /emul/linux and give it another shot later, nothing too
important, but I figured I'd ask around.
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From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ASUS or ABIT? what is better?
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:53:04 GMT
> which motherboard is better: the ASUS or the ABIT?
> i need the mainboard for an athlon k7 700 and for me
> it is important that there are a lot of slots like 5x PCI
> and so on ....
I looked at both the Asus and Abit boards. Ended up with the KA7. Split
FSB/CPU/PCI speed controls, 2GB memory, no wasted modem riser slot. The
KA7-100 adds ATA-66/100. I've run Abit BP6 and Asus P3B-F, P2B-F, P2B,
P2L97. You can't go wrong with any of the top boards from either one.
AMD is kicking some serious butt. I want a sticker that says "No Intel
Inside".
--
timothymoore
bigfoot
com
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From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,linux.help
Subject: Re: KA7-100 HPT370 RAID in Linux problems
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:01:53 GMT
Sorry about the previoux post I didn't read carefully enough. Linux uses
software raid which needs to be selected at kernel configuration time.
Search this page for 'raid'
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/
or look here
http://www.google.com/linux?q=raid+linux+howto&site=search&restrict=linux&hl=en&safe=off&btnG=Google+Search
> that I have set up in a RAID 0 array through the HPT370 chipset. The array
> is recognized fine and works perfectly through windows98 recognizing the
> array as one 60GB hard drive, but when I try and install Linux, it detects
> the two hard drives independently of each other and not as an array... why
> is this happening, and does anybody know any way that I can get linux to
> recognize the array and not the two independent hard drives???
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timothymoore
bigfoot
com
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From: "Franz Stuckenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X on Toshiba Satellite Pro with S3 Savage/ix graphic adapter
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:11:13 +0200
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CD-ROM. I've download a driver from the S3 home page. To install it, I =
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From: "Sven Zaugg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: AROWANA Mini-Tower N2
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:33:10 +0200
hello together
is the AROWANA Mini-Tower N2 a good thing?
or are there any disadvantages?
thnx for answering
gizmob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Processor upgrade
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:13:55 GMT
Hi
I have a spare Socket 7 motherboard hanging around. I'd like to use it
to upgrade the DX4/100 that's currently running RH6.2 for me.
The clock/multipliers suggest it was designed to run Pentium MMX upto
233Mhz.
I'd like to get around 500MHz, so can I put any other processor (like a
K6) in here that would be faster, and actually work of with the current
installation?
If not are there any issues I should know about re choosing a new
mobo/cpu pair? (Well known chipset oddities, etc). Any good reference
sites for this sort of thing, 'good' meaning up to date and Linux
focused?
Cheers
IanC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("The Black Crow")
Subject: Re: Laserjet 1100 and delay between pages
Date: 27 Jul 2000 11:31:38 +0200
Tim Moore wrote:
>I've an 1100 that has printed fine from 2.2.5-2.2.17pre2,
>RH6.x base, setup with printtool using HP Laserjet 4/5/6
>non-postscript filter.
Hi Tim,
thank you very much for the reply and the code.
It's just what I have on my system *sigh*... so now I wonder...
how much memory do you have in the printer? cause I'm starting
to think it could be a compression/decompression delay time due
to the fact that i have only 2mb on the printer... but before
buying more memory i'd like to know if it actually depends on
that :-)
Thanx a lot in advance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SB live and RH 6.1 (newbie)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:48:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
NecroBurn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just installed RH 6.1 no lin modem so i cant upgrade kernel
> (no that i could even if i did) but all the same i have the SB
> Live, Value i thinkg SB live either way, it dont play sound and
> i dont know how to make it play sound... please help?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
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Hi,
Go here for explanations
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/soundcards/sblive.html
and here for drivers
http://opensource.soundblaster.com/snapshot.html
Good luck.
>
>
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From: Anders =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D6stling?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Deskpro 590 Qvison driver
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:27:59 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a FAQ on getting the Deskpro XL to run Linux. The major problem is
that the PCI bios is on a non-standard address (see the FAQ).
