Linux-Hardware Digest #887, Volume #14 Sun, 10 Jun 01 11:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: HOT!! 16 different versions of linux CD download ("Paulio1025")
Two Monitors, okay but ... ("Pierric Descamps")
Need Help With Getting ESS Sound Card To Work (Aaron Mills)
Re: SCSI definitions? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: What is a good PC configuration for linux? (Paul Davis)
Re: ServerWorks III LE Chipset under linux (Rico Tudor)
Re: New Server: Hardware under Linux (Robert Davies)
aec 6710d scsi with acer 620s scanner, can it be used under linux?? ("jontee")
Re: Won't read music CD, will read data cd? (Kevin Krammer)
Re: Two tulip ethernet cards in a single RH 6.2 machine? (Richard Cobbe)
Re: Need Help With Getting ESS Sound Card To Work (Kwan Lowe)
Re: xcdroast exits when I execute write cd (Tom Brinkman)
[Fwd: cdrecord: finally works] (paul)
Re: Hardware Q (Steve Lockett)
Re: Intel 21145 ethernet on Gateway Profile2 (Greg T Hill)
Re: HOT!! 16 different versions of linux CD download ("LiveOnline")
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From: "Paulio1025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: HOT!! 16 different versions of linux CD download
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:24:06 GMT
Are the disributions in Japanese too?
--
Paul Rovero
"If the art looks crappy, it's really just abstract"
-Me
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> check this out
> http://www.geocities.com/d64332
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>
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From: "Pierric Descamps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Two Monitors, okay but ...
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:28:01 +0200
.. do you know if it possible to adapt it to other window managers, in
particular Enlightenment ?
Are there also other cards that are supported, maybe cheaper ones?
I might buy a new monitor soon, but if I could keep my 15'', which is
still quite good, and use it as a second desktop, it would be great. Even
better, I'd like to enable me to see 2 screens of my desktop (2x2) at the
same time.
Thanks,
Pierric.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Mills)
Subject: Need Help With Getting ESS Sound Card To Work
Date: 10 Jun 2001 02:25:20 -0700
How do you get an ESS 1869 Plug and Play AudioDrive(WDM) sound card to work in Linux?
I tried a program called sndconfig but it gives me I/O
failure problem and sometimes hangs.
My setting under Windows are:
DMA 1
DMA 0
IRQ 5
I/0 220 - 022F
I/0 0388 - 038B
I/O 0330 - 0331
Any help would be greatful.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCSI definitions?
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:09:43 GMT
Juergen Pfann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>>
>> Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Can someone give me a brief refresher course in SCSI. I have a machine
>> > with a Symbios ultra wide SCSI adapter and two SCSI disks. I would
>>
>> If it's wide and scsi2, then it's pretty well "standard". But you
>> need to check that it's not one of the new scsi3 LVD devices
>> (all scsi devices are supposedly backwards compatible, but I don't
>> see how LVD devices can be compatible with non-LVD, as the signals
>> are electrically different).
> Nope. Of course the signalling _is_ different, but all LVD hard disks
> I've seen so far work fine if attached to a SE bus. The IBM models
Then one or both of the controller or the disk must detect the problem
and switch modes. I'm not sure I'd bet on what happens if one mixes
drives. Thanks for the info, BTW.
> do have jumpers to actually _force_ SE signalling, but in most cases
> you don't even have to activate these, as the drive's interface
> automatically detects if it is in a SE or LVD bus.
Yes.
> But there is one caveat left : LVD disks on a SE bus usually can't
> be the last device of the bus - i.e. the one to terminate -,
> because most if not all don't have a termination jumper. So you
This is true - most shops don't know that. I didn't know it because
the disks I had had a "termination" jumper on them all the same! Make
sure you get a terminator with your adapter.
> gotta hook a SE device proper to the physical end of your cable,
> or use an extra (active) terminator at the cable's end - what you'd
> do in a LVD bus anyway...
>> > like to either replace one of them or add a third disk. SCSI
>> > disks come SCSI, SCSI2, and SCSI3 and with 80 pin and 68 pin
>> > connectors. I'm think I need one with a 68 pin connector because
>>
>> You don't.
I meant that of course he can step down to narrow scsi if he manages to
terminate the other one of the channels. And he can convert the 80pin
sca devices any which way.
>> > that is what I on the external port, but I'm a bit confused about
>> > the rest.
>>
>> It's the internal bus that you probably want to look at. Get a disk
>> that fits on that. It sounds like you want scsi2 ultrawide (i.e. ultra
>> speed, and wide = 2 channels wide). Those are indeed 68pin, if I count
>> right.
> "2 channels wide", that term is a bit confusing IMO. I guess you mean
> 16=2x8 bit parallel, whereas we usually say "dual channel" for host
Yes, I meant that. I was going to say "2 busses wide", but I thought
that would be even more confusing.
