Linux-Hardware Digest #345, Volume #13 Wed, 2 Aug 00 20:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Solved? (was: Asus P2B-D, dual PIII-650MHz, SMP not working right) (Tom B.)
Re: Why is Athon 650 slower than P-II/400? !!!SOLVED!!! (David C.)
Re: Coppermine SLOW PERFORMANCE... (EKK)
Re: slow PIII850MHz performance... ("Steve Wolfe")
Re: Keyboard problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Coppermine SLOW PERFORMANCE... (EKK)
Running a Cisco 605 DSL card in Linux ("mike parks")
Re: Ultra 66 Support (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: Ultra 66 Support ("bratgrrl")
Re: Ultra 66 Promise cards - Ultra66.txt (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: Coppermine SLOW PERFORMANCE... (Alvaro Palma Aste [EMAIL PROTECTED])
scsi hdd & ide cdrom ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Modem "Best 2400 L", winmodem or not? (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: cdrom, sound, modem (Alvaro Palma Aste [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: scsi hdd & ide cdrom ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: REQ printers (Svend Garnaes)
test ("Steve Riskus")
Re: SCSI-controller in Linux (Chris Pitzel)
Re: RGB video card for Wintel (B'ichela)
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From: Tom B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Solved? (was: Asus P2B-D, dual PIII-650MHz, SMP not working right)
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:28:49 -0700
Matt, Thanks for the reply. Please post your email if you are serious
about asking you. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Anyways, if there's someone having trouble with his P2B-D(S) under
> NT4 or
> Linux, you can try sending me some e-mail. I'll try to help.
> Can't help
> with Coppermine support, though; I haven't upgraded my CPUs yet.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why is Athon 650 slower than P-II/400? !!!SOLVED!!!
Date: 02 Aug 2000 17:48:42 -0400
James Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
>>> I still think the dual processor setup would be faster than a single
>>
>> Depends on what you're testing.
>
> The only thing I dare generalize on is that an SMP system can handle a
> heavy load from mupliple active processes better. For single-user
> systems, there's generally no point.
A few years ago, I'd say that.
Today, however, most people I know run multiple processes at once.
On my home system (dual PPro/200), I routinely have running:
- TiK (an instant-messenger client)
- Netscape (for web and mail)
- trn (for reading news)
- Emacs
- At least one shell window
- RealPlayer (if my web browsing takes me to a video clip)
- XFree86 (plus a window manager)
- A bunch of daemons (like sendmail)
Most of the time, the second processor probably doesn't contribute much,
but when one of them decides to start using a lot of CPU, having the
other one around keeps the system responsive.
-- David
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From: EKK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Coppermine SLOW PERFORMANCE...
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:22:33 -0700
Kent Perrier wrote:
>
> EKK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > OK,
> >
> > I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT DIDN'T GET AS MUCH RESPONSE
> > AS I THOUGH I WOULD.
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Now my ears hurt :)
>
> Kent
> --
> They were killing machines. I wanted to be them so bad.
>
> -- Jamie Zawinski
> http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/grave.html
What???
AG
--
Alessandro Giachino, Software Engineer
EKK Inc.
2065 West Maple C309 tel. 248-624-9957
Walled Lake MI 48390 fax. 248-624-7158
_____________________________________________
http://www.ekkinc.com
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From: "Steve Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: slow PIII850MHz performance...
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:52:12 -0600
> We recently bought a dual PIII machine with this motherboard
> and hard drive, CPU, etc.:
>
> TYAN TIGER 133 (VIA APOLLO PRO 133A) (Slot 1)
> (VT82C596B)
<snip>
> Now, this runs at 100Mhz, got PC100 memory.
> I run the same analysis code, compiled with g77,
> as a benchmark. I have two other machines:
If you're only going to run the FSB at 100 MHz, why in the world did you
buy an Apollo chipset? A BX board would have served you much better.
> The 650 is approx. 1.4 times faster than 450.
>
> BUT
>
> The 850 is approx. 1.1 times faster than 450.
>
> !!!!!!
You forgot to tell us what type of application you're running.
steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Keyboard problems
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:53:39 +0000
Melinda Taylor wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have just installed redhat 6.2 on an IBm thinkpad
> and for some reason the keyboard is operating like a UK
> keyboard instead of a US.
>
> If I run kbdconfig it is set to US and if I check the
> /etc/system/keyboard file it also says US in that file
> also! Any ideas where else the keyboard config is set?
> When I hit 'shift-3' I get the pound sign hence I know it
> is currently set to UK.
>
> ta :)
>
> melinda
I don't know how to re-configure RedHat.