>From memory, I bealive that the video chip is a Matrox chip and that the
builtin ethernet is an AMD. Again, more details are in the faq. You find
it...
/Anders
Stephen Woolerton wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can get a Compaq deskpro 590 video driver for
> Linux?
> Also, do you know which driver to use for the mouse - have tried a few and
> in the end stuck on serial mouse on COM1, but do need to get the Compaq
> mouse going.
>
> Thanks
>
> Stephen Woolerton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim Carter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch: Experiences?
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:14:24 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When the FedEx guy gets here with my CPU, I will finally have all the
> hardware for a complete computer. This is my first go at building my
> own computer from scratch. It's mission: to serve HTTP connections
> with Apache and run a smallish database with PostgreSQL. The web
> pages will contain dynamic content using mod_perl and PostgreSQL. For
> remote configuration and programming, I will be using SSH.
>
> But this post is about the hardware side of things.
>
> I have been in the Intel world ever since the 386 came out. All my
> computers have been pre-built by some other manufacture. The two
> computers I have running now on a home LAN are both made by Gateway
> 2000. Since getting my first Gateway 2K, I have gone from a solid
> Windows user to a Linux zelot. It just happened. Now I am building a
> server that I am hoping will be able to handle traffic as high as 1000
> page views per hour. I don't think I will see that sort of traffic
> for a while though. When I do reach that level, perhaps I will be
> able to add more hardware.
>
> My first instinct was to look for a pre-built system. That is the
> easiest thing to do. VA Linux was attractive to me because they seem
> to have good prices and are pre-configured with Linux. There is no
> Windows tax with their systems, unlike with GW2K, Dell, and others.
>
> I speced out a system for $855 which was about as much as I wanted to
> pay for the box. Then a friend of mine convinced me that I could do
> much better if I built my own. I decided to give it a go. The
> possiblity of saving money was very attractive to me. All I had to do
> was make sure I bought Linux friendly hardware.
At least in the UK, if you want something pretty commonplace, you don't
generally save much if anything. If however, like me you prefer SCSI,
don't give a damn about sound cards and/or '3D Gaming cards' etc you do
make savings. (Basically because most vendors don't make them).
In short the further your spec is from a stock item sold by all, the better
your chances of making savings. With more commonplace specs, you are more
likely to not 'make savings' but get better quality hardware in the areas
that *matter to you*.
>
> Being new to the build your own PC game, I looked around the Internet
> for a few web sites that tell you how to do it. The ones with the
> most basic tutorials were well out of date. When some site talks
> about a hot new Pentium processor instead of the more affordable 486,
> you know time has passed since the author put the page together. A
> lot of time. After all, one human year is about 70 computer years.
This is true but most of the internals have not changed a vast amount.
Like Linux a lot of the docs are 'missing' or 'out of date' but once one
understands the principles, it's not difficult.
One source of info often missed is the motherboards news groups (in the
alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.xxxxx hiararchy) - get some idea of what users
think, obviously windows dominated but ...
Group tests (at least in UK magazines) usually list the parts used inc.
motherboards, Disk drives etc - It's not unusual to find there's a
correlation between performance and particular components.
re purchases/assembly, common problems include -
Hard disks and PSUs dead on arrival.
PSUs with to few power connectors and not long enough to reach 1/2 the
drive bays.
Cases made so cabling can only be routed where it obstructs airflow.
PSU fans that suck when the layout of the case requires a fan that blows
(or vice versa). - This can apply even when supplied with the case.
Memory sticks put in unfastened Anti stat containers and floating around
the packaging on arrival. Dead,Alive or Crippled, who knows? once its
been inserted 'obviously you didn't take anti-stat precautions'.
OEM versions being provided instead of retail, and thus no/feeble docs,
missing fastenings/connectors etc. (And in some cases lack of support/
poorer specs).
*Exact* part numbers make a difference - and sales staff often neither
know nor care.(Or for online ordering the part# is ambiguous)
DOS/Win only BIOS utils for Flash BIOS'
Missing Cables.
