Linux-Hardware Digest #222, Volume #14 Mon, 22 Jan 01 10:13:05 EST
Contents:
win-partition recovery (Christoph =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E4hnigen?=)
Re: To Linux Nazi (john green)
Re: HP Colorado (Pete Ritter)
Scanning SCSI hardware after startup ("max")
Re: win-partition recovery ("max")
Re: eata failes to load on dual SCSI EISA-system (Gereon Wenzel)
Re: To all linux user...... ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: 3rd Day Same Modem and Same story...... ("Peter T. Breuer")
sound card (es1371) and xmms and studio (Eros Albertazzi)
ELSA GLADIAC MX with ELSA GLADIAC Video Module (Joerg Klinkhammer)
Re: Scanning SCSI hardware after startup (Udo Wolter)
Re: MPEG-2 decoder (Udo Wolter)
Re: Linux on Sequent S2000 ("JP")
Re: To all linux user...... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can anyone pleaseeeeee help me.... (Johan Kullstam)
Re: MVP3 IRQ hell (Sinner from the Prairy)
Re: To Linux Nazi (Kenneth R�rvik)
Re: Linux reboots suddenly
Re: sound card (es1371) and xmms and studio (Lew Pitcher)
Re: To all linux user...... (Sinner from the Prairy)
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From: Christoph =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E4hnigen?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: win-partition recovery
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:31:58 +0100
Hi,
i've got a problem with my win32 partition and can't start or reinstall
win98, so i try to find a linux tool for checking and repairing my win32
partitions and their fat, before i need to format them. Can anyone help
me?
Christoph J=E4hnigen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: john green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Linux Nazi
Date: 22 Jan 2001 12:34:56 +0000
"Tina Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[stressed win user's remarks]
> Please don't massacre truth for your hypocrisy.
>
> Respectfully
> Tina
Phew, if that's respectful I wouldn't like to get
on her wrong side :-)
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J.J.Green, Dept. Applied Math. University of Sheffield, UK
http://www.arbs.demon.co.uk
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From: Pete Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HP Colorado
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:55:12 GMT
Gustav J Kramer wrote:
>
> Anyone have any luck using an HP Colorado 5GB (Travan) IDE tape drive under
> linux? Am using RH6.2, Kudzu saw the drive and installed something but
> neither Arkeia nor Taper seem to support the drive. Any suggestions?
Welcome to the club. This is a frequent question here, as I have seen
the past few weeks since I've been trying to get my HP Colorado 8GB
working. Some seem to have success and others lots of problems. I
unfortunately am in the latter category.
Here's a quick dump of the info I know.
You can configure it as a regular IDE device or as a SCSI emulated
device. Most of the advice I've seen here is to go with SCSI emulation.
If you go IDE, the device is /dev/ht0. Be sure that TAPE env. var is
set to /dev/ht0. That's all you should have to do. Use mt to test (but
it must be rev 0.5 or greater);
mt -f /dev/ht0 retension
Try writing to the device with tar or cpio or the like. Then try
reading it back. If you have any problems up to here, you're on your
own because I could (appearently) write to the tape but not read and
that's where I gave up.
I tried SCSI emulation. I Reconfigured the kernel for this by answering
"N" to "IDE tape support" and "Y" to "SCSI emulation", "SCSI support",
"SCSI tape support" and "SCSI generic support" and relinking. The
device is /dev/st0. I think you also have to add this to lilo.conf:
append=" hdc=ide-scsi" (change hdc to whatever your drive is)
I also did
modprobe ide-scsi
after boot. I still have no luck; every operation I attempt to /dev/st0
results in I/O error, with or without the append and modprobe.
So that's were I sit now. I hope you have better luck. Please let us
know what you did if you get it working. Next time you post, include
the output of dmesg. The experts know how to read it and it helps them
to help you.
Good luck.
--
cpritter
home
com
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From: "max" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Scanning SCSI hardware after startup
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:03:51 +0100
Hi all,
I would like to know how to rescan the SCSI controller for new hardware. I
have a PCI SCSI adapter with 2 devices attached to it: a CDRW
(internal) and a tape drive (external).
