Linux-Hardware Digest #448, Volume #10 Wed, 9 Jun 99 11:13:35 EDT
Contents:
Promise Ultra 33 IDE Controller ("Troy Hellman")
multiple cdroms ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux on closed platforms? (Dave)
Re: Cd-rom Install Problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Scanners and SANE (Daniel Naughton)
Re: Graphic Card : ATI Expert 98 (Charles E Taylor IV)
Re: CPU speed/Bogomips (Skaya)
Re: SuSE 6.0 Installation problems (M. Buchenrieder)
Xeon processor (Jes Broeng)
Re: Matrox Millenium G200 ("LHD Administrator")
help for lexmark 2050 printer (Antonio Disaro')
Audio 64 PCI /SUSE 6.1 ("David Boyd")
Sparc: possible to install linux from tape ? (Frank Mattes)
Re: SB AWW 64 Value PnP (ISA) Problems (Edmondo)
Atapi cdrw (TurboTex)
Re: Mainbd. dosen't like scsi-controller? ("LHD Administrator")
Re: How to set up a Creative Modem Blaster v.90? ("LHD Administrator")
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From: "Troy Hellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Promise Ultra 33 IDE Controller
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:57:10 -0400
Is the promise Ultra33 IDE Controller supported under linux?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: multiple cdroms
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:36:50 GMT
can some one please tell me how to get all my
cdroms working under linux? i have two atapi
cdroms (one is a cdrw) and one scsi. when
installing redhat 6.0 the cdrw (i guess because
it's the master on the ide) was set up but i
havent been able to figure out how to get the
other two up. they all have worked seperatly under
linux redhat 5.1 and 5.2 but this is the first
time i tried to put all three on the same machine.
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux on closed platforms?
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 07:10:41 -0500
Linus Torvalds wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I work for a company that develops proprietary systems in a highly
> >competitive industry. Our systems contain intellectual property either
> >developed by us or licensed from others. In addition, much of this
> >intellectual property is under strict export control. In summary, our
> >systems are not likely to become open anytime in the near future.
> >
> >We have used numerous commercial operating systems (some more
> >$commercial$ than others). I would like nothing better than to use
> >Linux in the next product, but I'm having trouble reconciling the terms
> >of the GPL with my company's interests.
>
> The GPL per se does _not_ forbid that the program be used in a closed
> environment. The use of a GPL'd program is free: obviously if the
> environment is closed, then people have a much harder time to actually
> make changes in their system, but that's not actually prohibited.
>
> The trivial example of this is to make the binary available on a ROM
> in a closed environment rather than in a more "normal" format. The only
> thing that the GPL requires is that the sources be available - the fact
> that it can then be extremely costly and hard to actually exchange the
> binary is not really something that the GPL cares about.
>
> (So for example, the ROM would need special tools to be burned, and
> there might be other unrelated bootup code in the system like a BIOS
> that are packaged in the same ROM that means that you're going to have a
> hard time to re-create the ROM even if you physically could).
>
> >Please understand that my interest is not to exploit the free software
> >community but to support it as best I can by promoting it through my
> >company's products. We are in the business of selling systems, not
> >software applications, and the savings of moving to a free but
> >unsupported operating system is basically a wash (personal opinions
> >aside).
> >
> >Is there a mechanism in place that allows the use of GPL software
> >(namely Linux) in such a system? I'm looking for a condoned approach,
> >not loopholes. I have nothing against delivering the source code for
> >the operating system, but practically all modifications, applications,
> >and drivers we create will be confidential for the reasons mentioned
> >above and cannot be included in the source distribution.
>
> THAT can be a problem. Applications are a non-issue, but any
> modifications done to Linux and any drivers would be implicated by the
> Linux GPL. It doesn't matter that other people might not be able to
> actually _use_ them without your closed hardware: the GPL source
> requirement still holds.
>
> Note that for most drivers, it's very easy to just create a module, and
> just avoid the copyright issue that way. It's not something I (or
> anybody else) really support, but in your case you wouldn't be able to
> rely on other peoples support anyway, so I guess you don't much care.