M/B documentation that is 'generic' and does not cover the particular M/B
you bought. It's also usually in 'international english ...'
Disk Drive 'Cages' that foul processor heatsinks etc.
Anti EMI (screening) contacts that spring out of position (and possibly
short something out) when finally fitting that last fastening.
I live on an island so delivery charges are always a ripoff.
Companies that say everything is in stock, you then get a partial delivery
because some parts weren't ... they then deliver the rest and try and charge
you 2 sets of delivery charges.
Mains Cables having US/European connectors.
Cards with connectors that won't fit though the apertures at the back of
the case or won't allow connectors to go fully home.
Cases that require stuff to be assembled in a (usually illogical) order
because fastenings are obscured.
Damaged connectors - eg wide SCSI connectors only need to be very slightly
misaligned to be busted permanently when connecting.
So why after many years of building my own PCs why do I still do it?
#1 - I'm crazy
#2 - I *know* there are no proprietry 'gotchas'.
#3 - If I want another disk drive, CD etc just plug it in (OK set the
address jumpers first).
#4 - Every part is a part I've chosen, the tradeoffs are mine, not what
'the average person' wants.
#5 - I have what documentation is available for all components.
#6 - Unless one goes for one of the big names, who are more likely to
use proprietry components, build standards of ready built PCs
can create just as many hassles (As can poor packaging/QA,
stock control/distribution - the only difference is the number
of opportunities for things to go wrong).
> Has anyone else had similar experiences to mine? Does life get easier
> in the build your own PC game? I feel a lot like I should have just
> gone with VA Linux and be done with it.
>
> Now I have an e-mail to send.
>
Over the last few years, things have improved somewhat but your experiences
are not by any means uncommon. I suspect you will find that you have not
saved much over a 'comparable' system (If at all). However, assuming
you did enough research you will have a box that does precisely what you
need better than a commercial box and one you can upgrade more easily when
it becomes necessary. Yes it does get easier over time but only because
you expect and accept the hassles (and get to know how to minimise them).
Check all components (especially connectors) for damage immediately they are
delivered and that all 'plugin components' are correctly inserted.
Note all settings of jumpers, switches etc - do not assume they are set to
what the manual claims the default is .
Do a complete trial build (or at least assume the first build may be one).
You may want to drill holes for cable clips etc or 'ease' some of the existing
slots/holes.
Make sure you have a supply of cable ties/ribbon cable clips and use them.
If cables are to short or marginal, deal with it now - many local computer
shops, here at least, will assemble ribbons at relatively low cost. Otherwise
fitting that fancy new add on later will be a real PITA and there's nothing
much more annoying than an intermittent connection.
Good Luck
Kim
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From: Thomas F. Unke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc
Subject: Re: If Linux, which? If not Linux, what? NOT flame-bait!
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:58:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) writes:
> >
> The BSD Linux emulation works for EVERY application that I have tried,
> including Netscape and acroread.
Add Applixware and StarOffice.
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Subject: Re: Processor upgrade
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth R�rvik)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:56:41 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <8lougi$5he$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Hi
>
>I have a spare Socket 7 motherboard hanging around. I'd like to use it
>to upgrade the DX4/100 that's currently running RH6.2 for me.
>
>The clock/multipliers suggest it was designed to run Pentium MMX upto
>233Mhz.
>
>I'd like to get around 500MHz, so can I put any other processor (like a
>K6) in here that would be faster, and actually work of with the current
>installation?
Take a look at the board, and find out what the maximum clock is (max
multiplier*max FSB clock). I have a Gigabyte GA-5AX myself, for which the
manual says it supports CPUs up to 300MHz. However, with 66-100MHz FSB and
multipliers up to 5.5, I can easily get 550MHz. Even though my Bios only
reports it as 400... :)
I'd definitely consider getting a K6-2 at a suitable speed - they are cheap
and excellent. (Near PII performance). Just make sure you have RAM that can
keep up with the FSB.
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