The tape device is an older Python DAT drive, which has it's own power
supply & cooler, so it generates a lot of heat and makes a lot of noise.
Since I don't use it that much, I mostly have it switched off. When the
device is 'down', the SCSI controller doesn't see it at boot time of
course and the system just sees the internal SCS This means that when I
want to use it the only way to get it 'known' in my Linux (RH7.0) is to
reboot the machine. I can understand the reboot if it was a
Windows-system, but surely there's a Linux command somewhere which will
rescan the bus at 'controller-level'...
Regards, max
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From: "max" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: win-partition recovery
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:05:34 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christoph
=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E4hnigen?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i've got a problem with my win32 partition and can't start or reinstall
> win98, so i try to find a linux tool for checking and repairing my win32
> partitions and their fat, before i need to format them. Can anyone help
> me?
>
> Christoph J�hnigen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux also has a command 'fdisk', which lets you play around with
partitions.
good luck
max
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From: Gereon Wenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: eata failes to load on dual SCSI EISA-system
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:18:40 +0100
O.K. second stage reached.
I had to boot with LINUX ide1=noprobe
Now I can install SuSE but after reboot i get lots of file system
errors.
Gereon Wenzel
Gereon Wenzel schrieb:
>
> O.K. first part solved, IRQ 15 was mapped to PCI.
> Tomsrtbt loads eata correct now, but isn't able to fdisk due to missing
> partition table
> SuSE detects the WD1003 emulation as hdc, hdd and occupies IRQ 15
> eata load failes cause dev or resource busy.(irq15 is shown to be mapped
> to ide1)
> How to load from installdisk without ide probe?
> is there any ide=noprobe?
>
> Gereon Wenzel
>
> Gereon Wenzel schrieb:
> >
> > I have an IBM Server 300 (EISA/PCI) and want to install an eata
> > Smartcache III
> > Array controller.
> > System has an AHA 2742T as primary SCSI (slot 5)Card for Boot and CD
> > Rom.
> > The PM 2021 (slot3) has 16M Cache and Raid modules installed and 5 IBM
> > DPES 1080.
> > configured a 2disk raid 1 for swap and /usr and 3disk raid 5 for
> > anything else.
> > DPTMGR is set to Solaris as OS.
> >
> > Now my experiences:
> > Suse 6.3 Boot detects the WD 1003 emulation on sec port
> > after detecting hdd 'irq probe failed' system freezes.
> > Tomsrtbt loads up, but eata driver freezes the system after
> > detecting eata(2) on 0x58cc (this should be the adaptec adress)
> >
> > switching to the DPT as primary card,
> > suse boots up, but driver failes after trying to detect the secondary.
> >
> > Any hints how to fix the problem?
> > Got the same configuration running NT on a SNI PCD-5T without any
> > problems.
> >
> > Gereon Wenzel
> >
> > PS: BTW does anybody know if DPT site is mirrored somewhere or
> > is adaptec the only site where I can find DPT stuff?
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To all linux user......
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:53:48 +0100
Tina Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Once again you have come up with another idiotic fraudulent argument. My
> English is just fine, It's my spelling, I'm from Finland. But now I live in
Aaaaaaaah. Your english is indeed understandable, but suffers from
consistent problems.
> Canada, I can speak in Russian, Finns, French. and little bit English. And I
OK, that explains why you are dropping most articles, getting tenses
wrong, and so on. As a 4th language, that's not at all bad, although it
appears from the way you use it that you have been learning it from a
drunk unemployed vietnam war veteran. While I speak four languages too,
I've certainly had a lot more years than you to learn ...
> am not a child, I'm 16, going to 17. I maybe a girl but I can beat the hell
> out you....
:-). That explains why your writing skills in english are at the ten
year old level ... presumably you have had far less than ten years to
learn english in! And fewer to practise writing. I certainly
wouldn't pretend to write as well as I can speak in most languages.