>
> For generic kernel changes, I don't really see any options. You'd have
> to make the changs available if you distribute the binaries.
>
> Linus
This I could work with. But how much of the GPL is subject to the authors'
interpretation? Understandably, the GPL requires that it be included without
alteration if it is to be used at all. The only provision I can find in the GPL
for consultation with the author stipulates that the derived software is also
free with possibly different distribution conditions (GPL Version 2, June 1991,
section 10), where freedom is explicitly defined in terms of distribution
conditions in the preamble. Hmm.
The point I'm trying to make is that there is a great deal of ambiguity
surrounding the GPL, which seems to be a slam dunk for simple applications but
quickly becomes a source of confusion when it comes to libraries and operating
systems, and especially (in my case) embedded operating systems. Eric Olson
struck a chord with his comments in the "GPL libraries and commercial software"
thread in the "comp.os.linux.advocacy" newsgroup:
====================================================
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> If my memory serves, the only issue is that the user using GPL
> libraries or source code would have to do the following:
> (1) provide source code on request for the GPL libraries,
> (2) release modified source code for the GPL libraries, if any
> modifications were done
> (3) note that GPL'ed code was used in part for the completed work in
> the copyrights notification.
> I hope it's no more onerous than that -- although from some of the
> statements I've seen lately in this newsgroup, it seems that
> some think the GPL could in fact envelop *the entire product*.
> Admittedly, that's a possibility; I would hope a remote one.
What you just described (1 - 3) is what I believe users of LGPL libraries
must do. Now if the library is GPL then I think you need to add:
(4) distribute the source code to your program!
The GPL is virus like and if you use GPL libraries your program is now
infected. How all encompassing this is I don't know. Are only the
functions that call the GPL library required to be open source? Or only
the .c file in question? Or the enitre code tree? Where is the line?
I don't know, so I follow the rule that I don't touch GPL'd code with
a ten foot pole.
erik olson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I see a lot of sense in this argument. Can it not be extended to operating
systems as well, in particular if the operating system not only is not "user
linked", but is included as an indivisible ("statically linked", so to speak)
part of the system? The GPL does not define linking in useful terms, nor does it
define any distiction between operating system, module, and application. What we
need is for someone to draw some clear lines here.
Greatly appreciated.
-Dave
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 21:49:56 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.help,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Cd-rom Install Problem
Dudley Brooke wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I am trying to install Redhat 6.0 on an old Gateway 486 DX2 66 with a Sony
> >CDu31a Cd drive. When I select the cdu31a driver it say it can't find the
> >drive anywhere. I tried all of the drivers. The Sony 5xx driver gives me a
> >box saying it is initializing the drive but then gives me an error. I tried
> >to use what the Redhat FAQ tells me to do, but it didn't work. My system
> >consists of two hard drives, the first partitioned into two. My cd drive
> >takes F: in dos and win95. Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Collin
>
> At the boot prompt try typing 'linux hdc=cdrom' , some CDs are pretty sloppy
> about reporting that they are CDs. I have assumed the CD is secondary master,
> if it is an older board, and you are running it from the sound card ide
> channel, then there is a workaround, but I can't remember, try the CDrom howto,
> it is pretty good.
>
> Dudley Brooke
I am new to Linux, and I am at the very beginning of trying to install Redhat 5.1
on a 33Mhz, 8 Meg RAM, i486 system. I am having a similar problem trying
to get the Redhat installation to recognize my Mitsumi CD-ROM.
The installation keeps asking what type of CD-ROM I have; SCSI or Other.
I respond with 'Other', and then go on to select the Mitsumi Device Driver.
Unfortunately, I am then asked to provide I/O Base Address information, in
the form.... mcd=<something>
I do currently have Windows95 on this particular system, which I am going to
complete over-write with Linux. My Win95 system tells me that the Base I/O
address of the CD-ROM is 0320-0323.
>From the documentation I read on the Redhat site, it looks like I am supposed
to respond mcd=io_port,IRQ during the Redhat installation.