But, this command should fix it:
loadkeys /usr/lib/kbd/keytables/us.map (enter)
--
David Pace - Free commodity/stock graphing software
and Linux links at http://www.daveware.com
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From: EKK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Coppermine SLOW PERFORMANCE...
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:40:30 -0700
Vincent Fox wrote:
>
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> EKK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Could be, depends on whether the app will fit in the 256K cache.
> >> Maybe you need a Xeon. Maybe you need a smarter compiler and/or
> >> some hand-optimization of your code. Not enough data from you.
>
> *snip*
>
> >The app. definitely won't fit on the entire cache.
> >The app. takes up about 205MB RAM. Right?
> >It is finite element analysis code, so a large matrix and lots
> >of integration-type FLOATING POINT operations being performed.
>
> Let me explain. Most programs spend a lot of time in a small
> amount of actual code. It doesn't matter how much data space
> in total you are talking about, most programs can use a 256kb
> or 512kb cache and run very well. You miss sometimes and then
> you do some cache loading. But overall, cache is a win.
>
> Ideally you would have cache = RAM. 2 problems though:
> 1) Too deuced expensive and complex to have giganto cache
> 2) Usually not neccessary. Let me give an example.
> I had some CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics) code that I ran on
> a Celeron 366 overclocked to 550. It ran about 8% faster on a
> Xeon 550 system but consider the cost diff this hardly seemed
> a worthwhile improvement.
>
> >>while cpu speeds have been growing by leaps and bounds, the rest of
> >>the system hasn't been growing nearly as fast. if you are ram bound
> >>and have pc100 sdram everywhere, you won't see any increase.
>
> >PC100 sdram is slowing EVERYTHING down??
> >I don't know about that. Similar systems (i.e. same mboard, memory,
> >hard drive) compare pretty linearly in performance increase, amongst
> >PIIs and 512KB-cache-PIIIs at least. So I have seen a linear increase
> >in performance when going from PPro200 to PII350 to PII450, but not
> >once I get into the PIIICoppermines.
>
> You misunderstand. We don't know what is going on with your systems.
> You don't give enough details about your hardware or your applications.
> Lacking that, many will tend to assume this a system configuration issue.
> It might be, it might not.
>
> In my experience a PIII 650 at 866 really is about twice as
> fast on for example a large Matlab run than my previous PII-450.
> Same results when making big runs of Fluent, a commercial CFD
> application. So I'd say the CPU can deliver in terms of running large
> matrix calculations using fat apps like Matlab. What is up with your
> particular situation no one can say without close scrutiny.
> The CPU would be my last suspect.
>
> --
> "Who needs horror movies when we have Microsoft"?
> -- Christine Comaford, PC Week, 27/9/95
OK. That was good.
Any suggestions as to how I could find out if my instruction
requirements
fit in the cache or not? Not too sure how it is distributed.
Overall though, I still expected better performance just from faster
speed.
AG
--
Alessandro Giachino, Software Engineer
EKK Inc.
2065 West Maple C309 tel. 248-624-9957
Walled Lake MI 48390 fax. 248-624-7158
_____________________________________________
http://www.ekkinc.com
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From: "mike parks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Running a Cisco 605 DSL card in Linux
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:25:05 -0500
Does anyone know of a HOWTO or have any information on how to configure a
Cisco 605 PCI DSL card in rfc1483 bridging or in PPP mode on a Linux box?
Mike Parks
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ultra 66 Support
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:41:12 GMT
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Niklas Krumm wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering what the current state of support for Ultra/66 is for linux?
> If I attach an ultra 66 HD to a motherboard that supports both U/66 and
> U/33, does linux recognize this setup as Ultra 33? This would be nice
> because then when kernal 2.4 comes out, (with U/66 support, hopefully) I can
> upgrade and use the hard drive at full speed. Thanks,
>
> Niklas Krumm
As stated in my reply posted less than 24 hours ago:
You need Kernel v.2.2.16 and the ide patch (ide.2.2.16.all.20000722.patch).
These are available from kernel.org
Note that the patch is at: .../pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/
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From: "bratgrrl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ultra 66 Support
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:59:09 -0700
Reply-To: "bratgrrl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Niklas,
As long as you don't try to use a separate controller, you should be
fine using your mb's built-in IDE controller. It will run at 33. The
problems with UDMA/66 come from using an add-on controller card.
As far as I know, support for U/66 is iffy and not worth the hassle.
"Niklas Krumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:N6_h5.2822$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering what the current state of support for Ultra/66 is for
linux?