Writing requires more formality, and often uses altogether a different
form of the language.
> You know, you live in most strange bizarre place or it's just something in
> you picking up someone weakness, you say my English is bad, but what about
> you huh? You read less and "talk" which eventually become "barking' now don'
> t get offensive.
> I stated I CAN'T USE MAKE. I extract folder, Now I know I don't have make
You don't have make installed. If you don't have something you need, get it
and install it.
> command and I just downloaded.
Downloaded what?
> Maybe you need to educated yourself and learn HOW TO READ AND THEN RESPOND,
> otherwise people will think you are an educated ignorant.
Tina, if you would stop defending yourself against imagined attacks, nazis,
communists, ignoramoruses and hippopotami, you would get ahead faster.
First of all, the computer is immune to whatever you may feel about it.
It will react the same whether you are calm or angry, so getting angry
only hurts yourself. You have to get used to that, and learn that the
problem is yours to solve.
You have the instructions for compiling wvdial in the readme. If you
follow them, and they fail at some point, note that point down, and
form a set of hypotheses as to why it may come to pass ...
In your case, you get your shell saying "make: command not found", which
indicates that either make is not installed, or it's not in your PATH
(unlikely, as it will be in /usr/bin, which is in your default PATH).
So you should suppose that it is not installed. To confirm your
hypothesis, do "locate bin/make" or "find / -name make" , or click on
whatever find icon your distro has provided you with in your choice of
desktop.
When you find that it's not there, you should go about locating it to
install it. Look on your cdrom for a package called make*. Install it.
Check out www.linuxnewbies.org. They have many helpful pages there that
will get you through the worst of the learning curve.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3rd Day Same Modem and Same story......
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:54:44 +0100
Tina Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter.... You are very strange person...... I said here in my limited damn
> english, somwhere I don't have "MAKE" file...
So get it, install it, use it.
Problem?
Peter
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From: Eros Albertazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: sound card (es1371) and xmms and studio
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:23:57 +0100
I just installed a sound card on a RH6.2 ... kernel config is ok...
but xmms can play only when launched as root, not as regular user...
Device permission seems ok, although cat /dev/sndstat, as suggested in
the sound-FAQ for testing, says no such device.. and the same does
studio :Error in startup script: cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device
What am I missing? Thanks.
--
Eros Albertazzi
CNR-LAMEL, Via P.Gobetti 101, 40129 Bologna, Italy
Tel: (+39)-051-639 9179
Fax: (+39)-051-639 9216
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Joerg Klinkhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ELSA GLADIAC MX with ELSA GLADIAC Video Module
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:46:19 +0100
i'm running suse 7.0 with an ELSA GLADIAC MX
graphics card. does anybody know if the ELSA GLADIAC Video Module
which can be plugged onto the graphics board will run under
linux?
thanks for any hints
--
Joerg Klinkhammer
PGP 0x705AC1C8
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From: Udo Wolter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Scanning SCSI hardware after startup
Date: 22 Jan 2001 13:35:47 GMT
max <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to know how to rescan the SCSI controller for new hardware. I
> have a PCI SCSI adapter with 2 devices attached to it: a CDRW
> (internal) and a tape drive (external).
> The tape device is an older Python DAT drive, which has it's own power
> supply & cooler, so it generates a lot of heat and makes a lot of noise.
> Since I don't use it that much, I mostly have it switched off. When the
> device is 'down', the SCSI controller doesn't see it at boot time of
> course and the system just sees the internal SCS This means that when I
> want to use it the only way to get it 'known' in my Linux (RH7.0) is to
> reboot the machine. I can understand the reboot if it was a
> Windows-system, but surely there's a Linux command somewhere which will
> rescan the bus at 'controller-level'...
At first I must say that it's not recommended for SCSI-systems if a device
will be powered on or off. Except the bus is hot pluggable (only newer
RAID controllers support this). Anyway, nevertheless it's possible.