I tried various combinations of mcd=0320,15 .... mcd=320,12 .... but nothing
seems to work.
Can anyone provide me with some suggestions ?
/Alan
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From: Daniel Naughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Scanners and SANE
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:31:28 +0000
I got the scanner working. It's up and running perfectly. Like most of
my linux trials, if I new what I was doing at first, it would have taken
about 5 minutes to get the scanner running.
The problem with recognizing the scanner was pilot error. The unax.conf
now looks like this:
scsi UMAX "Astra 1200S" Scanner scsi0 00 05 00
# scsi Vendor Model Type Bus Channel IL LUN
# scsi UMAX * Scanner * * * * *
#/dev/scanner
# scsi LinoHell Office
# scsi LinoHell Office2
# scsi LinoHell SAPHIR2
# scsi Nikon AX-210
/dev/sge
and the command to get it running (I found this command no where in any
of the documentation)
xscanimage umax
There was alot of extraneous information in the man pages that only
served to confuse me.
For those interested, SANE keeps a mail archive that was actually the
most helpful
http://www.mostang.com/sane/mail.html
Thanks for all the help
Dan Naughton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles E Taylor IV)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Graphic Card : ATI Expert 98
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:09:53 -0400
In article <u8mwLXhs#[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"James Kosin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have the ATI Expert 98 PCI version with 8MB. So far I can only get it to
> work in 640x480 16color...
Just use the Mach64 X server, and make sure you have the latest
XFree86 installed. I run my Xpert98 (PCI) at 1152x864x24-bit.
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From: Skaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CPU speed/Bogomips
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:22:06 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I recently replaced my old non-MMX MB, fitted with a 6x86 P150+, with a
> > later MMX board with a 200 meg IDT Winchip C6, expecting a small but useful
> > speed increase.
> >
> > The 6x86 P150+ gave me 124 Bogomips but the 200meg Winchip only gives 80 -
> > 2/3rds the speed of the 6x86 and only about three times what my 486DX2-66
> > runs at!
> >
> > Someone please tell me that I haven't wasted my time!
the fact that bogomips are bogus is heavily stressed everywhere (I think
there
is a README-bogomips somewhere explaining everything, somewhere on my
dist')
it means something to compare them only with EXACTLY IDENTICAL
processors. and
then, they are strictly proportionnal to raw clock speed. e.g, with 486
dx/2,
bogomips=cpu clock div 2. it's the same for dx/4. but it's different for
pentiums, k6 and so on.
bogomips are not an indication of processor speed - at most, they allow
to
deduce clock speed.
if you really want to see if you wasted money, play mp3 and watch the
cpu load,
or something like that.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: SuSE 6.0 Installation problems
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:21:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>My problem is this. I'm trying to install SuSE 6.0 on a 486 computer.
OK.
>The problem is that the cd rom is plugged on the sound card.
What kind of CDROM drive ? ATAPI or prorietary ?
What kind of soundcard ?
>When I try
>to install it said that the cd rom isn't mounted. Help me please how to
>avoid (skip) this problem.
[...]
Select the correct boot kernel and/or module for your specific
soundcard/CDROM drive mixture, using the menue of the SuSE
boot floppy .
If it doesn't work (for whatever reason), borrow an ATAPI CDROM
drive just for the installation.
Michael
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From: Jes Broeng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Xeon processor
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:34:30 +0200
I am just about to order a dual Pentium III 550MHz Xeon
512kb L2-cache system, with a Intel Marlin Spike motherboard.
-Does anyone have any experience with a similar system?
Any advice would be most appreciated?
Jes Broeng
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From: "LHD Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Matrox Millenium G200
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:54:33 -0400
Also, see what other G200 users have suggested at
<http://lhd.datapower.com/db/dispproduct.cgi?DISP?1> (click on "See what
others said..." to see individual ratings and workarounds).