> adapters with two separate SCSI busses on one board.
Well, the wide thing really is two 8bit busses, side by side.
> But of course, the internal connectors for SE Ultra-Wide or LVD
> are 68-pin "very high density" nowadays.
> Again, IMHO, nowadays it's easier to get LVD hard disks than SE UW
> with the proper 68p. interface connector - as I said before, that's
> usually no problem to attach these to SE. But I'd avoid the 80p.
> "SCA" connectors - these are more expensive _plus_ require an
> additional adapter; so not worth it IMO.
The adapter can be a pain sizewise also.
If the LVD disks are the most common nowadays, he should get those,
with 68pin connectors, and hope everything else works out OK.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Davis)
Subject: Re: What is a good PC configuration for linux?
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:18:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you Michael Perry for posting your interesting
account of how you optimised your Athlon setup for Linux.
I'm glad your efforts were rewarded.
I fear that in my case, Howard Cristeller's remarks may
be more pertinent, and that I may not have bought the
ideal computer for the sort of work I am trying to do.
The original poster, Gaj, wanted advice on what computer
to purchase. Recently I discovered the linuxhardware.org
website, where there are some useful reviews. In
particular, Gaj may wish to read the VIA KT133A Athlon
Motherboard Roundup. It appears that different
motherboards built with the same chipsets can give widely
different performance under Linux, and the comments
attributed to Alan Cox seem to suggest that choosing a
good Athlon system can be fraught with peril.
-Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rico Tudor)
Subject: Re: ServerWorks III LE Chipset under linux
Date: 10 Jun 2001 10:20:39 GMT
I also have no experience with ServerWorks LE, but do operate 5 HE
machines (Tyan Thunder 2500). Linux 2.2 boots, but 2.4 is desirable.
If you want AGP, you must use the HE or HE-SL chipsets. In all cases,
budget for registered ECC PC133 SDRAM; you will enjoy impressive memory
bandwidth and low latency.
All the chipsets allow high I/O traffic. My board has AGP, and six
64-bit PCI slots, two of them 66 MHz. I don't know if Linux supports
PCI DMA with 64-bit addressing (not an issue with 4GB or less of
memory). I expect the benefits of the 64-bit datapath are transparent
to the OS, but haven't tested yet.
Bad news:
* Linux cannot correctly route USB interrupts, at least on
my board. Prepare to boot with "noapic" kernel param, or hack
the driver for the USB controller.
* No Linux support for UDMA on IDE interface means a limit of
12 MB/s. I use 3ware IDE RAID, Promise controllers, and
onboard SCSI in various combinations.
* Linux 64GB memory option has bugs, so 4GB is the limit.
* Chipset runs hot. Two chips have heatsinks, so attention to
case ventilation is needed.
Conclusion: not for the neophyte. Otherwise, a big thumbs up.
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From: Robert Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Server: Hardware under Linux
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:02:42 +0100
Juergen Sauer wrote:
> We stay away from Adaptec Hardware. Adaptec does not support Linux
> directly very well. Waranty is badly given. (as we know and tried in
> Germany).
>
> That's why we prefer ICP-vortex Raid controllers,
> because they give complete support and waranty for Linux. For trouble
> shooting the ICP Support phones back within a few minutes.
I have to second this ICP vortex are great cards. His hardware is
definitely adequete, but what is he serving?
With only 2 18GB disks, I'd consider giving SCSI a miss all together, and
using fast IDE disks, very good experience using the fast IBM ones in web
servers.
For the money saved, you could buy 512MB RAM and something like a Promise
ATA-100 card with 2 extra disks.
RAID 10 gives better performance, than RAID 1, an advantage of software
RAID is it's easier to mix and match depending on what integrity
requirements you have.
The second thing is, Debian. It's a great distro, but if you're asking the
questions about the server, because you're new to Linux, you'ld be much
better off with SuSE 7.2, or RH 7.1. They're much easier to configure, and
you get (with SuSE) solid ReiserFS and LVM support. Debian potato is
rather dated now.
Rob
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From: "jontee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: aec 6710d scsi with acer 620s scanner, can it be used under linux??
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:21:25 +1000
I have the abovementioned hardware in a dual celeron
machine ( home assembled) the scanner works with win but the card is a
windows only affair according to acer
i can't afford to replace the scanner but it's the only thing that i can't
get to work under linux, I have Vmware so I can use those few win only apps
that I need for Uni but without direct linux support of the scsi and scanner
I have to reboot to windows
any ideas I did see a post somewhere that someone had gotten a similar setup
working but it was vague( like me most of the time, but two vagues do not
make clarity)
thank s for any help
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From: Kevin Krammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Won't read music CD, will read data cd?