The problem is that there is no rescan-command. But if you compile your
SCSI driver as module you can remove this module and insmod (or modprobe)
it again so it can find the newly attached (powered on) device.
This method has one problem: if you have SCSI disks it won't work because
you can't remove the driver...
But in your case it should be possible.
Bye,
Udo
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
system engineer innominate AG
the linux architects
tel: +49-30-308806-84 fax: -698 http://www.innominate.com
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From: Udo Wolter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MPEG-2 decoder
Date: 22 Jan 2001 13:40:06 GMT
Jarl Friis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anybody have a suggestion, experience with a good, supported MPEG-2
> decoder card.
I think, those with the hollywood chip are supported, but:
Do you really need it ?
I'm using a PIII 600 and with XFree 4.0.2 I have perfect MPEG2 decoding
in fullscreen (with the XV extension). I'd suggest you save your money.
The only thing you need is a "good" graphic card. And everything with
Nvidia TNT I/II should do it (and they are cheap now). There's
absolutely no need for a big card like Geforce or a MPEG2 decoding card.
Bye,
Udo
P.S.: I'd prefer a MPEG2 encoding card with analog & digital input.
With this piece of hardware I'd get rid of my win98 partition...
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
system engineer innominate AG
the linux architects
tel: +49-30-308806-84 fax: -698 http://www.innominate.com
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From: "JP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on Sequent S2000
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:07:35 -0000
jwk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Does it have a floppy drive? Then you could try a boot-disk and see what
> hardware is recognized.
I could possibly get one on but may not be able to boot from floppy on that
hardware. Could be worth a try though...
Does the linux kernel see VME devices??
JP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To all linux user......
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:02:03 GMT
In article <KRUa6.11498$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Tina Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Once again you have come up with another idiotic fraudulent argument.
My
> English is just fine, It's my spelling, I'm from Finland. But now I
live in
> Canada, I can speak in Russian, Finns, French. and little bit English.
And I
> am not a child, I'm 16, going to 17. I maybe a girl but I can beat
the hell
> out you....
>
> You know, you live in most strange bizarre place or it's just
something in
> you picking up someone weakness, you say my English is bad, but what
about
> you huh? You read less and "talk" which eventually become "barking'
now don'
> t get offensive.
>
> I stated I CAN'T USE MAKE. I extract folder, Now I know I don't have
make
> command and I just downloaded.
>
> Maybe you need to educated yourself and learn HOW TO READ AND THEN
RESPOND,
> otherwise people will think you are an educated ignorant.
Hi!
If you feel like becoming Linux user, you must learn, not to post
elementary questions and expect that everyone will come running to help.
Few advices:
1. Get some decent book about linux/unix. www.ora.com (books from
O'Reilly) is an excellent start. Something like "Linux in a Nutshell"
is what you need (I think) to learn at least basic things, such as
package installation and usage of make.
2. For specific tasks check out HOWTO's, which are an excellent source
of information on how to perform specific tasks in linux. If you can't
find them in your distribution, they are on the net at
http://howto.tucows.com.
3. Look for the information on the web. www.linuxnewbie.org seem to have
a nice set of newbie-oriented texts.
You might also consider changing your attitude a little bit. Usenet is
a free self-regulated community and usually people are very helpful.
Note, however, that people DON'T HAVE to answer your questions if they
don't feel like it. Finding a right newsgroup and being nice usually
does the trick.
Hope it helps,
J.
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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Subject: Re: Can anyone pleaseeeeee help me....
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Jan 2001 09:17:02 -0500
"Tina Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Another fraudulent argument and another posting for no reason. You never
> answer question but try to fold "weakness" and hope other will concentrate
> on that factor.
nice self portrait.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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From: Sinner from the Prairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MVP3 IRQ hell
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:22:08 +0000
Hi,
I have an MVP3-based MoBo (EPOX MVP3-G2) and have no problems. I have
some cards attached and there's no conflicts at all.