> If I attach an ultra 66 HD to a motherboard that supports both U/66 and
> U/33, does linux recognize this setup as Ultra 33? This would be nice
> because then when kernal 2.4 comes out, (with U/66 support, hopefully) I
can
> upgrade and use the hard drive at full speed. Thanks,
>
> Niklas Krumm
>
>
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ultra 66 Promise cards - Ultra66.txt
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:52:07 GMT
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Andarius wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:42:29 GMT, Stephen Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >Does anyone know how to configure linux to work with promises'
> >Ultra 66 pci card?
> >I have downloaded drivers from the promise site, unfortunatly they
> >don't come with any hints!
> >Thanks
> >
> >- Stephen Greene
>
> Clipped from the site that helped me!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Name: Ultra66.txt
> Ultra66.txt Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
> Encoding: 7bit
>From my previous message:
I just finished installing a Promise Ultra66 card today. My
suggestions:
1. Read the Ultra-DMA HOW TO available on the web. The instructions
for the Ultra33 card about passing the paramaters to the kernel should
enable you to boot from the floppy and use the hard drive with the
Ultra66 card.
2. The issue is not the version of some distribution of Linux, but
the version of the Kernel. You need to upgrade the Kernel to v.2.2.16
and apply the patch 'ide .2.2.16.all.20000722' to the source before you
build it.
3. Then you may need to edit 'lilo.conf' by hand and run /sbin/lilo.
I found that my system would not boot. It just printed LI and
stopped., untill, I added the 'linear' global paramater.
Everything now works (ant it only took three days to figure it out!)
Note that the attachment is an excerpt from the Ultra-DMA HOWTO
Previous message had a typo -- it is Kernel v.2.2.16 that is needed. This is
available from kernel.org. The patch is somewhat burried at
.../pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/
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From: Alvaro Palma Aste [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Coppermine SLOW PERFORMANCE...
Date: 2 Aug 2000 22:43:24 GMT
En comp.os.linux.hardware EKK escribio:
Do you have the FPU activated in Kernel?
Are you using PC100? Is your Pentium running with FSB at 100Mhz? in
this case, probably you have a Pentium at only 490 Mhz (if your
Pentium is B (or E, I never can remember what is for Coopermine and
what for 133Mhz), the FSB MUST BE 133MHZ!!!
Hope this helps
Regards from Chile
>OK,
>I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT DIDN'T GET AS MUCH RESPONSE
>AS I THOUGH I WOULD.
>HAS ANYONE EXPERIENCED BELOW-EXPECTATIONS PERFORMANCE FROM
>COPPERMINE PENTIUM III CHIPS?
>MY NEW PIII850, PIII650 PERFORM ONLY MARGINALLY BETTER THAN
>MY OLD PII450.
>CACHE!!!!
>IS THIS OR IS THIS NOT AN ISSUE?
>SUPPOSEDLY THE NEW 256KB ON-DIE CACHE IS MORE EFFICIENT, BUT
>PERHAPS ONLY FOR MUNDANE WINDOWS TASKS. IF I AM RUNNING A
>MEMORY-INTENSIVE LARGE PROBLEM THAT IS MOSTLY FLOATING POINT
>OPERATIONS, AM I BETTER OFF WITH THE LARGER CACHE.
>IT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE WITH OTHER PROCESSORS, LIKE MIPS OR
>ALPHA. FOR EXAMPLE THE ALPHA 667MHZ (DP264) HAS A FAT 4MB
>CACHE AND IT IS TWICE AS FAST AS A PIII500(512KB CACHE).
>ALSO, THE MIPS PROCESSORS FREQUENCY IS BELOW PENTIUM FREQ.
>BUT THE LARGER CACHE USUALLY SEEMS TO MAKE UP IN OVERALL
>SPEED.
>NOW. I KNOW THE ALPHA IS THE FASTEST OUT THERE AND I AM
>VERY HAPPY WITH IT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT A PIII850 WOULD AT
>LEAST BE 1.5 TIMES FASTER THAN A PII450.
>WHAT IS GOING ON?????
>SHOULD I JUST RETURN THESE NEW PROCESSORS AND HUNT FOR AN
>EXTINCT PIII600MHZ WITH THE OLD-STYLE 512KB CACHE????????
>PERPLEXED,
>AG
>--
>P.S.: PLEASE ALSO REFER TO MESSAGE WITH HEADER:
>"slow PIII850MHz performance..."
>THANK YOU MUCH.
>Alessandro Giachino, Software Engineer
>EKK Inc.