Ibrahim Haddad wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I got a new system with a Matrox Millenium G200 16 MB video
>card. I have problems configuring it with the X Windows
>(red hat). It tells me that it can not figure out its
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From: Antonio Disaro' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help for lexmark 2050 printer
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:44:24 +0200
Hi all
Anybody have an idea on which driver could be suitable for a lexmark
2050 printer?
Antonio
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From: "David Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Audio 64 PCI /SUSE 6.1
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:59:05 +0100
I've just installed suse 6.1, and tried using the kernel sound drivers for
the sb audio 64 pci chip rather than the alsa driver. I load the module
using modprobe then the chip name es???1 (the later es chip), which produces
no error (no output in fact). It seems to work since I am then able to use
kmix. However I get no sound whatsoever, and cat /dev/sndstat gives an
error, and does not produce the results in the maual.
I guess I'm missing a step in the process to sucessfully use the driver, but
I can't tell what it is, the sound documentation in 6.1, although better
than 5.3, is still very very poor.
Thanks for any help
Please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and reply to newsgroups if possible
(appreciated).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Mattes)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Sparc: possible to install linux from tape ?
Date: 9 Jun 1999 14:12:13 GMT
Hi all,
I never had contact with linux, but thinking to install
linux on my sun sparc classic.
The machine has at the moment no access to the internet,
but I'm wondering if its possible to install either redhat or
debian from a dat tape.
Is it possible to write the tape with a other machine (hp-ux)
which than can be used to load linux (booting).
Frank
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From: Edmondo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SB AWW 64 Value PnP (ISA) Problems
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:24:40 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try to use the OSS sound driver. I have no problem with. It
runs fine!!
edmondo
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From: TurboTex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Atapi cdrw
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 21:41:55 -0500
Seems like the xcdroast docs say that a audio cd cannot be read from an
atapi cdrom using ide-scsi emulation.
Is this what I am reading and is this true?
It burns the heck out of Data Cds.
I have tried with cdparanoia and other tricks. amd then I read that it
doesn't work yet.
What if I left the cdrom as ide and just turned on the cdr as scsi
emu? But doesnt cdrecord need scsi on both ends, making the images and
burning the images.
Or could I run it as ide and just copy it to hd then work on it (make
images?)
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks ahead
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From: "LHD Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mainbd. dosen't like scsi-controller?
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:50:41 -0400
This is probably obvious, but have you tried pulling one card out, putting
it into an older motherboard, changing the IO/BIOS/IRQ settings (if that
card has those settings, I don't remember), and putting it back into the
Epox? Obviously, this is a conflict over BIOS/IO/IRQ between the two
cards...
ALso, sometimes it may be possible to change the IRQ automagically assigned
to the card by moving it to a different PCI bus (if you have four PCI slots,
the IRQ's will often be assigned in "groups" by the BIOS).
Goodluck.
LHD Linux Hardware Database http://lhd.datapower.com
Martin Lorenz wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>thats exactly part of the problem.
>i used to access the scsi-bios pressing ctrl-c with my
>old motherboard
>but the new one (epox ep-51mvp3e-m) does not offer
>this possibility.
>
>the scsi-controllers are both symbios
>in the meantime i flahed the mainboard and
>also tried to flash the cards but the
>flash-utility provided by symbios tells
>me that those crads are not flahable
>
> than to explore the unknown
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From: "LHD Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to set up a Creative Modem Blaster v.90?
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:05:42 -0400
Steven Buehler wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I am running Caldera OpenLinux Lite 1.1 and cannot get my Modem Blaster
>v.90 (DI5660) to function in Linux, even after using isapnp to configure
>it. It works flawlessly in Windows 98 (using COM4, IRQ3). I tried
>using the same settings in Linux and it refuses to read or write to the
>port.
This is a different modem (DI5601), but there is one workaround suggestion
in LHD.
The product record is at
<http://lhd.datapower.com/db/dispproduct.cgi?DISP?264> and the report/rating
is at <http://lhd.datapower.com/db/dispreport.cgi?DISP?40>.
If you ever figure out how to do this, and can afford to spend a few
minutes, it would be great if you could add the DI5660 to the database and
add a report/workaround for it.
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