I have attached: 2 PCI network cards, a PCI Banshee video card, a PCI
sound card, with mic, an HDD, a CD-ROM, a CD-RW, a PS/2 KB & mouse, USB
ports, PP, 2 SP, ... and an IDE device that gets swap aroud from LS-120
"SuperDisk" to SparQ 1GB backup unit.
If only my CD-ROM would work.... But this is a problem of a "vintage"
CD-ROM, that wants to retire and enjoy Florida's sun...
Salut,
Sinner
--
http://www.geocities.com/sinner_prairy
[MaDuiXa PoWeR] http://www.maduixa.net
__________________
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=====Sinner==== >=--[]>- a Mach 2.5!! Running on Mandrake 7.2
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Subject: Re: To Linux Nazi
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth R�rvik)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:47:22 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tina Carter) wrote in
<adVa6.11501$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Please don't massacre truth for your hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy has little to do with more or less unprovoked
(0Oya6.10826$[EMAIL PROTECTED]) flamewars. I'd still
like to refer you to that cold shower.....
Now, let's get back to discussing Linux/hardware :o)
Regards, Kenneth.
--
Kenneth R�rvik 91841353/22950312
Nordbergv. 60 A [EMAIL PROTECTED]
0875 OSLO home.no.net/stasis
NORWAY
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux reboots suddenly
Date: 22 Jan 2001 23:43:00 +0900
>>>>> "L-X-Q" == L-X-Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
L-X-Q> Hi, I've used Linux for 6 months. I am using RH 7.0. At
L-X-Q> first it runs fine. And then since last week, sometimes it
L-X-Q> reboots by itself without any reason (about 1 time per 3
L-X-Q> hours). It reboots without shutting the services. It is
L-X-Q> just like someone press the reset button suddenly. What is
L-X-Q> the problem? I use AMD-K6 500 MHz, with 256 MB of RAM. Is
L-X-Q> it hardware of software problem? Please help me. Thank you
L-X-Q> very much.
well, what did you change? i'm also curious about this, because i've
been having this problem for the past 3 days or so. it's a little
difficult to track down, since the logs don't show anything. i'm
running 2.4.0. obviously, that's a fairly recent change. the kernel
docs recommend recompiling the kernel with apm off (or on if if it's
off already) if you're getting mysterious reboots. we'll see.
ciao,
g.m.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course, you UNDERSTAND about the PLAIDS in the SPIN CYCLE --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: sound card (es1371) and xmms and studio
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:55:54 GMT
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:23:57 +0100, Eros Albertazzi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just installed a sound card on a RH6.2 ... kernel config is ok...
>but xmms can play only when launched as root, not as regular user...
>Device permission seems ok, although cat /dev/sndstat, as suggested in
>the sound-FAQ for testing, says no such device.. and the same does
>studio :Error in startup script: cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device
>
>What am I missing? Thanks.
Don't know what's missing.
However, don't count on /dev/sndstat; some drivers (such as the es1371
driver) don't implement it.
Lew Pitcher
Information Technology Consultant
Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: Sinner from the Prairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To all linux user......
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:06:03 +0000
Hi Tine,
Most respectfully,
I will try to give you some hints on why you were not answered in a way
that you thought it should had been.
Tina Carter wrote:
> If I say Linux is most ugly thing every happen, It will hurt you right? Now
> Imagine yourself someone from Ms Windows side when you hate us same way you
> will GET SAME RESPOND.
Well, I won't hurt. I will drop your question and go ahead to the next
one. I will just skip you. I have no time to get into flamewars of any
sort.
> I am come here to get some help in Simple words which I can understand. But
> you know there are people who laugh at windows over and over at some people
> you linux terrorist need to get something back.
... and the opposite is also true. Some people just shows up in Linux
newsgroups just to start dumb-ass flamewars of the kind: "My MS OS is
bigger than yours"...
Usually they start with a question that is answered in **every**
available Linux-for-Newbies , in every Linux-help site, and that it has
been answered up to the wazoo in all and every Linux newsgroup... and
that can be serached at any time at http://www.deja.com . Try this URL
It's wonderful.