>2065 West Maple C309 tel. 248-624-9957
>Walled Lake MI 48390 fax. 248-624-7158
>_____________________________________________
> http://www.ekkinc.com
--
Atte
�lvaro Palma Aste
Grupo de Ing Biom�dica
U. de Chile
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: scsi hdd & ide cdrom
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:55:44 GMT
Hello all,
I am trying to install SuSe 6.4 on a pc with a 500M scsi drive id 0,
and a 4G scsi drive id 1, and an IDE CDROM. The bios of the PC finds
the card ok and the card bios finds the drives ok. Both drives can
boot and see each other in DOS.
They are on a Advansys PCI SCSI card (Taiwan clone) id 7. When the ide
cdrom is used to boot, then the advansys module loaded via yast, the
card is identified but timesout on all ids.
If the pc is booted from floppy the system still times out on all ids.
If the IDE ports are disabled in bios, or the cdrom removed the system
will find the id0 drive but not id1 drive.
Different cdroms and hard drives have been tried, I don't have a spare
SCSI card.
Any ideas?
Billy
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem "Best 2400 L", winmodem or not?
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:13:10 GMT
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Andreas Berglund wrote:
> Hi!
> Does anyone know if "Best 2400 L" is a winmodem or not?
> If it is not, does anyone know of an on-line manual for such a beast?
>
> regards
> Andreas Berglund
> --
>
> .~.
> /V\
> // \\
> /( )\
> ^^-^^
In general, good sources of such information are:
www. linhardware.com
www.o2.net/~gromitck/winmodem.html
But, they didn't seem to have any information.
If this is a BEST BUY private label product, there is a high probablity
thait it is a Winmodem (tm) especially if you paid less than $50.00 for
it.
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From: Alvaro Palma Aste [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: cdrom, sound, modem
Date: 2 Aug 2000 22:59:27 GMT
Florian E.J. Fruth escribio:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>says...
>> I've installed Slackware 7.1, but have roughly 3 problems:
>>
>> 1) I am unable to mount my cdrom (during init, it indicates detection of my
>> cdrom and assigns it hdb (atapi 44x); hda1 = win98, hda2 = linux swap, hda3
>> = native); mount /mnt/cdrom indicates no cdrom device in the /etc/fstab
>> file -- is this a problem? Can you tell me specifically how to mount the
>> cdrom?
>[cut]
>try
>mount /dev/hdb /mnt/cdrom
or also
mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /mnt/cdrom (as root!!!)
>if this works u can add this device to your /etc/fstab file (look at the
>other entries...).
>the dir /mnt/cdrom must exist to mount it.
>fejf
>--
>the backup of my harddisk only takes the half time it
>did yesterday. i started to pipe it to /dev/null
--
Atte
�lvaro Palma Aste
Grupo de Ing Biom�dica
U. de Chile
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Subject: Re: scsi hdd & ide cdrom
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:30:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> They are on a Advansys PCI SCSI card (Taiwan clone) id 7. When the ide
> cdrom is used to boot, then the advansys module loaded via yast, the
> card is identified but timesout on all ids.
Have you got termination set properly? I've heard - though not
experienced - that improperly terminated devices will be detected by
the BIOS, which is less demanding, but not by the OS. Sometimes it
happens sporadically.
> If the pc is booted from floppy the system still times out on all ids.
> If the IDE ports are disabled in bios, or the cdrom removed the system
> will find the id0 drive but not id1 drive.
Is the SCSI card using the same IRQ as the IDE controllers are
expected to use?
--
Eric McCoy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
"scriptures, n. The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished
from the false and profane writings on which other faiths are based."
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From: Svend Garnaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: REQ printers
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:32:29 +0200
See
http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi
HTH
--
Svend
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From: "Steve Riskus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:33:25 -0400
test
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From: Chris Pitzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCSI-controller in Linux
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:45:44 GMT
> Which SCSI-card is the most stable in Linux? Can I use adaptec 29160 in
> Linux?
Never had a problem with the Symbios Logic/LSI 53c8xx series in any
distribution of Linux I have tried. Adaptec cards tend to be terribly
overpriced, and the drivers really aren't that great for them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: Re: RGB video card for Wintel
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:26:46 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:14:52 -0400, Lars Cedar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>We have an old unix RBG trinitron that works on sun and Mac boxes, but
>needs an rgb video card to work on an wintel platform. I called several
>mail order houses, and even their techies can not find one for me in
>their offerings.
Is this one of those "Sync On Green" monitors? if so you
might have luck at a used computer store for a "Sync on Green" video
card. I believe they are known as pga cards (Personal Graphics Color
Adaptor). if it has the option of supporting R,B,G,H,V a standard VGA
card will work ok. There are HD15 cables to 5 bnc plug available. You
will need to setup up Xfree86 for the proper sync rates (that info is
needed).
--
B'ichela
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