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 15:03:36 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm having a problem in Linux, happens with Mandrake or Red Hat, the
> cdrom icon on the desktop allows me to mount normal data cdroms but
> won't mount or read normal music CDs.
> Has anyone else had this problem and can they please help me.
you can only mount filesystems and an audio CD doesn't have a file
system.
Bye,
Kevin
--
Kevin Krammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Student at Graz University of Technology
http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/v/voyager
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Subject: Re: Two tulip ethernet cards in a single RH 6.2 machine?
From: Richard Cobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 10 Jun 2001 08:20:51 -0500
Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Richard Cobbe wrote:
>
> > Greetings, all.
> >
> > I'm trying to set up a DSL gateway/firewall running a stock RH 6.2 (with
> > updates; kernel 2.2.18), and I'm having some difficulties getting both
> > ethernet cards working.
> >
<SNIP>
> The LinkSys card is just fine. However, the new 4.1 version of this
> card (which you probably have) requires a driver which is not part of the
> 2.2 kernel. You need to download it from
> www.scyld.com/network/updates.html and install it. It's not hard to do,
> but LinkSys forgot to mention that this card needed a driver which they
> didn't include in the box or the standard 2.2 kernel (even though the box
> said "Linux compatible").
I'm happy to report that the updated drivers, plus the modules.conf lines
mentioned upthread (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) solved the problem. I've now got
full network connectivity with both cards.
Thanks very much for your help!
Richard
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From: Kwan Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need Help With Getting ESS Sound Card To Work
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:25:51 GMT
Aaron Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do you get an ESS 1869 Plug and Play AudioDrive(WDM) sound card to work in Linux?
> I tried a program called sndconfig but it gives me I/O
> failure problem and sometimes hangs.
Which module does it detect? I'm using the following:
/etc/modules.conf contains:
alias sound-slot-0 sb
dmesg shows:
Soundblaster audio driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen 1993-1996
sb: ESS ES1869 Plug and Play AudioDrive detected
sb: ISAPnP reports 'ESS ES1869 Plug and Play AudioDrive' at i/o 0x220, irq 5,
dma 1, 3
SB 3.01 detected OK (220)
ESS chip ES1869 detected
<ESS ES1869 AudioDrive (rev 11) (3.01)> at 0x220 irq 5 dma 1,3
sb: 1 Soundblaster PnP card(s) found.
Try loading the modules manually with modprobe to get an idea of where it's
failing. Disable plug and pray.
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From: Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xcdroast exits when I execute write cd
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:08:55 GMT
sleepy wrote:
> With mandrake 8.0 and a plextor cdrw (ide) everytime I select the
> write cd
> button the program just exits inexplicably. No lockups or errors, it
> just
> quits. Anyone know about this.
>
> sleepy
http://www.mandrakeforum.org/article.php?sid=941&lang=en
There's an article and a workaround.
tom
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From: paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: [Fwd: cdrecord: finally works]
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:25:25 +0200
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Hi all,
Thanks to the recommendations of David I was able to get the thing going.
In fact it was very close to the CD-writing howto. Only I choose overthere
the wrong one of 2 options:
You had overthere 2 options to load
insmod sg
insmod ide-scsi
In the howto was stated they could either be loaded via the rc.local or via
running kerneld or kmod and configuring them in /etc/modules.conf.
I took the last one. In stead I should have chosen the first one.
And guess what now it works, the first CD has been burned (that is
programmed luckily it did not go up in smoke).
Thanks to everybody who assisted. Now I have to continue with the other
devices being:
Mounting an NTFS partition.
Mounting a compact flash card reader.
Adding a flatbad scanner.
Trying to find a solution for lilo boot (now I am booting via a floppy
disk). Off course I did not install the
bootsector beneath the 1023th cylinder. And I really do not wanna redo the
installation.
Fixing the bios problem for 33.8 GBytes HD, I have a disk of 40 GBytes but
it was not recognized. To bypass this Award modular BIOS V4.51 problem the
disk has been reconfigured with an IBM tool to let
it say it is only 33.8 GBytes. Then an extra tool was supplied to setup the
disk as a 40 GByte disk (kind of
fdisk tool). However lilo saw a disk usage of 120% or so and when changing
the partitions with disk druid
I was not able to exceed the 33.8 GBytes.
Not the most easy things to do I guess.
Cheers,
Paul
paul wrote:
>
> Dear reader,
>
> I am trying to install a CD writer (HP 8100i) under Linux RedHat 7.0. So
> I started reading the CD writing howto.
{snip}
I'm on RH 7.0 too, and I'm assuming that you're using an ATAPI/IDE CDRW,
not a tru SCSI CDRW.
After I ran the scripts (as you indicated), I then did this:
lilo.conf:
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
prompt
timeout=50
message=/boot/message
linear
default=linux
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17-14
label=linux
read-only
root=/dev/hda8
append="hdc=ide-scsi"
Note: hdc == my CDRW device.