> I would like to think of myself as computer student, YOU DONT' INSULT ME AND
> MY FAVOIRTE OS and I won't insult you and your favorite stuff. Point of my
> posting is some of your are extremist no matter how many time you post you
> gotta insult us. But I am not one of those MS Windows user who will just be
> quite and read and listen to your garbage, I will retaliate.
Well, happens that your favourite OS has make us, computer workers,
loose a big amount of time and money. I won't talk here about the
"Millenium Bug", a nearly Microsoft-only problem. And all those works
gone down the drain when a Blues Screen decides to show up by a faulty
memory management system.
If you like Windows so much, well, use it. Linux is an option. It's not
mandatory as Microsoft, that comes with every computer that you buy .
Well, now you can find some places with Computers without Windows, but
is rather rare.
On the other hand, any kind of real student wants to learn, trys to
gather information and, if there's a problem unable to be solved with
the available documentation, then it asks to someone. In a polite, not
demanding way. You just don't go to a teacher and say "I do not know who
invented the telephone. I do not want to use an enciclopedya. You,
teacher, you, MORON, answer my question or I will retaliate".
Don't you see? It's a bad and terrible approach.
I've read that you speak 4 languages. Great! Good for you! I speak 3 and
I can read 4 more. I thought that the knowledge of languages implied a
broader state of mind, a bigger capacity of understanding and a
willingness to learn. I must be wrong :(
Whay can't you be polite?
You talk about extremists. Who is an extremist? Someone that, afer
asking the question N. 1 in the ranking of "Top asked questions ever",
gots offended and accuse newsgrups voluntaries of terrorists? That calls
our advices garbage? that says "I willr etaliate"? Who are you?
Comander-In-Chieff of Nuclear Strategic Wepons Division? A Top-Ranking
CIA specialized in killing disidents and Linux users?
Please...!
> I wanna learn Linux peacefully so let's not get into each other way, if you
> can't help me don't respond but If you can I thank you but don't insult me
> and my Microsoft OS or your linux terrorism and racism will be answer and
> PURGED.
Then, do not say things as "I will retaliate" ... "...your garbage..."
".. I won't insult you (if you answer my pledge)..." "I don't know why
but I wanna fight with you" "Attention Harry or anyone... I don't have
this command......." "your linux terrorism and racism"
Newsgroups is not like real life. Newsgroups is not about democracy.
Newsgroups is a electronic board where you place your questions, in a
polite way (did you ever heard about "Netiquette"?), and hope that
someone will use his/her time to answer you. There's not a single place
that it guarantees that you'll have an answer. If you get silly and
stupid answers, well, you just throw them away. And if you get no
answer, well, there's some possibilities:
1.- you did not provide enough information
2.- no one that read your post knew what the answer was
3.- your question it was so obvious and regularly answered that nobody
bothered to answer it
4.- Linux gave you the answer but yu wouldn't listen ("Linux it says
bash command not found"), so they though that you can read and that
you'll solve it by yourself.
5.- You used all capital letters (as in "HOW DO I INSTALLED
WVDIAL???????"), and capital letters means YELLING in the newsgroups.
6.- You were not polite at all
Don't you see your pattern here?
On Netiquette (in several languages):
http://edu.kuusamo.fi/~jouni/netikett/
http://brookebroadbent.mondenet.com/crispbooks/netiquette.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.citeweb.net/aminaute/forums/netiquette.html+Netiquette+newsgroups
http://www.iusb.edu/~cslabs/how-tos/newsgroups_netiquette.htm
http://www.boku.ac.at/news/newsd2.html
http://usuarios.bitmailer.com/miguelc/news/NewsFAQ.txt
http://www.icmsc.sc.usp.br/manuals/BigDummy/netiqueta.html
http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/net/
> Thank you
> Respectfully
> Tina
At last! Two complete sentences without menaces, bad words and yelling!
Salut,
Sinner
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