And my /etc/rc.d/rc.local script contains this:
# --------------------------------------------------------------
# Install ide-scsi modules for CDRW
#
insmod sg
insmod ide-scsi
After that, I'm styl'n.
Enjoy,
David
paul wrote:
> Daniel,
>
> Thanks for the pointer. However it did not succeed.
>
> I changed the lilo.conf to:
>
> boot = /dev/hda
> timeout = 50
> linear
> prompt
> message = /boot/message
> default = linux
> vga = normal
> read-only
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22
> label = linux
> root = /dev/hda6
> other = /dev/hda1
> label = dos
> append "hdd=ide-scsi"
>
> I changed the /etc/modules.conf to:
>
> alias eth0 tulip
> alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
> alias sound-slot-0 esssolo1
> alias usb-controller usb-ohci
> alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi
>
> Checking if the ide-scsi is loaded:
>
> [root@localhost /root]# /sbin/insmod -p ide-scsi
> Using /lib/modules/2.2.16-22/scsi/ide-scsi.o
>
> So no success in loading it it seems, otherwise I guess it will say it is
> available already.
>
> When executing dmesg I see a difference though for scsi:
>
> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.10
> hdd: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 1024kB Cache
> scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
> scsi : 1 host.
>
> This is a difference because before it it gave 0 hosts.
>
> Thanks to everybody for the help. Without help this is not doable for a
> novice.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
> Daniel Feenberg wrote:
>
> > I have posted an easy introduction to installing an IDE cd writer in a
> > recent Linux system and am looking for comments:
> >
> > http://www.nber.org/cdrecord.html
> >
> > Good luck.
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From: Steve Lockett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hardware Q
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:19:28 +0800
Hi !
I have the same sound card.
I can't get it to run when I start linux from a power up, but if I restart
the PC into Win98SE, then restart PC back into Mandrake 7.2, the sound card
works !
My install of Mandrake detects the card type as ES1371.
I try to follow the ALSA mini-HOW TO regarding testing with amixer, and I
get the message "ALSA driver not loaded"
If you go to www.linuxdocs.org and download the ALSA mini-HOW TO, you may
be able to make more sense of it than I can !
If I find out the proper fix, I'll let you know.
I'm sorry I can't help you with the modem.
Regards
zaphod38
Mohamed Hosny Mohamed wrote:
> hello linux users,
> actullay i just bignning to use linux and the copy that i have is
> mandrake7. it was easy to install and to use it with windows but the
> problem that i have is -- it doesn't recognized 2 card of mine
> the modem card "Rockwell 33.600 internal"--- Sound Card "Creatice Vibra
> 128"......so what can i do for it? and from where can i get the driever
> for them?
> Thanks for advance
> mohhosny
>
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From: Greg T Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Intel 21145 ethernet on Gateway Profile2
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:33:20 -0400
No luck there either, get io error on loading module. I tied using
io=(value from cat /proc/pci) but same result. May have to spring for
another usb ethernet adapter.......
Greg T Hill
--
Today is Sweetmorn, the 15th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3167
lobotomy wrote:
> Right now, even normal ethernet tulip cards don't work quite right with
> the tulip driver in 2.4.5. However my card (a 21143) did work with
> 2.4.3. You might also try the de4x5 driver, that also supports all of
> the dec/intel pci chipsets.
>
> In article <3W8U6.32705$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Greg T Hill"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had any success getting this network card to work? I have
>> tried tulip driver from kernel 2.4.3 and 2.4.5, and the development
>> driver 1.1.7 from SourceForge, with no luck.
>>
>> dmesg :
>> tulip0: Index #3 - Media MII (#11) described by a <unknown> (7) block.
>> eth%d: Invalid media table selection 7. tulip0: ***WARNING***: No MII
>> transceiver found! eth0: Intel DS21145 Tulip rev 17 at 0xc48bec00,
>> 00:90:27:B3:F6:28, IRQ 15.
>>
>> I have tried loading the module with options=9 to force 10baseT and
>> options=9,0x200 for full duplex (I'm on a 10baseT LAN) but get same
>> result: can't ping or otherwise access the network.
>>
>> The card is not in the list of cards officially supported by this driver
>> but it is included in the source code, and I don't know of any other
>> alternative.
>>
>> Any help appreciated
>>
>> Greg T Hill
>> ----
>> Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 13rd day of Confusion in the YOLD 3167
>>
>
>
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From: "LiveOnline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: HOT!! 16 different versions of linux CD download
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:42:55 GMT
better to just go to
www.linuxiso.com
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> Are the disributions in Japanese too?
>
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> Paul Rovero
>
> "If the art looks crappy, it's really just abstract"
> -Me
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> > check this out
> > http://www.geocities.com/d64332
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
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